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Tetragrammaton
07-07-2009, 04:28 PM
I like music. One band I like is the Clash. They wrote a song called Straight to Hell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS-H5C8VC_A&feature=related

I am a bit of Luddite, and I don't know what people listen to. But I was at a bar last night and I heard this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqlY0VOFtyA

Is new music just a remake of all old music? Apparently, this singer is famous. What gives?

Adam First
07-07-2009, 04:33 PM
M.I.A. isn't considered a hip-hop artist, but that's irrelevant

Paper Planes was successful largely due to its connection to the soundtrack of Slumdog Millionaire

But alot of new music is sampling from old tunes, one example I hate is "Right Round" by Flo Rida (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-y18UJ3j7E), which blatantly steals from "You Spin Me Round" by Dead or Alive (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCiVXigrjjQ)

WVDolphan
07-07-2009, 04:35 PM
I have a universal name for all rappers. Lil Young G-Dogg. The music is all the same and it all blows. And yes, most of them just take songs that were made by actual musicians and either keep the lyrics and add a terrible repetative beat, or change lyrics to the same stupid, non-intellectial **** that is in rap and keep the good music adding some stupid beat to it.

People act like some of these guys are some kind of great voices that tell us whats going on in the hood when in reality its a bunch of bs. Its just a bunch of stupid lingo. The rappers cant sing, thats why they talk through the whole song. Then to try and make the **** rhyme they say a bunch of stupid **** that makes no sense yet people eat it up.

Rap blows and anyone creating a rap album should be beaten publicly by tire irons or crowbars or something similar.

ih8brady
07-07-2009, 04:37 PM
Not hip-hop/rap fan, but cheap rip-offs are cheap and lame regardless of genre. Straight to Hell is incredible, though. A lot of groups/singers have been ripped off, though.

BobDole
07-07-2009, 04:39 PM
i can't explain what i do not understand. it used to be music. now - not so much. if i wanted to intentionally lower my I.Q., i'd watch MTV.

SpurzN703
07-07-2009, 04:48 PM
M.I.A. isn't considered a hip-hop artist, but that's irrelevant

Paper Planes was successful largely due to its connection to the soundtrack of Slumdog Millionaire

But alot of new music is sampling from old tunes, one example I hate is "Right Round" by Flo Rida (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-y18UJ3j7E), which blatantly steals from "You Spin Me Round" by Dead or Alive (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCiVXigrjjQ)

Paper Planes was in Pineapple Express, well, the commercials at least.

Rap sucks now. I grew up on Snoop, Dr. Dre, BIG and 2-Pac. I haven't liked rap in years now

SpaceMountain16
07-07-2009, 04:49 PM
Quality Rap/Hip-Hop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fumgOJLFSHw

Most modern stuff = Not.

CedarPhin
07-07-2009, 05:17 PM
It all sounds the same now.

CedarPhin
07-07-2009, 05:17 PM
No character whatsoever.

Nawledge
07-07-2009, 05:19 PM
the "rap" on the radio is terrible...


i picked this artist to put links up for because he raps over a song that samples Journeys "Dont Stop Believin'"


this is real hip hop...real topics good rhymes


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWWpBWG3Zwo&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxbl25FE1ZA&feature=related

Vaark
07-07-2009, 06:43 PM
this was one of the very few and probably the last rap song I ever liked:

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canesandbhoys
07-07-2009, 07:06 PM
I resisted doing this in the last thread that this subject appeared in, but...

First off, I understand completely why most of you say: you hate rap with a passion, stupid music, rappers are..., blah blah blah. Most of you sound like you are about the age to have grown up with amazing music (Zeppelin, Hendrix, etc.) Fortunately I stumbled upon this music and I can honestly say it played a serious role in who I am now.

I now mostly listen to rap (WAIT! Before you stop reading, I am going somewhere with this) The likely reason you think Rap is less than garbage is because all you hear of it is what is on the radio and television. This "music" is f**king terrible. The reason is almost all of it is meant to be sold as singles and as ringtones. This lust for more money and less artistic integrity and musical honesty is the same reason every type of music has gone downhill in the last 30+ years.

Let me throw a name out there: Lil Wayne. (Booooo! GARBAGE!) The "tragedy" in his case is that he is on a hasty decline, because he is trying to be more profitable. ALL of his recent commercially produced and sold music is trash. However, he is without a doubt one of my favorite rappers, because of the music he makes outside of the mainstream. His mixtapes and freestyles truly have earned him the right to say he is "The Greatest Rapper Alive." But I guarantee you most of you have never heard what I am talking about, because it has never and will never reach a mainstream audience. I suppose it's better that way.

DO NOT just say that every rapper is out for the money, that no rapper has more insight into a particular situation than anyone else, that every single rapper should be "beaten publicly with tire irons." Lest you remember that your favorite music was once frowned upon by a prior generation.

I'll probably add more to this later...

Arsenal WV
07-07-2009, 07:11 PM
This was actually a good rap song

R.I.P. ODB


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ITLNzPoEqs

BobDole
07-07-2009, 07:18 PM
I resisted doing this in the last thread that this subject appeared in, but...

First off, I understand completely why most of you say: you hate rap with a passion, stupid music, rappers are..., blah blah blah. Most of you sound like you are about the age to have grown up with amazing music (Zeppelin, Hendrix, etc.) Fortunately I stumbled upon this music and I can honestly say it played a serious role in who I am now.

I now mostly listen to rap (WAIT! Before you stop reading, I am going somewhere with this) The likely reason you think Rap is less than garbage is because all you hear of it is what is on the radio and television. This "music" is f**king terrible. The reason is almost all of it is meant to be sold as singles and as ringtones. This lust for more money and less artistic integrity and musical honesty is the same reason every type of music has gone downhill in the last 30+ years.

Let me throw a name out there: Lil Wayne. (Booooo! GARBAGE!) The "tragedy" in his case is that he is on a hasty decline, because he is trying to be more profitable. ALL of his recent commercially produced and sold music is trash. However, he is without a doubt one of my favorite rappers, because of the music he makes outside of the mainstream. His mixtapes and freestyles truly have earned him the right to say he is "The Greatest Rapper Alive." But I guarantee you most of you have never heard what I am talking about, because it has never and will never reach a mainstream audience. I suppose it's better that way.

DO NOT just say that every rapper is out for the money, that no rapper has more insight into a particular situation than anyone else, that every single rapper should be "beaten publicly with tire irons." Lest you remember that your favorite music was once frowned upon by a prior generation.

I'll probably add more to this later...

well said. i grew up on stuff like the pharcyde, the lost boyz, the luneez, snoop, bone thugs n harmony, etc. and i used to love it. but the substance of that kind of music - which wasn't all that high to begin with - has just dropped off completely. and i'm not talking about the mainstream stuff (i have friends that have kept the hope alive :lol:). people that like it are getting younger - then rappers make the music even more mindless to appeal to dumb suburban kids - and it just becomes a never ending cycle of stupidity. i have a few friends that constantly play 'new good stuff' to try to get me to come back to the darkside - but it just doesn't take.

or maybe i just outgrew it. who knows.

Finfang
07-07-2009, 07:50 PM
well said. i grew up on stuff like the pharcyde, the lost boyz, the luneez, snoop, bone thugs n harmony, etc. and i used to love it. but the substance of that kind of music - which wasn't all that high to begin with - has just dropped off completely. and i'm not talking about the mainstream stuff (i have friends that have kept the hope alive :lol:). people that like it are getting younger - then rappers make the music even more mindless to appeal to dumb suburban kids - and it just becomes a never ending cycle of stupidity. i have a few friends that constantly play 'new good stuff' to try to get me to come back to the darkside - but it just doesn't take.

or maybe i just outgrew it. who knows.

It has always been this way it is really nothing new. I'm not trying to offend anyone here so please don't take it as a racist comment. Who do you think buys those millions of records. That's right the majority are white suburban kids. Do you really think the kids from the ghetto buy all those records.

I hate all forms of rap music but I'll sure give it an A in marketability. When you can take a musical concept that is famous in inner city streets and distribute it and make it popular to all of America and all over the world you have done something right.

Honestly I think rap is the single most harmful influence musically that we have ever seen. It serves no purpose other than to offend.

Just my opinion.

canesandbhoys
07-07-2009, 08:03 PM
It has always been this way it is really nothing new. I'm not trying to offend anyone here so please don't take it as a racist comment. Who do you think buys those millions of records. That's right the majority are white suburban kids. Do you really think the kids from the ghetto buy all those records.

I hate all forms of rap music but I'll sure give it an A in marketability. When you can take a musical concept that is famous in inner city streets and distribute it and make it popular to all of America and all over the world you have done something right.

Honestly I think rap is the single most harmful influence musically that we have ever seen. It serves no purpose other than to offend.

Just my opinion.

I'm not trying to make a personal attack, but people who say this sort of thing make themselves sound stupid. I can give you a nearly endless list of rappers who destroy your argument.

Example: Atmosphere (It's even a white guy that does the rapping) He is an amazing rapper with a lot of social insight. Most of his music is about the negative side of substance abuse and other day-to-day issues.

Another example is KRS-ONE. He speaks more on political issues. Not the typical, Young Jeezy, Obama=God type of political issues; he is very level headed and, for the most part, has a pretty honest view of how things are going in this country.

BobDole
07-07-2009, 08:04 PM
It has always been this way it is really nothing new. I'm not trying to offend anyone here so please don't take it as a racist comment. Who do you think buys those millions of records. That's right the majority are white suburban kids. Do you really think the kids from the ghetto buy all those records.

I hate all forms of rap music but I'll sure give it an A in marketability. When you can take a musical concept that is famous in inner city streets and distribute it and make it popular to all of America and all over the world you have done something right.

Honestly I think rap is the single most harmful influence musically that we have ever seen. It serves no purpose other than to offend.

Just my opinion.

mine wasn't a racist comment either, just to clarify.

Finfang
07-07-2009, 08:23 PM
I'm not trying to make a personal attack, but people who say this sort of thing make themselves sound stupid. I can give you a nearly endless list of rappers who destroy your argument.

Example: Atmosphere (It's even a white guy that does the rapping) He is an amazing rapper with a lot of social insight. Most of his music is about the negative side of substance abuse and other day-to-day issues.

Another example is KRS-ONE. He speaks more on political issues. Not the typical, Young Jeezy, Obama=God type of political issues; he is very level headed and, for the most part, has a pretty honest view of how things are going in this country.

I don't take that as a personal attack at all. Maybe I did generalize but I'll be the first to say I'm extremely close minded when it comes to that genre.
All I have to do is look around. I'm sure there are exceptions to the rule but rap music has been a negative influence on society IMO. I see it everywhere. Kids who want to be gansters, they want the money, the fame and most of the time that mentality creates nothing but trouble. Once again my intent is not to offend anyone I am just stating my opinion.

canesandbhoys
07-07-2009, 08:34 PM
Since I didn't really give much of a reply to the OP, I'll say that I wouldn't necessarily call M.I.A. a rapper. I can see the connection you are making in the sound, but I wouldn't necessarily call it a remake either.

When it comes to these types of situations, I go back to a criticism I had of rap before I ever started listening to it. It is primarily spoken word, and most of it has very little use of real instruments played by the artists themselves. Therefore, they must find other parts of music (called samples) and edit and use them to make melodies and beats. Believe me, the fact that rap "steals" other musicians' ideas aggravated me for the longest time. I eventually realized that rap was more about the words than music. But now, it's more about the dances, cars, clothes, and money.

canesandbhoys
07-07-2009, 08:49 PM
As far as the youth argument goes, I have a hard time taking any of it seriously. XXL Magazine published a Top 10 Freshmen issue (http://theexactly.net/2008/10/20/word-xxl-top-10-freshmen-cover/), which featured 10 up-and-coming artists (Kid Cudi is currently my favorite artist). I listen to most of them regularly, and most of them are absolutely nothing like Soulja Boy, or any of the other ridiculous figures in rap right now who make the genre look like a joke. I will agree that more than a majority of the youth in America are f***ing stupid (sorry if it's offensive, it's the truth) and do not care one bit about a deep feeling or thought, much less what is happening in the political, economic, and political situations in this country. An increasingly idiotic and hedonistic mass audience is the reason people like Soulja Boy are flourishing. (Can you tell that I hate Soulja Boy yet?)

I should probably mention, I am 18 years old.

#1 Fan
07-07-2009, 09:22 PM
completely agree about lil wayne. perfect example of what commercialism has done, not only to rap, but all of music.

if you listen to wayne's free stuff it's awesome. his "paid albums" are meant to be sold to common demonators and turned into ringtones.

for everyone bashing rap though, i'm willing to say that all genres of music suck now and it's because of the need to sell singles and ringtones.

also, as for sampling, rockers did it too. put on a beatles album and tell me you don't hear chuck berry riffs.

#1 Fan
07-07-2009, 09:26 PM
ok, now to completely squash rap's credibility (the chorus is catchy though):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtO0MDC4PgM

SpurzN703
07-07-2009, 10:21 PM
I'm not trying to make a personal attack, but people who say this sort of thing make themselves sound stupid. I can give you a nearly endless list of rappers who destroy your argument.

Example: Atmosphere (It's even a white guy that does the rapping) He is an amazing rapper with a lot of social insight. Most of his music is about the negative side of substance abuse and other day-to-day issues.

Another example is KRS-ONE. He speaks more on political issues. Not the typical, Young Jeezy, Obama=God type of political issues; he is very level headed and, for the most part, has a pretty honest view of how things are going in this country.

There would be a huge list of rappers who support the argument too. Nobody wins

canesandbhoys
07-07-2009, 10:32 PM
There would be a huge list of rappers who support the argument too. Nobody wins

Yeah, clearly. But that's the point. For every shallow, stupid, ignorant rapper there is one who really has talent, good musical sense, and a brain.

However, which of the two does the mass public think represents rap?

Amars
07-08-2009, 03:12 AM
I cant stand today music. Reason why i listen to sports talk all day. In regards to rap I was lucky enough to be in middle school/ high school when Snoop, 2pac, NWA, Public Enemy, Ice Cube, Dre, Notorious BIG came up. Rap will never be as good as it was then. To much southern rap now. Dont really enjoy it at all.

Possum
07-08-2009, 03:18 AM
Paper Planes was in Pineapple Express, well, the commercials at least.

Rap sucks now. I grew up on Snoop, Dr. Dre, BIG and 2-Pac. I haven't liked rap in years now
rap as turned into movies. nothing new and exciting is being produced so they turn to old stuff for their ideas, and then complete destroy them.

JCane
07-08-2009, 03:22 AM
I grew up on 80's Punk. Never liked rap music. I just can't figure out what's appealing about lyrics that promote drugs, violence, killing, 40 ounces, big screen TV's, donks, candy paint, the size of their penis and/or balls, and smacking hoes.

Toilet.

d-day
07-08-2009, 03:27 AM
hip hop used to be so different - it used to be more about the creativity, the vibe, the message and the music - i grew up listening to the digable planets, a tribe called quest and de la soul - nobody was selling out then because back then there wasn't a market or the exposure for it - it was hard enough for them to just get played - if someone asked me what real good hip hop was about, i would tell them to start there

Possum
07-08-2009, 03:28 AM
Depressing point is at the end of the day they will go home, or to their "crib", with more money then me, all because people eat up the idiotic, i cant understand a word there saying, crap they put out.

canesandbhoys
07-08-2009, 04:08 AM
I grew up on 80's Punk. Never liked rap music. I just can't figure out what's appealing about lyrics that promote drugs, violence, killing, 40 ounces, big screen TV's, donks, candy paint, the size of their penis and/or balls, and smacking hoes.

Toilet.

Do I really need to point out the irony in that post?

JCane
07-08-2009, 04:15 AM
Do I really need to point out the irony in that post?



...I think so.

JCane
07-08-2009, 04:55 AM
Unless you are listening to Minor Threat and the other Straight Edge bands of the time (IMO, the best this period has to offer, as I myself am Edge), much of this genre promotes many of the things you frown upon when present in rap.

Black Flag isn't promoting that stuff. Dead Kennedys never did. Not even the Sex Pistols. The philosophical foundation of Punk was built on peace and a government anarchy. DIY is very prominent in the Punk movement. It was never about violence and hate like the media would have you believe with images of tattoos and mohawks. Anti-establishment beliefs brought these people together. Punk was an action to political beliefs. And even the Punk community was divided amonst the far-right NeoCons such as Agnostic Front and the far-left liberals such as Minor Threat that you mentioned but common ground could be found between the two in peace and anarchy. Rap primarily promotoes individual wealth and value based on possessions. Punk was always in the less is more, stay pure, stay poor, line of thinking. Punk and Rap aren't comparable AT ALL.

cafinfan408
07-08-2009, 08:02 AM
Im a rapper. I have youtube videos but for the sake of us I wont post a link.

Dolphins7273
07-08-2009, 11:40 AM
I like this song. Will Smith totally butchered Rock The Casbah when he sampled the music for one of his crappy songs, though.

#1 Fan
07-08-2009, 02:51 PM
Black Flag isn't promoting that stuff. Dead Kennedys never did. Not even the Sex Pistols. The philosophical foundation of Punk was built on peace and a government anarchy. DIY is very prominent in the Punk movement. It was never about violence and hate like the media would have you believe with images of tattoos and mohawks. Anti-establishment beliefs brought these people together. Punk was an action to political beliefs. And even the Punk community was divided amonst the far-right NeoCons such as Agnostic Front and the far-left liberals such as Minor Threat that you mentioned but common ground could be found between the two in peace and anarchy. Rap primarily promotoes individual wealth and value based on possessions. Punk was always in the less is more, stay pure, stay poor, line of thinking. Punk and Rap aren't comparable AT ALL.


sounds a lot like rap . . .

canesandbhoys
07-08-2009, 05:01 PM
Black Flag isn't promoting that stuff. Dead Kennedys never did. Not even the Sex Pistols. The philosophical foundation of Punk was built on peace and a government anarchy. DIY is very prominent in the Punk movement. It was never about violence and hate like the media would have you believe with images of tattoos and mohawks. Anti-establishment beliefs brought these people together. Punk was an action to political beliefs. And even the Punk community was divided amonst the far-right NeoCons such as Agnostic Front and the far-left liberals such as Minor Threat that you mentioned but common ground could be found between the two in peace and anarchy. Rap primarily promotoes individual wealth and value based on possessions. Punk was always in the less is more, stay pure, stay poor, line of thinking. Punk and Rap aren't comparable AT ALL.

You are absolutely right. I worded that wrong. It wasn't being promoted, but the members of some of the more prominent punk bands were into drugs and alcohol (even Black Flag towards the end). When you say punk, one of the first names that come to mind is Iggy. I doubt I need to go any further with that point.

But, at the other end of the spectrum, you have guys like Henry Rollins and Ian MacKaye who actively criticized and discouraged this kind of lifestyle. That's the point I'm trying to make. It is ignorant and illogical to make generalizations about an entire genre; because, even if the majority behaves in this way, there are more than a few objectors who hate being portrayed in this manner.

canesandbhoys
07-08-2009, 05:14 PM
sounds a lot like rap . . .

No, not really. The majority of rappers like to talk about how much money, cars, and clothes they have. That is part of what drew me to hardcore punk in the first place, as many bands criticized this way of thinking.

In reality, it's all about finding what is right for you. Find the things in life that you can relate to and that you like. You don't have to shut yourself in a box, but you shouldn't put others in one either. I'm not telling anyone what to do, or how to live their life, but it is a good idea to keep your mind open and keep yourself honest. It will likely make you much more knowledgeable, well-rounded and well-liked as a person.

SpurzN703
07-08-2009, 05:15 PM
I cant stand today music. Reason why i listen to sports talk all day. In regards to rap I was lucky enough to be in middle school/ high school when Snoop, 2pac, NWA, Public Enemy, Ice Cube, Dre, Notorious BIG came up. Rap will never be as good as it was then. To much southern rap now. Dont really enjoy it at all.

+1 (Me too)

#1 Fan
07-08-2009, 06:12 PM
No, not really. The majority of rappers like to talk about how much money, cars, and clothes they have. That is part of what drew me to hardcore punk in the first place, as many bands criticized this way of thinking.

In reality, it's all about finding what is right for you. Find the things in life that you can relate to and that you like. You don't have to shut yourself in a box, but you shouldn't put others in one either. I'm not telling anyone what to do, or how to live their life, but it is a good idea to keep your mind open and keep yourself honest. It will likely make you much more knowledgeable, well-rounded and well-liked as a person.


i meant the origin and how the genre is stigmatized.