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cobbs321
01-07-2010, 01:03 PM
He is probably the second best 3-4 OLB outside of Jerry Hughes who is the best. But this kid has talent, 6-4, 250 lbs. and runs a 4.5. 47 tackles, 17 TFLs, and 31 QB Hurries and only 3 sacks but that is because he was playing DE this year. last year he had 53 tackles, 10 sacks, 14 TFL, 15 pressures as an OLB. He should be around from mid 2nd to early 3rd. Do you think we look at him

Canadi-Phin
01-07-2010, 01:32 PM
If size really does matter to our FO then him and Ricky Sapp out of Clemson would both be on our radar. They are the two tallest OLB with talent in the draft. I can't believe that we would discount Hughes because of 2 inches but then its not my ideals.

cobbs321
01-07-2010, 01:33 PM
But will Hughes be available in the 2nd? cuz if he is i would take him.

RealDriscoll
01-07-2010, 02:46 PM
Ricky Sapp is an up and down player. I'll pass. I like Jerry Hughes of TCU in Round 2; Dexter Davis of Arizona State in Round 4; Brandon Lang of Troy in Round 4; Brandon Graham in Round 1

hooshoops
01-07-2010, 03:03 PM
hughes is weakside kindle is strongside...

talent_scout
01-07-2010, 03:43 PM
No. Fins dont look at Kindle here. As someone with 2 decades experience with talent evaluation - I no longer do it professionally, but I still travel around the country to get the ole measuring tape out on young athletes - I can assure you that the Fine wont be looking Kindle's way. He is a solid collegiate player, but my notes and scouting of him leads me to think he is too butt-heavy and lacks the crisp explosion you want to see at his position.

Decent athlete, decent range, but lacks that firecracker type explosion of speed and power. Sometimes plays limp-in-the-wash also (an insider's term for not being very stout or hard enough when he is surrounded by other strong men, such as the big-ugglies up front).

My grade on Kindle is a C+/B-, will be a decent Pro as long as he is not asked to do too much in the hole and is allowed to penetrate around the creases. Good kid though and I wish him all the best.

fgrocker
01-07-2010, 04:31 PM
He is a solid collegiate player, but my notes and scouting of him leads me to think he is too butt-heavy and lacks the crisp explosion you want to see at his position.

Best adjective I've seen on FH in a long time - kudos.

I think there's about 7-8 solid OLB prospects that will be available with our 2nd or 3rd round picks. No need to grab one early if there's another BPA.

ticophin
01-07-2010, 04:35 PM
No. Fins dont look at Kindle here. As someone with 2 decades experience with talent evaluation - I no longer do it professionally, but I still travel around the country to get the ole measuring tape out on young athletes - I can assure you that the Fine wont be looking Kindle's way. He is a solid collegiate player, but my notes and scouting of him leads me to think he is too butt-heavy and lacks the crisp explosion you want to see at his position.

Decent athlete, decent range, but lacks that firecracker type explosion of speed and power. Sometimes plays limp-in-the-wash also (an insider's term for not being very stout or hard enough when he is surrounded by other strong men, such as the big-ugglies up front).

My grade on Kindle is a C+/B-, will be a decent Pro as long as he is not asked to do too much in the hole and is allowed to penetrate around the creases. Good kid though and I wish him all the best.

Not to be abusive, but more in the spirit of taking advantage of your expertise, would you give us your personal guess on who the Fins might be targeting, and why? Thanx:up:

dahlmarino
01-07-2010, 05:33 PM
I kind of think he's overrated. But I haven't seen a whole lot of him, so that's really just my initial opinion.

Ozfin77
01-07-2010, 06:39 PM
I havent been all that impressed with what I've see either. Dont see much a of "motor" or tenacity and like others have said, there will be a few LB's to chose from in the 2nd....I'll certainly be watching closely tonight though!

I'd also be interested to know what talent_scout believes out initial pick will be.

hooshoops
01-07-2010, 06:59 PM
well i disagree...i see a guy with a plenty good motor...he pursues the ball and he looks good on his feet...

is he strong enough to play solb??? that's my question

and in the stuff i've seen he looked pretty good defending the run...not derrick morgan good or anything like that but solid imo

talent_scout
01-07-2010, 07:52 PM
Not to be abusive, but more in the spirit of taking advantage of your expertise, would you give us your personal guess on who the Fins might be targeting, and why? Thanx:up:

I need more time. Very interested in tonight's game, Senior Bowl, and work outs. I will be at the Senior Bowl, only as an invited guest. So I have considerable more tape to watch and calls to make before I come out with my Fin pick. Also need to consider teams picking ahead of Fins.

However, from my own analysis and the rumblings I have heard in the scouting community, I can give you 5 names (not in any particular order), of who Tuna and company will be targeting on draft day. This assessment does not take into consideration of the Fins moving up or down the draft board. As of now, my short list based on still incomplete information is:

1) Taylor Mays (likely gone by Fins pick if he impreses in post-season, but commitment to game issues could allow him to drop...I see Mays as least likely on this list, but I have heard this name from a trusted insider)

2) Dan Williams

3) Terrence Cody (I have huge concerns about his weight problems and I believe Fins coaches will see his obesity as red flag, could be a draft day dropper)

4) CJ Spiller (not a pressing need I know, but I have heard rumblings...where there is smoke there is fire)

5) Rolando McClain (rangy, athletic, talented LB you NEED...he is high on your board - guaranteed)

Other Names that I have seen discussed but I doubt:

1) Eric Berry (The cream of this crop. He will be long gone, but this is the difference maker you need in secondary)
2) Jason Pierre-Paul (not enough production. I have heard this name, but not enough bang for buck)
3) Brandon Spikes (will not be a Fin, def not in first round...Spikes will drop like stone this year, I would put my reputation on the line with that statement...bad hips, average body, not a great ballhawk, not a chance as a Fin)
4) Derrick Morgan - (Likely gone)
5) Dez Bryant - (hmmmm, rather not divulge yet, but I can say this, he is on the target list, will FIns have to deal to get him?)

And finally, REMEMBER this name:

Arrelious Benn (Fins wont take in mid first round, but this is a player high on their list so if they deal something and move up with that 2nd. Benn is a performer who played with a very inconsistent and marginally talented QB while at Illinois. I have him ranked above Golden Tate.)
Arrelious Benn

hooshoops
01-07-2010, 09:34 PM
if we take taylor mayes at #12 my foot is going thru my tv...no kidding

zodiak
01-07-2010, 10:20 PM
What so special about Derrick Morgan, I have watched him play the University of Miami 2yrs in a row.

I see him as a project at OLB perhaps teams that use a 4-3 might see a poor mans Dwight Freeney but as a OLB Im not sure.

as for talent_scout I think alot of what you say is some what common knowledge as to players that "fit" miami needs what I find interesting is the 2 names you mention Mays & Benn have some of the biggest question marks on them.

Williams maybe, Cody no way, spiller imo another luxury pick they cant afford.

bigchub22
01-07-2010, 11:46 PM
I need more time. Very interested in tonight's game, Senior Bowl, and work outs. I will be at the Senior Bowl, only as an invited guest. So I have considerable more tape to watch and calls to make before I come out with my Fin pick. Also need to consider teams picking ahead of Fins.

However, from my own analysis and the rumblings I have heard in the scouting community, I can give you 5 names (not in any particular order), of who Tuna and company will be targeting on draft day. This assessment does not take into consideration of the Fins moving up or down the draft board. As of now, my short list based on still incomplete information is:

1) Taylor Mays (likely gone by Fins pick if he impreses in post-season, but commitment to game issues could allow him to drop...I see Mays as least likely on this list, but I have heard this name from a trusted insider)

2) Dan Williams

3) Terrence Cody (I have huge concerns about his weight problems and I believe Fins coaches will see his obesity as red flag, could be a draft day dropper)

4) CJ Spiller (not a pressing need I know, but I have heard rumblings...where there is smoke there is fire)

5) Rolando McClain (rangy, athletic, talented LB you NEED...he is high on your board - guaranteed)

Other Names that I have seen discussed but I doubt:

1) Eric Berry (The cream of this crop. He will be long gone, but this is the difference maker you need in secondary)
2) Jason Pierre-Paul (not enough production. I have heard this name, but not enough bang for buck)
3) Brandon Spikes (will not be a Fin, def not in first round...Spikes will drop like stone this year, I would put my reputation on the line with that statement...bad hips, average body, not a great ballhawk, not a chance as a Fin)
4) Derrick Morgan - (Likely gone)
5) Dez Bryant - (hmmmm, rather not divulge yet, but I can say this, he is on the target list, will FIns have to deal to get him?)

And finally, REMEMBER this name:

Arrelious Benn (Fins wont take in mid first round, but this is a player high on their list so if they deal something and move up with that 2nd. Benn is a performer who played with a very inconsistent and marginally talented QB while at Illinois. I have him ranked above Golden Tate.)
Arrelious Benn

Finally someone who realizes he is no Mclain

Lord Of Miami
01-08-2010, 12:33 AM
No. Fins dont look at Kindle here. As someone with 2 decades experience with talent evaluation - I no longer do it professionally, but I still travel around the country to get the ole measuring tape out on young athletes - I can assure you that the Fine wont be looking Kindle's way. He is a solid collegiate player, but my notes and scouting of him leads me to think he is too butt-heavy and lacks the crisp explosion you want to see at his position.

Decent athlete, decent range, but lacks that firecracker type explosion of speed and power. Sometimes plays limp-in-the-wash also (an insider's term for not being very stout or hard enough when he is surrounded by other strong men, such as the big-ugglies up front).

My grade on Kindle is a C+/B-, will be a decent Pro as long as he is not asked to do too much in the hole and is allowed to penetrate around the creases. Good kid though and I wish him all the best.

I don't think he'd be a top 12 pick because of the way he plays the run.

All your talk about him not having firecracker explosion will make you look silly here...............I mean that's all the guy has.If he didn't have that no one would talk about him at all.

BTW~ Got this from Twitter

DraftCountdown (http://twitter.com/DraftCountdown)
Texas DE / OLB Sergio Kindle is having a nice night. Looks the part of a Top 10-15 overall pick.

PALMA
01-08-2010, 03:13 AM
if we take taylor mayes at #12 my foot is going thru my tv...no kidding

Don't be surprised! They can't seem to evaluate safety play to save their lives!

RealDriscoll
01-08-2010, 09:53 AM
Serio had a beast of a game last night but don't expect him to be on our radar. Sergio is a WOLB and we have young Cameron Wake Developing there. We need a SOLB. Someone like Brandon Graham is more down our alley

MiamiDolfan85
01-08-2010, 04:48 PM
He is probably the second best 3-4 OLB outside of Jerry Hughes who is the best. But this kid has talent, 6-4, 250 lbs. and runs a 4.5. 47 tackles, 17 TFLs, and 31 QB Hurries and only 3 sacks but that is because he was playing DE this year. last year he had 53 tackles, 10 sacks, 14 TFL, 15 pressures as an OLB. He should be around from mid 2nd to early 3rd. Do you think we look at him
I dont think Hughes is the best 3-4 OLB.Hes good,solid,but he isnt great.Id take Brandon Graham over him anyday.Graham is the best 3-4 OLB IMO.

btw,Kindle runs a 4.7....4.6 at best,but he does not run a 4.5.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=OLB&draftyear=2010&sortby=tsxpos&order=ASC

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2010_OLB

Lord Of Miami
01-08-2010, 08:38 PM
Serio had a beast of a game last night but don't expect him to be on our radar. Sergio is a WOLB and we have young Cameron Wake Developing there. We need a SOLB. Someone like Brandon Graham is more down our alley

Who ever told you they are saving a spot for Cam as a OLB is just lost as to how Miami runs things............... and if you didn't know Cam Cameron isn't in Miami anymore and he's the only person in the NFL that would do something as dumb as that.

OrlandoFin
01-09-2010, 12:05 PM
I can assure you that the Fine wont be looking Kindle's way. He is a solid collegiate player, but my notes and scouting of him leads me to think he is too butt-heavy and lacks the crisp explosion you want to see at his position.

I would actually argue that his explosiveness is his best attribute. He already plays with his hand down and standing up, drops into coverage, and chases the play well. I am not pinning his ability on one game or one play, but one of the sacks he had against Bama, showed how explosive he is.

He was to drop back into zone coverage and read the back staying into block, then made a quick step inside and blew right by the RT for a sack. I thought that play showed as good of explosion into a play as anyone in the draft.

Now he may not be on the radar at #12, but I'd be shocked if he's not on the radar at all...JMO

ColonelJ
01-09-2010, 12:13 PM
Kindle is a top 6 defensive player in the draft.

Kdawg954
01-10-2010, 01:21 PM
I am on the Kindle bandwagon also. I knew he was good, but he really stepped up against Bama. What an athlete at a position of need. Potentially Shawn Merriman.

dolfan91
01-13-2010, 02:51 PM
I just read a tremendous write up about Kindle on Paul's Pigskin website ... he thinks he'd make a very good OLB in the pros ...

#1dolphinsfan
02-23-2010, 02:03 AM
No. Fins dont look at Kindle here. As someone with 2 decades experience with talent evaluation - I no longer do it professionally, but I still travel around the country to get the ole measuring tape out on young athletes - I can assure you that the Fine wont be looking Kindle's way. He is a solid collegiate player, but my notes and scouting of him leads me to think he is too butt-heavy and lacks the crisp explosion you want to see at his position.

Decent athlete, decent range, but lacks that firecracker type explosion of speed and power. Sometimes plays limp-in-the-wash also (an insider's term for not being very stout or hard enough when he is surrounded by other strong men, such as the big-ugglies up front).

My grade on Kindle is a C+/B-, will be a decent Pro as long as he is not asked to do too much in the hole and is allowed to penetrate around the creases. Good kid though and I wish him all the best.
i see you have posts that you started not to long ago about all the stuff you do and are doing but in this post you say you dont do it professionally so how would you know any of that stuff

Conuficus
02-23-2010, 08:04 AM
Kindle is a top 6 defensive player in the draft.

coffee spray smiley

clashcityrocker
02-23-2010, 08:34 AM
No. Fins dont look at Kindle here. As someone with 2 decades experience with talent evaluation - I no longer do it professionally, but I still travel around the country to get the ole measuring tape out on young athletes - I can assure you that the Fine wont be looking Kindle's way. He is a solid collegiate player, but my notes and scouting of him leads me to think he is too butt-heavy and lacks the crisp explosion you want to see at his position.

Decent athlete, decent range, but lacks that firecracker type explosion of speed and power. Sometimes plays limp-in-the-wash also (an insider's term for not being very stout or hard enough when he is surrounded by other strong men, such as the big-ugglies up front).

My grade on Kindle is a C+/B-, will be a decent Pro as long as he is not asked to do too much in the hole and is allowed to penetrate around the creases. Good kid though and I wish him all the best.


Like Vida Guerra?

j-off-her-doll
02-23-2010, 11:10 AM
I don't think he'd be a top 12 pick because of the way he plays the run.

All your talk about him not having firecracker explosion will make you look silly here...............I mean that's all the guy has.If he didn't have that no one would talk about him at all.

BTW~ Got this from Twitter

DraftCountdown (http://twitter.com/DraftCountdown)
Texas DE / OLB Sergio Kindle is having a nice night. Looks the part of a Top 10-15 overall pick.

He's not explosive and he doesn't penetrate well.

footsteps_falco
02-23-2010, 12:05 PM
i disagree. i think this guys stats look weak in comparison with other linebackers. Sean weatherspoon may be the best linebacker coming out period he is an OLB but everyone has said he can play any LB position, his stats show he would definitely make a great ILB. i posted something a month or two ago, it had like 7 or 8 LB's coming out (mostly OLB) and their career stats so it was easy to compare, kindle was at the bottom. im not a fan of brandon spikes. imho the best LB's coming out are Brandon Graham followed by Jerry Hughes, only by a hair id say Sean Weatherspoon, A.J Edds, then maybe sergio kindle