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iceblizzard69
11-16-2003, 10:21 AM
Russia 0 - 0 Wales http://soccernet.espn.go.com/report?id=131243&cc=5901

Spain 2 - 1 Norway http://soccernet.espn.go.com/report?id=131246&cc=5901

Scotland 1 - 0 Holland http://soccernet.espn.go.com/report?id=131242&cc=5901

Croatia 1 - 1 Slovenia http://soccernet.espn.go.com/report?id=131244&cc=5901

Latvia 1 - 0 Turkey http://soccernet.espn.go.com/report?id=131245&cc=5901

Wales put themselves in a very good position to go to Euro 2004 by getting a draw in Russia.

Spain needed a late own goal from Henning Berg to get the win at home.

Scotland shocked the way more talented Holland and got a win at home. Holland is now in trouble of missing out on Euro 2004, which would be the second straight missed tournament for the Dutch. They also failed to qualify for the 2002 World Cup. It's amazing how such a talented side can play so poorly.

Croatia and Slovenia had a draw in Croatia.

Latvia pulled off a major upset by beating Turkey at home.

These are all two leg aggregate series, so you advance based on goal differential. If both teams score the same amount of goals, then the winner is whoever scored the most away goals. If that is also the same, then it goes to penalties.

The second leg of each series will be played on Wednesday.

Prime Time
11-16-2003, 06:50 PM
I am shocked at how bad Holland has been playing. They have too much talent to play this poorly. They have Kluivert, RVN etc. This is unacceptable, but I like it sinc they eliminated my Argies in the 98 World Cup...but I dislike it because I am missing out on some qulatiy football that RVN and the crew play.

iceblizzard69
11-16-2003, 08:14 PM
Holland continues to use RVN and Kluivert up front which just doesn't work. Makaay should be playing. He has been really good for Bayern Munich and I believe he won the Golden Boot last year when he was with Deportivo La Coruna.

Prime Time
11-17-2003, 12:44 AM
Kluivert should be playing Mid...end of story.

Dolfan02
11-17-2003, 11:26 AM
So is Netherlands out of qualification for Euro 2004? If so, thats really really odd because they had the 3rd best record (6-1-1) out of all the 50 teams in the qualifying rounds only behind France and Czech Republic. They have one of the most exciting and creative teams, they're one of my favorite national teams. Could it be the coaching perhaps? Certainly in my opinion it couldn't be the players with the likes of Van Nistelrooy, Davids, Overmars, Kluivert, and van der Meyde. I would have thought they already qualified for the Championship with 19 points in the qualifying, 3rd best? Thats really weird they might not go.

iceblizzard69
11-17-2003, 05:01 PM
They aren't out yet. The second leg in their series against Scotland is on Wednesday. However, Holland is in trouble since they lost to Scotland in the first one.

They didn't qualify because they finished second in their group (Czech Republic finished first). If you finish first in your group, you automatically go to Euro 2004. If you finish second, you have to play in a playoff. There are 10 groups, so 10 teams get in automatically, 5 get in through a playoff, and Portugal gets in automatically because they are the hosts.

Holland has a lot of talent but they aren't a good TEAM. Also, they usually use bad lineups which doesn't help. There is no reason to keep Makaay on the bench.

I want to see Scotland advance to Euro 2004. They just deserve it more than Holland does.

Dolfan02
11-17-2003, 08:02 PM
I've never seen the national team of Scotland play. They have been the lost wonders in the soccer world for being in a huge market and in central Europe. I imagine their style is identical to Ireland and England. It sure would be great to watch the Scotsmen advance to the Euro, and finally step up in international competition. Now, Wales and Northern Ireland are going to be on an island of their own.

iceblizzard69
11-17-2003, 10:34 PM
Originally posted by Dolfan02
I've never seen the national team of Scotland play. They have been the lost wonders in the soccer world for being in a huge market and in central Europe. I imagine their style is identical to Ireland and England. It sure would be great to watch the Scotsmen advance to the Euro, and finally step up in international competition. Now, Wales and Northern Ireland are going to be on an island of their own.

I've never seen them play either. However, from what I have heard, they have a lot of heart. They don't really have any stars, their top players are 19 year old Darren Fletcher (Manchester United), James McFadden (Everton), Barry Ferguson (Blackburn), and a few other guys.

Prime Time
11-18-2003, 12:51 AM
Didn't Scotland play USA in a Friendly this past summer? Or was that Wales...I believe it was Wales. BTW, IMO, Holland's coach sucks.

iceblizzard69
11-18-2003, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by Prime Time
Didn't Scotland play USA in a Friendly this past summer? Or was that Wales...I believe it was Wales. BTW, IMO, Holland's coach sucks.

We played Wales but they didn't bring any of their top players. The whole USA side for that match was players from DC United and San Jose because those were the only two MLS teams that had that weekend off. The USA won but the friendly was a waste of time.

Prime Time
11-18-2003, 10:04 PM
No it wasn't. It gave some young guys some experience.

Dolfan02
11-19-2003, 07:16 PM
www.soccernet.com/index (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/index?cc=5901)

Well so much for Scotland qualifying for the European Championship 2004, they lost to Netherlands by a whooping 6-0 and fail to qualify. I knew Netherlands wouldn't go down that easy. Wales fails to qualify, Russia advances. Spain advances. Croatia advances over Slovenia.

But the most shocking winner: Latvia defeats Turkey in aggregate goals to advance to the Euro 2004. Guys... I just said Latvia beat Turkey. Thats like if Canada beat Argentina. Their country's president said "This is the greatest achievement in Latvian football history." First time they qualify for an international tournament since becoming an independent nation.

Anyways for my predictions of the torney: Czech Republic over Netherlands.

iceblizzard69
11-19-2003, 07:42 PM
Netherlands in the final? lol

This is the first time Holland has actually played as a team. They won't do that well in Euro 2004.

I am disapointed that Wales and Scotland did not go through, I wanted to see both nations make it.

It is too early to make predictions, but I think France, Italy, England, Portugal (hosts), and Spain are the teams to watch out for. It is so typical to say most of these teams, but that is just how it is. Maybe the Czech Republic will be able to make a run.

And Latvia beat Turkey. :lol:

Dolfan02
11-19-2003, 09:33 PM
Originally posted by iceblizzard69
Netherlands in the final? lol

This is the first time Holland has actually played as a team. They won't do that well in Euro 2004.

I am disapointed that Wales and Scotland did not go through, I wanted to see both nations make it.

It is too early to make predictions, but I think France, Italy, England, Portugal (hosts), and Spain are the teams to watch out for. It is so typical to say most of these teams, but that is just how it is. Maybe the Czech Republic will be able to make a run.

And Latvia beat Turkey. :lol:

Thats exactly why I picked Netherlands. Everyone is doubting them and last week the media got all over them saying their arrogant. That sparked the motivation they needed, thats how them came out with a crushing 6-0 defeat of Scotland, their worst lost since 1954 against Uruguay. I think they have the most talented indivdual players and now they realize they need to play together to win. Thats how most teams overcome adversity (re: Ravens in 2001, Bucs in 2003), with criticism.

As for Czech Rep, they were in the final championship game in Euro 1996 losing to Germany 2-1. They went undefeated in qualifying this year only with a draw to Netherlands. I believe they're rated #2 in Europe behind France. And don't forget Germany, they're a favorite.

iceblizzard69
11-19-2003, 11:08 PM
Czech Republic played against a lot of crap teams though. Pavel Nedved is a great player but they just aren't as good as France, Italy, etc.

Germany is not a favorite. People still wonder how they made it to the finals of the 2002 World Cup. They played against a lot of bad teams. They were lucky to beat the USA, and as a USA fan I admit that we aren't exactly world class. Germany has some nice players but they aren't exactly the best team in Europe right now.

Dolfan02
11-20-2003, 01:24 AM
Originally posted by iceblizzard69
Czech Republic played against a lot of crap teams though. Pavel Nedved is a great player but they just aren't as good as France, Italy, etc.

Germany is not a favorite. People still wonder how they made it to the finals of the 2002 World Cup. They played against a lot of bad teams. They were lucky to beat the USA, and as a USA fan I admit that we aren't exactly world class. Germany has some nice players but they aren't exactly the best team in Europe right now.


Uhhh.. every powerhouse team in the qualifying rounds played crap teams, it was organized like that. The only 2 groups out of 10 which were stuck with 2 powerhouses in each one were Czech Rep/Netherlands and England/Turkey. Which means they actually played a tough team twice. Italy is better?...no. They lost to Wales and drew with Serbia twice. And, Nedved is not even considered their best player, their star forward is Jan Koller with 6 goals in the rounds. Milan Baros who plays for Liverpool is their other forward. Their other star is midfielder Vladimir Smicer who also starts for Liverpool who's amazing. They have other great players that play on top club teams in France, Italy and Germany. I've seen their current team play, they're real good. They remind me of Germany in the late 80's. On top of it all, the coach is a crazy old white-haired dictator who's considered a soccer wizard.

As for Germany making it to the finals in WC 2002... c'mon, people wondering if they should have made it? That goalie was the best goalie I've ever seen in my entire life watching soccer IMHO. He was a brick wall standing in front of the goal!

iceblizzard69
11-20-2003, 09:08 AM
Originally posted by Dolfan02



Uhhh.. every powerhouse team in the qualifying rounds played crap teams, it was organized like that. The only 2 groups out of 10 which were stuck with 2 powerhouses in each one were Czech Rep/Netherlands and England/Turkey. Which means they actually played a tough team twice. Italy is better?...no. They lost to Wales and drew with Serbia twice. And, Nedved is not even considered their best player, their star forward is Jan Koller with 6 goals in the rounds. Milan Baros who plays for Liverpool is their other forward. Their other star is midfielder Vladimir Smicer who also starts for Liverpool who's amazing. They have other great players that play on top club teams in France, Italy and Germany. I've seen their current team play, they're real good. They remind me of Germany in the late 80's. On top of it all, the coach is a crazy old white-haired dictator who's considered a soccer wizard.

As for Germany making it to the finals in WC 2002... c'mon, people wondering if they should have made it? That goalie was the best goalie I've ever seen in my entire life watching soccer IMHO. He was a brick wall standing in front of the goal!

There is more to it than just scoring goals. Nedved is by far the Czech Republic's best player. Koller is a good player but Nedved is world class. Some think Nedved is the best player in Europe today.

Serbia is a lot better than the teams in the Czech Republic's group (besides Holland) btw. Metija Kezman is one of the best strikers in Europe right now (better than Jan Koller :) ). He plays for PSV in Holland but there are rumors that he will go to Barcelona after the season.

Dolfan02
11-20-2003, 10:43 AM
Originally posted by iceblizzard69


There is more to it than just scoring goals. Nedved is by far the Czech Republic's best player. Koller is a good player but Nedved is world class. Some think Nedved is the best player in Europe today.

Serbia is a lot better than the teams in the Czech Republic's group (besides Holland) btw. Metija Kezman is one of the best strikers in Europe right now (better than Jan Koller :) ). He plays for PSV in Holland but there are rumors that he will go to Barcelona after the season.

Thats true, I can agree with you in the first part. But I've never seen Serbia play nor do I know who Kezman is, so I don't know.

Anyways, is any network planning on showing the Euro here in the States? Live or delayed basis?

iceblizzard69
11-20-2003, 10:55 AM
I have no idea if they plan on showing Euro 2004 in any way. My guess is that if they do show it here, it will be either on PPV or Fox Sports World.

Prime Time
11-22-2003, 02:26 PM
Please..USA is getting up there in talent...just look at some of our players we have. And Germany beat us by luck...that should have been a goal or a PK on the corner.