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The Furminister
07-27-2009, 03:36 PM
According to nfl.com
Breaking News
Vick reinstated by NFL
The NFL has reinstated Michael Vick on a conditional basis, the league announced Monday. The former Falcons QB will be considered for full reinstatement and to play in regular-season games by Week 6.

Krie30511
07-27-2009, 03:56 PM
So he's back, Do we want him??

$lillew#27$
07-27-2009, 04:01 PM
thats not good week 6 is way to far and vick had enough punishment

emeraldfin
07-27-2009, 04:05 PM
No surprise there.

Chubby
07-27-2009, 04:06 PM
Good for him, there is no room for him on this roster right now. Doesnt mean by mid to end of TC things could change.
Chubbs

Scrap
07-27-2009, 04:06 PM
I'd rather get a scorching case of herpes.

Chubby
07-27-2009, 04:09 PM
I wonder if Godell ever got his in personal Apology? Egotistical Mother Fudger, I hope this commish crashes and burns.
Chubbs

KTOWNFINFAN
07-27-2009, 04:11 PM
I'd rather get a scorching case of herpes.
But by signing him you could get both.

23EmilioVasquez
07-27-2009, 04:12 PM
well as long as he don't go to patriots I don't care where he goes

napsndreds
07-27-2009, 04:13 PM
nice...lets make some moves FO!

napsndreds
07-27-2009, 04:14 PM
But by signing him you could get both.

lol@ someone wanting herpes over the dolphins signing vick...I believe this guy too

SRM
07-27-2009, 04:16 PM
So he's back, Do we want him??

...

ArmyFin7
07-27-2009, 04:17 PM
So according to John Clayton, Vicks phone is already ringing....sounds like he will at least get some workouts...

NRA
07-27-2009, 04:19 PM
this is sad news indeed.

do we want him? what kind of question is that?

why would we want a social and sponsor killer
like mike vick on our team?

i personally dont want to see his degenerate azz
on my tv screen every sunday no way, no how!!

we would lose sponsors, endorsers, fans, as well as a lot
of the entertainment firepower minority ownerships that
mr. ross wants to bring to the team [doesnt matter if
YOU like the talents or not] .

and the loss of respect from the nfl world.

dont be confused by the FEW who have gone on tv
or in the press and stuck up for vick and demanded his
re instatement. these are mostly gangsters who are
probably enjoying and participating in dog fighting.

terrell owens? maybe not a gangsta, but here is a guy
who sees a conspiracy behind every door. and he is a
bonafide nut case anyhow.

the few who have publically supported him are not a
drop in the bucket as far as nfl players. there are HUNDREDS
of nfl players and only a small few seem to be "down" with vicks
gangsta antics. there silence speaks volumes!!

so again, no to vick. it would be a loss all the way around for us. we just do not need him for anything.

Scrap
07-27-2009, 04:27 PM
lol@ someone wanting herpes over the dolphins signing vick...I believe this guy too
Actually, I'm serious.

ry-dbar
07-27-2009, 04:35 PM
I'd rather get a scorching case of herpes.
LOL!!!!!:lol::lol2: Amen!

donart
07-27-2009, 04:35 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/07/27/vick-expresses-appreciation-for-reinstatement-vows-to-change/,
I kind of thought this would happen. I for one think he has paid his debt to society and should be allowed to pursue his career. The question I pose is: Where do you think he will land? I'm guessing Raiders, Cleveland, or Jacksonville.

Kiick72
07-27-2009, 04:41 PM
I wonder if Godell ever got his in personal Apology? Egotistical Mother Fudger, I hope this commish crashes and burns.
Chubbs

I have no problem with the way the commissioner is dealing with players. None whatsoever. The last thing I want to see is a bunch of thugs take over Football the way they did the NBA in the 90's. Players in ANY sport have an obligation and a responsibility to control their behavior and act like "good citizens". I have no problem with the commissioner picking up where the law leaves off. Playing a professional sport for the dollars that modern athletes demand is NOT a right. It is a PRIVLEDGE. And rightly or wrongly anything that they will do is magnified since they are in the spotlight.

As for a 6 game suspension for Vick, personally I think it is 2 games too much. But if that is what the commissioner wants to levee that is his perogative.

Chubby
07-27-2009, 04:43 PM
I have no problem with the way the commissioner is dealing with players. None whatsoever. The last thing I want to see is a bunch of thugs take over Football the way they did the NBA in the 90's. Players in ANY sport have an obligation and a responsibility to control their behavior and act like "good citizens". I have no problem with the commissioner picking up where the law leaves off. Playing a professional sport for the dollars that modern athletes demand is NOT a right. It is a PRIVLEDGE. And rightly or wrongly anything that they will do is magnified since they are in the spotlight.

As for a 6 game suspension for Vick, personally I think it is 2 games too much. But if that is what the commissioner wants to levee that is his perogative.

First he does not handle his situations with his players equally. He goes to the extremes on some and lightly on others.

Second, it rubbed me the wrong way when he made his comments a few months back saying Vick would not be reinstated untill Vick personally apologized to him and he felt that Vick was personally truthful. He has a serious GOD complex, that I am dying for someone to come slap out of him.
Chubbs

dlockz
07-27-2009, 04:53 PM
this is sad news indeed.

do we want him? what kind of question is that?

why would we want a social and sponsor killer
like mike vick on our team?

i personally dont want to see his degenerate azz
on my tv screen every sunday no way, no how!!

we would lose sponsors, endorsers, fans, as well as a lot
of the entertainment firepower minority ownerships that
mr. ross wants to bring to the team [doesnt matter if
YOU like the talents or not] .

and the loss of respect from the nfl world.

dont be confused by the FEW who have gone on tv
or in the press and stuck up for vick and demanded his
re instatement. these are mostly gangsters who are
probably enjoying and participating in dog fighting.

terrell owens? maybe not a gangsta, but here is a guy
who sees a conspiracy behind every door. and he is a
bonafide nut case anyhow.

the few who have publically supported him are not a
drop in the bucket as far as nfl players. there are HUNDREDS
of nfl players and only a small few seem to be "down" with vicks
gangsta antics. there silence speaks volumes!!

so again, no to vick. it would be a loss all the way around for us. we just do not need him for anything.


so most of the nfl is gangsters because every player asked has said to reinstate him.

SabanHater
07-27-2009, 04:55 PM
I love animals and I'm a huge fan of dogs. Have two myself.... but this is a bit much.
The guys spent two years in federal prison, lost his entire bankroll, lost his job, and
now has to miss half the season????? The guy did his time. He knows he $#@%ed up.
He paid for it. Goddell is ***backwards!

JT-forpresident
07-27-2009, 05:19 PM
first jason taylor is back in miami, now the most exciting player in the decade is back ??? this upcoming season will be aaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwweeeeeeeesome !

BobDole
07-27-2009, 05:31 PM
i predicted 8. 6 seems pretty fair. i don't want him here or NE - i wish him luck otherwise.

Mcganiel
07-27-2009, 05:37 PM
so most of the nfl is gangsters because every player asked has said to reinstate him.

The only person I ever heard of was TO, not sure who else your talking about. If i was an NFL player I wouldn't even comment on it, have to be a idiot to associate yourself with the likes of Vick, not good for the old public image. I have an old friend that played for the jets in the 90s and he said yes to the reinstatement, but he said teams will not sign him due to the fact of what he will due to ticket sales and animal lovers everywhere will boycott anything Vick gets involved with, lets see who will take such a risk in such a bad economic climate. But hell no to us.

SpurzN703
07-27-2009, 05:39 PM
Don't want or need Vick on this team. Period.

dlockz
07-27-2009, 06:11 PM
The only person I ever heard of was TO, not sure who else your talking about. If i was an NFL player I wouldn't even comment on it, have to be a idiot to associate yourself with the likes of Vick, not good for the old public image. I have an old friend that played for the jets in the 90s and he said yes to the reinstatement, but he said teams will not sign him due to the fact of what he will due to ticket sales and animal lovers everywhere will boycott anything Vick gets involved with, lets see who will take such a risk in such a bad economic climate. But hell no to us.


Every player i have seen asked the question has said he should be reinstated.

Patrick Crayton
Owen Danials
and thats just in the past few days

PeytonsForehead
07-27-2009, 06:52 PM
No way, no how....Vick will become washed up soon. Pat White will do quite well with the wildcat offense. Besides, a team with a repuation of being animal friendly (dolphins, Ace Ventura, TD, etc.) will be making a HUGE mistake letting a guy like this in our locker room.

Astrosback
07-27-2009, 07:27 PM
No way, no how....Vick will become washed up soon. Pat White will do quite well with the wildcat offense. Besides, a team with a repuation of being animal friendly (dolphins, Ace Ventura, TD, etc.) will be making a HUGE mistake letting a guy like this in our locker room.

Good point - I'd love to see Ace Ventura bust up Michael Vick!

Fock diseased Ron Mexico. I hope he breaks his neck on his 1st play back (with whatever scumbag team signs).

Vick's dogs got no mercy, no 2nd chance.

Astrosback
07-27-2009, 07:40 PM
I love animals and I'm a huge fan of dogs. Have two myself.... but this is a bit much.
The guys spent two years in federal prison, lost his entire bankroll, lost his job, and
now has to miss half the season????? The guy did his time. He knows he $#@%ed up.
He paid for it. Goddell is ***backwards!

He would get no 2nd chance in most other high paying careers such as lawyer (he would have been disbarred) or doctor (he would have had his medical license taken away) or stock broker (SEC would revoke his securities license), etc., etc.

Anyone else who did what he did would now be forced to find a new career in an industry that doesn't/can't hold its employees to higher ethical standards.

The NFL should be able to hold its players to higher ethical standards. Sure, we're talking young guys here and mostly from poor backgrounds so we can't expect Ivey Leaguers but c'mon, the NFL doesn't need the Leonard Little, Lawrence Phillips, Pacman and especially Mike Vick types.

Fock Ron Mexico. I hope he breaks his neck and dies a slow death from his gonorrhea.

His dogs sure got no mercy.

72champagne
07-27-2009, 08:22 PM
He paid his debt to society and now he can get a job wiping butt at some lunatic asylum where he belongs. Omar would love reporting on that.

dolfan94
07-27-2009, 08:40 PM
Everyone will hate on him if he goes to another team and love him if he's on their team. EVERY TEAM

dlockz
07-27-2009, 08:48 PM
He would get no 2nd chance in most other high paying careers such as lawyer (he would have been disbarred) or doctor (he would have had his medical license taken away) or stock broker (SEC would revoke his securities license), etc., etc.

Anyone else who did what he did would now be forced to find a new career in an industry that doesn't/can't hold its employees to higher ethical standards.

The NFL should be able to hold its players to higher ethical standards. Sure, we're talking young guys here and mostly from poor backgrounds so we can't expect Ivey Leaguers but c'mon, the NFL doesn't need the Leonard Little, Lawrence Phillips, Pacman and especially Mike Vick types.

Fock Ron Mexico. I hope he breaks his neck and dies a slow death from his gonorrhea.

His dogs sure got no mercy.


So u are comparing the NFL ethical standards to being a lawyer or a doctor.
You cant compare playing football to something where committing a crime actually has an affect on your ability to do your job. Im pretty sure Joey Porter would not last long as a lawyer attacking people in casinos and such.


The only thing you can compare it to is the entertainement industry and this would not have him barred from doing that. if you look at other sports Boxing has had many ex felons participate in the sport. Football is based on the ability to play football not how good a citizen you are. Pure silliness to think that the NFL should have the same standard as practicing law or practicing medicine.

Chubby
07-27-2009, 08:51 PM
so most of the nfl is gangsters because every player asked has said to reinstate him.

Happy Bday Bud!

dlockz
07-27-2009, 08:57 PM
Happy Bday Bud!


thanks

Markcalius
07-27-2009, 09:38 PM
The only person I ever heard of was TO, not sure who else your talking about. If i was an NFL player I wouldn't even comment on it, have to be a idiot to associate yourself with the likes of Vick, not good for the old public image.

Tony Dungy said that he feels Vick should be reinstated with no suspension at all.

I believe Drew Rosenhaus spoke out on Vick's behalf as well, and his livelihood is very much tied to his public image.

72champagne
07-27-2009, 10:11 PM
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2009/07/toto_blog-1.jpg
Just follow the Goodell brick road.
We're going home Toto, we're going home!!!

72champagne
07-27-2009, 10:31 PM
Everyone will hate on him if he goes to another team and love him if he's on their team. EVERY TEAM
Some people on this planet have integrity. May not seem like it but there are a few.

72champagne
07-27-2009, 10:33 PM
Tony Dungy said that he feels Vick should be reinstated with no suspension at all.

I believe Drew Rosenhaus spoke out on Vick's behalf as well, and his livelihood is very much tied to his public image.
Rosenhaus' livelihood is tied to his ability to make people money.

Astrosback
07-28-2009, 01:01 AM
Tony Dungy said that he feels Vick should be reinstated with no suspension at all.

I believe Drew Rosenhaus spoke out on Vick's behalf as well, and his livelihood is very much tied to his public image.

Tony Dungy also compared Vick to (paraphrasing) every other guy who just needs a 2nd chance that he sees, like the rookies with an off-field indiscretion - guys who got in a bar fight, or got caught with weed.

If Dungy thinks torturing possibly as many as 100 dogs is the same as having a little pot, then he is as dumb as he sounds. He's a brain-washed holy rolling fool who is taking this Jesus-forgiveness-crap too far.

Rosenhaus obviously says what he needs to say to appease his probably-95%-black clientele.

Black people really need to stop crying wolf to the extent of supporting every horrible famous black criminal (OJ, Vick) just b/c they're black or they're going to have zero credibility when a real injustice takes place. Mike Vick aint Medgar Evers!

He's a heartless dog torturer. He tortured and killed dogs who would have loved him no matter what color he is.

endorPHINS72
07-28-2009, 01:30 AM
Oh I love the Michael Vick apologists...

endorPHINS72
07-28-2009, 01:32 AM
I really hope Vick goes to Buffalo. Then that team will crash and burn even faster than anticipated.

KTOWNFINFAN
07-28-2009, 02:04 AM
Tony Dungy also compared Vick to (paraphrasing) every other guy who just needs a 2nd chance that he sees, like the rookies with an off-field indiscretion - guys who got in a bar fight, or got caught with weed.

If Dungy thinks torturing possibly as many as 100 dogs is the same as having a little pot, then he is as dumb as he sounds. He's a brain-washed holy rolling fool who is taking this Jesus-forgiveness-crap too far.

Rosenhaus obviously says what he needs to say to appease his probably-95%-black clientele.

Black people really need to stop crying wolf to the extent of supporting every horrible famous black criminal (OJ, Vick) just b/c they're black or they're going to have zero credibility when a real injustice takes place. Mike Vick aint Medgar Evers!

He's a heartless dog torturer. He tortured and killed dogs who would have loved him no matter what color he is.

:snack:

glwhee
07-28-2009, 02:28 AM
Anybody know what Vick's QB rating was when he played? Or how far he led his team into the playoffs the years he was there?

NYinBostonFin
07-28-2009, 07:25 AM
Funny, I didn't think there was a merge of threads when Stallworth got off with 30 days for killing someone.

Farmer
07-28-2009, 08:02 AM
Just a heads up

Here in DC, Tanner Cooley (chris' brother) was on the radio saying that Vick was at a restaurant here in town.

BUT, dan snyder and vinny cerrato are NOT in town according to him. So IF the talking heads are right, and he'll be signed in the next few days, the skins could be an option

X-Pacolypse
07-28-2009, 09:29 AM
Just a heads up

Here in DC, Tanner Cooley (chris' brother) was on the radio saying that Vick was at a restaurant here in town.

BUT, dan snyder and vinny cerrato are NOT in town according to him. So IF the talking heads are right, and he'll be signed in the next few days, the skins could be an option

Hopefully, Michael Vick gets in a fatal accident or somebody kills him before then, but if not he'll likely get signed by the Redskins. This has Dan Snyder written all over it.

endorPHINS72
07-28-2009, 05:04 PM
Funny, I didn't think there was a merge of threads when Stallworth got off with 30 days for killing someone.

That was a miscarriage of justice as well. Stalloworth is another scumbag who should never play in the NFL again.

dlockz
07-28-2009, 06:52 PM
That was a miscarriage of justice as well. Stalloworth is another scumbag who should never play in the NFL again.


So should any player charged with a dui be allowed to play or just the unlucky ones that kill people?

Should assault be enough to get you banned?

What about tax evasion?

Chubby
07-29-2009, 01:56 PM
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/HeadLines.aspx?sport=NFL&hl=146512


Sam Farmer of the LA Times writes on Twitter that he's hearing free agent Michael Vick signing with the Jaguars "is looking more and more real."


Another report had Vick specifically eying the 49ers and Redskins, but both of those teams have denied interest. Jacksonville has made a ton of sense all along, and has been called a likely landing spot by NFL Network's Mike Lombardi on multiple occasions

Astrosback
07-29-2009, 04:50 PM
So should any player charged with a dui be allowed to play or just the unlucky ones that kill people?

Should assault be enough to get you banned?

What about tax evasion?


The unlucky ones who kill people (Little, Stallworth) are the ones who should be banned for life as a deterrent/example to others.

But I think it would be good to also ban for life those with 3 or more DUI offenses even if they didn't kill people.

2 DUI and a combination of a bunch of other screw ups could also be considered worthy of a lifetime ban.

A guy with a history of being a wanna-be criminal idiot like Lawrence Phillips was, and like Pacman Jones is (especially with Pacman's behavior leading to a guy being paralysed) should also be banned for life.

Anyway - obviously it should be a case be case decision for some (like Pacman as an example) but for others like those convicted of DUI manslaughter (Little, Stallworth) or 3 DUIs, then it should be an automatic lifetime ban.

I guess, under my suggestion, Vick would fall under the case by case lifetime ban decision since his crime was unusual but the decision would be simple b/c it's based on the horrific, cruel and gruesome nature of the crime and the fact that it was premeditated and carried out over 7+ years (that we know of).

By the way, in Vick's case, this isn't a "2nd chance" issue as many apologists are whining about. He has been in plenty of other trouble already (drug dealers driving his truck, giving the bird to fans, weed smell in his water bottle, knowingly giving his herpes to some chick).

All the signs were there. He always was a piece of garbage and torturting upwards of 100 dogs to death over a period of 7 years isn't an "accident" or a "mistake".

dlockz
07-29-2009, 06:23 PM
The unlucky ones who kill people (Little, Stallworth) are the ones who should be banned for life as a deterrent/example to others.

But I think it would be good to also ban for life those with 3 or more DUI offenses even if they didn't kill people.

2 DUI and a combination of a bunch of other screw ups could also be considered worthy of a lifetime ban.

A guy with a history of being a wanna-be criminal idiot like Lawrence Phillips was, and like Pacman Jones is (especially with Pacman's behavior leading to a guy being paralysed) should also be banned for life.

Anyway - obviously it should be a case be case decision for some (like Pacman as an example) but for others like those convicted of DUI manslaughter (Little, Stallworth) or 3 DUIs, then it should be an automatic lifetime ban.

I guess, under my suggestion, Vick would fall under the case by case lifetime ban decision since his crime was unusual but the decision would be simple b/c it's based on the horrific, cruel and gruesome nature of the crime and the fact that it was premeditated and carried out over 7+ years (that we know of).

By the way, in Vick's case, this isn't a "2nd chance" issue as many apologists are whining about. He has been in plenty of other trouble already (drug dealers driving his truck, giving the bird to fans, weed smell in his water bottle, knowingly giving his herpes to some chick).

All the signs were there. He always was a piece of garbage and torturting upwards of 100 dogs to death over a period of 7 years isn't an "accident" or a "mistake".


Did Vick get charged with any other crimes, not allegations,
This was his first brush with the law.
You can look at dogfighting how u like , its awful but Vick is one of the few people in the NFL and in society that has actually been punished for it. If you are dissatisfied with the time he got thats a case to take to the court system not the NFL.


Also was it really Pacman;s fault that the man got into an altercation and was paralized. That has never been proven. In fact I believe he is now a witness.


I also love how u give a guy three duis before u ban him. why not two, why not one.

I personally think Quinn and Porter are more of a danger to society than Vick. Quinn with his drunk driving and Porter losing his temper and gang assaulting people in a public place.

Astrosback
07-30-2009, 12:45 PM
Did Vick get charged with any other crimes, not allegations,
This was his first brush with the law.
You can look at dogfighting how u like , its awful but Vick is one of the few people in the NFL and in society that has actually been punished for it. If you are dissatisfied with the time he got thats a case to take to the court system not the NFL.


Also was it really Pacman;s fault that the man got into an altercation and was paralized. That has never been proven. In fact I believe he is now a witness.


I also love how u give a guy three duis before u ban him. why not two, why not one.

I personally think Quinn and Porter are more of a danger to society than Vick. Quinn with his drunk driving and Porter losing his temper and gang assaulting people in a public place.


We were talking about automatic bans for life. Maybe 2 DUIs should be enough. I suggested 3 DUIs or 2 DUIs coupled with other offenses.

As for Vick as it relates to the NFL, it's not a matter what the justice system did or didn't do in punishing him. It's a matter of his crimes being horrific enough to warrant a lifetime ban on their own - whether or not he had any other brushes with the law in his past or not.

Agree that Quinn and other DUI'ers are a threat to human society. Vick is like the Stalin of the K9 world though.

What's your point here? You think Vick should be allowed back?

Again, independent of other players from the past (like Leonard Little) who did or did not get just punishment/bans from the NFL, and just considering Vick, and just in going forward, what do you think he should get; banned for life or reinstated?