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biggiesmalls3k1
07-01-2009, 09:27 PM
I decided to start up a thread so we could all centralize the happenings in the 2009 offseason in the NBA throughout the Summer and early Fall.

The Pistons have been the busiest team from the outset as they fired their Head Coach and now they have fired the first shots of free agency in coming to terms with Ben Gordon (5 Yrs/55 mill) and Charlie Villanueva (5 Yrs/40 mill). Both pretty solid moves although I dont think Gordon is worth 11 million a year. They will be losing Rasheed so Villanueva is a good young alternative.

Thoughts?

kud
07-01-2009, 10:51 PM
My thought is I don't like to see Detroit improving but it looks like they are. Gordon will be scary with Rip and Prince. Sheed seems to be on the decline, Nueva is basicly the younger and a little more versatile version of him.

Ferretsquig
07-01-2009, 11:26 PM
I don't know what Dumars is thinking. Villanueva is not a 'Sheed clone by any stretch of the imagination. For all his faults, Wallace is one of the best defensive bigs in the game......Villanueva has never even tried on that end of the court. Theres a reason why the Bucks didn't bother to tender him an offer.

KDog13
07-02-2009, 03:57 AM
Wow The Pistons Just Got Better And Really Are Going To Regret No Billups Cause They Would Be A Beast Team

cafinfan408
07-02-2009, 06:36 AM
I don't know what Dumars is thinking. Villanueva is not a 'Sheed clone by any stretch of the imagination. For all his faults, Wallace is one of the best defensive bigs in the game......Villanueva has never even tried on that end of the court. Theres a reason why the Bucks didn't bother to tender him an offer.

The bucks dont have any money.
Im kinda shocked they drafted a big name like Brandon they are gonna have to cash out.
I feel bad for Mike Redd he is my fav NBA player and he is stuck in Mil.
I doubt they even offer Bogut anything when his contract is up

ChambersWI
07-02-2009, 07:05 AM
The bucks dont have any money.
Im kinda shocked they drafted a big name like Brandon they are gonna have to cash out.
I feel bad for Mike Redd he is my fav NBA player and he is stuck in Mil.
I doubt they even offer Bogut anything when his contract is up

Bogut got an extension last year. The Bucks don't even want Redd anymore. They offered him the max, and he's ended up more of a cancer than a leader. The Bucks don't have money right now and that's because of moves like giving Redd the max, and giving Dan Gadzuric a huge deal. That being said, the new Bucks regime wants to rebuild and are choosing who they want to rebuild around.

That being said, Gordon and Villanueva are both talented scorers, but neither are great defenders.

Clipse
07-02-2009, 04:19 PM
Gordon isn't a bad move for Detroit. Only question is who will start between him and Rip? Could Rip be traded? The Pistons absolutely need a big who can defend and their have been rumors about Samuel Dalembert possibly being moved to Detroit in a deal that will bring Rip to Philly.

As for Villanueva. Not worth the money. Decent shooter who can't defend one bit. If Detroit doesn't find a good defensive big to replace Sheed, they're in trouble.

X-Pacolypse
07-02-2009, 09:07 PM
If Ron Artest joins the Lakers, then all the talk of Cleveland being the team to beat in 2010 is null and void. Artest in a Lakers uniform? That's just unfair.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4303679&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines

Ferretsquig
07-02-2009, 09:26 PM
I don't see how Artest is all that much better than Ariza in the role they'll ask him to play.

CedarPhin
07-02-2009, 11:39 PM
I figured Cleveland would end up either Ariza or Artest...I was wrong.

nuttie_buddie
07-03-2009, 01:42 AM
I don't see how Artest is all that much better than Ariza in the role they'll ask him to play.

its is very easy to see the differents...a 9 point differents average...he is a matchup problem and plays great d...he is also bigger..put it this way rather have artest covering kobe then ariza...

detriot on the other hand two good moves...i like Nueva better than wallace as a scorer...he is more consistent on the offensive of side and wallace is on his way down...gordon will provides offense off the bench and could possibly start...also makes rip tradable...i love rip but if they are going younger i could see that...another rumor out there is rip for chandler from the hornets..which i would love...and that would replace wallace's d to a certain degree...but if it stays the way it does...the pistons would need to out score the teams they play....which adding 37 points a game could be possible against some teams..

cafinfan408
07-03-2009, 08:15 AM
Bogut got an extension last year. The Bucks don't even want Redd anymore. They offered him the max, and he's ended up more of a cancer than a leader. The Bucks don't have money right now and that's because of moves like giving Redd the max, and giving Dan Gadzuric a huge deal. That being said, the new Bucks regime wants to rebuild and are choosing who they want to rebuild around.

That being said, Gordon and Villanueva are both talented scorers, but neither are great defenders.

Yea i didnt remember if bogut signed that or not.
Redd is def not a star number 1 player in the league but in the right system he will score 20 a game easy.
Scott is a nice coach I hope he gets the right players.

Dan Gadzuric is a joke. I wish they could of kept Mo Will.
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2009/07/marcuscambydunksondangadzuric-1.jpg

Ferretsquig
07-03-2009, 10:58 AM
its is very easy to see the differents...a 9 point differents average...he is a matchup problem and plays great d...he is also bigger..put it this way rather have artest covering kobe then ariza..

I thought Battier was doing a much better job on Kobe than Artest. Either way they're both quality defenders....Ariza has more length, Artest more strength.

But Artest is a very inefficient scorer. There are countless players in the NBA who could score 17 pts per game if you gave them enough shots. If hes scoring at that clip with the Lakers it means a trio of far better scorers are getting fewer shot attempts. I'm not so confident that Artest is capable of reducing his offensive output to the level of a role player.

Of course if Odom bails then the Lakers will need his offense.....maybe that's what they're thinking.

Ferretsquig
07-03-2009, 03:39 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4304805

Might work....might not. Both Roy and Turk need the ball in their hands to be effective. But much like Orlando two years ago the Blazers felt they had to sign someone.....next year Roy and Aldridge get their extensions.

moe
07-03-2009, 10:22 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4304805

Might work....might not. Both Roy and Turk need the ball in their hands to be effective. But much like Orlando two years ago the Blazers felt they had to sign someone.....next year Roy and Aldridge get their extensions.

Not so fast...
http://www.thirdquartercollapse.com/2009/7/3/937408/hedo-turkoglu-rejects-blazers-ends

It seems like he's headed to the raptors.

Amars
07-03-2009, 11:18 PM
I thought Battier was doing a much better job on Kobe than Artest. Either way they're both quality defenders....Ariza has more length, Artest more strength.

But Artest is a very inefficient scorer. There are countless players in the NBA who could score 17 pts per game if you gave them enough shots. If hes scoring at that clip with the Lakers it means a trio of far better scorers are getting fewer shot attempts. I'm not so confident that Artest is capable of reducing his offensive output to the level of a role player.

Of course if Odom bails then the Lakers will need his offense.....maybe that's what they're thinking.

Lakers problem aint scoring they got people who can shoot. Its consistent defense.

nuttie_buddie
07-04-2009, 06:47 AM
I thought Battier was doing a much better job on Kobe than Artest. Either way they're both quality defenders....Ariza has more length, Artest more strength.

But Artest is a very inefficient scorer. There are countless players in the NBA who could score 17 pts per game if you gave them enough shots. If hes scoring at that clip with the Lakers it means a trio of far better scorers are getting fewer shot attempts. I'm not so confident that Artest is capable of reducing his offensive output to the level of a role player.

Of course if Odom bails then the Lakers will need his offense.....maybe that's what they're thinking.

totally agree about battier over artest...no agruement here...
however artest, IMP, is better then ariza at defense...also he does have a better three ball which with the talent the Lakers have already is all they need him form him...
I agree he will be a role player and u dont want to take any shots away from anyone on that roster already however this could provide the laker with more of an advantage..for example a night when odom or kobe could be off...artest could catch fire...point being that artest can score twenty points a night were i dont believe ariza could...and can fill that void of points that isnt being scored...
also kobe will not have to guard the opossing teams best player any more leaving more energy for offense which LA would rather see..

Ferretsquig
07-04-2009, 01:36 PM
There's no doubt Artest is a more skilled player than Ariza and can score in a myriad of ways. He just has a habit of getting his shot attempts.....whether hes surrounded by talent or not, he gets his attempts. It may be a good thing when Kobe isn't hitting his jumper or Odom is taking his mental breaks. The question is whether hes capable of becoming that defensive stopper that only takes open spot up threes when the rest of the team is clicking offensively. Hes never shown that discipline anytime in his career.

nuttie_buddie
07-05-2009, 08:02 AM
There's no doubt Artest is a more skilled player than Ariza and can score in a myriad of ways. He just has a habit of getting his shot attempts.....whether hes surrounded by talent or not, he gets his attempts. It may be a good thing when Kobe isn't hitting his jumper or Odom is taking his mental breaks. The question is whether hes capable of becoming that defensive stopper that only takes open spot up threes when the rest of the team is clicking offensively. Hes never shown that discipline anytime in his career.
agreed but has he really ever been on a team where he could show that discipline...i mean the pacers kings and rocket(without tracey for most of the season) do think so...this is the only team were he is the 4th shooter on the roster(with kobe gasol odom before him)..it will be interesting to see thou if he is willing to except his role...if he does lakers could repeat

Amars
07-05-2009, 01:01 PM
He has Phil to keep him discipline. If Phil was able to handle Rodman I wouldnt worry about Artest.

Amars
07-05-2009, 01:55 PM
Nate Robinson to the Lakers. Maybe.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60172/20090629/lakers_kings_front_runners_to_land_nate/


The Lakers and Kings appear to be the front runners to land guard Nate Robinson, a restricted free agent of the Knicks.

get rid of Morrison, Sasha, and Farmar for Nate. The deal could work somehow.

X-Pacolypse
07-05-2009, 10:12 PM
Nate Robinson to the Lakers. Maybe.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60172/20090629/lakers_kings_front_runners_to_land_nate/



get rid of Morrison, Sasha, and Farmar for Nate. The deal could work somehow.

I like that move for the Lakers, but unfortunately Isiah isn't running the Knicks anymore.

nuttie_buddie
07-06-2009, 02:00 PM
Jason Kidd looks to be signing with Dallas 3 yrs for 25 mil

Also rasheed wallace will be a celtic

iverson is still out there but showed interest in the grizzles

Any Thoughts?

Ferretsquig
07-06-2009, 02:48 PM
Love the Wallace signing. 'Sheed has about two solid years left and the Celtics probably have a couple years where they'll contend if the big three can stay upright. Hes going to get on Garnett's nerves with his lackadaisical approach but hes invaluable as a guy who can defend the likes of Duncan, Bynum, Howard, Shaq and company.

nuttie_buddie
07-06-2009, 03:10 PM
Love the Wallace signing. 'Sheed has about two solid years left and the Celtics probably have a couple years where they'll contend if the big three can stay upright. Hes going to get on Garnett's nerves with his lackadaisical approach but hes invaluable as a guy who can defend the likes of Duncan, Bynum, Howard, Shaq and company.
i agree they will be a hard team to beat probably see another lakers and celtics final which would be a good one...

the good thing will be that they will not have to rely on rasheeds offense...cause thats rocky..

Ferretsquig
07-06-2009, 04:18 PM
Wallace is one of the best post players in the league.....only when he feels like it. Lately it seems hes made a habit of hanging around the three point line. Its not a horrible thing....you at least have to respect the shot and it opens up some space for Pierce and Garnett to operate. But turn back the clock before the 8 figure salary and he was a pretty imposing player in the paint.

Ferretsquig
07-09-2009, 12:29 AM
More signings:

Marion to Mavs: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4314637

McDyess to Spurs: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4314974

Bibby re-ups with Atl: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4310653
Zaza re-ups with Atl: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4315036

Varejao with Cavs: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4315370

And Dahntay Jones to Indiana. Cuban is crazy.....

cafinfan408
07-09-2009, 01:10 AM
Just waitin for the Warriors and suns to make the big trade

dreday
07-09-2009, 01:14 AM
Go Spurs Go!! Thank you Peter Holt for building a contender again!

KDog13
07-09-2009, 02:59 AM
cuban is not crazy though i hate him he just built a playoff team Kidd Terry Howard Marion Nowitzki, and We Need To Sign Bass And Get A Good couple of Bench Players And Were Set.

cafinfan408
07-09-2009, 06:38 AM
Yea Dallas and San Antonio are both looking nice again

Ferretsquig
07-09-2009, 09:08 AM
cuban is not crazy though i hate him he just built a playoff team Kidd Terry Howard Marion Nowitzki, and We Need To Sign Bass And Get A Good couple of Bench Players And Were Set.

Yeh he just built a playoff team. Pay a bunch of vets on the downside of their careers exorbitant salaries so you can make the playoffs and maybe make it past the first round. That's some infallible logic.

nuttie_buddie
07-09-2009, 05:23 PM
More signings:

Marion to Mavs: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4314637

McDyess to Spurs: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4314974

Bibby re-ups with Atl: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4310653
Zaza re-ups with Atl: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4315036

Varejao with Cavs: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4315370

And Dahntay Jones to Indiana. Cuban is crazy.....

all thou i like the mavs move i dont believe they can make it out of the first round ot the playoff...saying they arent true championship contenders yet...i still like the lakers spurs nuggets rockets(if tracey n yao are heathly) and even the blazers(younger and more explusive)...

The Spurs however will present problems for the lakers(if their age doesnt catch up with them)..i like Mcdyess signing but i still give the lakers the adventage due to their bench and their three big man(if they resign odom-i dont kno if they did)

nuttie_buddie
07-09-2009, 05:25 PM
Yeh he just built a playoff team. Pay a bunch of vets on the downside of their careers exorbitant salaries so you can make the playoffs and maybe make it past the first round. That's some infallible logic.
i agree but marion is still only 29ish right...

nuttie_buddie
07-09-2009, 05:26 PM
Yea Dallas and San Antonio are both looking nice again
i agree but San Antonio is the one that will compete...Dallas however i have doubts..