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NMPhinsFan
01-09-2010, 03:10 AM
With him declaring for the draft, how would you guys feel if we drafted him #12 to replace Gibril? We need a ballhawk in the secondary and he is just that.

Go into next season with Allen/Davis at CB and Bell/Thomas at safety.

Assuming we don't trade up to get Berry.

Tiko377
01-09-2010, 03:30 AM
i like him he has good range for a safety but i would not take him at no.12 if we do like him and want him/ dez bryant is gone.

i wouldnt mind trading back like a couple spots and get him and get another draft pick.

dr.jake
01-09-2010, 11:08 AM
#12 is too high to pick the second best safety.

MiamiDolfan85
01-09-2010, 02:17 PM
really dont think Sparano would be admitting he was wrong for signing Gibril to that rediculous contract,and asking Ross for another $10-12M in guarantees to draft the same position.

Xeticus
01-09-2010, 02:35 PM
really dont think Sparano would be admitting he was wrong for signing Gibril to that rediculous contract,and asking Ross for another $10-12M in guarantees to draft the same position.
One of the big problems I have with this FO is they don't cut their losses. How long did it take for them to cut Ernest Wilford? How long did it take for them to take Ted "Downy" Ginn out of the starting rotation and give Hartline a shot?

From past performance I expect them to keep Wilson one more year and try to redeem him. We'll probably draft another safety but it'll be later 3rd-6th rounds I feel.

MrEd
01-09-2010, 05:26 PM
really dont think Sparano would be admitting he was wrong for signing Gibril to that rediculous contract,and asking Ross for another $10-12M in guarantees to draft the same position.

According to a conversation Gil Brandt (close friend of Parcells) had on the radio, he said that when MIA signed Wilson it was to replace Bell at SS. He said that Bell basically signed a one year deal that included a $14mil roster bonus due in 2010 (which obviously forces the the two sides to renegociate deal after 2009 season) and that Wilson (who was our second leading tackler this year) who is younger than Bell and is better suited for SS than FS, basically signed a long term deal to be Bell's eventual replacement at SS.

I believe that they drafted Clemons to be groomed behind Wilson as the eventual starting FS, so I definitely would NOT draft Thomas, especially not at #12. In fact, with the improvement this year by Jason Allen, and him already having experience at FS both in college and in the pros (where he led the team in INTS a few years ago) they can basically move Jason Allen back to FS (where he seems better suited for) to compete with Clemons and the winner starts/loser is the backup and plays STs (which Jason Allen excels at).

I don't believe MIA has to do anything personel-wise to the Safety spot. If Bell renegociates deal, he battles it out with Wilson for the starting/backup SS spot. If Bell does NOT renegociate deal (which after the impressive season he had and the fact that there will not be much competition in the FA market, I believe Bell will NOT renegociate and can make big bucks elsewhere...while Parcells covered his tracks by signing Wilson for)...then Wilson starts at SS and Culver stays the backup.

I think Safety spot can eventually look something like this in 2010:

FS: Jason Allen/Chris Clemons or Chris Clemons/Jason Allen
SS: either Yeremiah Bell/Gibril Wilson or Gibril Wilson/Tyrone Culver

And even if they like Jason Allen at backup CB/STs ace (and feel that Clemons is going to be the starter at FS regardless)...they still would really only need to draft a late round FS to be Clemons backup and keep Allen as the dimeback.
Leave the draft picks for the LINEBACKING CORPS!!!!:up:

SR 7
01-09-2010, 06:20 PM
so your telling me Bells 3 yr deal counts as 1 yr? lmao how the hell does that work plz explain

CrazyCarl
01-10-2010, 12:45 AM
really dont think Sparano would be admitting he was wrong for signing Gibril to that rediculous contract,and asking Ross for another $10-12M in guarantees to draft the same position.

Tony Sparano didn't sign Gibril Wilson.. so he wouldnt really need to admit to anything..

Ireland and/or Parcells are the people in charge of that department, you would be looking at them in this case..

FinsFanatic777
01-10-2010, 01:40 AM
Earl Thomas is a future stud. He's a poor man's Eric Berry... He has sky-high potential (still a little raw but that's why there's Training Camp) and will come at a much cheaper price. I would LOVE to get Thomas. Face it, McClain will last to Denver at the WORST. Bryant is the best receiver in the draft; he's not going to make it. Just trade back, get a 2nd, and take Earl Thomas, and trade up to get Jermaine Gresham.

MiamiDolfan85
01-10-2010, 01:44 AM
Tony Sparano didn't sign Gibril Wilson.. so he wouldnt really need to admit to anything..

Ireland and/or Parcells are the people in charge of that department, you would be looking at them in this case..
it could be god himself in Ireland and/or Parcells shoes,but as far as the media,the fans,and the entire pubblic outlooks,Sparano is the one that will be praised,aswell as taking one for the team,and stepping on the land-mine.

Its just...the way it goes,man....

miami234ever
01-10-2010, 06:00 AM
According to a conversation Gil Brandt (close friend of Parcells) had on the radio, he said that when MIA signed Wilson it was to replace Bell at SS. He said that Bell basically signed a one year deal that included a $14mil roster bonus due in 2010 (which obviously forces the the two sides to renegociate deal after 2009 season) and that Wilson (who was our second leading tackler this year) who is younger than Bell and is better suited for SS than FS, basically signed a long term deal to be Bell's eventual replacement at SS.

I believe that they drafted Clemons to be groomed behind Wilson as the eventual starting FS, so I definitely would NOT draft Thomas, especially not at #12. In fact, with the improvement this year by Jason Allen, and him already having experience at FS both in college and in the pros (where he led the team in INTS a few years ago) they can basically move Jason Allen back to FS (where he seems better suited for) to compete with Clemons and the winner starts/loser is the backup and plays STs (which Jason Allen excels at).

I don't believe MIA has to do anything personel-wise to the Safety spot. If Bell renegociates deal, he battles it out with Wilson for the starting/backup SS spot. If Bell does NOT renegociate deal (which after the impressive season he had and the fact that there will not be much competition in the FA market, I believe Bell will NOT renegociate and can make big bucks elsewhere...while Parcells covered his tracks by signing Wilson for)...then Wilson starts at SS and Culver stays the backup.

I think Safety spot can eventually look something like this in 2010:

FS: Jason Allen/Chris Clemons or Chris Clemons/Jason Allen
SS: either Yeremiah Bell/Gibril Wilson or Gibril Wilson/Tyrone Culver

And even if they like Jason Allen at backup CB/STs ace (and feel that Clemons is going to be the starter at FS regardless)...they still would really only need to draft a late round FS to be Clemons backup and keep Allen as the dimeback.
Leave the draft picks for the LINEBACKING CORPS!!!!:up:

So the FO really has that much confidence in Jason Allen? And what's this about Bell's deal? He signed a 4 year deal but only counts as 1?

Boomer
01-10-2010, 10:39 AM
Earl Thomas, IMO, is worthy of the 12th pick. He's a fabulous player and just a very, very small notch lower than Eric Berry. For me, he's better in coverage than Berry, he can play corner, is terrifically fast, great instincts, can play strong and free safety as well as corner. Played all 27 games at Texas, team captain as a freshman, had more deflected passes this year than any corner or safety in all of college football which speaks volumes for his range and off the field is just a brilliant kid. He's Eric Berry on the field and Myron Rolle off it.

He and Berry, Polamalu and Reed are the best safeties to enter the league in 10/12 years.

hooshoops
01-10-2010, 10:57 AM
i think he's a good enough player but i think that size may have him falling into the 2nd half of round 1...

unless he's bigger than he looks at the combine

Boomer
01-10-2010, 11:02 AM
Yeah size may be an issue, but essentially he's listed as 1 inch and 5lbs less than Eric Berry.

I know listed heights/weights are a joke and he looks pretty slight, but he's not been injured and he hits hard - just ask Trent Richardson!

hooshoops
01-10-2010, 11:13 AM
i personally think he needs to get stronger and gain 5 pounds or so...i don't see an eric berry type hitter

but he's very willing...there's plenty of fight in that dog

from what i've seen i might even lean your way in that he may actually be slightly better than eric berry in coverage...

Boomer
01-10-2010, 11:46 AM
Oh I agree on all that. I think Berry supports the run better, Thomas is better in coverage. Either way you shake it down, they're both good players.

jlfin
01-10-2010, 05:51 PM
Earl Thomas, IMO, is worthy of the 12th pick. He's a fabulous player and just a very, very small notch lower than Eric Berry. For me, he's better in coverage than Berry, he can play corner, is terrifically fast, great instincts, can play strong and free safety as well as corner. Played all 27 games at Texas, team captain as a freshman, had more deflected passes this year than any corner or safety in all of college football which speaks volumes for his range and off the field is just a brilliant kid. He's Eric Berry on the field and Myron Rolle off it.

He and Berry, Polamalu and Reed are the best safeties to enter the league in 10/12 years.

I don't see how you can say that. Michael Huff came out of Texas VERY highly regarded, as did LaRon Landry. Huff has been a surprisingly huge disappointment and Landry is just OK

SR 7
01-10-2010, 06:17 PM
I don't see how you can say that. Michael Huff came out of Texas VERY highly regarded, as did LaRon Landry. Huff has been a surprisingly huge disappointment and Landry is just OK

Landry did come in as an extremely highly rated player as did Huff but huff totally screwed up until this year and Landry is good, not top 5-6 good but good.

Berry however is on another level and he didn't do it once, he did it for a while.

Boomer
01-11-2010, 05:24 PM
I don't see how you can say that. Michael Huff came out of Texas VERY highly regarded, as did LaRon Landry. Huff has been a surprisingly huge disappointment and Landry is just OK

I can say it because Thomas isn't Huff or Landry. Don't portray their failings as any slight against Earl Thomas just because he went to the same school. It's like saying that Aaron Rodgers must be rubbish because Jeff Tedford QB's don't translate.

skipp2myloo13
01-11-2010, 05:54 PM
Thomas is up there with Bryant and McClain at 12. IMO.

COphinphan89
01-11-2010, 06:15 PM
If we traded down and landed this guy, I would be ecstatic. A solid FS (which we DESPERATELY need) and we could pick up some more picks in the process. And he's way better than Taylor Mays.

BobDole
01-11-2010, 06:19 PM
huge thomas fan. i was thinking there was a chance of him lasting until the 2nd - assuming berry and mays go before him and 3 safeties going in the first is just unheard of - but we might see as many as 4 safeties go in the first. that's just nuts. he's in my top 5 favorites in this draft class.

#1dolphinsfan
01-11-2010, 07:08 PM
he seems small IMO to play FS only 5'10 that would be pretty hard to cover a TE who is 6'5. i wouldnt mind seeing Chad Jones here in the second round

Boomer
01-11-2010, 07:14 PM
I really don't like Chad Jones in coverage. The upside is good but after his freshman year can we really say that he's gotten better?

ChambersWI
01-11-2010, 07:27 PM
I really don't like Chad Jones in coverage. The upside is good but after his freshman year can we really say that he's gotten better?

I think he has but he to me is a SS through and through.


I don't see how you can say that. Michael Huff came out of Texas VERY highly regarded, as did LaRon Landry. Huff has been a surprisingly huge disappointment and Landry is just OK

Landry has been horrible, but he IMO is another guy that should be a SS, and the Skins are insistent that he's a FS. Huff... part of me wants to say coaching since he was ok this year, but sometimes can't miss guys miss.

Earl Thomas may be my top guy right now due to our problems with the deep ball, but it would be tough to pass on Dez Bryant. I'd also like to look at some OLB prospects. (I'm taking a wild guess and saying McClain won't get to us.)

BobDole
01-11-2010, 07:33 PM
I really don't like Chad Jones in coverage. The upside is good but after his freshman year can we really say that he's gotten better?

yup. we can't afford to draft a guy with problems in coverage this year. there are plenty of FS's in this class that don't have those question marks. big pass on him.

RockyMtnPhinfan
01-13-2010, 01:07 PM
he seems small IMO to play FS only 5'10 that would be pretty hard to cover a TE who is 6'5. i wouldnt mind seeing Chad Jones here in the second round

They had Eric Berry at 5'11 205 in scouting reports i have seen so that is a wash IMO.
http://www.draftboardinsider.com/cgi-bin/prospect.cgi?id=1068

I would not be unhappy with Earl Thomas at #12. All of the reports i have read gush about his ability to cover AND support the run. At 20 years old he has some physical growth potential (he's only a sophomore).
http://www.draftboardinsider.com/cgi-bin/prospect.cgi?id=1089
check out this report on him.
I would be happy with Thomas at #12 and after reading scouting reports on him it seems like he is a lock to produce at the next level. I don't want a risk/reward player. I would very much like a sure thing and he seems to be one of these kind of players.

RobertHorry
01-13-2010, 01:30 PM
I see.

Boomer what are your thoughts on Clemons then?