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TheDon74
09-19-2009, 06:51 PM
One less team in our way at the end if we run the table

canesandbhoys
09-19-2009, 06:59 PM
My thoughts as well. Also, Nebraska not petering out would have helped in our ACC situation, but that's why we're in Blacksburg next week.

CedarPhin
09-19-2009, 07:22 PM
USC looks like **** so far this year.

JCane
09-19-2009, 07:24 PM
Virginia Tech looked TERRIBLE and I'm almost willing to guarantee we drop 40 on those dudes. They'll be a big test for our offensive line but even still, Nebraska ran the ball down their throat.

The USC loss helps our cause but I still say we fall into that 13 - 15 range at the moment. We should be ranked above Virginia Tech and i'm still rolling with FSU to take down BYU today.

CedarPhin
09-19-2009, 07:26 PM
I think we could score 14 @ VT next week and win. Taylor is awful passing the ball.

CedarPhin
09-19-2009, 07:26 PM
Their D is still pretty decent though, so I think it's still going to be a tough game up there.

Namor
09-19-2009, 07:38 PM
21 to 7 (Miami) my humble guess.

CedarPhin
09-19-2009, 07:39 PM
FSU up 13-0.

kpcane
09-19-2009, 07:46 PM
Virginia Tech looked TERRIBLE and I'm almost willing to guarantee we drop 40 on those dudes. They'll be a big test for our offensive line but even still, Nebraska ran the ball down their throat.

The USC loss helps our cause but I still say we fall into that 13 - 15 range at the moment. We should be ranked above Virginia Tech and i'm still rolling with FSU to take down BYU today.

If FSU knocks out #7 BYU, that HAS to put the Canes higher than 13-15, right? I don't know....I'm thinking we're going to be ranked 1 spot behind Va Tech in a lot of polls. At least that's what I'm hoping for.

canesandbhoys
09-19-2009, 07:57 PM
FSU up 13-0.

They're looking pretty good right now... 20-7.

JCane
09-19-2009, 08:07 PM
If FSU knocks out #7 BYU, that HAS to put the Canes higher than 13-15, right? I don't know....I'm thinking we're going to be ranked 1 spot behind Va Tech in a lot of polls. At least that's what I'm hoping for.

If/When BYU loses this shakes up the polls significantly more I think. We could be knocking on the door of the Top 10 and I don't care how it shakes up...we should be ahead of Virginia Tech in every poll. I don't see how anyone breathing can slot Virginia Tech ahead of us at the moment.

CedarPhin
09-19-2009, 08:27 PM
FSU is up 30-14 at the half.

kpcane
09-19-2009, 08:38 PM
If/When BYU loses this shakes up the polls significantly more I think. We could be knocking on the door of the Top 10 and I don't care how it shakes up...we should be ahead of Virginia Tech in every poll. I don't see how anyone breathing can slot Virginia Tech ahead of us at the moment.

For sure, but how many of those guys actually watch the games? In the end, they'll see that Va Tech beat a ranked OOC opponent. I just hope we're below them because we always seem to play better in the underdog role.

Awsi Dooger
09-20-2009, 02:16 AM
The USC loss was a disaster. Not merely because I'm an alum. You need to preserve the teams that can actually defeat Florida. The mush spread teams have no chance. Florida does what they do, only better with superior personnel. But a basic smack you in the mouth team has every opportunity against the Gators. I was convinced Tennessee would give them fits. I took the points but 3 minutes into the game was kicking myself for not playing higher. It was typical sucker prognosticating, stuff like Mike Wilbon picking Florida by 57. Physical defensive teams invariably become underrated when they lose a close low scoring game as favorite, like Tennessee to UCLA last week. The focus becomes the lack of offense. Meanwhile, make them huge underdog and that defense is still there, the one that only allowed 19 last week, and a roster stacked with SEC athletes, not Troy or Charleston Southern.

That variable will be available forever. I'm always annoyed when I don't take greater advantage. The Florida anger angle was absurdly overblown, just like 2007 when commentators were convinced New England would be raging to pay back the Jets late in the season for Spygate. That was also a 10 point game, if I remember correctly, half the pointspread, if not less than half.

USC was without its starting QB today. The backup Corp was inept. But that team has great personnel and a fundamental style that could give Florida fits, once the young players came around in January.

Spread teams develop a mush mindset and thrive while playing other spread teams. Consequently the Big 12 is all but impossible to stomach, at least for me. Florida would be secretly thrilled to face a mirror team like Texas with all the pathetic plays out of the shotgun. And the mid level SEC finesse teams like Georgia, Arkansas and Auburn looked comically weak tonight, no threat of actually hitting someone.

Now you can see why Pete Carroll was so emotional when Sanchez did not return. Obviously it was plenty selfish. Carroll knew he had a great opportunity in '09 with Sanchez, otherwise it was big trouble on offense, at least early in the season.

CedarPhin
09-20-2009, 02:18 AM
Tennessee's offense was miserable.

I agree with you Awsi about Sanchez. Neither Corp nor Barkley look up to that form.

Awsi Dooger
09-20-2009, 02:25 AM
Tennessee's offense was miserable.

I agree with you Awsi about Sanchez. Neither Corp nor Barkley look up to that form.

Barkley at least has some moxie. Corp looked scared and overmatched. I have no idea why Mustain wasn't given an opportunity.

As a Canes fan, above USC fan, I know I should be somewhat forward thinking about USC's loss from a Miami standpoint. But I wanted both barrels available. Denying Florida is the priority this year. Plus, I'm still skeptical Miami is viable this year.

It was beyond unbearable in '06 and '08 when Florida won the titles but I was convinced USC could have handled them in the bowl.

TedSlimmJr
09-20-2009, 02:37 AM
Based on watching all these teams play through 3 weeks thusfar...my top 15 would have to look something like this...there are several spots that are up for debate...


1. Florida

2. Alabama

3. Texas

4. Penn St.

5. Ole Miss

6. Cal

7. LSU

8. USC

9. TCU

10. Ohio St.

11. Oklahoma

12. Miami

13. Boise St.

14. Virginia Tech

15. Oklahoma St.



And I completely agree with Awsi.....any tough, hard nosed, disciplined, hit you in the mouth, team that has athletes and plays defense has a chance to beat Florida anytime....

That's why they''ve never went undefeated in the SEC under Urban and Saban just did it in only his second season at Bama...

They are on a collision course for another slobber knocker in Atlanta in December....except this Bama team is a year more experienced....

...and knows how to finish...



RTR

Kdawg954
09-20-2009, 10:53 AM
Still very premature talk about the U, but yes, this was a big loss for USC, so now they just need to come out and beat Cal later this year.

Kdawg954
09-20-2009, 10:57 AM
My thoughts as well. Also, Nebraska not petering out would have helped in our ACC situation, but that's why we're in Blacksburg next week.


Not really . . . that wasn't a conference game. It honestly means nothing . . . and is actually a good thing that they won, it gives the ACC more credibility. And the FSU win was HUGE.

We need to ROLL Va Tech next week and setup a huge game against Oklahoma.

Honestly, if we win the next 2 . . . don't we have to be top 5? Florida, Texas, Bama, Penn State and then us? We should be able to jump some teams, but these teams play each other so it is a process of elimination I guess.

kpcane
09-20-2009, 12:19 PM
Not really . . . that wasn't a conference game. It honestly means nothing . . . and is actually a good thing that they won, it gives the ACC more credibility. And the FSU win was HUGE.

We need to ROLL Va Tech next week and setup a huge game against Oklahoma.

Honestly, if we win the next 2 . . . don't we have to be top 5? Florida, Texas, Bama, Penn State and then us? We should be able to jump some teams, but these teams play each other so it is a process of elimination I guess.

I'd be pretty surprised if PSU was ranked ahead of us if we went undefeated through the first four. Texas didn't look too good last night - I'd expect them to lose to someone down the road. I think the USC loss pretty much put us in control of our own destiny, but stranger things have happened....

Awsi Dooger
09-20-2009, 01:07 PM
And I completely agree with Awsi.....any tough, hard nosed, disciplined, hit you in the mouth, team that has athletes and plays defense has a chance to beat Florida anytime....

That's why they''ve never went undefeated in the SEC under Urban and Saban just did it in only his second season at Bama...

They are on a collision course for another slobber knocker in Atlanta in December....except this Bama team is a year more experienced....

...and knows how to finish...

RTR

Good points. But it's easier to run the table in the SEC right now, compared to any time in recent memory. Too many of the teams have over rotated, desperate for bundles of points via spread-type football, to the point they've lost their physical edge. It was revolting watching games like Georgia/Arkansas, and Auburn vs. West Virginia last night. Those SEC teams wanted no part of trenches football.

It reminds me of the early '90s, when Oklahoma and Colorado turned away from run oriented option football and all but handed the physical dominance in the conference to Nebraska. That variable was never emphasized enough, when assessing Nebraska's rise in the mid to late '90s with 3 national titles. Once Switzer was gone and Oklahoma was screwing around with Gary Gibbs, and McCartney at Colorado somehow decided he needed to abandon the option despite a share of the national title in '91, Nebraska suddenly didn't have to worry about those games as major stumbling blocks within the conference. They toyed with Colorado physically for years, even though Colorado had acquired some big name offensive skill position players.

The SEC is not nearly as deep as its been, but until the reputation catches up with reality you'll continue to see bloated rankings for some of the teams.

canesandbhoys
09-20-2009, 03:10 PM
Not really . . . that wasn't a conference game. It honestly means nothing . . . and is actually a good thing that they won, it gives the ACC more credibility. And the FSU win was HUGE.

Yeah, I didn't mean in terms of standings, but rather VT's mindset going into the next game. They didn't look good at all, and probably would have been a deflated team had they lost. A late comeback is exciting for everybody, including the fans. Blacksburg isn't an easy place to play in when the house is packed and loud.

MelbournePhin
09-20-2009, 03:45 PM
fsu is going to the acccg, can miami make it for a rematch?

Arsenal WV
09-20-2009, 03:58 PM
If you guys havent figured out USC the past few years. Let me give you a quick break down


1. They come into the season ranked really high.
2. They lose to a PAC10 team they should demolish
3. Kick the crap out of everybody the rest of the season
4. Complain when they don't get into the National Title game
5. Kick the crap out of whoever in a BCS bowl

Then the cycle starts over again

kpcane
09-20-2009, 04:42 PM
fsu is going to the acccg, can miami make it for a rematch?

You should really just worry about picking up your first conference win before booking your tickets to Tampa.

CedarPhin
09-20-2009, 04:43 PM
I think they miss Norm Chow.

MelbournePhin
09-20-2009, 04:58 PM
You should really just worry about picking up your first conference win before booking your tickets to Tampa.

its coming soon, dont worry

kpcane
09-20-2009, 05:28 PM
its coming soon, dont worry

Well when it does happen, then you can talk to the team to beat in the ACC about meeting them in the conference championship. The coastal is so much better than the atlantic this year it's not even funny.

dreday
09-20-2009, 06:24 PM
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Namor
09-20-2009, 06:26 PM
That's funny

MelbournePhin
09-20-2009, 09:15 PM
Well when it does happen, then you can talk to the team to beat in the ACC about meeting them in the conference championship. The coastal is so much better than the atlantic this year it's not even funny.


oh well, fsu has a great chance of making it and they should do it

kpcane
09-20-2009, 09:36 PM
oh well, fsu has a great chance of making it and they should do it

They should've scored a touchdown first and goal at the 2, but they didn't do that did they? I'd write it (the ACCCG) off as a foregone conclusion if the seminoles didn't choke on a consistent basis.

MelbournePhin
09-20-2009, 09:41 PM
didnt choke up in provo though, things may be turning around

JCane
09-20-2009, 10:25 PM
And people thought I was crazy when I said Florida State would pound on BYU lol. It was so obvious. Too many white boys on that team to matchup with the athletes Florida State has.

kpcane
09-20-2009, 11:58 PM
didnt choke up in provo though, things may be turning around

That wasn't a choke situation. They were the underdogs, and never trailed. We'll see what happens when they start playing some more close games.

kpcane
10-13-2009, 08:27 PM
fsu is going to the acccg, can miami make it for a rematch?

How's the cellar of the ACC Atlantic division? Seems like a long time ago you said this, but even then I said wait until you pick up your first conference win. And you're still waiting.........lol.