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03-20-2009, 03:16 AM
NFL | Several teams showing interest in Guice
Fri, 20 Mar 2009 00:00:09 -0700

Josh Buchanan, of NFLDraftBible.com, reports Northwestern State WR Dudley Guice said during an interview that the New Orleans Saints, the Miami Dolphins, the Jacksonville Jaguars, the Atlanta Falcons, the Cleveland Browns and the Indianapolis Colts are among the teams showing the most interest in him.


You know perhaps we take Hakeem Nicks,doubt it. I think Miami is gonna get its WR a little bit later in this drafta nd have been saying since reports were that we were showing interest in Johnny Knox. Well, it seems Miami is showing interest in another reciever projected to go a little later in this draft.

Who is Dudley Guice?

Dudley Guice, WR, Northwestern State: If you've never heard the name, consider this an introduction, because you'll hear it at the draft. In addition to his 6-foot-3 frame and 34-inch arm length, Guice is a flat-out burner. He ran a 4.4 40 at his pro day, and added a blazing 4.01-second short shuttle time and 39-inch vertical.



Small Tidbit he attended the same college as Mark Duper.

03-20-2009, 06:42 AM
Eron Riley is another one in the same mold from what it sounds. Look halfway down.

03-20-2009, 06:45 AM
Why is he such a late round pick prospect, everything looks good?

03-20-2009, 10:11 AM
Some of these guys are late round picks simply because they played for schools that are not recognized, it does not mean they are not good. Bring that they dont play againts top teams all the time drops their stock.

Kendall Langford played for Hampton and he was a starter all of last year.

VT Dolphan
03-20-2009, 11:32 AM
Oh god no! The Ginn & Guice remarks will never end if we draft him!

03-20-2009, 11:39 AM
Oh god no! The Ginn & Guice remarks will never end if we draft him!

OMG, when I read that just now I actually got visibly giddy. That is...awesome.

BTW, that's basically 2 of the 3 small school WRs that I specifically pointed out in my blog that the Dolphins are now showing open interest in.


Small School Receivers

Since this is a draft site, it would behoove me to talk about, you know, the NFL Draft. The first thing I would like to do is draw attention to an excellent little piece of work written by Edgar Thompson of the Palm Beach Post. In it, he details Bill Parcells' history with drafting receivers.

Personally, I agree with Edgar that there tends to be a certain size that is a commonality in most of these receiver picks. However, it has been brought up that this may either be anomalous, or simply due to receivers actually growing in stature during this 20+ year history of draft picks. Fair enough. One thing I will note, however, is that the list shows a very significant trend in picking receivers from small schools, including the FCS. Some of the schools listed for the receivers include Northwestern Oklahoma State, Hampton, Angelo State, Northern Iowa, Western Michigan, Louisianna-Monroe, Northwestern State-Louisianna, Utah State and Pacific.

Folks, that is 9 out of 20 receiver picks used on small school players from the 4th round onward. Just a cursory glance at our WR Rankings will show that small school prospects don't represent anywhere even close to 45 percent of draftable receivers, any given year.

Did Parcells draft all of those players? No, he only had final say authority in one draft during that time span. However, he doesn't really have final say authority over draft picks in Miami, either. Yet, there are no shortage of people assuming that whoever Miami drafts will be a "Parcells guy". For many of those drafts, Parcells worked closely with George Young, the General Manager of the Giants. He learned a great deal from Young's philosophies on personnel, including adherence to the infamous "planet theory," which in its original form simply guided for acquiring as many uber-athletic big men as possible. When Parcells went to New England, he did not necessarily have final say authority, and was infamously countermanded on several draft picks (see Glenn, Terry) however it is fairly safe to say that the personnel department tried their hardest to work with Parcells' player preferences. The same is true with the Jets, Cowboys, and now the Dolphins. All of these drafts are very likely to be tuned to a high degree into Bill Parcells' preference patterns. Therefore, I do consider the penchant for selecting small school receivers later in the draft to be a strong pattern that is likely to repeat in Miami (when they are actually interested in receivers).

How does this translate to the 2009 NFL Draft? There are a number of smaller school players that I would highlight as higher than normal likelihood for being drafted by the Dolphins, due to the small school trend. Interestingly enough, most featured well in the Texas vs. Nation All Star practices and game.

The first is the guy that actually blew up during the game. I'm talking about Abilene-Christian's own Johnny Knox. Knox played on an Abilene-Christian offense that set all kinds of records by scoring 52.3 points per game and racking up 558.8 yards per game. The offense mostly featured the dynamic Harlon Hill Award winning running back Bernard Scott, who is a subject for a different blog. However, Knox was the leading receiver on the team and caught 56 balls for 1,069 yards and 13 TDs in 2008. When I watch him play, I don't necessarily see a guy that has tremendous hip flexibility and the ability to be sudden and crisp in his routes, however he blew the doors off the Combine in February by running as low as a 4.29 on some stopwatches in the 40, jumping 35 inches vertically and 10'2" horizontally. He did this at 5' 11.5" and 185 pounds.

There are two strengths to his game that can make him a viable pro. One is obvious, when you have that kind of speed, corners are going to have to back off you and show you a lot of respect. A player that fast will get open for underneath routes even if he doesn't have the special start-stop/stop-start ability, hip flexibility and balance to get into and out of his breaks with elite quickness. Corners will give him cushion off the line, and they will generally open their hips early to respect his deep speed, which will give him the ability to catch the ball on out and hitch patterns. His speed is not just evident on a track, you can see it on the football field and his take-off from the line of scrimmage is about as fast as you'll see.

The other aspecrt of his game that will avail him in the pros is his hands and ability to concentrate on the football. During the Texas vs. Nation game, the athletic cornerback DeAngelo Willingham of Tennessee actually did a good job of covering Knox on a deep post. Again, Knox is not yet a sudden or explosive route seller, and with the cushion and respect he was seeing from corners and safeties, this was not surprising. Willingham was positioned in front of Knox and reached back at the ball, getting a good piece of it. Knox was able to keep concentration on the football despite the tip, come up with the ball, and keep running straight into the end zone. If that play were an isolated incident, it would not carry a whole lot of significance. However, Knox displayed a superior catch radius at Abilene-Christian as well as the All Star practices. He is a natural and smooth hands catcher that shows good concentration on and the ability to catch passes that are not perfectly targeted, including both the low ball and the high ball.

Another prospect that could tickle the Dolphins' fancy for small school athletes at the receiver position would be Dominique Edison of Stephen F. Austin. He is a lot bigger than Johnny Knox, at 6'2" and 204 pounds, however he is also a little slower, running a 4.43 at the NFL Combine. Interestingly enough, his agility and jump characteristics are about the same as Knox despite the larger size. Edison exploded in his final year at Stephen F Austin, going from 500+ yard, 4 TD kind of guy to a 1,000+ yard 18 TD guy. According to Chad Reuter of NFL Draft Scout, Edison was the most impressive receiver at the Texas vs. Nation Monday practice, before he dinged his shoulder and had to sit out some.

Right now, Edison has yet to prove to me that his catch radius is as strong as Knox, however something that does absolutely stand out about him is that he is great at looking the football into his hands, going after the ball at its highest point and securing the football in traffic. From a speed standpoint, his vertical speed is very evident on tape, at least at the FCS level of competition. He appears to be a legitimate 4.4 speedster. Where he has Knox, in addition to the size department, is the quickness and ability to cut. At mid-field, his route selection was not tremendous. He mostly ran post patterns and short patterns on the sidelines. However, in the red zone is where you see him run a lot trickier patterns with genuine quickness and change of direction skills. Not surprisingly, he caught 18 touchdowns with his deadly combination of size, speed and route quickness.

The most devastating route runner among small school receivers has to be Jarett Dillard of Rice. Dillard's story has really caught on over the last month or so. He is one half of the most prolific QB-WR touchdown combo in NCAA history, if I'm not mistaken (which I might be). Infamously, he is not the biggest or the fastest receiver out there. He has really taken that label and used it as a chip on his shoulder in order to train and get better to the point where, to be honest, showing up at the NFL Combine 5'10" and 191 pounds with a 4.54 in the 40, a 42.5 inch vertical and 10'9" broad jump (both either the best or tied for the best among receivers at the Combine), is not anything close to a sin. He has strong hands and can make a variety of catches, including over the shoulder. His quickness off the line of scrimmage, ability to avoid the jam and use his tremendous jumping skills and strong hands made him a favorite on fade routes in the end zone at Shrine Practices and during the game itself. Where Jarett Dillard will really catch your eye, though, is the ability to sink his hips and stay balanced in order to make his breaks crisp and explosive. The problem, for him, is he trained so hard on running a faster 40 he might actually be a faster vertical guy on the track than he really is on the football field, and corners are not going to give him the cushion that they would a Johnny Knox or Dominique Edison. On the other hand, Dillard's ability to get into and out of his breaks blows the other two away. His jump skills are also deadlier, though Edison's size might make up for it. Dillard, by the way, was pretty much the star receiver at East-West Shrine practices.

Another small school receiver to keep an eye on, that I know very little about, is Dudley Guice of Northwestern State-Louisiannna. He is 6'3" and 209 pounds, and blew up some great numbers at an impromptu workout held for just one NFL scout. He ran true 4.40 and 4.43 second times on FieldTurf, had a 39 inch vertical, 10'5" broad jump, 4.01 second shuttle and 6.62 second cone drills. He has 34 inch arms, a very nice reading for a receiver. The intriguing part here is that once Dominique Edison took an injury after the Texas vs. Nation Monday practice, Dudley Guice stepped up and became the most impressive receiver in the practices, according to NFL Draft Scout's Chad Reuter. He also caught a number of passes during the game, including a very nicely run deep out touchdown where he used his head and hips to flash inside and break outside, generating 5 yards of separation between he and cornerback DeAngelo Willingham. He really did a nice job turning his momentum upfield to cross the goal line as he was about to head out of bounds after the catch. He definitely had to have caught a few eyes, especially given his superior size and athleticism.

03-20-2009, 11:49 AM
Who is Dudley Guice?


according to KFFL his 40 got a little better on his second attempt i guess.

He ran the 40-yard dash in 4.37 seconds on his second attempt.


03-20-2009, 11:50 AM
Johnny Knox...check
Dudley Guice...check
Dominique Edison...next?

03-20-2009, 12:28 PM
Johnny Knox...check
Dudley Guice...check
Dominique Edison...next?
Edison did say he talked to all 32 teams at the combine so the Dolphins have alteast talked to him once. We will probably know more about the Dolphins interest in Edison on Monday when Stephen F. Austin have their Pro Day.

03-20-2009, 12:48 PM
im all for a late round prospect... find a colston or TJ :)

03-20-2009, 12:50 PM
Here's a very good interview I found of Guice.

Do you think playing for a run-oriented offense helped you in other areas?
Actually, I think it helped me (overall). It’s helped me to maintain composure. A lot of guys from a spread offense are used to the ball coming their way. If the ball does come your way in a run-oriented offense, you want it more. I mean, we run the ball 80 percent of the time, give or take…In the back of my mind, I know, if we only get the ball 20 percent of the time, when the ball comes to my side and it’s in the air, you take more pride. You want to get to make every chance like it’s the last, because you really don’t know when the ball’s going to come to your side again. I think that aspect, as a receiver, if you have that mentality or that mind-frame, and you say when it does come to you, “make a play,” and go to the next play. And it definitely helps you blocking-wise, because if you’re not a good blocker, you’re not going to be in there.

Do you think there will be a tough adjustment dealing with an NFL type of offense?
Oh, no. I feel like a playbook is a playbook. We ran four-wide offense in a practice spread. There were a couple of times in the season when we did run a spread offense, I just think as a whole we didn’t have the four-wide personnel. Sometimes that would kind of make it hard on our quarterback, but for the most part, I think a playbook is a playbook, and it all comes with the territory. Either you’re a good play-reader ­- you’re going to be a good playmaker - or you’re not. A lot of guys might compare me to some of those guys who were in a spread offense as someone who was in a run offense, but I just want to make it clear that a good receiver is going to be a good receiver, whether it was in a run offense or a pass offense.
Me, personally, I just want to spread this: my yards per catch averaged about 17.6. Now if you look at that, that led the conference, so when I got the ball, I made something happen. I think that’s all that matters on the next level: once you get the ball, you make something happen. So I think I did a good job with that, personally.

How about special teams? What do you think you can offer there?
Yes, sir. I was a part of special teams since my freshman year. I was a starting gunner, I was a starting jammer (on punt teams), I did kick return a couple years. I was (on every) kickoff coming into my freshman, sophomore year, and the coach took me off of kickoff because he really didn’t want me taking any more hits coming into my junior, senior year. But I was a gunner and jammer in my college career.

And what do you like about that?
I think it’s fun. I think special teams are definitely a big momentum change. Actually, I liked doing gunner and jammer. It was one of those things where coach put the best players on special teams. If you were on special teams, you must be athletic, you must be doing something right, because coaches in college, they pride themselves on special teams. If there’s nothing else they do, they’re going to make sure they have their special teams up to par.
As for the pronunciation of his name.

One last question. I’ve got to ask, how do you pronounce your last name?
It’s (Ghice), man. People have the hardest time, they give me “Juice,” “Geese.” I’ve heard it all. I mean, we were watching the (Texas vs. The Nation All-Star game), my mom had in on DVR, and I heard “Geese” the whole entire day. I thought it was hilarious. It was funny. But it’s Guice, G-u-i-c-e. A lot of people call me “Juice,” put the “J” out there for the “G.” But it’s definitely Guice, Jr.

03-20-2009, 12:51 PM
im all for a late round prospect... find a colston or TJ :)

Nevermind. I forgot that T.J. Houshmandzadeh was a 7th round pick.

03-20-2009, 01:04 PM
Edison did say he talked to all 32 teams at the combine so the Dolphins have alteast talked to him once. We will probably know more about the Dolphins interest in Edison on Monday when Stephen F. Austin have their Pro Day.

Yeah but it means a lot more when he names us as one of the teams showing the most interest.

03-20-2009, 01:05 PM
Oh god no! The Ginn & Guice remarks will never end if we draft him!

OMG, I want him now!

03-20-2009, 01:09 PM
Well, he didn't come in 2nd place for the Draddy Award by being dumb.

03-20-2009, 03:12 PM
Oh god no! The Ginn & Guice remarks will never end if we draft him!

I actually like that. It's catchy. Rollin back, sippin on Ginn & Guice. LAAAIIIIDDD BACK, with my mind on my money and my money on my mind.

03-20-2009, 08:21 PM
I have been saying for a while now I dont see Miami investing in a WR early, especially with the success they have had finding unknown recievers. Patrick Crayton was drafted in the 7th round. Miles Austin, Sam Hurd and Davone Bess were all UDFA. So why would Miami not continue a trend that has worked especially with a draft loaded with talent at WR. Brandon Tate is another guy I think could go late and have better success than Nicks.

03-20-2009, 09:42 PM
I just have one thing to say about small school WR's................. Jerry Rice.

03-21-2009, 12:57 AM
I said it once and Ill keep saying This regime is very successful at aquiring Recievers late in Drafts, and will not change their trend especially with how good our recieving corps was last year. Alot might say Im crazy, but Ginn, Camarillo and Bess did a real nice job last year and they really like those guys. Brandon London is said to be held in high standard and they feel they have a Gem. Miami will address the reciever position late in this draft who is full of good reciever.

03-21-2009, 01:26 AM
Here is Guice on video...looks a little like Michael Irvin:


03-21-2009, 01:40 AM
I actually like that. It's catchy. Rollin back, sippin on Ginn & Guice. LAAAIIIIDDD BACK, with my mind on my money and my money on my mind.
There is a country/bluegrass version of that song that is hilarious.

03-21-2009, 09:27 PM
knee knee kneee knee knee kneeee knee knee knee (gin and juice)

03-22-2009, 02:01 AM
Here is Guice on video...looks a little like Michael Irvin:

Or Calvin Johnson (DET)!!

03-22-2009, 02:10 AM
He's not Hakeem Nicks, but I would be very pleasantly surprised if we picked him up in the later rounds~!