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Tetragrammaton
07-31-2009, 09:11 PM
After a particularly rancorous debate over where we would dine tonight, I realized that I need to possess a firearm. However, I know nothing about them outside of video games, so this is where you come in.

What is a good starter gun? What will I be looking at price wise?

WeVie
07-31-2009, 10:43 PM
what are you gonna do with a gun?

Bumpus
08-01-2009, 12:08 AM
You don't need a gun, you need a Bowie knife! It's all for effect! :lol:

WelcomeBack
08-01-2009, 01:40 AM
A discussion of dining led you to the conclusion you need a weapon?

And just for the video game reference, I prefer a G36c with Red Dot Sight. Enjoy.

Noodle Arm
08-01-2009, 01:48 AM
Ask Robert Blake, he knows a thing or two about hand guns and dining establishments.

Possum
08-01-2009, 01:50 AM
Replica Colt 1911, buddy just got one and took me to the shooting range. pretty easy to take apart and clean too.

GoonBoss
08-01-2009, 01:53 AM
Aside from the issue of motivation, you might as well enjoy one of the few rights you've got left.

If you ever want a good starter gun, I would suggest .38 Snub nose. It's easy to conceal, and since you drink Vodka and Cranberry juice....A girl can handle it just fine. Mrs Goon carries a .38 Smith and Wesson. It's not good for much farther than about 14 meters or so away, but, it's got good stopping power.

Go to a proper gun stor to shop. Then, go try to find the same gun you like used at a pawn shop. You are looking at anywhere from 500-800 bucks for a new handgun of most sorts. You can get as low as 350 and the prices go up from 800.

I would advise against a Glock. Not that they aren't fine weapons...It's just that the most important thing you need a gun to do is go "Bang" when you pull the trigger. A revolver (All .38s I know of) will do that. Noneed to mess around with a safety. It won't jam. Revolvers are reliable, and, good little firearms. I kept a .38 revolver on my left ankle as a backup gun when I was working armed security in New Orleans.

PM me about firearms related stuff if you have questions. I have acess to guys that can answer any possible qestion you may have.

GoonBoss
08-01-2009, 01:58 AM
Replica Colt 1911, buddy just got one and took me to the shooting range. pretty easy to take apart and clean too.

Not a fan of 1911s. I don't see the use in useing a handn that can only carry 1 or two more rounds than a revolver, and are notoriously picky about the ammo they eat and the magazines they feed from.

Plus, while .45 is a good cartridge, It's too much gun for beginners. 9mms and .38s can kill people just fine. Also, I never was comofortable with single action automatics. I don't like having to have the hammer cocked to be ready to engage targets.

Locke
08-01-2009, 05:19 AM
It's easy to conceal, and since you drink Vodka and Cranberry juice....A girl can handle it just fine.


:lol2::lol2::lol2::lol::lol::lol:

FinFrenzy
08-01-2009, 08:19 AM
After a particularly rancorous debate over where we would dine tonight, I realized that I need to possess a firearm. However, I know nothing about them outside of video games, so this is where you come in.

What is a good starter gun? What will I be looking at price wise?


Wait! You need a gun to win the debate on where to dine from now on? ;)

WeVie
08-01-2009, 09:19 AM
I finally understand. He wants to go hunt for his dinner due to rising food cost.

poornate
08-01-2009, 09:48 AM
Look Goon! A gun question we agree on.... a revolver is definitely the pick... they are easy to use and easy to clean.... they never jam and are low maintenance overall... I disagree on the caliber though (sort of)... if you are laying down real cash to buy a new gun I would suggest you get a .357... It is a "big boy" gun as far as stopping power, knock down power, etc.... but it has a soft side as well, because you can shoot .38 cal ammo out of it until you are comfortable with the bigger load, etc. of the .357 shell... also if you want to go target shooting, there is probably not a cheaper pistol round than target .38 wad cutters.... it is the best of both worlds.... I have a S&W .357 and absolutely love it (as much as it is possible to love a hunk of metal)...

GoonBoss
08-01-2009, 10:16 AM
Look Goon! A gun question we agree on.... a revolver is definitely the pick... they are easy to use and easy to clean.... they never jam and are low maintenance overall... I disagree on the caliber though (sort of)... if you are laying down real cash to buy a new gun I would suggest you get a .357... It is a "big boy" gun as far as stopping power, knock down power, etc.... but it has a soft side as well, because you can shoot .38 cal ammo out of it until you are comfortable with the bigger load, etc. of the .357 shell... also if you want to go target shooting, there is probably not a cheaper pistol round than target .38 wad cutters.... it is the best of both worlds.... I have a S&W .357 and absolutely love it (as much as it is possible to love a hunk of metal)...

A 357 is a good choice as well. And you quite rightly point out that it can shoot .38. The problem with 357s is they are generally large framed...Which is fine for a duty weapon, but, not so much if one is going to CCW it. S&W makes a nice ultralight snub nose that is chambered for 38 +P. That's plenty of cartridge for most people, IMO. That SOB is going to bark loud with that load.

And yeah..Nice to talk guns with you..:lol:

poornate
08-01-2009, 10:21 AM
MY .357 does have a large frame, and if the goal is concealed-carry I would have to wear a puffy coat to even begin to carry it.... I have a Browning 9mm that is very slender that would work for that purpose if i ever needed a gun to tuck away... I have one of those under the arm holsters with the Tac release that you can barely see if you are wearing it with no cover because it swings back under your arm when you hang them by your side...

GoonBoss
08-01-2009, 11:03 AM
MY .357 does have a large frame, and if the goal is concealed-carry I would have to wear a puffy coat to even begin to carry it.... I have a Browning 9mm that is very slender that would work for that purpose if i ever needed a gun to tuck away... I have one of those under the arm holsters with the Tac release that you can barely see if you are wearing it with no cover because it swings back under your arm when you hang them by your side...

I guess it's all in what role you want your gun to function. For concealment, you want smaller, for duty weapon/Home defense you can go wtih a more robust frame and caliber.

I always CCW on my strong side (right) hip because going for a weapon in a shoulder holster is going to involve muzzel sweeping lots of people potentially as you bring the weapon across your body to get it to where it needs to be to engage. With strong side hip I can pull and have the weapon on target without sweeping and space other than ground. I have a Walther P99 .40. It's a good comprimise of size/firepower/ammuntion capacity

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2009/08/Walther_P99_9x19mm-1.png

that's it there. 'cept that's the 9mm version of it.

Truth be told, if you are going to be useing the gun for home defense, I'd really suggest a long gun. As we were told in a combative tactics class I went to; "The only reason to use a pistol is to fight your way back to your rifle, which you should never have put down in the first place"

I keep my AR-15 on a shelf by the bed. It's a carbine version and a great weapon. I'm very confident in it's ability to defeat most threats. I do also have a 12 Gauge Mossberg 500 with collapseing stock which I love. My wife has a 20 gauge Rmmington that she likes a great deal.

The 20 gauge is a nice long gun for HD. #3 Buckshot from a 20 gauge is lethal, but also will tend not to overpenetrate, or if you miss (Which you can do with shotguns, contrary to popular belief) your neighbor won't be getting a visit from flying projectiles.

You have a Browning HP? I'm jealous. Me want.

Tetragrammaton
08-01-2009, 01:43 PM
I want a .50 caliber, simply because I have been told I could not handle it. Overcoming obstacles.

GoonBoss
08-01-2009, 03:04 PM
I want a .50 caliber, simply because I have been told I could not handle it. Overcoming obstacles.

I've shot one. Me want.

poornate
08-01-2009, 03:17 PM
I like the hi-Point a lot... it's so slim... I bought it new... that's right, I said NEW... for $250.00 from a neighbor of mine who is a FF Dealer... They misordered or something and he called me and asked if I wanted it a few years ago... i jumped...

#1 Fan
08-01-2009, 03:43 PM
I want a .50 caliber, simply because I have been told I could not handle it. Overcoming obstacles.


0.50 caliber is no joke. i recommend going to a gun range a couple of times, trying different calibers out, and seeing what's best for you.

There's a range in miami i went to and i think rental + 100 bullets is like $50.

Blackocrates
08-02-2009, 03:35 PM
After a particularly rancorous debate over where we would dine tonight, I realized that I need to possess a firearm. However, I know nothing about them outside of video games, so this is where you come in.

What is a good starter gun? What will I be looking at price wise?

:lol:

Wayward: "I can't take this s*** anymore, I SAID CHUCKY CHEESE!" *pulls a life like cap gun out*
Wife: "Okay...okay...we'll eat at Chucky Cheese."

Damn, you socialist liberals are violent sometimes.

Tetragrammaton
08-02-2009, 03:55 PM
:lol:

Wayward: "I can't take this s*** anymore, I SAID CHUCKY CHEESE!" *pulls a life like cap gun out*
Wife: "Okay...okay...we'll eat at Chucky Cheese."

Damn, you socialist liberals are violent sometimes.

Ha, it was actually with my roommates (now divorced). I just realized that I tend to listen to people with firearms the most, so there must be something to it.

BobDole
08-03-2009, 03:40 PM
you do not need a gun. trust me on this one.

Tetragrammaton
08-03-2009, 06:21 PM
you do not need a gun. trust me on this one.

What's that supposed to mean, Coltrane?

BobDole
08-04-2009, 02:02 PM
What's that supposed to mean, Coltrane?

nothing bad. it's just i've seen how you get when you drink - plus i've heard the stories you've told me. not necessarily the best combination for a first time gun owner. that's all, walter. :wink:

phinfan3411
08-05-2009, 08:59 PM
Got to agree with Bob Dole, Wayward. Be very careful, guns and alcohol do not mix. I do not know about the laws of other states, but here in NY, if you are carrying, and have been drinking it is good bye pistol permit.

The gun choice all comes down to what you are going to use it for. If you are going to carry concealed, and you live where you live, I doubt you want to wear much clothes. Imo some small guns present problems in keeping them concealed, the best I have witnessed so far is the Ruger LCP. Tiny gun, cheap gun, .380, still very accurate, and reliable.

Look at some of the testing on youtube, cool gun. If you have other plans for it, that changes everything, and a good combo for ease of carry, plus having fun shooting would be a Walther PPS, in 9mm or 40cal.

If you are going to shoot often, it may be wise to look at ammo prices before you buy, unless you are independently wealthy.

Good luck.

phinfan3411
08-05-2009, 09:33 PM
One more thing (I get excited when firearms are discussed), if you do not want it to carry (not that you couldn't, it's just big and heavy), but want it for home protection, or target shooting, I have personally never found a handgun I enjoy shooting more than a good 1911.

It is the only gun (and I have many) that has never been left behind when going to the range, even if I wanted to, my friends would not let me. It is true that certain magazines may not function as well as others, but I just test mine to make sure.

The only handgun that comes close in terms of enjoyment in a range trip ( I have not shot a .50 cal though) is my Browning High Power. All these are personal choices however, but worthy of a look over by you, again good luck.

Blackocrates
08-05-2009, 09:55 PM
Be very careful, guns and alcohol do not mix.

I strongly disagree. I think they mix perfectly together it's just that their consequences are almost always horrible.

There's nothing I love more than getting intoxicated and shooting guns in the air. I don't drink anymore but when I did, I loved it. I almost always did this combination on the New River and I loved shooting into the air or the river and howling like a wolf while struggling to stand up.

I think the most disturbing thing about those incidents were my friends comfort levels while I was acting a fool. They became so conditioned to my behavior that nobody would pay attention to me. The only thing that annoyed them was the noise of my .45 nearly puncturing an ear drum. Never did they try to take the beer or gun out of my hands. :lol:

As Archie Bunker would say, "those were the days".

Blackocrates
08-05-2009, 09:56 PM
Ha, it was actually with my roommates (now divorced). I just realized that I tend to listen to people with firearms the most, so there must be something to it.

There's not a better way to gain respect than by wielding a firearm. That's a fact!

Arsenal WV
08-05-2009, 10:05 PM
Hey Goon, Whats your thoughts on the Springfield XD? I've been looking into buying one soon


http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2009/08/xd40-1.jpg

phinfan3411
08-05-2009, 10:58 PM
Hey Goon, Whats your thoughts on the Springfield XD? I've been looking into buying one soon


http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2009/08/xd40-1.jpg

If I may add to this, most people seem to like them. I personally did not care for the trigger. Imo, in this class of weapon, I like the Sig version, SP (polymer frame), or the Glock, but if you like the trigger, I would say go for it.

Blackocrates
08-06-2009, 02:57 AM
Bluto,

That's the handgun I have in a .45. I absolutely love it. I've never had any problems with it. I like the sites. The trigger is smooth. It's accurate. No complaints from me.