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Rafiki
11-07-2009, 10:45 PM
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-boise110709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns


RUSTON, La. – Is it cowardice or collusion?

Boise State athletic director Gene Bleymaier is all but begging for a major opponent – any major opponent – to play his Broncos, particularly in 2011. He can hardly get his calls returned. Not by the SEC. Not by the Big Ten. Not by anyone.

Bleymaier is making a nearly unheard of offer in college football scheduling – Boise will bring its popular, high-profile, top-10 team to any stadium in any town to play any big name team in America in 2011. And they don’t have to return the date in Idaho.

So far, no one has bit.

ESPN has even become involved trying to broker a deal that will almost assuredly be nationally televised. Still no luck.

KontradictioN
11-08-2009, 06:16 AM
Sorry but all three of the Gators, Crimson Tide, and Longhorns would annihilate Boise State. It wouldn't even be close.

Rafiki
11-08-2009, 01:26 PM
Sorry but all three of the Gators, Crimson Tide, and Longhorns would annihilate Boise State. It wouldn't even be close.

Easy to say, but not so easy to do. Boise has lost 3 times in the last four years. And that isn't just from playing cupcakes, no other team in FBS (including the cupcake conferences) has a record to match. And if Boise State is such a mismatch with their cupcake schedule, doesn't that at least say that Boise is in a league above them?

And if it was true that Boise would be a pushover, then why won't BCS conferences schedule them?

Afterall, if you're so sure it would be an annihilation, wouldn't that mean that the team who beats Boise gets a ranked victory in their house? It would be easy, right? Then what's the big deal?

The big deal is that BCS conferences do not want to play Boise because then if Boise won they'd have to give them respect. They don't want to do that (they still don't give Utah respect). As far as BCS schools are concerned, all space in the "elite" football programs is taken.

They don't want to play BSU because if they did, then they wouldn't have an argument to keep them OUT of the national championship. That is all.

Rafiki
11-08-2009, 01:31 PM
Teams with an opening on Sept 3, 2011 [(x)= how many OOC games they've scheduled]:

ACC


Duke (2)
Georgia Tech (3)
Miami (Florida) (3)
NC State (1)
Virginia (2)
Wake Forest (2)

BIG 12


Kansas (2)
Missouri (1)
Nebraska (3)
Oklahoma (1)
Oklahoma State (1)
Texas Tech (3)

BIG EAST


Connecticut (4)
Pittsburgh (3)
Rutgers (4)
Syracuse (2)
USF (3)


BIG TEN


Illinois (0)
Indiana (1)
Iowa (2)
Michigan (1)


PAC 10


California (1)
Oregon State (2)
WSU (0)

SEC


Alabama (2)
Auburn (1)
Kentucky (0)
LSU (3)



What's their excuse?

kpcane
11-08-2009, 03:51 PM
There are an awful lot of pronouns in that article. I wish they'd mention which teams they've talked to.

It's real easy for a team that plays one or two tough games per year to call another school "chicken" for not scheduling them, even though they have conference opponents, and other tough non-conference opponents already scheduled.

The best bet is look for a Big 10 team. They're the ones that need tougher non-conference games. Can't really look at a Big 12, SEC, ACC team and expect them to schedule such a big game on short notice. Although the author suggested Nebraska, and I think that would be a good fit.

Oraclepz
11-09-2009, 11:27 PM
RUSTON, La. – Is it cowardice or collusion?

Boise State athletic director Gene Bleymaier is all but begging for a major opponent – any major opponent – to play his Broncos, particularly in 2011. He can hardly get his calls returned. Not by the SEC. Not by the Big Ten. Not by anyone.

Bleymaier is making a nearly unheard of offer in college football scheduling – Boise will bring its popular, high-profile, top-10 team to any stadium in any town to play any big name team in America in 2011. And they don’t have to return the date in Idaho.

So far, no one has bit.

ESPN has even become involved trying to broker a deal that will almost assuredly be nationally televised. Still no luck.



I feel ya man.. Im a big fan of you guys.. This is why the system needs to be fixed

Count USF out or at least i think we have nothing to gain by playing you guys. We are too busy trying to get a piece of the FL pie. Playing Florida St. Miami and Florida.

Oraclepz
11-09-2009, 11:32 PM
Teams with an opening on Sept 3, 2011 [(x)= how many OOC games they've scheduled]:

ACC


Duke (2)
Georgia Tech (3)
Miami (Florida) (3)
NC State (1)
Virginia (2)
Wake Forest (2)

BIG 12


Kansas (2)
Missouri (1)
Nebraska (3)
Oklahoma (1)
Oklahoma State (1)
Texas Tech (3)

BIG EAST


Connecticut (4)
Pittsburgh (3)
Rutgers (4)
Syracuse (2)
USF (3)


BIG TEN


Illinois (0)
Indiana (1)
Iowa (2)
Michigan (1)


PAC 10

California (1)
Oregon State (2)
WSU (0)

SEC


Alabama (2)
Auburn (1)
Kentucky (0)
LSU (3)



What's their excuse?

Those teams in bold i feel have no excuse. They are good western programs. Its really up to the power house teams on the western side to answer the challenge.

CedarPhin
11-10-2009, 01:39 AM
Kal wouldn't play Boise in 200 years..not a chance.

JCane
11-10-2009, 01:45 AM
Miami is keeping their 4 OOC opponent open because we're still trying to workout a series with Notre Dame. Miami playing Boise State right now doesn't make much sense. I understand what Boise State is trying to do here which is the same thing we were trying to do in the late 70's and early 80's and that was trying to play quality opponents to make a name for ourselves. But Miami playing Boise State doesn't benefit Miami one bit. First off, we don't recruit in Idaho. Second Boise State would probably beat the brakes off of us right now. An elite program like Miami has to benefit in some way from their matchup and playing Boise State just doesn't make much sense. I hate the fact that we're playing USF so much in the next coming years. We don't benefit if we beat USF but it hurts us in a major way if we lose. Paul Dee was such an idiot.

I personally think Boise State should try and play some Big 12 teams. Especially Nebraska. Nebraska is trying to get back to where they once were and they have great coaching along with great recruiting. Neither team would have to travel very far and I'm sure both would benefit from a home and home.

CedarPhin
11-10-2009, 01:52 AM
Miami is keeping their 4 OOC opponent open because we're still trying to workout a series with Notre Dame. Miami playing Boise State right now doesn't make much sense. I understand what Boise State is trying to do here which is the same thing we were trying to do in the late 70's and early 80's and that was trying to play quality opponents to make a name for ourselves. But Miami playing Boise State doesn't benefit Miami one bit. First off, we don't recruit in Idaho. Second Boise State would probably beat the brakes off of us right now. An elite program like Miami has to benefit in some way from their matchup and playing Boise State just doesn't make much sense. I hate the fact that we're playing USF so much in the next coming years. We don't benefit if we beat USF but it hurts us in a major way if we lose. Paul Dee was such an idiot.

I personally think Boise State should try and play some Big 12 teams. Especially Nebraska. Nebraska is trying to get back to where they once were and they have great coaching along with great recruiting. Neither team would have to travel very far and I'm sure both would benefit from a home and home.

Boise's O would rip our D to shreds right now. USF sucks because of the reasons you listed. You win "why didn't you win by more?" you lose "Haha, you lost to USF"

Not like we're gaining any recruiting battles with it. I'd rather schedule a home and home with someone like SDSU so we could tap into So Cal recruiting a bit. They don't have a chance in hell in beating us, and we'd get our name into So Cal. Even a UCLA series again wouldn't be bad. Wyoming gets big name schools to play up there all the time, but we wouldn't gain much by winning in Laramie....how they got Texas up there is beyond me.

Fresno State is another one I think would be a good school to schedule, but again, the only thing you gain is getting our name out around CA....probably would be better off schedule SJSU instead...though I think a Fresno-Miami series would be a good one.

CedarPhin
11-10-2009, 01:56 AM
Maybe play a Home and Home with Hawaii too..nets us an extra game the year we go out there, and maybe we can convince some of those Samoan boys to come play OL for us.

Oraclepz
11-10-2009, 09:05 AM
Miami is keeping their 4 OOC opponent open because we're still trying to workout a series with Notre Dame. Miami playing Boise State right now doesn't make much sense. I understand what Boise State is trying to do here which is the same thing we were trying to do in the late 70's and early 80's and that was trying to play quality opponents to make a name for ourselves. But Miami playing Boise State doesn't benefit Miami one bit. First off, we don't recruit in Idaho. Second Boise State would probably beat the brakes off of us right now. An elite program like Miami has to benefit in some way from their matchup and playing Boise State just doesn't make much sense. I hate the fact that we're playing USF so much in the next coming years. We don't benefit if we beat USF but it hurts us in a major way if we lose. Paul Dee was such an idiot.

I personally think Boise State should try and play some Big 12 teams. Especially Nebraska. Nebraska is trying to get back to where they once were and they have great coaching along with great recruiting. Neither team would have to travel very far and I'm sure both would benefit from a home and home.

Reason you guys are playing us so much in the coming years is that we are starting to be a thorn in your backside when it comes to recruiting. We get a good amount of players from the Miami area. If we win our match up coming up in the next 2-3 weeks, watch out. Beating Florida St. and Miami in the same year would do amazing things for our recruiting.

kpcane
11-10-2009, 11:32 AM
Miami is keeping their 4 OOC opponent open because we're still trying to workout a series with Notre Dame. Miami playing Boise State right now doesn't make much sense. I understand what Boise State is trying to do here which is the same thing we were trying to do in the late 70's and early 80's and that was trying to play quality opponents to make a name for ourselves. But Miami playing Boise State doesn't benefit Miami one bit. First off, we don't recruit in Idaho. Second Boise State would probably beat the brakes off of us right now. An elite program like Miami has to benefit in some way from their matchup and playing Boise State just doesn't make much sense. I hate the fact that we're playing USF so much in the next coming years. We don't benefit if we beat USF but it hurts us in a major way if we lose. Paul Dee was such an idiot.

I personally think Boise State should try and play some Big 12 teams. Especially Nebraska. Nebraska is trying to get back to where they once were and they have great coaching along with great recruiting. Neither team would have to travel very far and I'm sure both would benefit from a home and home.

:confused:

As for USF - I'm glad we're playing them. We should be playing more Florida schools, and at least someone isn't too chicken to give us a game every year. Rivalries put fans in the stand, and that's one thing we're lacking. This is about more than just wins, it's about the program and the university itself.

Rafiki
11-10-2009, 12:21 PM
So the question is: if Boise State is unable to get any response from the BCS schools to fill their 2011 schedule, is the argument that they need to schedule tougher opponents diminished in any way?

I think it is. Other WAC schools like Fresno State, Nevada, and New Mexico State have absolutely no problem scheduling schools like Notre Dame, Ohio State, and Wisconsin. Boise State's difficulty can only be attributed to the fact that, unlike their WAC brethren, they actually can beat BCS teams.

kpcane
11-10-2009, 12:38 PM
So the question is: if Boise State is unable to get any response from the BCS schools to fill their 2011 schedule, would they deserve a shot at the BCS title in 2011 if they went undefeated?

I changed the question you asked from theoretical to practical. If that's what you're asking, the answer is no. Asking isn't the same as winning. You can't just ask a few schools and then throw your hands in the air expecting everyone to feel sorry for you.

Rafiki
11-10-2009, 01:59 PM
I changed the question you asked from theoretical to practical. If that's what you're asking, the answer is no. Asking isn't the same as winning. You can't just ask a few schools and then throw your hands in the air expecting everyone to feel sorry for you.


A few schools? Really? Did you read the article?

And BSU doesn't expect anyone to "feel sorry" for them. They simply wish to fulfill the requirements placed on them to demonstrate their worthiness. Of course they want a shot at the national title. What program doesn't?

If anything I think we should "feel sorry" for the programs who talk themselves up but when it comes time to actually demonstrate their superiority, they shrink from the confrontation. They're much more comfortable talking down to Boise State about how great they are, rather than actually proving themselves. It's pathetic.

THE Ohio State will schedule the bottom-feeder of the WAC, but not the team who has won the conference every year save one. It is cowardice; do not be deceived by the plethora of excuses by the BCS homers.

kpcane
11-10-2009, 06:03 PM
A few schools? Really? Did you read the article?

And BSU doesn't expect anyone to "feel sorry" for them. They simply wish to fulfill the requirements placed on them to demonstrate their worthiness. Of course they want a shot at the national title. What program doesn't?

If anything I think we should "feel sorry" for the programs who talk themselves up but when it comes time to actually demonstrate their superiority, they shrink from the confrontation. They're much more comfortable talking down to Boise State about how great they are, rather than actually proving themselves. It's pathetic.

THE Ohio State will schedule the bottom-feeder of the WAC, but not the team who has won the conference every year save one. It is cowardice; do not be deceived by the plethora of excuses by the BCS homers.

You guys have already scheduled Oregon and Va Tech. So, it's not impossible to schedule BCS schools. If you're looking for a matchup in 2 years, it's going to be difficult. These things don't happen overnight. I believe Miami has Rutgers scheduled for 2018 or so.

USF is newer to D-IA football than Boise, and has already 'fulfilled the requirements'. So why don't you guys ask them how they did it.

Oraclepz
11-10-2009, 06:25 PM
You guys have already scheduled Oregon and Va Tech. So, it's not impossible to schedule BCS schools. If you're looking for a matchup in 2 years, it's going to be difficult. These things don't happen overnight. I believe Miami has Rutgers scheduled for 2018 or so.

USF is newer to D-IA football than Boise, and has already 'fulfilled the requirements'. So why don't you guys ask them how they did it.

The circumstances are a bit different with us. Eventually i knew the big three (Florida, Florida st. Miami) had to schedule us because we are starting to convince many of the florida kids to come to USF, especially the kids from the Miami area. Thats how you make teams play you. You start taking recruits from their back yard. Then again we also have very good recruits coming out the Tampa area.

Boise has a big problem because i dont think Idaho has that many recruits. I think if they start recruiting in Cali, soon enough they might be able to piss off the USC, UCLA, Californias of the college football world. Their best bet is to see if they can join the Pac-10 or MWC.

kpcane
11-10-2009, 06:34 PM
The circumstances are a bit different with us. Eventually i knew the big three (Florida, Florida st. Miami) had to schedule us because we are starting to convince many of the florida kids to come to USF, especially the kids from the Miami area. Thats how you make teams play you. You start taking recruits from their back yard. Then again we also have very good recruits coming out the Tampa area.

Boise has a big problem because i dont think Idaho has that many recruits. I think if they start recruiting in Cali, soon enough they might be able to piss off the USC, UCLA, Californias of the college football world. Their best bet is to see if they can join the Pac-10 or MWC.

Uh, what? Like who? The only recruit I can think of is Kayvon Webster, but that was just this past year, and we had played USF 3 times, I believe, and had them scheduled for the next few years.

There are a few schools in similar situations - FIU, FAU, even UCF - that have been as long or longer than USF, and are located in the Florida hotbed of recruiting, that haven't had near the success or 'validation' that USF has had. There is obviously something else going on other then Kayvon Webster.

Oraclepz
11-10-2009, 06:58 PM
Uh, what? Like who? The only recruit I can think of is Kayvon Webster, but that was just this past year, and we had played USF 3 times, I believe, and had them scheduled for the next few years.

There are a few schools in similar situations - FIU, FAU, even UCF - that have been as long or longer than USF, and are located in the Florida hotbed of recruiting, that haven't had near the success or 'validation' that USF has had. There is obviously something else going on other then Kayvon Webster.

Kayvon Webster, George Baker, Sterling Griffin, Steven Jacques, Victor Marc, Ricardo Dixon, Jatavious Jackson, Jon Lejiste.

These are all 3star recruits or better from the Miami area. All these kids were recruited in the last 2 years. I would say thats a nice amount of players from the Miami area.

As far as the last comment, i do agree with you. I know UCF, FIU, FAU have the same opportunities as us. It also comes down to coaching too. Jim Levitt is a good coach.

kpcane
11-10-2009, 07:20 PM
Kayvon Webster, George Baker, Sterling Griffin, Steven Jacques, Victor Marc, Ricardo Dixon, Jatavious Jackson, Jon Lejiste.

These are all 3star recruits or better from the Miami area. All these kids were recruited in the last 2 years. I would say thats a nice amount of players from the Miami area.

As far as the last comment, i do agree with you. I know UCF, FIU, FAU have the same opportunities as us. It also comes down to coaching too. Jim Levitt is a good coach.

Again, that makes absolutely no sense. Why would we schedule USF for 2006, if we lost all of these recruits (that we never offered by the way) to USF 2-3 years later?

Oraclepz
11-10-2009, 07:30 PM
Again, that makes absolutely no sense. Why would we schedule USF for 2006, if we lost all of these recruits (that we never offered by the way) to USF 2-3 years later?

Well thats not the only reason obviously. Why not play a game every one in the state of florida wants to see (or at least those in the miami and tampa areas). Its about money.

kpcane
11-10-2009, 07:45 PM
Well thats not the only reason obviously. Why not play a game every one in the state of florida wants to see (or at least those in the miami and tampa areas). Its about money.

It's not a reason at all.

Again, this new argument doesn't make sense because there are other teams in similar situations. Does FAU just not want to be an elite program? Is that what it boils down to? Obviously it took significant effort for USF to get to where they are today.

Oraclepz
11-10-2009, 07:52 PM
It's not a reason at all.

Again, this new argument doesn't make sense because there are other teams in similar situations. Does FAU just not want to be an elite program? Is that what it boils down to? Obviously it took significant effort for USF to get to where they are today.


Ok this is what i mean by it being different?

It was inevitable for USF to become a good program. We have a whole city at our disposal. A lot of good players come from Tampa. All we have to do is find a way to keep them. FAU competes with Miami. The only school i can see you having some sort of reason for is UCF.

I dont think Idaho has as many good recruits as Florida. They play in a mediocre conference although they have dominated. What Boise need to do is what we did a few years back. They need to move to a better conference. We started in Conf USA and we moved to the Big East. Miami was in the Big East and the moved to the ACC. You see the trend? Once you start dominating the conference you move on to a better one. Thats how you can play better teams.

kpcane
11-10-2009, 07:59 PM
Ok this is what i mean by it being different?

It was inevitable for USF to become a good program. We have a whole city at our disposal. A lot of good players come from Tampa. All we have to do is find a way to keep them. FAU competes with Miami. The only school i can see you having some sort of reason for is UCF.

I dont think Idaho has as many good recruits as Florida. They play in a mediocre conference although they have dominated. What Boise need to do is what we did a few years back. They need to move to a better conference. We started in Conf USA and we moved to the Big East. Miami was in the Big East and the moved to the ACC. You see the trend? Once you start dominating the conference you move on to a better one. Thats how you can play better teams.

Now you're talking.

As far as dominating a conference - USF played two seasons in Conf USA and finished 3rd and 6th. That's not a reason either.

They just joined a better conference, and that was that. And USF is still being taken seriously despite 0 conference titles in their school's history. That must eat Boise fans alive.

Oraclepz
11-10-2009, 08:28 PM
Now you're talking.

As far as dominating a conference - USF played two seasons in Conf USA and finished 3rd and 6th. That's not a reason either.

They just joined a better conference, and that was that. And USF is still being taken seriously despite 0 conference titles in their school's history. That must eat Boise fans alive.

To be honest, i think a major reason why we moved up so fast is because we are one of the top 10 biggest universities in the US (enrollment wise were 9th i believe). Not that being a good football team had nothing to do with it, but it wasn't the only reason. I don't think Boise has that.

Whats crazy is that UCF is in the Top 3 enrollment wise so i have no idea how they haven't moved from Conference USA into a BCS conference.

Well we have beaten very good teams consistently in our short history.

Rafiki
11-10-2009, 09:14 PM
You have to be invited into a BCS conference. There is absolutely nothing BSU can actively do to speed the process or get themselves into the favored bunch.

The MWC is also no guarantee. TCU as a non-factor in the national title talk is evidence of that. But if the MWC does invite BSU, they may have a more compelling argument to gain access to an automatic qualifying bid.

So your suggestion is to ask USF what to do? They'd say wait for an invite into a BCS conference. A lot of help that would be.

ChambersWI
11-10-2009, 09:31 PM
I know Michigan was talking to Boise about a home and home for the next two seasons, but at the last second we signed a deal with UCONN.

And I dunno if anybody would really destroy Boise anymore. Last BCS school that destroyed Boise went up against a very young team with Jared Zabransky starting his first ever game.

Boise IMO has become so much better since Hawkins left. Peterson IMO could be a top 5 HC when it comes to playcalling.

Oraclepz
11-10-2009, 10:20 PM
You have to be invited into a BCS conference. There is absolutely nothing BSU can actively do to speed the process or get themselves into the favored bunch.

The MWC is also no guarantee. TCU as a non-factor in the national title talk is evidence of that. But if the MWC does invite BSU, they may have a more compelling argument to gain access to an automatic qualifying bid.

So your suggestion is to ask USF what to do? They'd say wait for an invite into a BCS conference. A lot of help that would be.


Honestly if you guys were on the east coast i wouldn't mind having Boise int he big east. Thats a big problem the Big East has. We only have 8 teams.