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BJJKID
12-29-2009, 11:50 AM
Parcells doesn't like taking WR early in the draft. Ok. But Parcells is not drafting our players. Jeff Ireland is. Parcells and Sparano will offer opinions certainly, but ultimately it rests with Ireland.


With that in mind, could we possibly try to draft Golden Tate from Notre Dame? Then take Brandon Spikes in the 2nd round? We solve 2 huge problems with our team with those 2 picks.

Dredd1050
12-29-2009, 11:55 AM
Could Golden Tate be another Steve Smith (Car)? Don't know.

ArmyFin7
12-29-2009, 11:57 AM
Barring a trade, I don't see any team picking in front of us that will take Dez Bryant....if he's there and we go another direction....then we'll all know parcells is pulling the strings on the puppets.

The only FA I absolutely want is Dansby.

WelcomeBack
12-29-2009, 11:58 AM
Parcells doesn't like taking WR early in the draft. Ok. But Parcells is not drafting our players. Jeff Ireland is. Parcells and Sparano will offer opinions certainly, but ultimately it rests with Ireland.


With that in mind, could we possibly try to draft Golden Tate from Notre Dame? Then take Brandon Spikes in the 2nd round? We solve 2 huge problems with our team with those 2 picks.

If we'd take those two players, I'd say it switches and Spikes would be round 1, Tate round 2.

With that said, I want Bryant in round 1.

hemidemon
12-29-2009, 11:59 AM
I think Miami will sign Miles Austin as a free agent. In the first round I expect Miami to go after a D lineman or an ILB.

ArmyFin7
12-29-2009, 12:02 PM
Austin isn't getting out of Dallas....and he will be an RFA that will require draft pick compensation if he isn't resigned.

SA_BUTTA
12-29-2009, 12:04 PM
I think this should be moved to the draft forum, but to answer I don't think we need another speedy small WR. Im putting Dez Bryant and Jordan Shipley higher on my board. I think we need size over speed right now and a solid #1. I don't even know that we find that in either of these guys, but it may be worth a shot. If we did find a solid #1, who is the odd man out, Ginn, Hartline, Bess and Camarillo?? I know most are ready to throw Ginn to the dogs, but you cant teach speed and with a solid #1 he would be more of a deep threat. I think also they will have to evaluate if they can do anything in the FA market really depends on all this CBA mumbo jumbo too.

qmar
12-29-2009, 12:08 PM
Barring a trade, I don't see any team picking in front of us that will take Dez Bryant....if he's there and we go another direction....then we'll all know parcells is pulling the strings on the puppets.

The only FA I absolutely want is Dansby.

I would actually rather have DJ Williams as he is younger (albeit only a year) and there may be less competition for getting him (which means a smaller contract potentially). Dansby is maybe slightly better, but I think we need to conserve as much money as possible if there is a cap of course.

ArmyFin7
12-29-2009, 12:09 PM
There wont be a salary cap, that writing is on the wall....

Williams will then be an RFA.

Oraclepz
12-29-2009, 12:12 PM
Barring a trade, I don't see any team picking in front of us that will take Dez Bryant....if he's there and we go another direction....then we'll all know parcells is pulling the strings on the puppets.

The only FA I absolutely want is Dansby.

I second Dansby.. I know Parcells really likes him and maybe thats why we didnt address the situation this year because he knows that the Cards have to make a decision about him soon in regards to a long term contract. If we get Dansby all that TE having huge games on us is out the window. If we dont sign another FA after Dansby i would be fine with it but we need him!

Dtronic
12-29-2009, 12:13 PM
Parcells doesn't like taking WR early in the draft. Ok. But Parcells is not drafting our players. Jeff Ireland is. Parcells and Sparano will offer opinions certainly, but ultimately it rests with Ireland.




WRONG. Parcells let Ireland argue his case, but Parcells has the final say.

BJJKID
12-29-2009, 12:44 PM
So Ireland is a GM in name only?

I agree Tate is smallish but he's so dynamic and far more polished than Ginn will ever be. He does remind me of Steve Smith from Carolina.

Dansby would be a great pick up and so long as we get Tate and Spikes I don't care in what order. I just have a friend of mine who is a draft junkie and he swears that the fact that Spikes plays ILB and his character issues will make him a second round guy.

Tunaphish429
12-29-2009, 01:05 PM
Ireland acutally does alot of scouting as well..Usally gm's dont do that ...I think Parcells does have the final say but Ireland has alot of input..Plus Parcells wanted Ireland for a reason.... I am sure Ireland is still being trained by Parcells as well..
I think we go D- linemen in the first round...
*Terrance Mounty Cody anyone?..
Or I think this could happen..Have Randy Starks put on some weight..about 20 pounds. Move him to nose tackle ..
Then you have Merling Starks Landford as starters..then we draft another DE or resign Mcdaniel..Take a OLB in the draft first round..
We are going defense 1st round no doubt..
Turner is still a work in progress
Hartline has shown promise

BJJKID
12-29-2009, 01:13 PM
I love Brian Hartline and I agree that Turner is a work in progress, but i don't think either projects as a game breaker/playmaker. The homerun aspect to our offense is lacking and defenses know it. With Henne's rocket arm, I can forsee a time when our offense is structured like the Colts offense was when they had Edgerrin James and the year they won the Super Bowl. I think we have the ability to light it up OR play smash mouth, we need only add a piece or two. If not, I don't believe we are playing to our strengths.

Daytona Fin
12-29-2009, 01:18 PM
i dont see us drafting another wr, after taking 2 last year. wr would be a 2 year project, and this team wants to contend next year. we need a #1 wr now, not one that is a question mark. wrs are such a huge gamble.

Bumpus
12-29-2009, 01:20 PM
Wrong forum.

Tunaphish429
12-29-2009, 01:21 PM
I dont know that Henne is ready to be going deep yet..

He has over thrown alot of open passes deep...

He can get better tho..I beilive he will get better at it

Roman529
12-29-2009, 01:24 PM
Parcells doesn't like taking WR early in the draft. Ok. But Parcells is not drafting our players. Jeff Ireland is. Parcells and Sparano will offer opinions certainly, but ultimately it rests with Ireland.


With that in mind, could we possibly try to draft Golden Tate from Notre Dame? Then take Brandon Spikes in the 2nd round? We solve 2 huge problems with our team with those 2 picks.

Golden Tate or Dez Bryant would be a smart move. We need a #1 WR or need to acquire a guy like Miles Austin. We could probably get a solid LB in round two.

EFWilson
12-29-2009, 01:29 PM
If when Miami picks in the 1st round and both Bryant and Spikes are there.Who do you pick? Spikes will not make it out the 1st round.

ArmyFin7
12-29-2009, 01:34 PM
Bryant

Tunaphish429
12-29-2009, 01:35 PM
If when Miami picks in the 1st round and both Bryant and Spikes are there.Who do you pick? Spikes will not make it out the 1st round.


Your sure about both of these guys?


Dez was inelligble for most of the year right?

Do you really wanna take a WR that high he has had that much time off..

Spikes is a beast but who knows he could fall..Inside linebackers fall all the time...Especially if he does not test well at the combine...

Everyone thought Poz would be a first rounder..Everyone was sure Laurnitis was a first rounder..Everyone though Rey Malauga was a first rounder..

History has shown most Inside linebackers go in 2nd to 3rd round range..

It really depends on if others need them too... Dominoe effect..
Rolando McClain may go first as he has 34 experience in college..he maybe a better fit

ArmyFin7
12-29-2009, 01:37 PM
McClain isnt getting past Denver IMO.

Tunaphish429
12-29-2009, 01:47 PM
McClain isnt getting past Denver IMO.



Denver has done alot of weird things in the draft latley...

They have no 2nd so they may have to reach in the 1st round if they cant trade one of those 1st rounders..

Shady27
12-29-2009, 01:57 PM
If we don't get the much needed #1 WR in FA, I'd say without a doubt we gotta go for Dez Bryant. Tate is good, but Dez is a lot better, & posseses the ability to be an Andre Johnson/L. Fitzgerald type WR. Maybe not as good but close, or maybe he will be as good, either way he can be that big play guy, drawing double, possibly triple w/ the safety coverage, & either getting Bess, Ginn, Hartline, Camarillo (3 of the 4, not sure which 1 will be gone) open, & getting open himself a lot even with the coverage. IMO, Tate would just be another mediocre WR added to a mediocre WR core. I hope we can get Brandon Marshall, or even V. Jackson, if not, & it comes to the draft, the FO gotta pull the trigger & get us a big time WR in the 1st rd, & I think that Dez is the best by a good margin over the #2 prospect, who I believe is Damien Williams (USC) currently, which would also be good if we don't get Dez. But there's not much of a difference between a 1st rd & 2nd rd LB. There are exceptions, but not in this years draft. So if not addressed in FA, WR should be rd 1. If not, we're looking at another mediocre draft, with another mediocre WR drafted, leading to another mediocre season. We gotta bust out of this mediocre bubble that we've been in for the last DECADE. Sorry for using that word so much, but I see a lot of other posters use it, & we're all right by using that word to describe our team.

MIAMI = MEDIOCRE. We fit the definition to a tee, it's time to change that & become a contender for this next decade. A lot of this "developing" of average players zhit isn't working, it's just not. It's time we go hard & get a developed or nearly developed WR & LB this year. The DE, OL, S we need can come in the later rounds, or in FA. The #1 priority is WR. #2 is LB. We fill those 2 spots with not good or ok, but great players & we're at least a playoff team maybe more. No more mediocrisy. It's time for greatness again.

walt
12-29-2009, 02:57 PM
I think this should be moved to the draft forum, but to answer I don't think we need another speedy small WR. Im putting Dez Bryant and Jordan Shipley higher on my board. I think we need size over speed right now and a solid #1. I don't even know that we find that in either of these guys, but it may be worth a shot. If we did find a solid #1, who is the odd man out, Ginn, Hartline, Bess and Camarillo?? I know most are ready to throw Ginn to the dogs, but you cant teach speed and with a solid #1 he would be more of a deep threat. I think also they will have to evaluate if they can do anything in the FA market really depends on all this CBA mumbo jumbo too.

The odd man out depends on who we pick up. If we pick up a burner, then we can part with Ginn, or just use him as a full time kick returner. If not, we need Ginn to stretch the field and I think Bess should be the odd man out, especially if we can get good value for him. He makes a solid contribution, but I think we have seen the best we're going to get from him. He lacks speed, but has quickness and can get open on short routes. He has good, but not great hands. Camarillo has hands of glue and plays with Welker-like heart - he is too valuable to let go. Hartline has more speed than either Bess or Camarillo, and good upside. I would keep Bess as the 5th receiver if we can't get value for him, but otherwise I would trade him.

tay0365
12-29-2009, 05:45 PM
WRONG. Parcells let Ireland argue his case, but Parcells has the final say.

I don't think so, Parcells has already said he is no the GM or the HC, he is only there to give some advice, or give some help when asked. It could be all talk, but if you look at how the drafts and FA have gone, there is a lot of Ireland's signature on it.

Phantom
12-29-2009, 06:40 PM
We need a friggin playmaker on offense, these 16 play drives can't be the only way you score. to much can go wrong, turnovers, penalties.........

Third Eye
12-29-2009, 07:23 PM
Dez Bryant will be long gone by the time the Fins draft. I don't see us taking another wideout after two last year, but who knows with Ireland. All I know is he better have a freaking improved draft this year after the 2009 draft debacle. Get some bodies and LB's who fly around. They have failed to upgrade inside LB in two years. The front 7 must be more stout and aggressive.

This team must sign a #1 WR but they won't be falling off trees either. Time to make a push for a guy they really want. A game changer.

skipp2myloo13
12-29-2009, 08:02 PM
Ireland acutally does alot of scouting as well..Usally gm's dont do that ...I think Parcells does have the final say but Ireland has alot of input..Plus Parcells wanted Ireland for a reason.... I am sure Ireland is still being trained by Parcells as well..
I think we go D- linemen in the first round...
*Terrance Mounty Cody anyone?..
Or I think this could happen..Have Randy Starks put on some weight..about 20 pounds. Move him to nose tackle ..
Then you have Merling Starks Landford as starters..then we draft another DE or resign Mcdaniel..Take a OLB in the draft first round..
We are going defense 1st round no doubt..
Turner is still a work in progress
Hartline has shown promise

No eff that!

skipp2myloo13
12-29-2009, 08:05 PM
Dez Bryant will be long gone by the time the Fins draft. I don't see us taking another wideout after two last year, but who knows with Ireland. All I know is he better have a freaking improved draft this year after the 2009 draft debacle. Get some bodies and LB's who fly around. They have failed to upgrade inside LB in two years. The front 7 must be more stout and aggressive.

This team must sign a #1 WR but they won't be falling off trees either. Time to make a push for a guy they really want. A game changer.

IDK why you are under the impression that teams let go of number 1 wide outs all willy nilly, but if you look this year it just isnt the case, A. Bryant and M. Floyd along with J. Avant. Those are not clear cut 1's in my book. A older receiver is not worth trading for when we have so many holes and a younger one can be taken with that pick. Another thing is if Dez will be long gone by 11-13 ish. who will take him?

MadDog 88
12-29-2009, 08:23 PM
IDK why you are under the impression that teams let go of number 1 wide outs all willy nilly, but if you look this year it just isnt the case, A. Bryant and M. Floyd along with J. Avant. Those are not clear cut 1's in my book. A older receiver is not worth trading for when we have so many holes and a younger one can be taken with that pick. Another thing is if Dez will be long gone by 11-13 ish. who will take him?
The older WR brings experience and immediate impact. I doubt Dez Bryant has any more of an impact then Michael Crabtree has thus far.

Free agency will determine the priority of the draft but there is no doubt the LB corps will be a high priority if not the highest.

And the 3 WR FA's that you listed are better then what we have on the roster.

skipp2myloo13
12-30-2009, 01:28 AM
The older WR brings experience and immediate impact. I doubt Dez Bryant has any more of an impact then Michael Crabtree has thus far.

Free agency will determine the priority of the draft but there is no doubt the LB corps will be a high priority if not the highest.

And the 3 WR FA's that you listed are better then what we have on the roster.

There is way more talent for LB's in FA than FA WR, and Bryant is a better draft prospect than any lb, not mcclain, so i see the logic saying sign backers draft BPA if its Bryant go Bryant, if not get Kindle, Spikes, Huges or Mcclain in here

ArmyFin7
12-30-2009, 11:25 AM
Lucky for us we have so many holes to fill, we can get BPA and need all in one.....then again I'm not sure how lucky that is....

Namor
12-30-2009, 11:46 AM
Next year is the draft for wide recievers.

greasyObnoxious
12-30-2009, 01:42 PM
Next year is the draft for wide recievers.

totally agree. but you have to ask yourself, if our FO doesn't pick Bryant if they have the chance to do it, why would they take any WR coming out in 2011?

BJJKID
12-30-2009, 03:47 PM
If the FO does not get a game changing WR, we'll be picking high in the next draft as well.