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WaxOn WaxOff
01-11-2010, 09:01 AM
I believe we should wait until rd 3 and pick up Jacoby Ford WR Clemson. He is THE fastest player in college football. He will not shy from the middle like Ginn. He is Ginn without the fear factor and the sideline ducks. He is not the best overall WR in this class, but he can stretch the field and make our other WRs better. What's more he can actually catch the ball. That will free up rd 1 & 2 for other needs.

3rdandinches
01-11-2010, 09:31 AM
I believe we should wait until rd 3 and pick up Jacoby Ford WR Clemson. He is THE fastest player in college football. He will not shy from the middle like Ginn. He is Ginn without the fear factor and the sideline ducks. He is not the best overall WR in this class, but he can stretch the field and make our other WRs better. What's more he can actually catch the ball. That will free up rd 1 & 2 for other needs.


He's looked at as a 5-6th rounder right now, the combine will probably help alittle but I think the 3rd is quite high. Personally I like the idea of Taylor Price at 6'1 212 and runs a 4.38 in the late rounds, unless Oakland makes him a first rounder,lol!!!

I highly doubt we go wr early on anyways but a late round flyer might happen.

WaxOn WaxOff
01-11-2010, 09:41 AM
He's looked at as a 5-6th rounder right now, the combine will probably help alittle but I think the 3rd is quite high. Personally I like the idea of Taylor Price at 6'1 212 and runs a 4.38 in the late rounds, unless Oakland makes him a first rounder,lol!!!

I highly doubt we go wr early on anyways but a late round flyer might happen.

I'm OK with that too. I just know based on the history of the draft, speed is highly valued. A WR that can stretch the D is a valuable asset (provided he can CATCH). If we could get a sub 4.4 guy in the 5th or 6th, put me down for that. We need multiple LBs and a Safety most of all.

skipp2myloo13
01-11-2010, 02:35 PM
There is a reason why he is so low on draft boards if he goes to major school, has heart and speed, what is it?

ColonelJ
01-11-2010, 02:38 PM
Jacoby is smallish and that does not please me. (5-10, 185)

skipp2myloo13
01-11-2010, 02:47 PM
Jacoby is smallish and that does not please me. (5-10, 185)

Desean Jackson is also 5-10 175, he sure does please me.

skipp2myloo13
01-11-2010, 02:52 PM
Steve Smith is 5-9, 185
Reggie Wayne 5-10, 198
Santonio Holmes is 5-11, 192
Wes Welker-5-9, 185
Steve Smith (NYG) 5-9, 190
Greg Jennings- 5-9, 197
Derik Mason 5-10, 192
Santana Moss 5-10, 197
These are just some of the receivers who seem to be ok at such a hight, weight. None of these guys run that fast FTR.

finfan54
01-11-2010, 09:22 PM
can u say Mark Duper?

Rather have Brandon Tate if talking size comparison but higher pick so pick your poison.

I think we end up with a WR in FA and then forget about WR until round 6---> Kelton Tindal-----from the powerhouse of Newberry!!!

WaxOn WaxOff
01-11-2010, 10:01 PM
There is a reason why he is so low on draft boards if he goes to major school, has heart and speed, what is it?


Receiving Statistics
NAME REC YDS YPR LONG TD
Jacoby Ford 56 779 13.9 77 (TD) 6

Well, he isn't big. He didn't dominate (hard too with CJ Spiller on the team and an OL that couldn't hold blocks long enough for the deep pass). I'm not saying he's the only option, just a possibility that I would be OK with. The NFL receiver he reminds me most of is Lee Evans. Only Ford is faster.

WaxOn WaxOff
01-11-2010, 10:19 PM
can u say Mark Duper?

Rather have Brandon Tate if talking size comparison but higher pick so pick your poison.

I think we end up with a WR in FA and then forget about WR until round 6---> Kelton Tindal-----from the powerhouse of Newberry!!!

He's interesting, and FAST! But Newberry isn't much more than a glorified High School. I know. I'm from the area, and i'd bet half the posters on here could have played ball at Newberry if they had wanted. That's quite a jump, and probably a large learning curve for that young man.

"WR 85 Kelton Tindal Newberry 4.22 According to multiple sources, Newberry College receiver Kelton Tindal thoroughly impressed NFL scouts by clocking as low as the 4.22-4.24 range in the 40-yard dash in what were cold and less than ideal conditions. Also according to reports, he clocked as low as 4.19 in the 40 in preparation for the junior pro day. If he gets in the combine he is expected to put on a show. The 62 1/8 189 receiver is a near legend.

WR Jacoby Ford Clemson 4.30 Jacoby Ford burned a 6.52-second 60-meter dash at the Virginia Tech Elite Meet on Feb. 6. In the wide world of track, that's just pretty good, although it was just one-hundredth of a second off an NCAA meet record and left more celebrated teammate C.J. Spiller in the dust. More importantly, it was twitch faster than Trindon Holliday's scorching 6.54 in the 60m at last March's NCAA Indoor Championships, and while a prepster Ford had the best 40-yard dash time at the Fork Union College Coaches Combine at 4.126 seconds, this was electronically timed, but on a fast rubberized surface, still many expect Ford to run in the low 4.2 range at the combine."

Source....http://www.faniq.com/article/Let-the-Arguing-Begin--Who-are-the-Fastest-Players-in-NCAA-Football--1940206

al711
01-11-2010, 10:45 PM
that is smokin'...

WaxOn WaxOff
01-27-2010, 11:12 PM
Update from the senior bowl....

"• Clemson WR Jacoby Ford displayed good ball skills and concentration in addition to blazing speed. So far Ford is having an excellent week in Mobile."

Link...http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/SeniorBowl/reports/Practices/North-126.php

j-off-her-doll
01-27-2010, 11:54 PM
Mayock and Chavous both noted that he doesn't play as fast as he times. Chavous used the term that he doesn't carry his pads well. He'd be an absolute waste of a draft pick in the 3rd.

Geforce
01-28-2010, 02:35 AM
From New Era Scouting
http://www.newerascouting.com/01/2010-senior-bowl-day-three-north-report/


–Jacoby Ford put on a show today after a so-so first cou­ple of prac­tices. His speed is as good as adver­tised and he was explod­ing out of breaks bet­ter than any­one I’ve put the eye­ball on so far. He caught every­thing thrown his way and if that remains the case at the Com­bine and his pro day, Ford could slip in to the first round.
Wednesday Winners


Jacoby Ford – WR – Clemson

His speed was on an entirely dif­fer­ent level than any­one on the field today. He got the ball in space a few times and sim­ply made the defen­sive backs appear as if they were wear­ing bricks as shoes. He even beat Boise State cor­ner Kyle Wil­son on a deep route with plenty of sep­a­ra­tion for the QB to work with.

phineffect
01-28-2010, 02:53 AM
i want Dez Briscoe!!

#1dolphinsfan
01-28-2010, 03:05 AM
Steve Smith is 5-9, 185
Reggie Wayne 5-10, 198
Santonio Holmes is 5-11, 192
Wes Welker-5-9, 185
Steve Smith (NYG) 5-9, 190
Greg Jennings- 5-9, 197
Derik Mason 5-10, 192
Santana Moss 5-10, 197
These are just some of the receivers who seem to be ok at such a hight, weight. None of these guys run that fast FTR.
Reggie Wayne is 6'0, 198
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2578

Steve Smith (NYG) is 5'11, 195
http://espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=10495

Greg Jennings is 5'11 198
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9638

WaxOn WaxOff
01-28-2010, 06:36 AM
From New Era Scouting
http://www.newerascouting.com/01/2010-senior-bowl-day-three-north-report/

Wednesday Winners

Thanks for the info. I highly doubt Ford goes in the first round. Al Davis got his WR last year.:chuckle:

dr.jake
01-28-2010, 08:53 AM
and FWIW the colts stable of wideouts were picked up :Wayne (#30) dallas clark(#24) austin collie (4th rnd) and garcon (6th rnd). i believe they got their money's worth.

Pinkboy
01-28-2010, 09:38 AM
I don't remember if it was 2006 or 2007, but in one of those recent years 7 of the top 10 WR's for total yards were 6 feet tall or shorter.

BrowardPhin
01-28-2010, 09:56 AM
The knock on Ford has always been he is a track guy. Questionable hands and route running. Surprising to see he is doing so well in practice. The guy has the one thing you cant coach and thats speed.

Lord Of Miami
01-28-2010, 11:14 AM
If we trade Ginn for a 5th or whatever theirs a good chance we will be picking up a fast WR in the draft.

If any of you have seen Ford play, you'd know he's not "just a track guy" and his route running is fine.Most nfl teams have a 2 or 3rd round grade on him,and have for some time now.

Ford isn't soft ether, like Ginn.

He's a REAL football player that just happens to run track.

Here's a link for the wannabe draftnik's that are to lazy to watch him play http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=2201

WaxOn WaxOff
02-28-2010, 10:47 AM
Jacoby Ford's times in the 40...4.27, 4.28

skipp2myloo13
02-28-2010, 10:52 AM
Price and Ford are 2 WRs that will be great players on their respective teams IMO. And i think Thomas is the 2nd best WR in the draft, followed closely by Benn.

WaxOn WaxOff
02-28-2010, 11:02 AM
The best I can find on official 40 times....This was from 2007.
"The NFL did not begin using partial electronic timing (started by hand, stopped electronically) at the Scouting Combine until 1990. In the electronic timing era, the fastest recorded time at the NFL Combine was 4.25 seconds by cornerback Fabian Washington in 2005. "
I think Chris Johnson was timed at 4.24. Does anybody have other data? (Not the pre-1990 data please)

The Goat
02-28-2010, 11:13 AM
Jacoby is smallish and that does not please me. (5-10, 185)

This. I like the kid, but we don't need more small, fast guys. if we trade Ginn, I could see it.

jim1
02-28-2010, 11:21 AM
Price and Ford are 2 WRs that will be great players on their respective teams IMO. And i think Thomas is the 2nd best WR in the draft, followed closely by Benn.

I'm not sold on Price- from what little that I've seen he doesn't play as fast as his 40 time would indicate. I would draft Briscoe and Ford over Price. And I would draft Briscoe over Gilyard, and with Ford impressing at the Senior Bowl and now the combine, I'd probably take him over Gilyard as well. Ford brings flat out speed and he's shifty. The immediate comparison for a long time Dolphins fan is Mark Duper. If two of the three- Bryant, Benn, and Ford- could be added to the roster with Ginn and one more gone- or maybe carrying five and just Ginn gone- I think that it would be a step in the right direction.

Clipse
02-28-2010, 01:37 PM
I believe we should wait until rd 3 and pick up Jacoby Ford WR Clemson. He is THE fastest player in college football. He will not shy from the middle like Ginn. He is Ginn without the fear factor and the sideline ducks. He is not the best overall WR in this class, but he can stretch the field and make our other WRs better. What's more he can actually catch the ball. That will free up rd 1 & 2 for other needs.
A 3rd is a reach. We don't need burners, we need physical WR's who get YAC.

rushfinfan85
02-28-2010, 01:48 PM
My problem with Ford is that his track speed which everyone knows he has doesn't translate well to his field play. Has problems getting open becasue of below average routes and doesn't jump to the ball all that well. What I mean by jump to the ball is coming back to the ball on hitch, in and out routes. Everyone knows that he has great stright line speed but that doesn't work well as a receiver in the NFL. He is great with the ball in his hands but yhe has to be able to get open to get the ball in his hands which he has not shown to really be able to do.