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hooshoops
01-07-2010, 10:56 AM
i can't wait...i'm like a kid in a candy store right now...

earl thomas, sergio kindle, rolando mcclain, stud 2011 rb marc ingram... etc

i saw that mcclain has been under the weather the last few days i guess with a stomach virus or something...my man better play

RealDriscoll
01-07-2010, 11:00 AM
This is a loaded game in terms of NFL talent.
Kareem Jackson, Terrence Cody, Rolando McClain, Javier Arenas, Justin Woodall, Colt McCoy, Colin Peek, Adam Ulatoski, Earl Thomas, Rodderick Muckelroy, Sergio Kindle, Lamarr Houston. Should be a dandy. We should all use this Threat to chat during the game

ColonelJ
01-07-2010, 11:06 AM
Watch the Bama line. The best in CFB. Terrence Cody #62, and #s 95,97,99,57.

Breed
01-07-2010, 11:42 AM
i can't wait...i'm like a kid in a candy store right now...

earl thomas, sergio kindle, rolando mcclain, stud 2011 rb marc ingram... etc

i saw that mcclain has been under the weather the last few days i guess with a stomach virus or something...my man better play

I really like Jordan Shipley, I hope he's there in the 3rd or 4th round.

ChambersWI
01-07-2010, 12:12 PM
I really like Jordan Shipley, I hope he's there in the 3rd or 4th round.

Shipley will probably fall to the 5 or 6 because of his knees.

Should be interesting. The Texas OL is getting a lot of crap for how they performed against Nebraska. However, people are leaving out that A)Suh had one of the best years for a DT in recent memory B)Nebraska's other DT Crick is pretty good too and C)Bo Pelini is IMO up there with the best of them as top Defensive Minds.

Granted if anybody can find a weakness in an opposing team's offense it's Saban, especially a team with no running game like Texas.

At the same time, IMO the SEC's defenses weren't as good as in years past and while Texas doesn't have a great defense, they have an one that can force TOs and score.

Not a fan of either team (Saban or not for Bama, it's hard for a guy that lives in Big 10/Big East country to like an SEC school), but I would like to see a guy like Colt McCoy leave college with the National Championship.

Dogbone34
01-07-2010, 12:24 PM
I want Colt McCoy to move himself into the top 10. Our draft options improve greatly with Clausen, Bradford, McCoy off the board and hopefully Tebow to Jax before the 12th pick.

greasyObnoxious
01-07-2010, 12:27 PM
I want Colt McCoy to move himself into the top 10. Our draft options improve greatly with Clausen, Bradford, McCoy off the board and hopefully Tebow to Jax before the 12th pick.

i think our draft position would look a lot better if Mallett declares. i couldn't imagine Al Davis passing up on Ryan Mallett.

LordPicklewagon
01-07-2010, 01:30 PM
i think our draft position would look a lot better if Mallett declares. i couldn't imagine Al Davis passing up on Ryan Mallett.


It wouldnt surprise me if Al Davis takes Taylor Mays

greasyObnoxious
01-07-2010, 01:32 PM
It wouldnt surprise me if Al Davis takes Taylor Mays

or Carlos Dunlap

JJW1339
01-07-2010, 02:34 PM
I hope Texas kicks Bama's a** and Saban cries on National TV.

hooshoops
01-07-2010, 03:07 PM
or Carlos Dunlap

yep

Ozfin77
01-07-2010, 06:45 PM
I want Colt McCoy to move himself into the top 10. Our draft options improve greatly with Clausen, Bradford, McCoy off the board and hopefully Tebow to Jax before the 12th pick.

Good point that.

I actually saw good 'ol Mel Kiper Jr. on TV today saying McCoy is a mid 2nd to early 3rd pick......I just shook my head and laughed. :rolleyes2::lol:

WelcomeBack
01-07-2010, 09:33 PM
Here we go

emeraldfin
01-07-2010, 09:43 PM
Great defensive series by Texas

emeraldfin
01-07-2010, 09:44 PM
What an awful call by Saban.

Way to give all the momentum to Texas.

greasyObnoxious
01-07-2010, 09:44 PM
bad idea by Gideon to intercept that pass. just bat it away.

WelcomeBack
01-07-2010, 09:46 PM
Colt McCoy hurt

tical
01-07-2010, 09:50 PM
mclain is either very slow or gives no effort laterally chasing the ball carrier! it seems as though if their not coming straight at him! well forget it his not trying!

emeraldfin
01-07-2010, 09:53 PM
Great goal line stand by Bama

hooshoops
01-07-2010, 09:54 PM
that was a shot mccoy took on that play...without him i'd say texas is toast

ChadHenne
01-07-2010, 09:55 PM
Everytime Cody Johnson has tried to run it up the middle, it seems McClain is always the guy who wrestles him to the ground. Showing some great brute strength out there.

hooshoops
01-07-2010, 09:55 PM
mclain is either very slow or gives no effort laterally chasing the ball carrier! it seems as though if their not coming straight at him! well forget it his not trying!

easy buddy...only 1 possession lol

ChadHenne
01-07-2010, 09:57 PM
Wow, Alabama is not looking sharp. They don't look prepared right now.

tical
01-07-2010, 09:57 PM
easy buddy...only 1 possession lol


actually i wish that was the case i watched him very closely during florida! it was the same!

ChambersWI
01-07-2010, 09:58 PM
Colt will be back at some point. Colt's not gonna miss this.

hooshoops
01-07-2010, 10:01 PM
actually i wish that was the case i watched him very closely during florida! it was the same!

well i didn't see that vs florida...and i watched the game multiple times

greasyObnoxious
01-07-2010, 10:03 PM
good pressure by texas so far

hooshoops
01-07-2010, 10:07 PM
man earl thomas impresses me...watch him close on the ball either in coverage or run down ingram at the sideline

a great player

kindle doing solid work standing up so far

ChambersWI
01-07-2010, 10:08 PM
McElroy may have decent looking stats, but he really isn't a good QB. JP Wilson had the ability to make plays in different ways. McElroy benefitted from a down year in the SEC defenses.

Also, Julio Jones is a physically great WR, but he's disappeared WAY too much this season.

oh and True Sophomore safety Blake Giddeon is a decent looking player, but he's got stiff hips. Noticed that on Ingram's run

arydolphin
01-07-2010, 10:11 PM
I'd love to see that play that McClain just made for the Dolphins next year! Look at the anticipation and explosion on the ballcarrier.

hooshoops
01-07-2010, 10:16 PM
mcclain has something i think is critical to be a special ilb in the nfl...top notch instincts

ChambersWI
01-07-2010, 10:16 PM
if Colt can't come back Texas has to show confidence in Gilbert. He's a great prospect in his own right with great tools. Yes he's a true Freshmen, but you can't do run, run, screen all night especially when you've had no running game all year.

hooshoops
01-07-2010, 10:18 PM
agreed...this is gonna be too easy for the bama defense if texas doesn't threaten the field

this is pennington vs the ravens in the playoffs 2 years ago easy to defend

bama is just gonna jump everything underneath and bring pressure

hooshoops
01-07-2010, 10:19 PM
colin peek doesn't look bad as an in line te later

tical
01-07-2010, 10:21 PM
i am impress with Ingram is he coming out?

hooshoops
01-07-2010, 10:22 PM
i am impress with Ingram is he coming out?

1 more year...stud rb in 2011

reminds me of emmitt smith with better speed maybe

tical
01-07-2010, 10:23 PM
mcclain has something i think is critical to be a special ilb in the nfl...top notch instincts


i agree great instincts for defending the inside!

RHoffman
01-07-2010, 10:24 PM
Can we stop the rolando mclain vs. Spikes. Its ludicrous to compare the two. Mcclain for #12 to miami please

tical
01-07-2010, 10:24 PM
1 more year...stud rb in 2011

reminds me of emmitt smith with better speed maybe


he is ready for the nfl now!

ChambersWI
01-07-2010, 10:25 PM
this game is going to get really boring now

hooshoops
01-07-2010, 10:28 PM
Can we stop the rolando mclain vs. Spikes. Its ludicrous to compare the two. Mcclain for #12 to miami please

i'm with you there...

mcclain has already made more plays than crowder has in his career in this game...lol

hooshoops
01-07-2010, 10:29 PM
he is ready for the nfl now!

absolutely

Ozfin77
01-07-2010, 10:29 PM
Colt not happy leaving the x-ray room and the young back up just got hurt on that last play too!

SR 7
01-07-2010, 10:30 PM
i'm with you there...

mcclain has already made more plays than crowder has in his career in this game...lol

lmao exactly.

Right now I am McClain as 1st choice, Thomas FS as 2nd and Graham as 3rd.

ColonelJ
01-07-2010, 10:31 PM
he is ready for the nfl now!

Thre are at least 12 players on the field ready for NFL tonight.

ChambersWI
01-07-2010, 10:31 PM
Texas really good against pass, really bad against run

arydolphin
01-07-2010, 10:33 PM
I just saw McClain down on the punt coverage team, interesting that he plays on special teams for Bama with the college rosters being so big compared to the NFL.

Julio Jones is extremely under-utilized in this offense. He's not eligible to come into the draft for another year, and AJ Green gets more pub in the SEC, but I think Jones could be a really good WR in the NFL. He's also a big guy at WR and a good run-blocker, I think Parcells would like him for those reasons.

Dogbone34
01-07-2010, 10:34 PM
McClain is perfect for Miami

Earl Thomas looks like a young Troy Polamalu

hooshoops
01-07-2010, 10:35 PM
the only knock i have on mcclain is i'd like to see him be more physical and have a better motor pursuing the ball when the play is down the field...

but you know the more i watch him i don't think he can't play physical i just think he does whatever he needs to get the job done and i think in the nfl he'll again do whatever is necessary...

he is imo a great coverage lb and has like i said earlier great instincts

ChambersWI
01-07-2010, 10:36 PM
Texas playcalling is awful Freshmen or not, this is awful

hooshoops
01-07-2010, 10:37 PM
and mcclain makes another great play

he's easy top 10 material imo

SR 7
01-07-2010, 10:37 PM
McClain is a monster....look at him ****kk

hooshoops
01-07-2010, 10:38 PM
Texas playcalling is awful Freshmen or not, this is awful

yep but i doubt the kid got any reps the last 3 weeks in game prep...zilch

ColonelJ
01-07-2010, 10:38 PM
the only knock i have on mcclain is i'd like to see him be more physical and have a better motor pursuing the ball when the play is down the field...

but you know the more i watch him i don't think he can't play physical i just think he does whatever he needs to get the job done and i think in the nfl he'll again do whatever is necessary...

he is imo a great coverage lb and has like i said earlier great instincts

He is good inside the tackles. His a monster there. Sideline to Sideline, not so much. But he would be a serious upgrade at mike.

ChambersWI
01-07-2010, 10:39 PM
you all can kiss McClain good bye. If he comes out, he isn't falling to us when teams like Denver, KC, and Cleveland all needing parts to their 3-4.

Ozfin77
01-07-2010, 10:39 PM
McClain will be playing for Detroit or Kansas City next season.....Gone by pick 5!

hooshoops
01-07-2010, 10:40 PM
He is good inside the tackles. His a monster there. Sideline to Sideline, not so much. But he would be a serious upgrade at mike.

dude he flows down the los and has serious speed...i don't know where you're getting that

Ozfin77
01-07-2010, 10:41 PM
Game over my friends....lol

ColonelJ
01-07-2010, 10:41 PM
Where was the safety??? Palomalu??

tical
01-07-2010, 10:41 PM
the only knock i have on mcclain is i'd like to see him be more physical and have a better motor pursuing the ball when the play is down the field...

but you know the more i watch him i don't think he can't play physical i just think he does whatever he needs to get the job done and i think in the nfl he'll again do whatever is necessary...

he is imo a great coverage lb and has like i said earlier great instincts


easy there i'm not sure about that!

hooshoops
01-07-2010, 10:42 PM
and that rb richardson is gonna be a monster...future stud there also

ColonelJ
01-07-2010, 10:42 PM
dude he flows down the los and has serious speed...i don't know where you're getting that
Agree. McClain is monster. He will be taken in top 10.

hooshoops
01-07-2010, 10:43 PM
you all can kiss McClain good bye. If he comes out, he isn't falling to us when teams like Denver, KC, and Cleveland all needing parts to their 3-4.

pretty much...

ColonelJ
01-07-2010, 10:44 PM
and that rb richardson is gonna be a monster...future stud there also

There are a ton of great players tonight:

McClain, Cody, Deadrick, Washington at DL, Mike Johnson OG, Ingram and Richardson, Arenas,

Texas: Ulatoski OL, Houston DL, Kindle, Earl Thomas, Shipley, Colt.
Ton of talent on the field.

emeraldfin
01-07-2010, 10:44 PM
Game is starting to get away from Texas. Not doing anything on offense and cant defend the run. Will lose this game by some margin if that continues.

hooshoops
01-07-2010, 10:44 PM
i don't see a shot in the world that mcclain gets by denver unless they trade marshall in which case i think they'll take bryant

my top 2 targets for us other than berry

Dogbone34
01-07-2010, 10:46 PM
i'm glad dez bryant doesn't have a bowl game

ColonelJ
01-07-2010, 10:47 PM
What a play by McClain! What penetration!

emeraldfin
01-07-2010, 10:47 PM
Disaster for Texas. Just when it looked like the offense was coming back into the game, Gilbert throws a pick.

hooshoops
01-07-2010, 10:48 PM
i haven't been wathcing them that closely but it looks like to me shipley can't get off press from arenas

ChambersWI
01-07-2010, 10:48 PM
only one player on Texas's offense is a consistent player (Shipley), and Texas's defense is horrible at tackling.

ChambersWI
01-07-2010, 10:51 PM
whoever asked about Earl Thomas, there he is

emeraldfin
01-07-2010, 10:51 PM
Huge play by Thomas there

ColonelJ
01-07-2010, 10:52 PM
Earl Thomas. Whoa!

ColonelJ
01-07-2010, 10:54 PM
Shipley's got some moves.

ChambersWI
01-07-2010, 10:56 PM
everybody in Texas's front 7 is seeing their stock fall badly.

Breed
01-07-2010, 10:57 PM
Before watching this game, I would've been thrilled if we picked McClain with the 12th pick. Now I'm not sure he's worth a mid-late first round pick. For all of McClains instincts, he has a low motor and poor speed (looks like he has 4.8-4.9 speed on the field).

As for Earl Thomas, I still like him, but he doesn't look like someone Parcells would want. He lacks size and isn't all that good in run support (at least if this game is any indicator)

SR 7
01-07-2010, 10:58 PM
Denver just resigned DJ WILLIAMs to a big contract i doubt they go ILB again to stack up 2 expensive ones.

ChambersWI
01-07-2010, 10:59 PM
Before watching this game, I would've been thrilled if we picked McClain with the 12th pick. Now I'm not sure he's worth a mid-late first round pick. For all of McClains instincts, he has a low motor and poor speed (looks like he has 4.8-4.9 speed on the field).

As for Earl Thomas, I still like him, but he doesn't look like someone Parcells would want. He lacks size and isn't all that good in run support (at least if this game is any indicator)

he's really not playing run support. The one time he attacked the LOS he made a play. They're playing him deep

Breed
01-07-2010, 11:02 PM
he's really not playing run support. The one time he attacked the LOS he made a play. They're playing him deep

I know that, but he's still missed on a handful of tackles.

hooshoops
01-07-2010, 11:02 PM
everybody in Texas's front 7 is seeing their stock fall badly.

i agree with that...

kindle is getting pushed around a lot by the bama oline but even by the tight end peek and that just won't work in a solb

earl thomas closes well but he's not gonna wrap up vs the run...he dives in the legs...still think he's a hell of a player but he looks a little small...is he really 5 ft 10 and more than 190 lbs??? he still well worth a 1st round pick imo...he's not dropping for me

shipley on tape i've seen shows some nice footwork and moves but he's gonna have to get off press in the nfl...

Dogbone34
01-07-2010, 11:05 PM
As for Earl Thomas, I still like him, but he doesn't look like someone Parcells would want. He lacks size and isn't all that good in run support (at least if this game is any indicator)

i kind of agree with you

ColonelJ
01-07-2010, 11:05 PM
That DL Darreus will be a monster next year.

ChambersWI
01-07-2010, 11:06 PM
This is really showing that Texas has only been a 2 man team of Shipley and Colt. No running game, and the other WRs have no hands

hooshoops
01-07-2010, 11:08 PM
this game was over the second colt mccoy left the field

i really wish i could find a guy as a solb who blows me away...

my next stop is brandon graham...we'll see how good he looks in lb drills

biggiesmalls3k1
01-07-2010, 11:09 PM
frickin saban...that Dareus guy is gonna be a BEAST next season, the guy is everywhere making plays...i still stand by McClain at #12...its a shame McCoy went down, this game would be tight with him in it...

ChambersWI
01-07-2010, 11:10 PM
this game was over the second colt mccoy left the field

i really wish i could find a guy as a solb who blows me away...

my next stop is brandon graham...we'll see how good he looks in lb drills

Graham is not a SOLB. If that's what you want, you are going to have to wait a year or 2. He's not a bullrusher like Woodley was at Michigan (though Woodley did/does have pass rushers). Graham relies on a fast first step, and moves more than Woodley.

hooshoops
01-07-2010, 11:11 PM
Graham is not a SOLB. If that's what you want, you are going to have to wait a year or 2. He's not a bullrusher like Woodley was at Michigan (though Woodley did/does have pass rushers). Graham relies on a fast first step, and moves more than Woodley.

4-3 end to you??? who do you like as a solb???

ChambersWI
01-07-2010, 11:12 PM
Thomas going low in the running game doesn't bother me too much. He's smaller than Ingram and he's saved a lot of runs from being bigger runs.

Sergio Kindle looks good as a pass rusher, but he can not play the run at all.

tical
01-07-2010, 11:12 PM
honestly though, isn't shipley another hartline, cam not only because he's white! but because he has their style of game?

ChambersWI
01-07-2010, 11:14 PM
4-3 end to you??? who do you like as a solb???

Graham can be a 3-4 OLB, but he'd be for Porter's position. Graham is good against the run, but he a different player than Woodley. IMO I'd take Graham to be the rush LB.

Breed
01-07-2010, 11:14 PM
I know there are people on the board that are in love with McClain, but I really hope someone takes him before our pick. I know inside linebackers aren't usually the fastest of players, especially in a 3-4, but I expected Patrick Willis the way he was talked about and I just don't see it. I see him as a solid, but unspectacular player in the NFL.

hooshoops
01-07-2010, 11:16 PM
Thomas going low in the running game doesn't bother me too much. He's smaller than Ingram and he's saved a lot of runs from being bigger runs.

Sergio Kindle looks good as a pass rusher, but he can not play the run at all.

thomas is REAL good in coverage and has top notch ball skills and closes on the ball very well so in a free safety imo that's the most important thing...as gibril wilson getting torched in coverage over and over and over this year can illustrate...thomas is a willing run defender also imo...but he's not laying the wood but other than eric berry i can't think of another elite free safety prospect who will

sergio kindle has looked better vs the run on tape i've seen up until tonight but maybe it was that soft in conference schedule

hooshoops
01-07-2010, 11:16 PM
Graham can be a 3-4 OLB, but he'd be for Porter's position. Graham is good against the run, but he a different player than Woodley. IMO I'd take Graham to be the rush LB.

really??? hmmm....over jerry hughes???

tical
01-07-2010, 11:17 PM
I know there are people on the board that are in love with McClain, but I really hope someone takes him before our pick. I know inside linebackers aren't usually the fastest of players, especially in a 3-4, but I expected Patrick Willis the way he was talked about and I just don't see it. I see him as a solid, but unspectacular player in the NFL.


As i mentioned if the actions coming straight at him! he is a monster, but if it's going away from him forget it! what makes 3-4 lb great is power and speed speed speed...i'm sorry mclain not explosive that way he just isn't

ChambersWI
01-07-2010, 11:17 PM
I know there are people on the board that are in love with McClain, but I really hope someone takes him before our pick. I know inside linebackers aren't usually the fastest of players, especially in a 3-4, but I expected Patrick Willis the way he was talked about and I just don't see it. I see him as a solid, but unspectacular player in the NFL.

apples and oranges

hooshoops
01-07-2010, 11:18 PM
honestly though, isn't shipley another hartline, cam not only because he's white! but because he has their style of game?

imo he's another brandon stokely type

ArmyFin7
01-07-2010, 11:19 PM
How rediculous does it sound to think Parcells would take McCoy in the 2nd round? He really fits what Parcells wants in a QB...4 yr starter and such. IN NO WAY am I saying I like the idea, but for some reason it just wouldn't absolutely stun me.

hooshoops
01-07-2010, 11:19 PM
apples and oranges

yeah mcclain is not patrick willis...he's not ray lewis

slimm coined him on another site more in the brian urlacher mode and i agree with that...

ChambersWI
01-07-2010, 11:19 PM
thomas is REAL good in coverage and has top notch ball skills and closes on the ball very well so in a free safety imo that's the most important thing...as gibril wilson getting torched in coverage over and over and over this year can illustrate...thomas is a willing run defender also imo...but he's not laying the wood but other than eric berry i can't think of another elite free safety prospect who will

sergio kindle has looked better vs the run on tape i've seen up until tonight but maybe it was that soft in conference schedule

I'd say soft schedule. There are no power teams in the Big 12. The Big 12 relies on spreading the ball around and scat backs for the most part (A&M being the main exception I see)

mmikel30
01-07-2010, 11:20 PM
[quote=tical;1063282338]As i mentioned if the actions coming straight at him! he is a monster, but if it's going away from him forget it! what makes 3-4 lb great is power and speed speed speed...i'm sorry mclain not explosive that way he just isn't[/quote he is slow just like spikes is i think spikes has more of a motor though

Breed
01-07-2010, 11:20 PM
honestly though, isn't shipley another hartline, cam not only because he's white! but because he has their style of game?

I like Shipley a lot more than most people and I actually think he can be a damn good starter in the NFL. I'm not sure where he'll go, but if he does last until the 4th round, he'll be a good value pick. As for comparing him to Hartline, I like Hartline, but I like Shipley better. I think they have similar deep speed, but Shipley is quicker and has much better change of direction. I look forward to seeing how Shipley does (mostly getting off the jam) the week of the Senior Bowl.

ColonelJ
01-07-2010, 11:21 PM
As i mentioned if the actions coming straight at him! he is a monster, but if it's going away from him forget it! what makes 3-4 lb great is power and speed speed speed...i'm sorry mclain not explosive that way he just isn't

He blew through two lineman for a hurry on Bama interception. So, I agree that he is a monster at straight rush. I've seen Ray Lewis make bad angles sometimes. On that one play the RB just outran the D on the edge. It happens. But more often than not McClain gets them in the open field.

hooshoops
01-07-2010, 11:23 PM
spikes does have more of a motor...but spikes also overpursues and imo is not a guy i trust to be true to his responsibilities vs the run and pass...

heck spikes on tape is more physical but for my eyes he doesn't shed as well as mcclain and he's slower...

when mcclain turns on the jets he can really run for his size 6 ft 4 258 lbs

consider that size too when you guys are knocking him for his running...

mcclain imo is absolutely worth a top 10 pick...without question

Breed
01-07-2010, 11:26 PM
imo he's another brandon stokely type

I know I'm in the minority, but I believe Shipley can play on the perimeter as well as in the slot. IMO, he has the ability to be a starter at the next level, and if nothing else, he brings versatility.

hooshoops
01-07-2010, 11:26 PM
I like Shipley a lot more than most people and I actually think he can be a damn good starter in the NFL. I'm not sure where he'll go, but if he does last until the 4th round, he'll be a good value pick. As for comparing him to Hartline, I like Hartline, but I like Shipley better. I think they have similar deep speed, but Shipley is quicker and has much better change of direction. I look forward to seeing how Shipley does (mostly getting off the jam) the week of the Senior Bowl.

you sure about the change of direction thing??? hartline had 1 of the fastest 3 cone drill #'s at the combine of any wr

shipley is a slot wr to me and we have bess

hooshoops
01-07-2010, 11:27 PM
I know I'm in the minority, but I believe Shipley can play on the perimeter as well as in the slot. IMO, he has the ability to be a starter at the next level, and if nothing else, he brings versatility.

well i think he'll be at the senior bowl...i think

so he better get off press to play outside

ChambersWI
01-07-2010, 11:30 PM
really??? hmmm....over jerry hughes???

I gotta look more at Hughes. I've watched and rooted for Brandon Graham the last 4 years, I've seen very little of TCU

ChambersWI
01-07-2010, 11:31 PM
well i think he'll be at the senior bowl...i think

so he better get off press to play outside

I honestly wonder if it's playcalling. The Texas OC has been god awful giving Gilbert plays

hooshoops
01-07-2010, 11:33 PM
1 more thing about mcclain guys...he missed a few practices this week with flu like symptoms so i doubt he's 100 percent tonight...

and he still dominates the action

ChambersWI
01-07-2010, 11:35 PM
Malcolm Williams has no hands

Breed
01-07-2010, 11:39 PM
you sure about the change of direction thing??? hartline had 1 of the fastest 3 cone drill #'s at the combine of any wr

shipley is a slot wr to me and we have bess

Well Hartline has great change of direction for his size, but I still think Shipley has better change of direction. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Shipley is a bigger, slightly faster version of Wes Welker (Welker proably breaks more tackles and has slightly better hands). And unlike most people, I think Shipley can play on the perimeter. We'll get a better idea of how he can get off the press during the Senior Bowl practices.

hooshoops
01-07-2010, 11:39 PM
Malcolm Williams has no hands

no doubt...lol

hooshoops
01-07-2010, 11:41 PM
Well Hartline has great change of direction for his size, but I still think Shipley has better change of direction. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Shipley is a bigger, slightly faster version of Wes Welker. And unlike most people, I think Shipley can play on the perimeter. We'll get a better idea of how he can get off the press during the Senior Bowl practices.

well let me ask you this...you're talking about the 4th round for him and if he gets off press i can see that...

with our current wr core what we really need is a legit #1 wr...so you think that shipley can be that guy???...otherwise we've got all the other #2 #3 and slot wrs covered

we need dez bryant bar none

ChambersWI
01-07-2010, 11:42 PM
after watching Big Ben come back in and look good against us with a bad shoulder, and Phillip Rivers playing with a torn ACL a couple years ago, I lost a lot of respect for Colt not coming back. Unless it's a broken arm, or he's dying he should play

hooshoops
01-07-2010, 11:45 PM
i don't know if big ben was as bad off as he lead everyone to believe...i mean that was his throwing shoulder if i'm not mistaken and the ball still looked very good...

maybe that's just the pessimist in me...and dan dierdorf couldn't kiss his backside enough the entire game

Breed
01-07-2010, 11:47 PM
well let me ask you this...you're talking about the 4th round for him and if he gets off press i can see that...

with our current wr core what we really need is a legit #1 wr...so you think that shipley can be that guy???...otherwise we've got all the other #2 #3 and slot wrs covered

we need dez bryant bar none

Again, after the Senior Bowl practices, we'll have a better idea of how good he is at getting of the line. If it turns out that he can beat the press, like I suspect, then I actually think he does have an outside chance of being a #1. Although he's probably more of a very good #2/3 WR. But he also brings value on special teams. With that said, I'd love to see us daft Dez Bryant or Golden Tate.

Breed
01-07-2010, 11:51 PM
I talk up Shipley, and he drops the pass. <sigh>

hooshoops
01-07-2010, 11:52 PM
the more i watch kindle the more i think he might be a man without a position in the nfl...

not much of an array of pass rush moves...not stout vs the run...

not a solb not a wolb not a 4-3 end...not good

Breed
01-07-2010, 11:53 PM
the more i watch kindle the more i think he might be a man without a position in the nfl...

not much of an array of pass rush moves...not stout vs the run...

not a solb not a wolb not a 4-3 end...not good

Yeah, he looks like a project.

hooshoops
01-07-2010, 11:56 PM
Yeah, he looks like a project.

i think that's a good analysis...and i'll never take a guy to play solb in a 3-4 who can't handle an in line te early

ChambersWI
01-07-2010, 11:57 PM
the more i watch kindle the more i think he might be a man without a position in the nfl...

not much of an array of pass rush moves...not stout vs the run...

not a solb not a wolb not a 4-3 end...not good

he needs to go to a team like the Rams, or Eagles; 4-3 teams that blitz their LBs a lot. Kindle looked great last year as a 4-3 rush LB. This year they moved him to DE due to Orakpo and Roy Miller being gone, and he was fairly lackluster.

In the 2nd I'd consider him (we'll see how he tests out), but I'm having doubts of him as a 3-4 player.

tical
01-08-2010, 12:02 AM
mcelroy takes some of the stupidest sacks i've ever seen!

phineffect
01-08-2010, 12:05 AM
Mcclain looks great to me.. tearing up the screens, he is very smart. He is huge too.. ill taake him all day over any LB of ours

ChambersWI
01-08-2010, 12:07 AM
TD Shipley. I've been watching him, all game and he's getting open, but for some reason Gilbert is only looking at Malcolm Williams, and when he isn't they're calling WR screens.

Funny, if I'm the Texas OC and I have a true Freshmen QB you'd think I'd be looking at my All-American WR most of the game.

hooshoops
01-08-2010, 12:08 AM
i don't know how anyone can have terrence cody in the same zipcode as dan williams as a nose tackle...

i mean the rest of the bama dline is very bit as dominant tonight as cody has been and that's not close to the case with tennessee...

dan williams is the premier nose imo

Breed
01-08-2010, 12:11 AM
Shipley has disappointed me in this game. He usually has sure hands....

ColonelJ
01-08-2010, 12:12 AM
This is one heck of a game. Ton of talent.

ChambersWI
01-08-2010, 12:13 AM
Shipley has disappointed me in this game. He usually has sure hands....

one of his drops was a little high and IMO Arenas grabbed him. The last one he slowed down and it messed up his timing. Still should've caught it.

Now if we want to criticize a WR let's criticize Malcolm Williams.

Pinkboy
01-08-2010, 12:14 AM
Mcclain looks great to me.. tearing up the screens, he is very smart. He is huge too.. ill taake him all day over any LB of ours

well that's the understatement of the century.

McClain's toenail has more football talent than all our ILB's combined

hooshoops
01-08-2010, 12:15 AM
i'll be the first to admit that shipley will kill you if he gets a free release and he's getting a lot of that tonight to and that's a testament to the respect alabama is paying him but i've seen a decent amount of texas tape and he doesn't get pressed ever...

so yeah the senior bowl will go a long way in telling me what he'll be in the pros...eventual legit #1 wr however i don't see that at all...

hooshoops
01-08-2010, 12:16 AM
well that's the understatement of the century.

McClain's toenail has more football talent than all our ILB's combined

yep

Pinkboy
01-08-2010, 12:17 AM
Shipley is just a buffed up Brian Hartline

houtz
01-08-2010, 12:18 AM
I think after tonight McClain is a pipe dream. Give me Dez Bryant.

Breed
01-08-2010, 12:19 AM
Shipley is just a buffed up Brian Hartline

Apples and oranges....

phineffect
01-08-2010, 12:20 AM
i see drew bennet in shipley

ChambersWI
01-08-2010, 12:23 AM
i see drew bennet in shipley

Bennett has about 3 inches on Shipley

Breed
01-08-2010, 12:24 AM
one of his drops was a little high and IMO Arenas grabbed him. The last one he slowed down and it messed up his timing. Still should've caught it.

Now if we want to criticize a WR let's criticize Malcolm Williams.

True...

ColonelJ
01-08-2010, 12:24 AM
Shipley will be awesome . . .



with Payton Manning.

Pinkboy
01-08-2010, 12:24 AM
Imagine how much more dominant this Alabama team would be if they had a real QB.

This McElroy fella is garbage.

phineffect
01-08-2010, 12:25 AM
Bama qb is horrible tonight.. and where is julio jones??

hooshoops
01-08-2010, 12:25 AM
yeah...it's official for me kindle is not a guy i'd take early as a solb...he gets moved way too easy for my taste vs the run and when engaged doesn't get off...

Breed
01-08-2010, 12:25 AM
Bennett has about 3 inches on Shipley

Apparently, Shipley is comparable to every white WR out there.

Breed
01-08-2010, 12:26 AM
Shipley will be awesome . . .



with Payton Manning.

I could see the Patriots picking him.

ChambersWI
01-08-2010, 12:26 AM
Bama qb is horrible tonight.. and where is julio jones??

I dunno if it's cause of McElroy, but Julio Jones gets taken out of games way too easily.

ColonelJ
01-08-2010, 12:26 AM
yeah...it's official for me kindle is not a guy i'd take early as a solb...he gets moved way too easy for my taste vs the run and when engaged doesn't get off...

So you'd rather take a peak at Selvie later, or Hughes early?

hooshoops
01-08-2010, 12:27 AM
I think after tonight McClain is a pipe dream. Give me Dez Bryant.

lol...dez bryant probably is too as good as he looks on tape...that guy looks AWESOME

hooshoops
01-08-2010, 12:29 AM
So you'd rather take a peak at Selvie later, or Hughes early?

hmmm well hughes is a weakside guy only imo and the best pass rusher for a 3-4 defense in the draft...he takes plays off on tape and i don't like that but he has an array of pass rush moves and looks very natural and most effective as a standup player...

i haven't watched a whole lot of selvie but what i have seen has not impressed me

i can't find a solb that i love for us right now...i'm looking and i'm all ears...

ColonelJ
01-08-2010, 12:31 AM
i can't find a solb that i love for us right now...i'm looking and i'm all ears...

you mean: you can not find a guy in the first? There are some guys in the later rounds right? Would you take a shot at Kindle or Selvie in the second?

Pinkboy
01-08-2010, 12:34 AM
This freshman QB Gilbert for Texas, win or lose, I admire him for coming in and performing the way he is.

Tons of drops by the WR's. and the kid can feel pressure against that immensely talented Bama D and moves up to the line.

He has MUCH better awareness than the crappy Bama QB who is more experienced.

phineffect
01-08-2010, 12:35 AM
I loved selvie a couple years ago, seems very fast off the ball. think he battled some injuries.. COuld Dunlap play a OLB? He is 6'7 and pretty fast.. he is a freak

hooshoops
01-08-2010, 12:35 AM
i'm of the opinion that in a pass rusher you want an array of pass rush moves that are all effective...it's when you draft guys who are 1 trick ponies so to speak that you get in trouble because tackles etc in the nfl will make adjustments and you have to be able to counter them...

that's why i LOVE cam wake so much...he has an array of pass rush moves including a speed rush bull rush and spin move that imo are all plus moves and he has such damn good balance and acceleration when turning the corner and can get so low that it's eye popping for me...

cam wake is a HELL of a pass rusher...but he plays mostly as an end with his hands in the dirt...we need a standup player and i think hughes would be a very good one...

Pinkboy
01-08-2010, 12:35 AM
Right after I said that the kid threw a nice TD pass.

heh

Pinkboy
01-08-2010, 12:36 AM
and threw a nice rocket 2 pt conversion.

how bout that

Gilbert >>>> McElroy

hooshoops
01-08-2010, 12:37 AM
you mean: you can not find a guy in the first? There are some guys in the later rounds right? Would you take a shot at Kindle or Selvie in the second?

right now i don't think i would...kindle just isn't strong enough for my taste vs the run

but there's upside he needs to get stronger with his lower body...

hooshoops
01-08-2010, 12:38 AM
and i forgot to mention cam wake's acceleration off the snap...this kid is a special pass rusher he really is

WOPMasterG
01-08-2010, 12:38 AM
Frigin Texas QB's got some moves for a Freshman

ChambersWI
01-08-2010, 12:38 AM
See what happens when you go to an All American WR instead of a scrub like Malcolm Williams or trying to run the ball when your best rusher is your senior QB that got hurt?

I'm just going to point out that when Chad Henne was a Freshmen at Michigan, they had him throw to All American Braylon Edwards most of the time. Jimmy Claussen went to All American TE Jon Carlson. Point is when you have a reliable receiving option and an inexperienced QB, USE THAT GUY

ColonelJ
01-08-2010, 12:40 AM
I loved selvie a couple years ago, seems very fast off the ball. think he battled some injuries.. COuld Dunlap play a OLB? He is 6'7 and pretty fast.. he is a freak

I think that's a bit big for OLB. But you never know with Tuna. He likes them big. Heck, he had roth and Taylor at OLB.

houtz
01-08-2010, 12:41 AM
lol...dez bryant probably is too as good as he looks on tape...that guy looks AWESOME

While I agree there just aren't that many teams ahead of us that have a big need at WR.

ColonelJ
01-08-2010, 12:47 AM
and i forgot to mention cam wake's acceleration off the snap...this kid is a special pass rusher he really is

I agree. But his size is concerning. And they don't seem to trust him with edge protection.

Pinkboy
01-08-2010, 12:49 AM
ouch

poor kid was blindsided

hooshoops
01-08-2010, 12:52 AM
I agree. But his size is concerning. And they don't seem to trust him with edge protection.

for my eyes he's no worse than porter on the edge...

hooshoops
01-08-2010, 12:53 AM
While I agree there just aren't that many teams ahead of us that have a big need at WR.

as good as that kid looks somebody may come up for him...seriously

he's by far imo the top wr in the draft

Lord Of Miami
01-08-2010, 12:58 AM
hmmm well hughes is a weakside guy only imo and the best pass rusher for a 3-4 defense in the draft...he takes plays off on tape and i don't like that but he has an array of pass rush moves and looks very natural and most effective as a standup player...

i haven't watched a whole lot of selvie but what i have seen has not impressed me

i can't find a solb that i love for us right now...i'm looking and i'm all ears...

In Bill's 3-4 and ever 3-4 the the Weakside OLB also plays has to play Strongside from time to time.

SO saying this OLB is only this or that, really doesn't matter............and it really doesn't matter when we will be looking for both in FA and the draft.

hooshoops
01-08-2010, 01:00 AM
In Bill's 3-4 and ever 3-4 the the Weakside OLB also plays has to play Strongside from time to time.

SO saying this OLB is only this or that, really doesn't matter............and it really doesn't matter when we will be looking for both in FA and the draft.

please explain that further??? i realize that porter will change sides as a pass rusher mainly to get a rush vs the lower pass pro tackle but vs the run on obvious run downs you're telling me that porter lines up on the strong side sometimes???

TedSlimmJr
01-08-2010, 01:54 AM
McElroy may have decent looking stats, but he really isn't a good QB. JP Wilson had the ability to make plays in different ways. McElroy benefitted from a down year in the SEC defenses.

Also, Julio Jones is a physically great WR, but he's disappeared WAY too much this season.

oh and True Sophomore safety Blake Giddeon is a decent looking player, but he's got stiff hips. Noticed that on Ingram's run


Wrong....JPW would've had 2 sacks and 3 interceptions tonight instead of taking the 5 sacks like McElroy did....

His own teammates didn't even like him.....

I watched JPW in high school at Hoover.....and everyone close to the program was expecting big things from him...he may have left with all the school passing records...but he's not the quarterback McElroy is and not nearly the pro prospect..

Julio Jones is learning new positions this year....last year he was only a Z....he's learning the X, Z, etc.....

If you were to say that Julio disappeared WAY too much this year to Mark Ingram or Trent Richardson....they'd laugh in your face....he's the best blocking WR in college football...


There's so much wrong in this thread I don't even know where to start..

PALMA
01-08-2010, 02:15 AM
Saban is a stinking low life, but he makes putting together a high-profile college program look easy.

Ingram = wow. He's going to be a great pro when his time comes.

McClain seems to have just enough athleticism to impact the a college game. His excellent instincts and preperation (aided by Saban no doubt) elevates his level of play. A good combine and/or pro-day will really help his cause as there will be plenty of players he'll be able to get compared to. I get a Takeo Spikes, Jeremiah Trotter feeling with him.

Namor
01-08-2010, 10:40 AM
Imagine how much more dominant this Alabama team would be if they had a real QB.

This McElroy fella is garbage.

He played with 3 cracked ribs...

DaytonaDolFan13
01-08-2010, 11:04 AM
McCLAIN or BUST

hooshoops
01-08-2010, 05:30 PM
alright i've rewatched the 1st half and just keyed cody and earl thomas

1st off cody is out of the game a ton...like every other series almost it seems...but bama has such a loaded dline with those damn bigs...cody is only a 2 down player...

when he was singled up which for my eyes was a lot so far he dominated his man...when he was doubled he did well at the poa...he seems to have nice feet for his size in small areas...in other words he was jumping over guys on the ground b/t the tackles to get to the ball

i saw 1 play where he literally walked the olineman into the backfield and you could see the olineman just sliding straight back absolutely nothing he could do...

he doesn't move down the los as well as dan williams he doesn't pursue as well as dan williams he comes out of the game a lot unlike dan williams...he's probably stouter at the poa than williams but i think williams has more upside...especially as a pass rusher...dan williams is more sudden

i have to admit i've been pretty impressed with what i have seen but no way no how would i consider him at #12...i likely would at #43 now though...assuming he doesn't balloon up weight wise between now and the combine and has a strong showing at the senior bowl

earl thomas looks very good to me in space in coverage...but there's one thing i see that bothers me...he's not tackling with any consistency...in other words he comes high a couple plays i watched and when he tried to wrap up he just fell off...needs more strength and pop imo...he's not a hitter...i can see that...he's willing but just doesn't pack enough punch

one play early he tried to give the rb richardson a huge shot up high not even worrying about trying to tackle him just deliver a blow and see if richardson will go down...lol...well he just fell off richardson like a gnat...now saying that richardson is a freaking beast but i saw that on a few plays...when he goes low and dives in the legs he's more consistent...but he comes up in the hole with bad intentions vs the run

i don't know about #12 because of the size and i can see potential tackling consistency issues in the pros

ckparrothead
01-08-2010, 05:34 PM
That's been raised about Earl Thomas in this particular game but if you watch his total body of work, a bunch of games of his, I don't think you'd come away thinking tackling is an issue.

hooshoops
01-08-2010, 05:35 PM
That's been raised about Earl Thomas in this particular game but if you watch his total body of work, a bunch of games of his, I don't think you'd come away thinking tackling is an issue.

that's just it...i haven't seen that issue before so what do you think was the deal???

maybe it had to do with the fact that bama has 2 future stud rbs that he was having to tackle

TedSlimmJr
01-08-2010, 05:50 PM
that's just it...i haven't seen that issue before so what do you think was the deal???

maybe it had to do with the fact that bama has 2 future stud rbs that he was having to tackle


He needs to get stronger and he needs to add a few pounds....

Like I've said before...you don't want him up near the LOS mixing it up.....he's terrific at open field tackling....and he showed that on the play where he read his keys and took off like missile and shot Richardson's legs out from under him....

Listen...there's SEC linebackers that can't take Trent Richardson down without help....I've watched it over and over and over again all season...

Texas' defense has heard every single day for a month from Muschamp how physical and powerful Bama's two running backs are....and how hard they are to tackle and get on the ground.....I think eventually guys like Earl Thomas began to understand what Muschamp was talking about...

But there's also a reason why McElroy couldn't find any receivers consistently and had to take what amounts to 5 coverage sacks....and a big reason was Earl Thomas..

baseballcb95
01-08-2010, 06:16 PM
Im not saying he is but we dont need another softie on this team, we have sean and ginn. thats enough for me. stay away if there is any questions about tackling..

hooshoops
01-08-2010, 06:23 PM
slimm...do you think thomas has the frame to carry around 200 lbs and be just as effective as he is now???

TedSlimmJr
01-08-2010, 06:31 PM
slimm...do you think thomas has the frame to carry around 200 lbs and be just as effective as he is now???


He's already carrying around 200 pounds.....just under it....he doesn't need to add that much more weight to be effective in the way that he's going to be utilized..(maybe 5 more pounds of muscle)...he just needs to get stronger...

He can either do that in the NFL....or he can go back to Texas for another season and do it there...

All this talk about Earl Thomas at #12 is way out there IMO.....I don't even think it's feasable....you're not going to see safeties drafted in the top 15 unless they are absolutely elite prospects with rare measureables....

Thomas will come off the board in the latter portion of the 1st round at the earliest and most likely come off at the top of the 2nd round IMO....

SRM
01-08-2010, 06:34 PM
I don't blame Thomas for not getting Richardson down (there was a play he layed a nice pop on him low though).

I watched Richardson in HS here, and then at the college level, he is NOT going to be brought down on 1st contact very often.

hooshoops
01-08-2010, 06:41 PM
He's already carrying around 200 pounds.....just under it....he doesn't need to add that much more weight to be effective in the way that he's going to be utilized..(maybe 5 more pounds of muscle)...he just needs to get stronger...

He can either do that in the NFL....or he can go back to Texas for another season and do it there...

All this talk about Earl Thomas at #12 is way out there IMO.....I don't even think it's feasable....you're not going to see safeties drafted in the top 15 unless they are absolutely elite prospects with rare measureables....

Thomas will come off the board in the latter portion of the 1st round at the earliest and most likely come off at the top of the 2nd round IMO....

oh ok...i thought i saw he was listed at 5 ft 10 and 190...

TedSlimmJr
01-08-2010, 06:47 PM
oh ok...i thought i saw he was listed at 5 ft 10 and 190...

I can look at him and tell he's a little heavier than 190....probably 195-197...somewhere in there....

Short of any of us putting a tape up next to him and watching him step on the scale there's no way to know...

I've seen him listed at 5'11"...I've seen him listed at 5'10.......seen him listed at 190....seen him listed at 197....I think he's closer to 197...

Either way....he's not going top 15 IMO....

We'll just have to see how he measures at the combine if he declares....