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jim1
03-15-2009, 11:19 PM
Just on WSVN local sofla TV, weekly Sunday segment ("Next Question")- WR and would be used in wildcat, great fit there. Also some RB possibly if I heard correctly. Still thinks they have to look hard at CB, says definitely at least a 2nd rd. pick spent there.

One question that I have- how well can Harvin throw the ball?

We'll see about the CB position, and I agree that Harvin will get a good, long look if available.

Zounds
03-15-2009, 11:35 PM
I am sure we will look hard at every player, including Harvin.

dominizzo
03-15-2009, 11:37 PM
Harvin doesnt impresss me

jim1
03-15-2009, 11:40 PM
I am sure we will look hard at every player, including Harvin.

Thank you for your input. The context of the story was Gators that the Fins will look at in the draft (Jason Watkins was mentioned) but Rosenhaus made it clear- in his opinion the Dolphins are very interested in Percy Harvin.

jim1
03-15-2009, 11:44 PM
Harvin doesnt impresss me

Look harder then. Look at what he did in the championship game with a very injured ankle, he wasn't runnning at nearly at full speed that game. Look at his production, even with everything focused on Tebow, running QB et al. Look at his strength, speed and quickness. He doesn't impress you? Please. If nothing else a guy who runs in the 4.3's and benches 405 should pique your interest.

CW_McGraw
03-16-2009, 12:03 AM
If Harvin falls past the first round I'd be OK with taking a chance on him, but I'm not high on a guy who comes from the most un-pro style offense ever, is injury prone, and lacks a true position. When you consider that we have needs other than "playmaker" to spend a first round pick on, there's no logical reason to blow first round cash on such a risky prospect.

jim1
03-16-2009, 12:37 AM
If Harvin falls past the first round I'd be OK with taking a chance on him, but I'm not high on a guy who comes from the most un-pro style offense ever, is injury prone, and lacks a true position. When you consider that we have needs other than "playmaker" to spend a first round pick on, there's no logical reason to blow first round cash on such a risky prospect.

I'm so tired of this spread offense crap. And the reason why he played WR and RB is because he's so damned talented and productive. And that double dipping position wise- 190 carries- led to some of the injuries. We'll be lucky if he's there at #25, and if nothing else he'll be seriously considered- you're dreaming if you think we might have a shot at #44. Spread offense, route tree, whatever- we have position coaches to help players adjust to the NFL I don't see it being an issue with him. He can or will learn to run any route in the book- you go where the talent is, and he has it. And playmaker is a huge need.

BARF
03-16-2009, 12:40 AM
he is a better version of ginn, but he will not be there when we pick

TheBow305
03-16-2009, 12:43 AM
If Harvin can't stay healthy in college, what do you think is going to happen to him in the NFL?

Next question!

#1dolphinsfan
03-16-2009, 12:43 AM
Id much rather have Hakeem Nicks

FinAtic8480
03-16-2009, 01:19 AM
Guys this organization is not targeting WR so early in the Draft. I think this group really has confidence in our recieving corps and a reciever will be drafted much later in the draft. The position Miami has shown the most interest is LB, last year besides Porter the pass rush was non excitent. Miami has been linked to just about every LB and DE/OLB in this draft. Just to name a few:

Rey Maualaga
Clay Matthews
Larry English
Cody Brown
Paul Krueger
Michael Johnson
Clint Sintim
etc......

They want a guy opposite to Porter and they have been trying to get one since they missed last year on Calvin Pace.

GoonBoss
03-16-2009, 06:46 AM
Draft him to use him in the Wildcat? What? A WR running between the tackles.....Right.

CedarPhin
03-16-2009, 06:49 AM
Dude's tissue soft. I'd pass on him.

greasyObnoxious
03-16-2009, 06:53 AM
Just on WSVN local sofla TV, weekly Sunday segment ("Next Question")- WR and would be used in wildcat, great fit there. Also some RB possibly if I heard correctly. Still thinks they have to look hard at CB, says definitely at least a 2nd rd. pick spent there.

One question that I have- how well can Harvin throw the ball?

We'll see about the CB position, and I agree that Harvin will get a good, long look if available.

i've sworn myself not to be surprised with whoever is going to be the pick. you just never know with Parcells. judging by who we have brought in or are scheduled to be bring in for a private workout (others certainly know better than me; i just heard about maualuga and Barwin), i think we're not looking at WR with the 25th pick though

jim1
03-16-2009, 08:51 AM
Draft him to use him in the Wildcat? What? A WR running between the tackles.....Right.

You draft him as a top WR prospect. And he can run between the tackles if need be, he's plenty strong. The wildcat aspect is a bonus- it's a nice twist, but what we obviously need is a stronger base offense, a la Jake Grove. DOn't penalize a guy because he's versatile and brings a lot to the table.

GoonBoss
03-16-2009, 09:10 AM
You draft him as a top WR prospect. And he can run between the tackles if need be, he's plenty strong. The wildcat aspect is a bonus- it's a nice twist, but what we obviously need is a stronger base offense, a la Jake Grove. DOn't penalize a guy because he's versatile and brings a lot to the table.

Using a WR to run the Wildcat at the pro level is the stupidest thing I've heard since using Vick to run it. The first time a D-Lineman in the NFL gets a shot at Harvin, that's going to be it for him. Ronnie Brown makes the Wildcat work on this level because he can take and deliver a blow at the point of attack.

jim1
03-16-2009, 09:21 AM
Using a WR to run the Wildcat at the pro level is the stupidest thing I've heard since using Vick to run it. The first time a D-Lineman in the NFL gets a shot at Harvin, that's going to be it for him. Ronnie Brown makes the Wildcat work on this level because he can take and deliver a blow at the point of attack.

Dude, try a little research- Harvin is uber muscular, benches 405 and had 190 carries last year. I think that he could handle the load, he has enough size for it at 200 lbs. He did just lose 9 lbs. for his pro day 40, but that will go back on.

RUDEbyallMEANS
03-16-2009, 11:52 AM
The way I see it, this FO will not draft WR high until the foundation of the team is taken care of. Considering that Camarillo, Bess and Cobbs have been ultra-productive for this offensive coaching staff, I doubt WR is a position they will look at in the first 2 rounds.

finfan3223
03-16-2009, 11:56 AM
I'd take Nicks over Harvin every time

ckparrothead
03-16-2009, 11:59 AM
Dude, try a little research- Harvin is uber muscular, benches 405 and had 190 carries last year. I think that he could handle the load, he has enough size for it at 200 lbs. He did just lose 9 lbs. for his pro day 40, but that will go back on.

GoonBoss is not wrong, IMO. I think that the reason Miami would be looking for Harvin to take a role in the Wildcat is because he could potentially fill Ricky Williams' role, not Ronnie Brown's role.

Williams and Brown are both UFAs in 2010 and of the two, Brown is most likely to be kept for at least one more year via the franchise tag.

CW_McGraw
03-16-2009, 03:15 PM
The entire Gators offense revolves around misdirection and trickery. While the Wildcat also uses some elements of deception, I would be just as opposed to using a day one pick on a guy whose role in the offense would be purely situational.

Percy Harvin is too small (NOT WEAK) to be anything more than a change of pace back and too undersized and raw a prospect to be the redzone threat/possession WR the offense needs, not to mention the guy can't stay healthy. Though I respect Percy Harvin for playing through some of his injuries, an injury-prone gadget player has no place in the first round.

Bleedin_Phins
03-16-2009, 05:25 PM
Guys this organization is not targeting WR so early in the Draft. I think this group really has confidence in our recieving corps and a reciever will be drafted much later in the draft. The position Miami has shown the most interest is LB, last year besides Porter the pass rush was non excitent. Miami has been linked to just about every LB and DE/OLB in this draft. Just to name a few:

Rey Maualaga
Clay Matthews
Larry English
Cody Brown
Paul Krueger
Michael Johnson
Clint Sintim
etc......

They want a guy opposite to Porter and they have been trying to get one since they missed last year on Calvin Pace.


They have a guy to play opposite, PORTER.

His name is CAMERON WAKE

This guy is going to be a stud.

Nublar7
03-16-2009, 06:12 PM
he is a better version of ginn, but he will not be there when we pick
He is a similar player to Ginn, which is why I don't see Miami taking him. They don't need another Ginn, they need a big, strong WR with good hands. Ginn is a vertical threat and a speedster. We need someone who can make the catch and pick up those tough extra yards. Which is why I see Nicks being a more likely target for the Dolphins.

jim1
03-16-2009, 06:16 PM
GoonBoss is not wrong, IMO. I think that the reason Miami would be looking for Harvin to take a role in the Wildcat is because he could potentially fill Ricky Williams' role, not Ronnie Brown's role.

Williams and Brown are both UFAs in 2010 and of the two, Brown is most likely to be kept for at least one more year via the franchise tag.

That's an interesting point, but my focus is on Harvin as a WR. In terms of the wildcat, I'm not even sure that Harvin can throw the ball well. My best guess is that he'll be gone by #25 and the point will be moot.

jim1
03-16-2009, 06:21 PM
He is a similar player to Ginn, which is why I don't see Miami taking him. They don't need another Ginn, they need a big, strong WR with good hands. Ginn is a vertical threat and a speedster. We need someone who can make the catch and pick up those tough extra yards. Which is why I see Nicks being a more likely target for the Dolphins.

As much as I like Harvin, Nicks just seems like a natural fit. But I wouldn't discount what a much stronger and quicker player than Ginn (Harvin) could bring to the offense. When I think about it, at the end of the day, the fit seems to be Ginn and Nicks outside with Bess in the slot, working London into the rotation, Ginn stretching the field and Nicks doing his Michael Irvin thing, tough yards, etc. I love Harvin, but every time I run it through my mind the anwer pops out as Nicks, if he's there at #25.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2ikDsi-DJA

RealDriscoll
03-16-2009, 08:16 PM
Cedar,

I am with you. nicks looks a lot better than Harvin

X-Pacolypse
03-16-2009, 09:46 PM
It's always nice too see the Trifecta put in maximum effort with their smokescreens.

Smith21
03-17-2009, 02:28 AM
If Harvin can't stay healthy in college, what do you think is going to happen to him in the NFL?

Next question!
you dont think the dolphins have a little better trainers than uF?

canesandbhoys
03-17-2009, 02:58 AM
you dont think the dolphins have a little better trainers than uF?

They do, but the NFL has stronger/harder hitters than NCAA. 4 more games a year too.

Lazy1
03-17-2009, 04:43 AM
you dont think the dolphins have a little better trainers than uF?

A big problem for harvin was he would play on his injuries and never let them heal properly which is why the re accured so often. Once he lets his ankle heal properly he will be injured a lot less. His ankle was his main injury concern for the most part.

CedarPhin
03-17-2009, 05:22 AM
Cedar,

I am with you. nicks looks a lot better than Harvin

Yeah, if I'm going with a WR..it's going to be Nicks. I've just never been a fan of Harvin.

Geforce
03-17-2009, 10:46 AM
He is a similar player to Ginn, which is why I don't see Miami taking him. They don't need another Ginn, they need a big, strong WR with good hands. Ginn is a vertical threat and a speedster. We need someone who can make the catch and pick up those tough extra yards. Which is why I see Nicks being a more likely target for the Dolphins.
I think Harvin have more similarities to Reggie Bush than he does to Ted Ginn as Percy can line up at both running back and slot receiver. Harvin's 1,800+ yards rushing and 1,900+ yards receiving in three years demonstrates his versatility. Unfortunately for Harvin, he does have a bit of a injury history. That alone would probably prevent him from being drafted ahead of Nicks.

XXXSURTAINXXX
03-17-2009, 11:15 AM
I think the Jets might draft Harvin. I wouldn't be hurt. If that pick was purely for the wildcat, we'd be better off going with Pat White in a later round. I dont know why but Im growing attached to Herman Johnson...even with the 25th pick. I think the guy will start day one. Dont shoot me, He is versatile and at Guard....man we could run all day long up the gut.

jim1
03-17-2009, 11:38 AM
I think the Jets might draft Harvin. I wouldn't be hurt. If that pick was purely for the wildcat, we'd be better off going with Pat White in a later round. I dont know why but Im growing attached to Herman Johnson...even with the 25th pick. I think the guy will start day one. Dont shoot me, He is versatile and at Guard....man we could run all day long up the gut.

No guns here, but taking him in the 3rd would be high enough.