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MustangFinFan
06-09-2009, 08:57 AM
My qualifications for writing all this are: 8 year wrestler, former corporal in the marines, football (fullback) my whole life, martial arts for 3 years, 6 years of studying exercise science, and currently a personal trainer on a military base. I also take kickboxing classes 4 days a week, but i dont spar. People fight in anger, brutality, fame, pride, violent entertainment, sometimes money. I know how fighters think, because I used to be one. Years ago if someone told me all this, I too woulda laughed and called them ignorant and stupid (which doesnt show 'respect' lol), but then I came to reality. And I think most fighters should do the same.

These sports are nothing but pure violence, and instructors try to brainwash you into thinking otherwise. Instructors try to say its about scoring points and about "finding out your strengths and weaknesses which leads to self-discovery", when its really not (ya cuz u need to beat up someone to discover yourself, lol). But you need to ask yourself, "whats the point of me kicking him in the head?" etc. I signed up to serve my country, to defend against people attacking my country. But what on earth did the guy/girl standing in front of u in the ring/cage/mat, do to you, to cause you to beat them up? Would u beat up a random person on the streets? Of course not, they did nothing to you! So why do it to them?

First of all, let me explain to you the science behind "fighting": Knockouts, occur when there is "trauma" to the brain stem, usually by a sharp rotation of the head. So thats why you see many fighters aiming for the chin or side of the head, it causes a quick rotation which leads to a trauma of the stem, if a person drops, it hits the nose, if they flinch back it hits the neck, if they move sideways it hits the jawline. Jaw and cheek: There is a nerve in that area of your face that runs directly up to your brain and when your face is struck hard it causes the brain to shut down. A hit to the facial area will cause lack of balance, focus, and disorientation. Now, this sport claims to teach focus and balance, by doing things to make you LOSE focus and balance??? Lol, makes no sense. Fighters will also watch their opponent when they are breathing IN, and hit them in the gut area as theyre breathing in, causes them to lose breathe and be knocked out. Some fighters will repeatedly hit their opponent in the head, because it causes a concussion. Many times they go after the temple, because its softer, and easier way to apply trauma. Sometimes you see a knee to the ribcage area, it practically pierces the lungs, causing a direct trauma and losing breathe. A fighter will choke you because it cuts off the trachea, and cuts off blood flow to the brain, thus making you become unconscious. Arm breaks, leg breaks, etc: In submitting, grappling, etc...theyll grab your arm or leg/foot and keep pulling. If the fighter doesnt tap out, youre supposed to simply break the arm by pulling it as much as you can, tearing the ligaments. All of this, sounds SO SAFE and justified/humane doesnt it?

All of this, can lead to paralysis or death. If there was no referee to stop the pounding, the person WOULD die. Regardless of whether or not there is a ref, its still inhumane and flat out disgusting. Some instructors try to tell their students that beating someone within an inch of their life and then STOP, so they dont die, is respectful...because youre respectful enough not to kill them. ..............Seriously, were these people born yesterday? Mostly, fighters make hits to the head (the control center of the body), the area most likely to cause trauma, death, paralysis, etc. In most sports, head hits are banned (football, hockey, etc)...and thats why they wear pads. Yet these sports, they go for the head. Oh, almost forgot: Instructors will defend all this by saying "well thats why we use gloves"....lol no, the truth is...gloves are worse, because it allows you to hit HARDER. Gloves arent that soft, it still hurts like hell. Some instructors will defend all this brain stem trauma by saying they dont allow hits on the back of the head for safety reasons, lol...thats a lie. They dont allow hits to the back of the head because its too easy. Fans want to see a long fight, not a 10 second pounding. If you're allowed to hit in the back of the head, the fight will be over in a minute. Think about it...if they didnt allow you to hit to the back of the head because of safety reasons, they wouldnt allow you to hit someone in a way where it traumatizes the brain stem, or cuts off blood flow (choke). Didnt think about that, did you? Yes, I know my stuff. If anyone tells you nobody's ever died in these sports, theyre lying. Look it up online, people HAVE died and ruined their lives from it.

Soon, New York will vote on whether or not to legalize mma in their state. Obviously many fans are writing and saying how safe it is, but many reps and state senators are calling it brutal, mindless...but regardless, it may just become legalized (and in my opinion, it will be). Here's why: Money. I have several buddies working on capitol hill who speak with people about all sorts of issues, and i myself know a governor and a few representatives. The ONLY reason the sport of MMA is legalized is simply: Money. It brings the state a lot of money, and a state like New York who could use it, will get lots of it. But rest assured, most government officials ARE opposed to the sport. Yes, people get hurt in all sports, but only in combat sports, do people get hurt PURPOSELY. There was a poll that went around in new york, and 67% of residents said they didnt want this sport legalized, and over 70% of the legislature said the same, BUT...they said it would bring money to the state. That'll be a huge shame, putting money over morals. But im not worried....because there are so many whiny parents out there who wont let their kids watch porn or Rated R movies, and the moment they see this stuff mainstreamed on channel 4, theyll complain. And who knows, it may get banned all over. Out of the 37 states its legalized in, 31 of the governors, think the sport is brutal, barbaric, and violent (i do my research). The government tries to make laws against abuse, violence, bullying....why on EARTH would they allow this stuff then?? Money. The only reason it seems like many people enjoy these sports, is because you never hear from the people who are opposed to it. I guarantee if people went to the polls in every state and voted on election day to ban or not ban it, itd get banned in at least 40 states. I have family in many redneck/country areas, and they tell me all the time that nobody they know likes these sports. So fighters, be glad the only reason your sport is legal, is because of the money, lol.

Is that not enough? Try this: In July, the chairman of the new york state athletic commission was removed as chairman (he was very much opposed to mma). Two days later, the governor (fight fan) announced that a person whom is a vocal proponent of MMA would chair the commission. Hmm.......are you thinking what im thinking? I withheld names for privacy purposes. Not to mention even the dean of sportswriters, and the heads of boxing organizations are opposed to MMA. A few representatives who voted against MMA, received threats....wow, that doesnt show much "respect" or "discipline" does it? Some fight fans will say the violence rate dropped when MMA was legalized, but let me explain why. Because beforehand, people were fighting on the streets where cops could arrest them. Now, those people are fighting inside (and for sport), so cops cant arrest them, lol. So actually, the violence rate is on the rise...you just dont see it!

Have you ever looked up in a dictionary what "martial arts" means? It means "art of war". Hmmm, art of war? Why is "art of war" being taught to people who arent in war, or to 5 year olds? Are they going to war?
Over and over again, people in these sports talk about how safe it is, how its MUCH safer than gymnastics, soccer, hockey, etc. Compare the amount of blood spilt in martial arts, to soccer. Compare the amount of people passed out in MMA, to gymnastics. NOW which is worse? What fight fans dont realize is, the long term effects of this stuff. They think its "cool" to watch guys fight barbarically, but they dont understand what its doing to their bodies, the science behind it.

If soccer, football, hockey, etc has more injuries, perhaps its because soccer/football/hockey players compete on a WEEKLY basis for HOURS. Whereas in all these violent sports, they compete every month or every few months for 5-15 minutes.

So martial arts teaches balance, focus, concentration, coordination, body conditioning (along with every other sport lol). So how come some fighters get winded and knocked out in minutes, yet football and soccer players can go for hours and still be full power. How come Brock Lesnar went out for football and couldnt even make the practice squad for the Vikings? Try being a Tour De France cyclist, see if you can cycle for 8 hours up and down mountains. I dare you, fighters.

Martial arts isnt stupid? So why did Chuck Lidell say in an NBC interview, "we wouldnt be doing this stuff if we didnt have issues". Look it up on you tube.

Many times, martial art people try to say, "its about self defense. If someone came in your home and tried to attack your mother, would u just sit there?"....uhh, what does some criminal intruding in my house and attacking my mother, have to do with me getting in a cage with some random guy who did nothing to me?

Why do people enjoy martial arts so much? Because they enjoy violent entertainment. What, do you REALLY think the fans watch it for any other reason? You wonder why you never hear the crowd cheering when the fighters are standing and staring, yet when one guy is on the floor pounding the other one repeatedly, the whooole crowd cheers as the top of their lungs. Because thats what they want, to see a pounding. And when a guy gets knocked out, everyone cheers. Now in most other sports, everyone is in silence and wondering if the guy is okay if he passes out.

What exactly is the benefit of martial arts? Tell me how this "discipline, mental toughness, coordination, balance"...is useful in your life? Please, because whenever I ask, I dont get an answer, and a few times Ive been kicked out of gyms when I asked. Are they hiding something? People these days are not capable of being disciplined. BUT, studies have shown that video games can improve mentality, coordinaton, focus. So can fish oil! So can ANY other sport, lol.

Martial Arts is a foreign "sport". The people who enjoy these sports the most, are usually....yes, country people, rednecks, southerners, people who live in the midwest, hicks, etc. Now correct me if im wrong, but dont THOSE people in particular, despise foreigners? So why on EARTH would they like "martial arts" then, seeing as how its a "foreign" sport? They hate soccer, hockey, etc. They like martial arts because they enjoy watching brutality and violence.

Some say they take it to give themselves control so they don’t bully, and that’s sad (and a lie). I had perfect control before I took classes.
Ive read articles, ive spoken to trainers, instructors, and the consensus is…martial arts, boxing, kickboxing are USELESS on the streets. So why teach this stuff if theyre useless in the streets? See, if youre on the streets, you don’t know if someone is gonna attack you, so if you get attacked, youre “off guard”, and you lose. Studies have shown that these simple “self defense” classes that last an hour and show basic techniques, are much more useful than combat sports. Plus, most people on the streets, are not TRAINED. Cage fights are worse than high school fights because you actually know HOW to knock someone out. Also, many various martial art instructors I know, ALSO call mma ruthless and brutal, saying its not what its supposed to be. Many older instructors from the middle east, asia, etc say these sports arent what theyre supposed to be, and becoming more and more violent. Many wrestlers I know, dont even like them.

Some instructors try to say that fighting is human nature, that even animals do it.....well wow, its surely not MY nature, lol. Ive been in this world for a looooong time, and never once needed to "fight". They compare it to the days of Jesus, or the Gladiators in Rome, where people killed each other...and thats sick. Do you REALLY think God approves of two people fighting for no reason whatsoever?

You want to know why the people who do it, enjoy mma and all those sports? Because their people who love fighting. So they view this as a way of fighting legally, committing assault and getting away with it. In order to make it legal, these instructors CANT say its about fighting and bloodshed, they HAVE TO say its about confidence, control, etc...otherwise itd be banned in a heartbeat, lol. And since these instructors and lovers KNOW that people believe everything they hear, they go after the younger people mostly, but hey, adults can be dumb too. And then when girls come in, the instructors try to make them think we live in a violent world where self defense is a MUST, when its not (i know tons of women who've never been attacked). The instructors make you think you're a "warrior".....oh really? Warriors right now, are in Iraq and Afghanistan. How come you're not there then? No, sorry to break it to you, but you combat sport lovers are NOT warriors.

Not to mention, almost every medical association alive, speaks AGAINST the sport. Almost every doctor, speaks AGAINST the sport. I wonder why. Id rather trust a doctor than some bloodshed loving guy. And those docs who do speak FOR it, are usually the younger ones who are still drunks and living the "party life". Even many ringside doctors are against it! The only reason they do it is because they get paid damn well to be ringside doctors.

Feel free to pass it on if you agree. Heck, send it to your state government. Ive researched this stuff left and right, and there is overwhelming evidence to be able to ban it completely, but like I said earlier, its not banned because it brings MONEY in, thats the only reason why! My life goal is to get all these sports banned (Unless they decide to make stronger rules like the ones I wrote.) And i think anyone who is opposed to it, needs to take a big stand against it. Not JUST mma.

BobDole
06-09-2009, 12:49 PM
i'm still waiting for the results of that aids test you took months back. i thought you died.

1 dol fan
06-09-2009, 05:59 PM
Because my other thread was deleted, (mods must be hiding something)...im reposting.


My qualifications for writing all this are: 8 year wrestler, former corporal in the marines, football (fullback) my whole life, martial arts for 3 years, 6 years of studying exercise science, and currently a personal trainer on a military base. I also take kickboxing classes 4 days a week, but i dont spar. People fight in anger, brutality, fame, pride, violent entertainment, sometimes money. I know how fighters think, because I used to be one. Years ago if someone told me all this, I too woulda laughed and called them ignorant and stupid (which doesnt show 'respect' lol), but then I came to reality. And I think most fighters should do the same.

These sports are nothing but pure violence, and instructors try to brainwash you into thinking otherwise. Instructors try to say its about scoring points and about "finding out your strengths and weaknesses which leads to self-discovery", when its really not (ya cuz u need to beat up someone to discover yourself, lol). But you need to ask yourself, "whats the point of me kicking him in the head?" etc. I signed up to serve my country, to defend against people attacking my country. But what on earth did the guy/girl standing in front of u in the ring/cage/mat, do to you, to cause you to beat them up? Would u beat up a random person on the streets? Of course not, they did nothing to you! So why do it to them?

First of all, let me explain to you the science behind "fighting": Knockouts, occur when there is "trauma" to the brain stem, usually by a sharp rotation of the head. So thats why you see many fighters aiming for the chin or side of the head, it causes a quick rotation which leads to a trauma of the stem, if a person drops, it hits the nose, if they flinch back it hits the neck, if they move sideways it hits the jawline. Jaw and cheek: There is a nerve in that area of your face that runs directly up to your brain and when your face is struck hard it causes the brain to shut down. A hit to the facial area will cause lack of balance, focus, and disorientation. Now, this sport claims to teach focus and balance, by doing things to make you LOSE focus and balance??? Lol, makes no sense. Fighters will also watch their opponent when they are breathing IN, and hit them in the gut area as theyre breathing in, causes them to lose breathe and be knocked out. Some fighters will repeatedly hit their opponent in the head, because it causes a concussion. Many times they go after the temple, because its softer, and easier way to apply trauma. Sometimes you see a knee to the ribcage area, it practically pierces the lungs, causing a direct trauma and losing breathe. A fighter will choke you because it cuts off the trachea, and cuts off blood flow to the brain, thus making you become unconscious. Arm breaks, leg breaks, etc: In submitting, grappling, etc...theyll grab your arm or leg/foot and keep pulling. If the fighter doesnt tap out, youre supposed to simply break the arm by pulling it as much as you can, tearing the ligaments. All of this, sounds SO SAFE and justified/humane doesnt it?

All of this, can lead to paralysis or death. If there was no referee to stop the pounding, the person WOULD die. Regardless of whether or not there is a ref, its still inhumane and flat out disgusting. Some instructors try to tell their students that beating someone within an inch of their life and then STOP, so they dont die, is respectful...because youre respectful enough not to kill them. ..............Seriously, were these people born yesterday? Mostly, fighters make hits to the head (the control center of the body), the area most likely to cause trauma, death, paralysis, etc. In most sports, head hits are banned (football, hockey, etc)...and thats why they wear pads. Yet these sports, they go for the head. Oh, almost forgot: Instructors will defend all this by saying "well thats why we use gloves"....lol no, the truth is...gloves are worse, because it allows you to hit HARDER. Gloves arent that soft, it still hurts like hell. Some instructors will defend all this brain stem trauma by saying they dont allow hits on the back of the head for safety reasons, lol...thats a lie. They dont allow hits to the back of the head because its too easy. Fans want to see a long fight, not a 10 second pounding. If you're allowed to hit in the back of the head, the fight will be over in a minute. Think about it...if they didnt allow you to hit to the back of the head because of safety reasons, they wouldnt allow you to hit someone in a way where it traumatizes the brain stem, or cuts off blood flow (choke). Didnt think about that, did you? Yes, I know my stuff. If anyone tells you nobody's ever died in these sports, theyre lying. Look it up online, people HAVE died and ruined their lives from it.

Soon, New York will vote on whether or not to legalize mma in their state. Obviously many fans are writing and saying how safe it is, but many reps and state senators are calling it brutal, mindless...but regardless, it may just become legalized (and in my opinion, it will be). Here's why: Money. I have several buddies working on capitol hill who speak with people about all sorts of issues, and i myself know a governor and a few representatives. The ONLY reason the sport of MMA is legalized is simply: Money. It brings the state a lot of money, and a state like New York who could use it, will get lots of it. But rest assured, most government officials ARE opposed to the sport. Yes, people get hurt in all sports, but only in combat sports, do people get hurt PURPOSELY. There was a poll that went around in new york, and 67% of residents said they didnt want this sport legalized, and over 70% of the legislature said the same, BUT...they said it would bring money to the state. That'll be a huge shame, putting money over morals. But im not worried....because there are so many whiny parents out there who wont let their kids watch porn or Rated R movies, and the moment they see this stuff mainstreamed on channel 4, theyll complain. And who knows, it may get banned all over. Out of the 37 states its legalized in, 31 of the governors, think the sport is brutal, barbaric, and violent (i do my research). The government tries to make laws against abuse, violence, bullying....why on EARTH would they allow this stuff then?? Money. The only reason it seems like many people enjoy these sports, is because you never hear from the people who are opposed to it. I guarantee if people went to the polls in every state and voted on election day to ban or not ban it, itd get banned in at least 40 states. I have family in many redneck/country areas, and they tell me all the time that nobody they know likes these sports. So fighters, be glad the only reason your sport is legal, is because of the money, lol.

Is that not enough? Try this: In July, the chairman of the new york state athletic commission was removed as chairman (he was very much opposed to mma). Two days later, the governor (fight fan) announced that a person whom is a vocal proponent of MMA would chair the commission. Hmm.......are you thinking what im thinking? I withheld names for privacy purposes. Not to mention even the dean of sportswriters, and the heads of boxing organizations are opposed to MMA. A few representatives who voted against MMA, received threats....wow, that doesnt show much "respect" or "discipline" does it? Some fight fans will say the violence rate dropped when MMA was legalized, but let me explain why. Because beforehand, people were fighting on the streets where cops could arrest them. Now, those people are fighting inside (and for sport), so cops cant arrest them, lol. So actually, the violence rate is on the rise...you just dont see it!

Have you ever looked up in a dictionary what "martial arts" means? It means "art of war". Hmmm, art of war? Why is "art of war" being taught to people who arent in war, or to 5 year olds? Are they going to war?
Over and over again, people in these sports talk about how safe it is, how its MUCH safer than gymnastics, soccer, hockey, etc. Compare the amount of blood spilt in martial arts, to soccer. Compare the amount of people passed out in MMA, to gymnastics. NOW which is worse? What fight fans dont realize is, the long term effects of this stuff. They think its "cool" to watch guys fight barbarically, but they dont understand what its doing to their bodies, the science behind it.

If soccer, football, hockey, etc has more injuries, perhaps its because soccer/football/hockey players compete on a WEEKLY basis for HOURS. Whereas in all these violent sports, they compete every month or every few months for 5-15 minutes.

So martial arts teaches balance, focus, concentration, coordination, body conditioning (along with every other sport lol). So how come some fighters get winded and knocked out in minutes, yet football and soccer players can go for hours and still be full power. How come Brock Lesnar went out for football and couldnt even make the practice squad for the Vikings? Try being a Tour De France cyclist, see if you can cycle for 8 hours up and down mountains. I dare you, fighters.

Martial arts isnt stupid? So why did Chuck Lidell say in an NBC interview, "we wouldnt be doing this stuff if we didnt have issues". Look it up on you tube.

Many times, martial art people try to say, "its about self defense. If someone came in your home and tried to attack your mother, would u just sit there?"....uhh, what does some criminal intruding in my house and attacking my mother, have to do with me getting in a cage with some random guy who did nothing to me?

Why do people enjoy martial arts so much? Because they enjoy violent entertainment. What, do you REALLY think the fans watch it for any other reason? You wonder why you never hear the crowd cheering when the fighters are standing and staring, yet when one guy is on the floor pounding the other one repeatedly, the whooole crowd cheers as the top of their lungs. Because thats what they want, to see a pounding. And when a guy gets knocked out, everyone cheers. Now in most other sports, everyone is in silence and wondering if the guy is okay if he passes out.

What exactly is the benefit of martial arts? Tell me how this "discipline, mental toughness, coordination, balance"...is useful in your life? Please, because whenever I ask, I dont get an answer, and a few times Ive been kicked out of gyms when I asked. Are they hiding something? People these days are not capable of being disciplined. BUT, studies have shown that video games can improve mentality, coordinaton, focus. So can fish oil! So can ANY other sport, lol.

Martial Arts is a foreign "sport". The people who enjoy these sports the most, are usually....yes, country people, rednecks, southerners, people who live in the midwest, hicks, etc. Now correct me if im wrong, but dont THOSE people in particular, despise foreigners? So why on EARTH would they like "martial arts" then, seeing as how its a "foreign" sport? They hate soccer, hockey, etc. They like martial arts because they enjoy watching brutality and violence.

Some say they take it to give themselves control so they don’t bully, and that’s sad (and a lie). I had perfect control before I took classes.
Ive read articles, ive spoken to trainers, instructors, and the consensus is…martial arts, boxing, kickboxing are USELESS on the streets. So why teach this stuff if theyre useless in the streets? See, if youre on the streets, you don’t know if someone is gonna attack you, so if you get attacked, youre “off guard”, and you lose. Studies have shown that these simple “self defense” classes that last an hour and show basic techniques, are much more useful than combat sports. Plus, most people on the streets, are not TRAINED. Cage fights are worse than high school fights because you actually know HOW to knock someone out. Also, many various martial art instructors I know, ALSO call mma ruthless and brutal, saying its not what its supposed to be. Many older instructors from the middle east, asia, etc say these sports arent what theyre supposed to be, and becoming more and more violent. Many wrestlers I know, dont even like them.

Some instructors try to say that fighting is human nature, that even animals do it.....well wow, its surely not MY nature, lol. Ive been in this world for a looooong time, and never once needed to "fight". They compare it to the days of Jesus, or the Gladiators in Rome, where people killed each other...and thats sick. Do you REALLY think God approves of two people fighting for no reason whatsoever?

You want to know why the people who do it, enjoy mma and all those sports? Because their people who love fighting. So they view this as a way of fighting legally, committing assault and getting away with it. In order to make it legal, these instructors CANT say its about fighting and bloodshed, they HAVE TO say its about confidence, control, etc...otherwise itd be banned in a heartbeat, lol. And since these instructors and lovers KNOW that people believe everything they hear, they go after the younger people mostly, but hey, adults can be dumb too. And then when girls come in, the instructors try to make them think we live in a violent world where self defense is a MUST, when its not (i know tons of women who've never been attacked). The instructors make you think you're a "warrior".....oh really? Warriors right now, are in Iraq and Afghanistan. How come you're not there then? No, sorry to break it to you, but you combat sport lovers are NOT warriors.

Not to mention, almost every medical association alive, speaks AGAINST the sport. Almost every doctor, speaks AGAINST the sport. I wonder why. Id rather trust a doctor than some bloodshed loving guy. And those docs who do speak FOR it, are usually the younger ones who are still drunks and living the "party life". Even many ringside doctors are against it! The only reason they do it is because they get paid damn well to be ringside doctors.

Feel free to pass it on if you agree. Heck, send it to your state government. Ive researched this stuff left and right, and there is overwhelming evidence to be able to ban it completely, but like I said earlier, its not banned because it brings MONEY in, thats the only reason why! My life goal is to get all these sports banned (Unless they decide to make stronger rules like the ones I wrote.) And i think anyone who is opposed to it, needs to take a big stand against it. Not JUST mma.
I live in the Midwest, and I take offense to the generalizations you have made about us. We do not "despise foreigners" nor do we "enjoy watching brutality and violence." In fact, my city was recently named in the top 10 places to live in America. We are #6. Please pay the appropriate amount of attention to halfway through the 3rd line.



With a population of about 50,000, La Crosse, Wis., is a great staging ground for exploring the natural wonders of the upper Mississippi River area. Although winters can be bitterly cold, friendly Midwesterners and the nearby ski slopes will keep your spirits high. The spring opens an active outdoor culture of camping, hiking, hunting, and fishing that brings more than a million visitors to the area each year. Explore the mighty Mississippi on a riverboat tour, or try your luck with the northern pike in Lake Onalaska. "Great people, fun town," says Dave Lueck, a 36-year-old graduate student at the University of Wisconsin-La Crosse. "It's not too big, not too small." And with a 2008 median home sale price of $113,000, it's also an affordable destination. (http://www.usnews.com/articles/business/real-estate/2009/06/08/best-places-to-live-2009.html?PageNr=2)

I can speak for myself and honestly say that I do not enjoy MMA and really haven't watched it. It doesn't really interest me at all. I'm sure that it is brutal and very damaging to the body but when these young kids find out they can fight well, they just see the money.

Maybe it should be outlawed... at this point in my day, I will leave it as "an issue to be considered at a later date".

GoonBoss
06-09-2009, 06:45 PM
Martial Arts is a foreign "sport". The people who enjoy these sports the most, are usually....yes, country people, rednecks, southerners, people who live in the midwest, hicks, etc. Now correct me if im wrong, but dont THOSE people in particular, despise foreigners? So why on EARTH would they like "martial arts" then, seeing as how its a "foreign" sport? They hate soccer, hockey, etc. They like martial arts because they enjoy watching brutality and violence.I challenge you to back this up with fact and statistics. You claim to have done the research. Prove your work. BTW....What were you? A Full Back or a kicker?


http://www.finheaven.com/forums/f10/so-you-know-fitness-but-do-you-really-240880.html
ETA....If you spent 6 years studying fitness, I hope you didn't pay for it.

BobDole
06-09-2009, 06:56 PM
I challenge you to back this up with fact and statistics. You claim to have done the research. Prove your work. BTW....What were you? A Full Back or a kicker?


http://www.finheaven.com/forums/f10/so-you-know-fitness-but-do-you-really-240880.html
ETA....If you spent 6 years studying fitness, I hope you didn't pay for it.

he never, ever replies. that's why i bring up the aids test thing every time b/c that thread was fugging hilarious - how he didn't reply to some of that stuff is mind bottling. i don't get why he takes the time to do this every month or so and never answers anybody. the aids thread was the best.

milldog
06-09-2009, 07:04 PM
My qualifications for writing all this are: 8 year wrestler, former corporal in the marines, football (fullback) my whole life, martial arts for 3 years, 6 years of studying exercise science, and currently a personal trainer on a military base. I also take kickboxing classes 4 days a week, but i dont spar. People fight in anger, brutality, fame, pride, violent entertainment, sometimes money. I know how fighters think, because I used to be one. Years ago if someone told me all this, I too woulda laughed and called them ignorant and stupid (which doesnt show 'respect' lol), but then I came to reality. And I think most fighters should do the same.

These sports are nothing but pure violence, and instructors try to brainwash you into thinking otherwise. Instructors try to say its about scoring points and about "finding out your strengths and weaknesses which leads to self-discovery", when its really not (ya cuz u need to beat up someone to discover yourself, lol). But you need to ask yourself, "whats the point of me kicking him in the head?" etc. I signed up to serve my country, to defend against people attacking my country. But what on earth did the guy/girl standing in front of u in the ring/cage/mat, do to you, to cause you to beat them up? Would u beat up a random person on the streets? Of course not, they did nothing to you! So why do it to them?

First of all, let me explain to you the science behind "fighting": Knockouts, occur when there is "trauma" to the brain stem, usually by a sharp rotation of the head. So thats why you see many fighters aiming for the chin or side of the head, it causes a quick rotation which leads to a trauma of the stem, if a person drops, it hits the nose, if they flinch back it hits the neck, if they move sideways it hits the jawline. Jaw and cheek: There is a nerve in that area of your face that runs directly up to your brain and when your face is struck hard it causes the brain to shut down. A hit to the facial area will cause lack of balance, focus, and disorientation. Now, this sport claims to teach focus and balance, by doing things to make you LOSE focus and balance??? Lol, makes no sense. Fighters will also watch their opponent when they are breathing IN, and hit them in the gut area as theyre breathing in, causes them to lose breathe and be knocked out. Some fighters will repeatedly hit their opponent in the head, because it causes a concussion. Many times they go after the temple, because its softer, and easier way to apply trauma. Sometimes you see a knee to the ribcage area, it practically pierces the lungs, causing a direct trauma and losing breathe. A fighter will choke you because it cuts off the trachea, and cuts off blood flow to the brain, thus making you become unconscious. Arm breaks, leg breaks, etc: In submitting, grappling, etc...theyll grab your arm or leg/foot and keep pulling. If the fighter doesnt tap out, youre supposed to simply break the arm by pulling it as much as you can, tearing the ligaments. All of this, sounds SO SAFE and justified/humane doesnt it?

All of this, can lead to paralysis or death. If there was no referee to stop the pounding, the person WOULD die. Regardless of whether or not there is a ref, its still inhumane and flat out disgusting. Some instructors try to tell their students that beating someone within an inch of their life and then STOP, so they dont die, is respectful...because youre respectful enough not to kill them. ..............Seriously, were these people born yesterday? Mostly, fighters make hits to the head (the control center of the body), the area most likely to cause trauma, death, paralysis, etc. In most sports, head hits are banned (football, hockey, etc)...and thats why they wear pads. Yet these sports, they go for the head. Oh, almost forgot: Instructors will defend all this by saying "well thats why we use gloves"....lol no, the truth is...gloves are worse, because it allows you to hit HARDER. Gloves arent that soft, it still hurts like hell. Some instructors will defend all this brain stem trauma by saying they dont allow hits on the back of the head for safety reasons, lol...thats a lie. They dont allow hits to the back of the head because its too easy. Fans want to see a long fight, not a 10 second pounding. If you're allowed to hit in the back of the head, the fight will be over in a minute. Think about it...if they didnt allow you to hit to the back of the head because of safety reasons, they wouldnt allow you to hit someone in a way where it traumatizes the brain stem, or cuts off blood flow (choke). Didnt think about that, did you? Yes, I know my stuff. If anyone tells you nobody's ever died in these sports, theyre lying. Look it up online, people HAVE died and ruined their lives from it.

Soon, New York will vote on whether or not to legalize mma in their state. Obviously many fans are writing and saying how safe it is, but many reps and state senators are calling it brutal, mindless...but regardless, it may just become legalized (and in my opinion, it will be). Here's why: Money. I have several buddies working on capitol hill who speak with people about all sorts of issues, and i myself know a governor and a few representatives. The ONLY reason the sport of MMA is legalized is simply: Money. It brings the state a lot of money, and a state like New York who could use it, will get lots of it. But rest assured, most government officials ARE opposed to the sport. Yes, people get hurt in all sports, but only in combat sports, do people get hurt PURPOSELY. There was a poll that went around in new york, and 67% of residents said they didnt want this sport legalized, and over 70% of the legislature said the same, BUT...they said it would bring money to the state. That'll be a huge shame, putting money over morals. But im not worried....because there are so many whiny parents out there who wont let their kids watch porn or Rated R movies, and the moment they see this stuff mainstreamed on channel 4, theyll complain. And who knows, it may get banned all over. Out of the 37 states its legalized in, 31 of the governors, think the sport is brutal, barbaric, and violent (i do my research). The government tries to make laws against abuse, violence, bullying....why on EARTH would they allow this stuff then?? Money. The only reason it seems like many people enjoy these sports, is because you never hear from the people who are opposed to it. I guarantee if people went to the polls in every state and voted on election day to ban or not ban it, itd get banned in at least 40 states. I have family in many redneck/country areas, and they tell me all the time that nobody they know likes these sports. So fighters, be glad the only reason your sport is legal, is because of the money, lol.

Is that not enough? Try this: In July, the chairman of the new york state athletic commission was removed as chairman (he was very much opposed to mma). Two days later, the governor (fight fan) announced that a person whom is a vocal proponent of MMA would chair the commission. Hmm.......are you thinking what im thinking? I withheld names for privacy purposes. Not to mention even the dean of sportswriters, and the heads of boxing organizations are opposed to MMA. A few representatives who voted against MMA, received threats....wow, that doesnt show much "respect" or "discipline" does it? Some fight fans will say the violence rate dropped when MMA was legalized, but let me explain why. Because beforehand, people were fighting on the streets where cops could arrest them. Now, those people are fighting inside (and for sport), so cops cant arrest them, lol. So actually, the violence rate is on the rise...you just dont see it!

Have you ever looked up in a dictionary what "martial arts" means? It means "art of war". Hmmm, art of war? Why is "art of war" being taught to people who arent in war, or to 5 year olds? Are they going to war?
Over and over again, people in these sports talk about how safe it is, how its MUCH safer than gymnastics, soccer, hockey, etc. Compare the amount of blood spilt in martial arts, to soccer. Compare the amount of people passed out in MMA, to gymnastics. NOW which is worse? What fight fans dont realize is, the long term effects of this stuff. They think its "cool" to watch guys fight barbarically, but they dont understand what its doing to their bodies, the science behind it.

If soccer, football, hockey, etc has more injuries, perhaps its because soccer/football/hockey players compete on a WEEKLY basis for HOURS. Whereas in all these violent sports, they compete every month or every few months for 5-15 minutes.

So martial arts teaches balance, focus, concentration, coordination, body conditioning (along with every other sport lol). So how come some fighters get winded and knocked out in minutes, yet football and soccer players can go for hours and still be full power. How come Brock Lesnar went out for football and couldnt even make the practice squad for the Vikings? Try being a Tour De France cyclist, see if you can cycle for 8 hours up and down mountains. I dare you, fighters.

Martial arts isnt stupid? So why did Chuck Lidell say in an NBC interview, "we wouldnt be doing this stuff if we didnt have issues". Look it up on you tube.

Many times, martial art people try to say, "its about self defense. If someone came in your home and tried to attack your mother, would u just sit there?"....uhh, what does some criminal intruding in my house and attacking my mother, have to do with me getting in a cage with some random guy who did nothing to me?

Why do people enjoy martial arts so much? Because they enjoy violent entertainment. What, do you REALLY think the fans watch it for any other reason? You wonder why you never hear the crowd cheering when the fighters are standing and staring, yet when one guy is on the floor pounding the other one repeatedly, the whooole crowd cheers as the top of their lungs. Because thats what they want, to see a pounding. And when a guy gets knocked out, everyone cheers. Now in most other sports, everyone is in silence and wondering if the guy is okay if he passes out.

What exactly is the benefit of martial arts? Tell me how this "discipline, mental toughness, coordination, balance"...is useful in your life? Please, because whenever I ask, I dont get an answer, and a few times Ive been kicked out of gyms when I asked. Are they hiding something? People these days are not capable of being disciplined. BUT, studies have shown that video games can improve mentality, coordinaton, focus. So can fish oil! So can ANY other sport, lol.

Martial Arts is a foreign "sport". The people who enjoy these sports the most, are usually....yes, country people, rednecks, southerners, people who live in the midwest, hicks, etc. Now correct me if im wrong, but dont THOSE people in particular, despise foreigners? So why on EARTH would they like "martial arts" then, seeing as how its a "foreign" sport? They hate soccer, hockey, etc. They like martial arts because they enjoy watching brutality and violence.

Some say they take it to give themselves control so they don’t bully, and that’s sad (and a lie). I had perfect control before I took classes.
Ive read articles, ive spoken to trainers, instructors, and the consensus is…martial arts, boxing, kickboxing are USELESS on the streets. So why teach this stuff if theyre useless in the streets? See, if youre on the streets, you don’t know if someone is gonna attack you, so if you get attacked, youre “off guard”, and you lose. Studies have shown that these simple “self defense” classes that last an hour and show basic techniques, are much more useful than combat sports. Plus, most people on the streets, are not TRAINED. Cage fights are worse than high school fights because you actually know HOW to knock someone out. Also, many various martial art instructors I know, ALSO call mma ruthless and brutal, saying its not what its supposed to be. Many older instructors from the middle east, asia, etc say these sports arent what theyre supposed to be, and becoming more and more violent. Many wrestlers I know, dont even like them.

Some instructors try to say that fighting is human nature, that even animals do it.....well wow, its surely not MY nature, lol. Ive been in this world for a looooong time, and never once needed to "fight". They compare it to the days of Jesus, or the Gladiators in Rome, where people killed each other...and thats sick. Do you REALLY think God approves of two people fighting for no reason whatsoever?

You want to know why the people who do it, enjoy mma and all those sports? Because their people who love fighting. So they view this as a way of fighting legally, committing assault and getting away with it. In order to make it legal, these instructors CANT say its about fighting and bloodshed, they HAVE TO say its about confidence, control, etc...otherwise itd be banned in a heartbeat, lol. And since these instructors and lovers KNOW that people believe everything they hear, they go after the younger people mostly, but hey, adults can be dumb too. And then when girls come in, the instructors try to make them think we live in a violent world where self defense is a MUST, when its not (i know tons of women who've never been attacked). The instructors make you think you're a "warrior".....oh really? Warriors right now, are in Iraq and Afghanistan. How come you're not there then? No, sorry to break it to you, but you combat sport lovers are NOT warriors.

Not to mention, almost every medical association alive, speaks AGAINST the sport. Almost every doctor, speaks AGAINST the sport. I wonder why. Id rather trust a doctor than some bloodshed loving guy. And those docs who do speak FOR it, are usually the younger ones who are still drunks and living the "party life". Even many ringside doctors are against it! The only reason they do it is because they get paid damn well to be ringside doctors.

Feel free to pass it on if you agree. Heck, send it to your state government. Ive researched this stuff left and right, and there is overwhelming evidence to be able to ban it completely, but like I said earlier, its not banned because it brings MONEY in, thats the only reason why! My life goal is to get all these sports banned (Unless they decide to make stronger rules like the ones I wrote.) And i think anyone who is opposed to it, needs to take a big stand against it. Not JUST mma.


What a rant.... I've wrestled my whole life and have trained in martial arts. You're entitled to your opinion but my friend, mma is here to stay and should. If you don't like it, don't watch it. It has given wrestlers, boxers, martial artists another outlet to make a living. Why all the hate? Must have been a kicker...ha!

1 dol fan
06-09-2009, 07:11 PM
he never, ever replies. that's why i bring up the aids test thing every time b/c that thread was fugging hilarious - how he didn't reply to some of that stuff is mind bottling. i don't get why he takes the time to do this every month or so and never answers anybody. the aids thread was the best.
I need to know which thread that was...

BobDole
06-09-2009, 07:12 PM
I need to know which thread that was...

i just searched for it - found it - and laughed my *** off once again. i'll put a new post in it so it comes back for all to see.

GoonBoss
06-09-2009, 07:14 PM
What a rant.... I've wrestled my whole life and have trained in martial arts. You're entitled to your opinion but my friend, mma is here to stay and should. If you don't like it, don't watch it. It has given wrestlers, boxers, martial artists another outlet to make a living. Why all the hate? Must have been a kicker...ha!

He was a kicker...or a fullback....Depending on if you believe his sig or his opening paragraph.

Gonzo
06-09-2009, 07:22 PM
he never, ever replies. that's why i bring up the aids test thing every time b/c that thread was fugging hilarious - how he didn't reply to some of that stuff is mind bottling. i don't get why he takes the time to do this every month or so and never answers anybody. the aids thread was the best.
Careful, or he's not inviting you to the Kicking Federation's annual Christmas party.

BobDole
06-09-2009, 07:27 PM
Careful, or he's not inviting you to the Kicking Federation's annual Christmas party.

apparently, all they do is work out and share dirty needles so no biggie. maybe next year. :lol:

Gonzo
06-09-2009, 07:36 PM
apparently, all they do is work out and share dirty needles so no biggie. maybe next year. :lol:
You're still a virgin if it's a broomstick.

1 dol fan
06-09-2009, 07:41 PM
apparently, all they do is work out and share dirty needles so no biggie. maybe next year. :lol:
I realized why Kickers are always so small... they are on the MethAids Diet!

BobDole
06-09-2009, 07:41 PM
You're still a virgin if it's a broomstick.

plus, if a broomstick gets inserted into your *** - and no one is there to see it - it never really happened. but you might still get aids.

1 dol fan
06-09-2009, 07:42 PM
plus, if a broomstick gets inserted into your *** - and no one is there to see it - it never really happened. but you might still get aids.
And splinters....

Gonzo
06-09-2009, 07:49 PM
plus, if a broomstick gets inserted into your *** - and no one is there to see it - it never really happened. but you might still get aids.only if you go *** to mouth. Then you get aids and bad breath, and who wants to wrestle a kicker with bad breath?

BobDole
06-09-2009, 07:55 PM
only if you go *** to mouth. Then you get aids and bad breath, and who wants to wrestle a kicker with bad breath?

you NEVER go *** to mouth. never.

well ... sometimes, in the heat of the moment, it's forgivable to go *** to mouth.

Gonzo
06-09-2009, 08:57 PM
you NEVER go *** to mouth. never.

well ... sometimes, in the heat of the moment, it's forgivable to go *** to mouth.
even then, your still a virgin! I lernded that in abstinence class!

Bumpus
06-10-2009, 01:17 PM
:lol:
Damn Pillowpants!

BobDole
06-10-2009, 04:46 PM
:lol:
Damn Pillowpants!

don't forget listerfiend. movie was great.

tylerdolphin
06-10-2009, 05:37 PM
I swear this dude posted nearly this same thread a while ago. Bashing boxing/martial arts. Either that or Im seriously tripping out.

And yea, I remember the AIDS thread lol. Good stuff.

Clipse
06-10-2009, 10:59 PM
Boxing/Martial Arts won't get banned. It is a great sport. Saying that the people who enjoy it the most are the "redneck" type is a completely ignorant statement in which you have no proof, and which probably isn't true anyways. My opinion? Get a life. Just because you probably got your *** kicked quite a few times doesn't mean you have to go and hate on MMA and Boxing. Just my humble opinion of course.

GoonBoss
06-10-2009, 11:09 PM
Gents.....This is what makes Finheaven Finheaven. Sadly, we won't be hearing from this poster again, but, my...What epic threads he left us with.

BobDole
06-10-2009, 11:11 PM
Gents.....This is what makes Finheaven Finheaven. Sadly, we won't be hearing from this poster again, but, my...What epic threads he left us with.

so ... he did have aids.

GoonBoss
06-10-2009, 11:13 PM
so ... he did have aids.

Something like that :lol:

Gonzo
06-10-2009, 11:17 PM
Something like that :lol:Swine Flu?

1 dol fan
06-10-2009, 11:40 PM
Swine Flu?
Speaking of The Swine, some kid in my school got it. We didn't even get out of school. If only the media would have ignored the world (like usual) and kept on overhyping it...