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fishypete
04-28-2009, 02:41 PM
WOW....Read this;


http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-dolphins-pat-white-wildcat-042809,0,5837186.story

"For the 30 minutes it takes to put in a Wildcat play it takes a defense a day to figure it out and work on how to stop it," former Miami Dolphins coach Jimmy Johnson (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/topic/sports/football/jimmy-johnson-PESPT008454.topic) told WQAM radio last week.

fishypete
04-28-2009, 02:47 PM
Now we know why so many receivers and receivers of all types....spread offense here we come.

ArmyFin7
04-28-2009, 02:49 PM
I mentioned this yesterday. I dont believe it will be our base offense, but I could see it being implemented a few times a game....WAY more options than just the wildcat.

fishypete
04-28-2009, 02:54 PM
I mentioned this yesterday. I dont believe it will be our base offense, but I could see it being implemented a few times a game....WAY more options than just the wildcat.

I'm starting to disagree....the Wildpat will be the future offense of the Dolphins. We only received a small taste of it last season because they didn't have the key player...White. I'm leaning that the Dolphins use it at least 50% of the total plays this year.

And this could be the end of Penny...depending how it works out till opening day. I'm going to get my tickets for the preseason game against the Bucs...OBaby!!!

ArmyFin7
04-28-2009, 02:59 PM
If you are going to run it that much, IMO your better off to use a base spread formation with 4 wide and a rb or 5 wide with no rb....similar to what white ran at WV....does anyone else wonder if the braintrust will be picking pats brain to get some of the plays they used at WV?

ArmyFin7
04-28-2009, 03:05 PM
Thats exactly how the pats came back to beat baltimore 2 yrs ago. They took everything from the gun and rendered Baltimores blitz scheme and their LB's useless. With 4 and 5 recievers on the field you nhave to bring in exhtra corners and remove LB's....with White, comes a threat of him running....I don't know exactly what theyre going to do but with Sparanos visiting with Urben Meyer and us drafting Pat White....sonmething more than just 6 or 7 wildcat plays is in store.

fishypete
04-28-2009, 03:15 PM
If you are going to run it that much, IMO your better off to use a base spread formation with 4 wide and a rb or 5 wide with no rb....similar to what white ran at WV....does anyone else wonder if the braintrust will be picking pats brain to get some of the plays they used at WV?

Perhaps thats why they selected so many receivers.

3rdandinches
04-28-2009, 03:37 PM
Thats exactly how the pats came back to beat baltimore 2 yrs ago. They took everything from the gun and rendered Baltimores blitz scheme and their LB's useless. With 4 and 5 recievers on the field you nhave to bring in exhtra corners and remove LB's....with White, comes a threat of him running....I don't know exactly what theyre going to do but with Sparanos visiting with Urben Meyer and us drafting Pat White....sonmething more than just 6 or 7 wildcat plays is in store.

So now P.White is on par with T.Brady, awesome. Even better let's run a 197lb QB at Baltimore's defense! R.Lewis is lick'in his chops as we speak.

ArmyFin7
04-28-2009, 03:43 PM
Where did you get that White was on par with brady?? I was talking about formations. The only counter to a spread with 5 recievers using Baltimore as an example Ray Lewis would probably be the spy in the middle....if it comes down to ray Lewis and Pat White in the open field one on one, I'd bet on White. Far to elusive.

3rdandinches
04-28-2009, 03:58 PM
Where did you get that White was on par with brady?? I was talking about formations. The only counter to a spread with 5 recievers using Baltimore as an example Ray Lewis would probably be the spy in the middle....if it comes down to ray Lewis and Pat White in the open field one on one, I'd bet on White. Far to elusive.

Your making is sound like if we run this formation we would have the same success except they have one of the greatest QB's to play the game making decisions not some rookie.

No rookie QB is going to spread out a defense like that, they'll just continue to send the pressure and make the rookie have zero time in his decision making. They would make him beat them with his arm trying to keep him in the pocket and his rookie 6'0 frame will get eaten up.

fishypete
04-28-2009, 03:59 PM
So now P.White is on par with T.Brady, awesome. Even better let's run a 197lb QB at Baltimore's defense! R.Lewis is lick'in his chops as we speak.

I guess teams like Auburn, Oklahoma, and North Carolina to mention a few, didn't have middle linebackers. I wonder how Baltimore's defense will do now that some changes have been made.

fishypete
04-28-2009, 04:04 PM
Your making is sound like if we run this formation we would have the same success except they have one of the greatest QB's to play the game making decisions not some rookie.

No rookie QB is going to spread out a defense like that, they'll just continue to send the pressure and make the rookie have zero time in his decision making. They would make him beat them with his arm trying to keep him in the pocket and his rookie 6'0 frame will get eaten up.

Your missing the point...the idea is to cause mis matches....against a defense. The Ravens had the advantage last season...11 on 10....not this year. Teams will not be able to stack the box...against the run...because you can throw. Teams weren't afraid of Ronnies arm. The Dolphins won't have to over load the O-line...so in not telling the defense which way the run may go...unlike last season....everyone knew the run was to the right side.

When it counted...White played big;

http://search.live.com/video/results.aspx?q=pat+white&docid=759153229915&mid=35C9CD35358BF65161C535C9CD35358BF65161C5&FORM=VIVR19

JT-forpresident
04-28-2009, 04:17 PM
those articles are the reasons why i keep faith in the pat white pick...

i really didn't want to see him as a dolphin (anyone who watched my posts can recall that i wasn't a big fan)

but in the end, he's a dolphin now, and he is a huge weapon that we need to figure out. White might become the most electrifying football player since michael vick, and that's a bigtime bonus to the dolphins if this is what he ends up being

but i have some questions though... why draft a typical block first catch later TE like nalbone, when you've drafted pat white who actually is a athletic/speed type of player ?
if we trully are about to create an nfl spread offence, why draft the wrong players ? (aside from white)
why draft jake long, a tough SOB who's better at run blocking downhill, if you want to run zone schemes and a spread offence that relys purely on speed and athleticism ?
why resign carey, another typical downhill blocker ?
why trade satele who's a very reliable shotgun center and zone blocking center ?

it's paradoxal and confusing to me

3rdandinches
04-28-2009, 04:27 PM
Your missing the point...the idea is to cause mis matches....against a defense. The Ravens had the advantage last season...11 on 10....not this year. Teams will not be able to stack the box...against the run...because you can throw. Teams weren't afraid of Ronnies arm. The Dolphins won't have to over load the O-line...so in not telling the defense which way the run may go...unlike last season....everyone knew the run was to the right side.

When it counted...White played big;

http://search.live.com/video/results.aspx?q=pat+white&docid=759153229915&mid=35C9CD35358BF65161C535C9CD35358BF65161C5&FORM=VIVR19


Sorry but this ain't college football anymore, there's alot of gimmic offenses that are successfull there and are useless in the NFL.

I understand that it's about mismatches, but how do you think that P.White as a 6'0 rookie will drop back and tear up defenses like Baltimore. Believe me it's the first thing Baltimore will do is allow their excellent D-line and send pressure from the OLB while R.Lewis spies the middle and tell White to stay in the pocket and beat us with his arm. Good luck!

Why you guys think some rookie will excel at this is beyond me. Some set plays in the Wildcat will be his success but even against a team like Baltimore it's unlikely.

fishypete
04-28-2009, 04:34 PM
Sorry but this ain't college football anymore, there's alot of gimmic offenses that are successfull there and are useless in the NFL.

I understand that it's about mismatches, but how do you think that P.White as a 6'0 rookie will drop back and tear up defenses like Baltimore. Believe me it's the first thing Baltimore will do is allow their excellent D-line and send pressure from the OLB while R.Lewis spies the middle and tell White to stay in the pocket and beat us with his arm. Good luck!

Why you guys think some rookie will excel at this is beyond me. Some set plays in the Wildcat will be his success but even against a team like Baltimore it's unlikely.

Well I guess we'll see....but I wouldn't bet against this kid....or the Dolphin coaches.

ArmyFin7
04-28-2009, 04:37 PM
If there are 3 down lineman and 4 linebackers...there are 4 guys playing coverage....if 2 of the 3 linebackers come after the QB there are 5 guys playing coverage.....if there are 4 wr's and 1 rb....you probably have coners and saeties playin man coverage on 4 wideouts while the spy LBer is tryin to watch the Qb and follow the rb....I would put money on 1 of 2 things happening before those LB's get past our front 5.....either someone is going to come open or the rb only has 1 man to beat to break into open field.

fishypete
04-28-2009, 04:38 PM
those articles are the reasons why i keep faith in the pat white pick...

i really didn't want to see him as a dolphin (anyone who watched my posts can recall that i wasn't a big fan)

but in the end, he's a dolphin now, and he is a huge weapon that we need to figure out. White might become the most electrifying football player since michael vick, and that's a bigtime bonus to the dolphins if this is what he ends up being

but i have some questions though... why draft a typical block first catch later TE like nalbone, when you've drafted pat white who actually is a athletic/speed type of player ?
if we trully are about to create an nfl spread offence, why draft the wrong players ? (aside from white)
why draft jake long, a tough SOB who's better at run blocking downhill, if you want to run zone schemes and a spread offence that relys purely on speed and athleticism ?
why resign carey, another typical downhill blocker ?
why trade satele who's a very reliable shotgun center and zone blocking center ?

it's paradoxal and confusing to me

There's two parts of the offense...run and throw...now what part don't you grasp? Your O-line has to block...so whats the problem?

ArmyFin7
04-28-2009, 04:39 PM
This is why the spread offense has made Urban Meyer the most sought after coach in NCAA football.

3rdandinches
04-28-2009, 04:54 PM
Well I guess we'll see....but I wouldn't bet against this kid....or the Dolphin coaches.

I said before I think he will have some success this year, I just don't think he's gonna walk in and make us this unstoppable force that some are trying to make us believe. Afterall he's a rookie and I don't believe the FO actually thinks this either. He was picked to add a different look to our offense not because he'll turn the NFL on it's ear or if so he would have been selected in the top 5.

rickd13
04-28-2009, 05:02 PM
I'm starting to disagree....the Wildpat will be the future offense of the Dolphins. We only received a small taste of it last season because they didn't have the key player...White. I'm leaning that the Dolphins use it at least 50% of the total plays this year.

And this could be the end of Penny...depending how it works out till opening day. I'm going to get my tickets for the preseason game against the Bucs...OBaby!!!


If that is the case, then why all of the tight ends, and an offensive line that is designed to maul the defense? Why get rid of Satale for Jake Grove if they plan to use so much spread offense?

ArmyFin7
04-28-2009, 05:06 PM
I think if it were to happen it would be a tweaked version of the spread, not the spread option that would require the o-lineman to be quick and agile. You still hav e to have guys that can win at the POA.

JT-forpresident
04-28-2009, 05:21 PM
There's two parts of the offense...run and throw...now what part don't you grasp? Your O-line has to block...so whats the problem?

dude ... :err:

there's a huge difference, skill wise, between a zone blocking linemen and your typical mauler (which is what we've got)

for more, just go to my thread in the main forum, i won't argue in two different threads on the same subject

RichmondWeb
04-28-2009, 10:59 PM
We have already seen NE showing completely different looks both offensively and defensively depending on the strengths and weaknesses of their opponent. One week they run the next week they throw 50 times; defensively they show 3-4 zone blitz one week, the next week they are in a 4-3. What they have is FLEXIBILITY which can only be effective when you have the right players for each scheme who can execute it flawlessly. It is very difficult to prepare for a flexible team because you don't know what they are going to do, and they know you are trying to figure them out so they can re-readjust. I like to think we are building a team that can execute several offensive and defensive philosophies all within the same season and even same game. That would be very hard to beat.

BARF
04-28-2009, 11:18 PM
now all we need is the option in the pro game full house backfield with brown, williams, and cobbs that would be nice

BrewMan13
04-29-2009, 12:24 AM
I'm starting to disagree....the Wildpat will be the future offense of the Dolphins. We only received a small taste of it last season because they didn't have the key player...White. I'm leaning that the Dolphins use it at least 50% of the total plays this year.

This is what I was gonna say...I think it will be at least 50% of the offense in a year or 2, maybe even the base offense. How much they do it this year will depend on White, though.

bert
04-29-2009, 09:17 AM
lol change the nfl.he wont even beat out henne.what a wake up call coming.

miamiron
04-29-2009, 09:52 AM
dude ... :err:

there's a huge difference, skill wise, between a zone blocking linemen and your typical mauler (which is what we've got)

for more, just go to my thread in the main forum, i won't argue in two different threads on the same subject

Huge difference is right after watching video of white's offensive line my jaw dropped seeing lineman 20-40 yards down the field running full speed laying blocks down...I don't invision seeing our lineman doing the same...different beast