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3rdandinches
12-23-2009, 09:28 PM
Trade #1 - R.Brown, G.Wilson (he maybe a bad FS but he's a valuable SS), T.Ginn and a 7th to potential suitors....

KC or DET for a 2nd. Both teams need a #1 RB, both need help at SS and depth at WR. Detroit would be an ideal fit, teaming up Wilson and Delmas would be great for Detroits defense.

Trade #2 - J.Porter to Denver for the rights to T.Scheffler. Denver can use more 3/4 bodies and do not seem to need Scheffler so atleast they can get something in return. J.Porter could lineup opposite Dummerville giving Denver a nice OLB combo.

Re-sign - L.Polite, D.Bess, N.Jones, J.Taylor

Sign - Newly aquired TE T.Scheffler - for some reason J.McDaniels doesn't use Scheffler more then a blocker, the one game they used him he had over 100yds. Scheffler can block, runs real good routes and has soft hands. He can stretch the field for us and give Henne a security blanket.

C.Hampton NT - Pittsburgh doesn't like to pay older vets no matter whats still left in the tank, just see Probowl OG A.Faneca, J.Porter, L.Foote etc. Hampton is a stout run defender that can allow Solai to further his development.

A.Bryant WR - cap or no cap the owners in TB don't really seem to want to spend money, Bryant maybe the best available WR which means paying alittle more what he deserves. He steps in instantly and becomes our #1, with an improved Hartline and Bess we turn a weakness into a strength.

M.Bell RB - With the trade of RB we could go either FA or draft, M.Bell is a powerful runner that would give R.Williams a breather here and there. He would be cheap enough that we can wait for Ricky's replacement next year. Bell if need be could also be a feature back if Williams went down, Cobbs is our 3rd option giving us some solid depth at RB. Our Oline suits M.Bell's skill set which makes it a match made in heaven.

Draft -

1. E.Thomas FS - 5'10 195 4.41/40. Top end ball hawking FS that can start right away, he solves a huge need for this team and teamed up with Bell, Smith and Davis will make a excellent young secondary. Thomas will stick his nose in the run game aswell, he's a very good all around player.

Other options... J.Hughes OLB, B.Spikes ILB, G.Tate WR

2. (via trade) V.Miller OLB - 6'3 240 4.6/40. Absolute beast of a pass rusher but also broke up 5 passes, he has a relentless motor to boot.

Other options... B.Spikes ILB if he falls, S.Kindle OLB, R.Sapp OLB

2. B.Graham OLB - 6'2 265 4.72/40. Can get to the QB and set the edge, has a non stop motor with great hand work.

Other options... O.Schofield OLB, M.Gilyard WR/KR

3. J.Pawelek ILB - 6'3 240 4.7/40. A stout run defender that is athletic enough to cover backs and TE's. 128 tackles, 6 tfl, 2 sacks and an amazing 6 picks. He's the athletic player we've needed at ILB.

Other options... M.Johnson ILB, D.Pitta TE

4. T.Price WR - 6'1 212 4.38/40. Is alittle raw but has #1 potential, size, speed and a precise route runner. He could be brought along slowly and become a huge steal for us.


We really set our selves up for the long haul after this offseason. Improving our play at NT, WR and TE with veterans that make an instant impact.

I realize trades are hard to do but I think Detroit would be getting excellent value for only a 2nd round pick. This may not be popular to trade R.Brown but we have shown that the Wildcat is not a need any more and P.White is being groomed to run it and other wrinkles. We have a powerful Oline and M.Bell would easily be a 1200yard back behind it but would only need to be a compliment to R.Williams this year.

The draft improves our ILB, FS and OLB depth. Pawelek ILB would push Akin in camp to start beside Crowder, his play making ability is just what we need. E.Thomas FS would probably start right away or at the least mid way through the season with Clemons backing him up. Where I think J.Taylor and C.Wake would start V.Miller OLB and B.Graham OLB could get some reps, provide great depth and give us a great looking future for our defense.

T.Price WR has good size and great/elite speed, he runs precise routes but is an under the radar type of player playing at Ohio. Getting A.Bryant in FA allows us to take a flyer on this guy and has tonnes of upside and no pressure to succeed right away.

Fire away!!!

Ozfin77
12-23-2009, 09:38 PM
Interesting thoughts, except the one about trading Ronnie Brown. That one was just silly.

Who you gonna replace him with ...seriously. I still think Ronnie has alot to offer.

I like Brandon Graham and Jerry Hughes. They'd be great additions to our D.

ArmyFin7
12-23-2009, 09:53 PM
I can agree with trading Ronnie to the highest bidder.

Ricky4Life
12-23-2009, 10:22 PM
Agree with trading Ronnie this offseason.

hooshoops
12-23-2009, 10:38 PM
lou polite already signed an extension with us

3rdandinches
12-23-2009, 10:41 PM
Interesting thoughts, except the one about trading Ronnie Brown. That one was just silly.

Who you gonna replace him with ...seriously. I still think Ronnie has alot to offer.

I like Brandon Graham and Jerry Hughes. They'd be great additions to our D.

I thought I explained it but M.Bell is a powerback that compliments R.Williams. We have done well in the run game without Ronnie, I see no need to give an injury plagued back a new large contract. If we had no options then fine but we have R.Williams, P.Cobbs and L.Hillard so by adding M.Bell who would be cheap and very effective we could use the pick to help another area of need. M.Bell could also carry the load if ever needed to be, our Oline is built for the power run game thus M.Bell being an excellent fit.

Clipse
12-23-2009, 10:44 PM
Not bad. Trade 1 will never happen. Nobody is trading a 2nd round pick for 3 large contracts. No thanks to trade 2 though. If we're trading Porter for anything, it will be a draft pick. Wouldn't mind Mike Bell. I would LOVE Pierre Thomas even more. I personally think Ronnie is back though, and I hope I'm right. Darren Sproles, Leon Washington, or Jerious Norwood are all explosive backs who are great returner specialists as well. I would love nothing more than to add one of these as a change of pace back as well as for their return abilities. Jerome Harrison and Jason Snelling are interesting as well. I wouldn't mind Earl Thomas or Morgan Burnett. Would love to see us draft Dennis Pitta or Jimmy Graham in the 4th. Maybe it's just the Canes homer in me, but I think Jimmy Graham can, and will be a very good TE. At 6'8", he'd be dangerous in the redzone for sure.

3rdandinches
12-23-2009, 11:39 PM
Not bad. Trade 1 will never happen. Nobody is trading a 2nd round pick for 3 large contracts. No thanks to trade 2 though. If we're trading Porter for anything, it will be a draft pick. Wouldn't mind Mike Bell. I would LOVE Pierre Thomas even more. I personally think Ronnie is back though, and I hope I'm right. Darren Sproles, Leon Washington, or Jerious Norwood are all explosive backs who are great returner specialists as well. I would love nothing more than to add one of these as a change of pace back as well as for their return abilities. Jerome Harrison and Jason Snelling are interesting as well. I wouldn't mind Earl Thomas or Morgan Burnett. Would love to see us draft Dennis Pitta or Jimmy Graham in the 4th. Maybe it's just the Canes homer in me, but I think Jimmy Graham can, and will be a very good TE. At 6'8", he'd be dangerous in the redzone for sure.

T.Ginns contract is nothing really, Wilson is decent but he`s a real good SS that would command a similar one now, running back contracts aren`t to severe. I realize it`s not perfect but a team like Detriot can solidify their secondary, seriousily upgrade their run game and get statistically one of the best returnmen in the game and add the fact that he could compliment C.Johnson it`s a pretty good deal for both sides.

L.Washington would be the one I want, P.Thomas will not see the light of day in FA. He`s the biggest reason for NO`s success no one`s talking about, it`s all about the pass game in the media but they run more then anyone in the 2nd half of games.

hooshoops
12-23-2009, 11:47 PM
gibril wilson is a weakness in any defense...whether he's strong or free safety

he takes horrible angles to the ball in run support and is atrocious in the open field as a tackler

and the worst thing is he showed these exact same traits in oakland before we signed him to that rediculous big money contract...

and we haven't even talked about his coverage...off the charts bad

ever having this guy as the "last line of defense" is just plain ignorant

Dogbone34
12-24-2009, 12:16 AM
Earl Thomas and Graham would be a good start. can we keep ronnie and add joe mcknight in the 3rd

Ricky4Life
12-24-2009, 12:46 AM
Not bad. Trade 1 will never happen. Nobody is trading a 2nd round pick for 3 large contracts. No thanks to trade 2 though. If we're trading Porter for anything, it will be a draft pick. Wouldn't mind Mike Bell. I would LOVE Pierre Thomas even more. I personally think Ronnie is back though, and I hope I'm right. Darren Sproles, Leon Washington, or Jerious Norwood are all explosive backs who are great returner specialists as well. I would love nothing more than to add one of these as a change of pace back as well as for their return abilities. Jerome Harrison and Jason Snelling are interesting as well. I wouldn't mind Earl Thomas or Morgan Burnett. Would love to see us draft Dennis Pitta or Jimmy Graham in the 4th. Maybe it's just the Canes homer in me, but I think Jimmy Graham can, and will be a very good TE. At 6'8", he'd be dangerous in the redzone for sure.

With Lewis probably retiring soon I think Harrison will be staying in Cleveland.

FinsFanatic777
12-24-2009, 02:28 AM
This is an ideal offseason. Defense, defense, defense. We have so many young receivers; we need to give them a chance to develop. Most star receivers don't make an immediate impact in their first year, but take years to develop. So give our receiving corps a chance... And if we can get Bryant, he is more than capable of being a number 1 receiver.

But we need help on defense. Our defense is atrocious. They get worn out so much by the second half. We need youth and talent in our defense. I love the Earl Thomas and Von Miller picks. Earl Thomas is a little raw (compared to Eric Berry), but I can see his immense potential. Instead of giving up big plays, our defense can make big playes. He can be the difference maker and the Ed Reed of our defense. Miller can replace Porter (or Taylor), so our secondary and pass-rushing is fixed. I think we can fix our LB problems by also taking Kirk Morrison from FA, in addition to Pawelek. Don't get fazed just because he is from Oakland... Every player falls in Oakland.

The only thing I disagree with is the Casie Hampton signing. He's old, and Ferguson is old too. We won't be able to sign him for long, and he's not as youthful as he once was. If BP and co. are able to fork up some dough, I would prefer Vince Wilfork (from the Patriots) instead of Hampton. And I doubt Wilfork will care if he signs with a rival team, because as we all know, guys like him will go where the money goes. The reason our defense consistenly gets blown out is because they get worn out so much, and that's because our defense is old (Taylor, Porter, Ferguson, all key players).

If this happens, it will be the best offseason I can imagine. Don't fall for Dez Bryant; look for a top-notch receiver in the 2011 NFL Draft - it's loaded. Defense all the way.

Ozfin77
12-24-2009, 02:52 AM
I thought I explained it but M.Bell is a powerback that compliments R.Williams. We have done well in the run game without Ronnie, I see no need to give an injury plagued back a new large contract. If we had no options then fine but we have R.Williams, P.Cobbs and L.Hillard so by adding M.Bell who would be cheap and very effective we could use the pick to help another area of need. M.Bell could also carry the load if ever needed to be, our Oline is built for the power run game thus M.Bell being an excellent fit.

My apologies dude, I was thinking of another guy!

Good call on Mike Bell, he'd be nice to have. I wouldnt, however, pay "overs" for him. I'd like to see how Lex Hilliard pans out.

Clipse
12-24-2009, 09:13 AM
If you want Ronnie out, you should go ahead and consider Ricky done as well. No Ronnie = No Ricky.

3rdandinches
12-24-2009, 10:24 AM
If you want Ronnie out, you should go ahead and consider Ricky done as well. No Ronnie = No Ricky.

It's not that I want Ronnie out, I like Ronnie alot. I don't like the big 2nd contracts that almost all RB's never live up to. If Ronnie signs a decent 3 year deal then I'm all for it but if you take in account that we have real good depth at RB, M.Bell would come fairly cheap and would fit our offense real well then it makes sense to deal him if possible. This is exactly what NE, Pitts and Indy all would do, instead of hanging on to long you need to see the opportunity to help this franchise.

Ricky will be here to play, he's not Ronnies brother or blood brother that will only play if he's here. Ricky has multiple children by multiple women to pay for and that is more then enough of a motivating factor, it is afterall the reason he's back. He couldn't afford them losing his bonus so he was forced to come back.

Ricky wouldn't be carrying the entire work load, he would continue to get 20 or so carries with M.Bell/P.Cobbs getting the rest. M.Bell is more then capable to be the feature back being spelled by R.Williams if need be.

This is more about our future then it is about the now, giving R.Brown a huge new contract would be a terrible move by this franchise, history has shown us it doesn't work for RB's. M.Bell then gives us insurance next year when Williams leaves and we draft our future stud. I just think this makes the most sense for us now, again I like Ronnie and wouldn't be opposed to re-signing him as long as it is a reasonable deal on both sides.

paulomac77
12-25-2009, 01:25 AM
I will never endorse Earl Thomas, re-watch the michael crabtree TD that beat texas and tell me u think Thomas is a ball hawk. What was he thinking on that play? Cost his team a national title shot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur2NfXtvQTs&feature=related

WTF # 12, he certainly got a good look

Clipse
12-25-2009, 02:29 AM
I will never endorse Earl Thomas, re-watch the michael crabtree TD that beat texas and tell me u think Thomas is a ball hawk. What was he thinking on that play? Cost his team a national title shot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur2NfXtvQTs&feature=related

WTF # 12, he certainly got a good look
Yea. Earl Thomas is no ballhawk at all. One play has defined his whole college career! Use some logic.

Clipse
12-25-2009, 02:32 AM
It's not that I want Ronnie out, I like Ronnie alot. I don't like the big 2nd contracts that almost all RB's never live up to. If Ronnie signs a decent 3 year deal then I'm all for it but if you take in account that we have real good depth at RB, M.Bell would come fairly cheap and would fit our offense real well then it makes sense to deal him if possible. This is exactly what NE, Pitts and Indy all would do, instead of hanging on to long you need to see the opportunity to help this franchise.

Ricky will be here to play, he's not Ronnies brother or blood brother that will only play if he's here. Ricky has multiple children by multiple women to pay for and that is more then enough of a motivating factor, it is afterall the reason he's back. He couldn't afford them losing his bonus so he was forced to come back.

Ricky wouldn't be carrying the entire work load, he would continue to get 20 or so carries with M.Bell/P.Cobbs getting the rest. M.Bell is more then capable to be the feature back being spelled by R.Williams if need be.

This is more about our future then it is about the now, giving R.Brown a huge new contract would be a terrible move by this franchise, history has shown us it doesn't work for RB's. M.Bell then gives us insurance next year when Williams leaves and we draft our future stud. I just think this makes the most sense for us now, again I like Ronnie and wouldn't be opposed to re-signing him as long as it is a reasonable deal on both sides.
I find it hard to believe Ricky would continue to play without Ronnie around. Him and Ronnie are very close. Not to mention Ronnie is a big name that takes all the attention away from Ricky. I can't see any way possible that Ricky wouldn't retire with Ronnie gone. Ricky will undoubtedly be in the spotlight where he doesn't want to be.

bert
12-25-2009, 08:54 AM
3rd i agree that the 3 year deal is the key for ronnie.i think he stays.unless the pats make him an offer he cant refuse.r+r i also agree that no ronnie no ricky.ricky will not play if he has to carry it 20 times a game.

bert
12-25-2009, 09:00 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp09/news/story?id=4438933 3rd you could be right on this.here is rickys contract.i would say you are right about ricky staying.at least 90%.i still dont think ricky wants it 20+ and would hurt us doing it.but you are right about ricky staying.to much to give up.

SRM
12-25-2009, 03:25 PM
Isn't Earl Thomas a sophomore?

rev kev
12-26-2009, 12:39 AM
Ronnie's health scares me I like him - but he needs to go..., he cannot stay the course...

hooshoops
12-26-2009, 12:55 AM
ricky is signed for 1 more year...i don't think if ronnie leaves this offseason that will effect ricky playing...after all ricky himself has said he needs to play to pay bills...i do think that ricky hangs em up after next season though...

regarding ronnie i love the guy but let's be real...he's been on ir 2 of the last 3 seasons...he's injury prone in my book at this point

i'd put him on the block this offseason...but if we do let him get away we better have a guy in mind on draft day to take his place...

rolling with a 33 year old ricky, a just back from injury cobbs and a hilliard at rb imo isn't big enough playmakers at the position in 2010

3rdandinches
12-26-2009, 09:50 AM
Ronnie's health scares me I like him - but he needs to go..., he cannot stay the course...

Injuries happen but in Ronnie's case it seems like every year, we need to know that when we're pushing for the division championship year after year that our starting RB will be on the field for it.

I'm a big Ronnie fan but let's not hang on to long because of blind faith. Getting value from a trade and getting a solid replacement would do wonders for us.

3rdandinches
12-26-2009, 10:17 AM
This is an ideal offseason. Defense, defense, defense. We have so many young receivers; we need to give them a chance to develop. Most star receivers don't make an immediate impact in their first year, but take years to develop. So give our receiving corps a chance... And if we can get Bryant, he is more than capable of being a number 1 receiver.

But we need help on defense. Our defense is atrocious. They get worn out so much by the second half. We need youth and talent in our defense. I love the Earl Thomas and Von Miller picks. Earl Thomas is a little raw (compared to Eric Berry), but I can see his immense potential. Instead of giving up big plays, our defense can make big playes. He can be the difference maker and the Ed Reed of our defense. Miller can replace Porter (or Taylor), so our secondary and pass-rushing is fixed. I think we can fix our LB problems by also taking Kirk Morrison from FA, in addition to Pawelek. Don't get fazed just because he is from Oakland... Every player falls in Oakland.

The only thing I disagree with is the Casie Hampton signing. He's old, and Ferguson is old too. We won't be able to sign him for long, and he's not as youthful as he once was. If BP and co. are able to fork up some dough, I would prefer Vince Wilfork (from the Patriots) instead of Hampton. And I doubt Wilfork will care if he signs with a rival team, because as we all know, guys like him will go where the money goes. The reason our defense consistenly gets blown out is because they get worn out so much, and that's because our defense is old (Taylor, Porter, Ferguson, all key players).

If this happens, it will be the best offseason I can imagine. Don't fall for Dez Bryant; look for a top-notch receiver in the 2011 NFL Draft - it's loaded. Defense all the way.


C.Hampton (32) is one of the best run defenders in the buisness and thing you'll find is really good NT's are older. I didn't put in V.Wilfork (28) because I doubt he will become available and if he does it will cost a fortune to sign him.

My number 1 choice would be A.Franklin (29), he's one of the top NT's in the NFL and wouldn't cost as much as Vince but again I really do not believe he will make it to the open market.

Other options are R.Pickett (30), and G.Watson (26), Gabe is my last choice because he comes in last of this group in terms of talent. Hampton and Pickett are the two most likely to see the open market due to their teams. Pitts doesn't like to re-sign older vets, GB drafted Raji to replace Pickett and they still have J.Jolly and J.Harrell.

Seeing that J.Ferguson is injury prone and 35, adding anyone of these guys to rotate with Solai will be a upgrade. We would still want to draft a late round NT to groom for 3/4 years to join the rotation with Solai.

greasyObnoxious
12-26-2009, 12:23 PM
Isn't Earl Thomas a sophomore?

yeah, but a draft-eligible sophomore

Pat-London
12-26-2009, 02:01 PM
I agree that the focus should be on Defense. I would though say though that if Jordan Shipley, WR, Texas is available in the 3rd round I would jump at that.

In relation to trade.

I would somewhat add to the Joey Porter to Denver for 34 reasons. I would suggest Porter and Crowder as a package deal be sent to a team new with the 34. That is only if we select Hughes in the 1st and Eric Norwood, OLB at South Carolina who I believe will be a stud at ILB. Then Send Porter/Crowder to someone for an extra 2nd and possibly a 6th. If we got that extra 2nd id put it into Golden Tate who I think could be another Boldin.

In addition to that I would send Ginn and a 4th to Oakland for McFadden, they like the deep ball, and we need youth and playmakers in the backfield. Ricky is next to being done, Ronnie is a huge question mark re his injury prone nature. No point in trying to trade Ronnie now as his value would be lower, id suggest that if he is to be traded that he is a trade deadline candidate, once he has shown the league he is back to his usual... hopefully! We do need to see more of Lex though to understand what level of draft picking is spent on RB's.

Pat-London
12-26-2009, 02:08 PM
Further more.

If Ferguson can get back to being healthy then resign for another year, the tandem with him and Soliai could get through another year before we go after another NT early in the draft or via free agency.

Tight End - the loss of David Martin has shown a huge gap in the passing game. Someone is needed to stretch the field but also allow Fasano to move back into his more suitable role as a no2 TE. Getting someone who can take up the ILB's and S's can just add to the windows and holes outside for the WR's.

houtz
12-26-2009, 03:11 PM
If we get rid of Ronnie I hope it's not to FA and it's in the shape of at least a 1st rounder.

If we get rid of Ronnie I want Ingram or Spiller.

paulomac77
12-26-2009, 04:58 PM
Yea. Earl Thomas is no ballhawk at all. One play has defined his whole college career! Use some logic.

No I'm dead serious, watch that play and tell me you would pay that guy to play football. Please guys, no more earl thomas.

TedSlimmJr
12-28-2009, 12:46 AM
No I'm dead serious, watch that play and tell me you would pay that guy to play football. Please guys, no more earl thomas.


Several things...

First being....Earl Thomas was a redshirt freshman on this play....Michael Crabtree was the best WR in the draft...

Secondly....Thomas did nothing wrong on this play....he had no shot to make a play on the ball....

The corner is the one that screwed the pooch on this play if anybody....other than it being just a career play on behalf of Crabtree..

Thomas undercut the football because he thought Crabtree's momentum was going to take him out of bounds....just like the corner did...just like everybody in the stadium did....just like you and I and anyone else watching did...

There are a LOT better plays to criticize on Earl Thomas than this one....try watching him play sometime...

FinsFanatic777
12-28-2009, 01:05 AM
I agree that the focus should be on Defense. I would though say though that if Jordan Shipley, WR, Texas is available in the 3rd round I would jump at that.

In relation to trade.

I would somewhat add to the Joey Porter to Denver for 34 reasons. I would suggest Porter and Crowder as a package deal be sent to a team new with the 34. That is only if we select Hughes in the 1st and Eric Norwood, OLB at South Carolina who I believe will be a stud at ILB. Then Send Porter/Crowder to someone for an extra 2nd and possibly a 6th. If we got that extra 2nd id put it into Golden Tate who I think could be another Boldin.

In addition to that I would send Ginn and a 4th to Oakland for McFadden, they like the deep ball, and we need youth and playmakers in the backfield. Ricky is next to being done, Ronnie is a huge question mark re his injury prone nature. No point in trying to trade Ronnie now as his value would be lower, id suggest that if he is to be traded that he is a trade deadline candidate, once he has shown the league he is back to his usual... hopefully! We do need to see more of Lex though to understand what level of draft picking is spent on RB's.

Al Davis would never trade McFadden for Ted Ginn Jr. and a FOURTH round pick? First of all, he already has the deep ball wideout in Darrius Heyward-Bey, and the QB to throw it to in Jamarcus Russell. He wants to top it off with a breakout RB in Darren McFadden. Obviously, none of these picks have panned out, but trust me, Davis will NEVER trade McFadden. As long as McFadden runs a 4.27 like he did at the combine, he will always be a Raider. Secondly, Ginn hasn't proved he can be the deep threat (except on that one play against the Jets).. And think about it... McFadden... one of the best college RB's of the decade, and Ted Ginn Jr, one of the most underdeveloped WR's of the decade.

Not to mention that deal wouldn't work, but I don't like it either. McFadden might have set rushing records, but his running style his atrocious. He doesn't know how to run... He has the fastest acceleration I've seen, but defenders start to close in on him once he hits his top speed... Just watch the tapes (IE the Chiefs game his rookie season where it looks like he's totally outrun the entire defense but somehow a Chiefs defender catches up to him from behind). He also has a fumbling problem that hasn't gone away since college, which is the one thing Sparano will never allow. Also, he can't juke... If you see any of his long runs, he just runs to the outside or in a straight line. I've never seen him juke a defender out. Just watch his Raider highlights. All it takes is ONE defender to trip him. He also has the weakest legs I've ever seen in my life. He has nice upper body control, but once he loses movement of his legs, he's down.

Also, if I watched some of the Razorbacks games, and McFadden isn't a RB that can go between the tackles. In a lot of the games, McFadden took all of the snaps that went to the outside, and Felix Jones took all of them that went to the inside. All he relies on is his acceleration, and that doesn't last in the NFL. He can't even juke an NFL defender for his life, all he tries to do is outrun him to the edge, and that only works in college for a living.

Trust me, you don't want McFadden... We won't get him, and it's better that way

Clipse
12-28-2009, 08:21 AM
No I'm dead serious, watch that play and tell me you would pay that guy to play football. Please guys, no more earl thomas.
Yes, I would. For you to downplay Earl Thomas because of one play is ridiculous. There's a reason he will be a first rounder, and it's because scouts know more than you do. The sad part is Thomas really isn't even at fault on that play for the points Ted Slimm made. Crabtree made an amazing move on the sideline, where anyone else in college football would of went out of bounds. You really should try watching him play.