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phineffect
01-13-2010, 01:13 AM
If anyone was listening, im buddy from mo. I asked what the phins would do and Gil said he def thought it would be Defence. He is a good freind of Parcells also. He said Mcclain would be long gone also. I then asked if there is a way it would be dez.. lol he said he was 99.9% sure Bill would NOT select him. So im thinking it will be a rushing LB or Dline somehow?

ckparrothead
01-13-2010, 01:20 AM
Gil Brandt may be friends with Bill Parcells but unfortunately Bill Parcells doesn't run Miami's drafts.

mia4ever
01-13-2010, 01:39 AM
that what Y O U think....lol

I agree we drafting Defense in the 1st Round

mmikel30
01-13-2010, 01:51 AM
Gil Brandt may be friends with Bill Parcells but unfortunately Bill Parcells doesn't run Miami's drafts.then what does parcells do in Miami ?

houtz
01-13-2010, 01:59 AM
Parcells is an advisor. You better believe Ireland will get the guy he wants. McClain or spiller IMO.

Ricky4Life
01-13-2010, 02:01 AM
Spiller will be the pick I think.

LikeUntoGod
01-13-2010, 02:24 AM
I refuse to believe that Bill Parcells have anything with drafting Pat White.

phineffect
01-13-2010, 02:35 AM
Im sure Tuna has a role in the draft... OBV... I think Mcclain will be gone also. Id like spiller, but i want him and brown togeather, no ricky.Id like SOME Lb or Saftey

CrazyCarl
01-13-2010, 05:45 AM
then what does parcells do in Miami ?

He put all the pieces in place..

I don't know why everyone seems to think Parcells is running the show and Sparano and Ireland don't really do anything..

hooshoops
01-13-2010, 08:20 AM
gil brandt also said last year that the pick was gonna be clay matthews...

and he was wrong...just sayin

3rdandinches
01-13-2010, 09:18 AM
gil brandt also said last year that the pick was gonna be clay matthews...

and he was wrong...just sayin

and I bet it was because they never thought V.Davis would be around when they picked!

RockyMtnPhinfan
01-13-2010, 10:27 AM
then what does parcells do in Miami ?

Bets on horses, golfs and smokes cigars while taking other big name coahces for tours of the Dolphins facility on his golf cart. Man what a life. I am so envious.

RockyMtnPhinfan
01-13-2010, 10:29 AM
So IMO, which don't mean squat, if Spiller is there we will take him because i think Ireland wants a big playmaker in the mold of Percy Harvin. If Spiller and McClain is gone i would have to guess we take a stab at Earl Thomas. Now if Suh somehow drops to us then........ ;)

ckparrothead
01-13-2010, 11:09 AM
If Bill Parcells were running Miami's drafts then Chris Long, not Jake Long, would have been our #1 pick in 2008. Jake Long was the guy that Jeff Ireland wanted from the start, but the most Parcells did was demand that the contract with big Jake be done by a certain time period and if not then negotiations with Chris Long would have begun.

Parcells' history had suggested his preference. He twice traded out of picking an offensive tackle at the top of a draft in order to move down and take James Farrior who he thought would play OLB.

Parcells' history had ALSO suggested that he wouldn't be cool with a CB in the first round. He generally drafted CBs in rounds 3 and below. The only exception was when the Cowboys drafted Terrence Newman, and in order to do that Jerry Jones and Larry Lacewell had to invite Parcells out to dinner and let him know in as politic a way as they could that Parcells was not getting his guy Kevin Williams, rather they were going to take Terrence Newman because that was the choice of the entire personnel staff (Jeff Ireland included).

And, as hooshoops pointed out, a year ago Gil Brandt was hinting that he knew based on his relationship with Parcells exactly which linebacker Bill would take in the 2009 draft, and later we found out he was talking about Clay Matthews. Well, they passed on Matthews, and despite Parcells' history of not taking CBs high, they took Vontae Davis...and contrary to some opinions I do not believe Vontae fell way further down the board than they thought he would.

At some point people have to wake up and realize that predicting what Miami will do based on "the Parcells handbook" has not been a very good predictor of what actually happens, at least where it concerns the highest rounds in the draft.

rev kev
01-13-2010, 11:41 AM
If Bill Parcells were running Miami's drafts then Chris Long, not Jake Long, would have been our #1 pick in 2008. Jake Long was the guy that Jeff Ireland wanted from the start, but the most Parcells did was demand that the contract with big Jake be done by a certain time period and if not then negotiations with Chris Long would have begun.

Parcells' history had suggested his preference. He twice traded out of picking an offensive tackle at the top of a draft in order to move down and take James Farrior who he thought would play OLB.

Parcells' history had ALSO suggested that he wouldn't be cool with a CB in the first round. He generally drafted CBs in rounds 3 and below. The only exception was when the Cowboys drafted Terrence Newman, and in order to do that Jerry Jones and Larry Lacewell had to invite Parcells out to dinner and let him know in as politic a way as they could that Parcells was not getting his guy Kevin Williams, rather they were going to take Terrence Newman because that was the choice of the entire personnel staff (Jeff Ireland included).

And, as hooshoops pointed out, a year ago Gil Brandt was hinting that he knew based on his relationship with Parcells exactly which linebacker Bill would take in the 2009 draft, and later we found out he was talking about Clay Matthews. Well, they passed on Matthews, and despite Parcells' history of not taking CBs high, they took Vontae Davis...and contrary to some opinions I do not believe Vontae fell way further down the board than they thought he would.

At some point people have to wake up and realize that predicting what Miami will do based on "the Parcells handbook" has not been a very good predictor of what actually happens, at least where it concerns the highest rounds in the draft.

Agreed that Gil is spinning stories because that is what he is paid to do... And i remember the way Gil dropped "Mathhews" and some thought it was like "Gospel"..., but this is Brandt's role and the FO is gonna smokescreen anyways...

Lord Of Miami
01-13-2010, 01:31 PM
As a friend of Bill's the last thing Gil would do is go on radio and say what Bill or the Dolphins plan to do.

It's also safe to say Bill's not telling anyone.

MP-Omnis
01-13-2010, 01:38 PM
Do you really lose either way? I'd be just as happy with Matthews as with Vontae.

ticophin
01-13-2010, 03:21 PM
Best WR, RB, CB, and LB prospects might be there @ 12....This has to be our year to move back a few spots and make up for the multiple mistakes weve made in the 2nd round....

DaytonaDolFan13
01-13-2010, 03:30 PM
We must acquire MCCLAIN, if that means TRADE UP (ohhh that ugly word 'up') then its gotta be done. Pay it forward and get the ILB we need. And trade up again using (a high salaried player) to draft his replacement.

ticophin
01-13-2010, 04:35 PM
As much as I hate the thought of trading up....if we had to trade up to get a Patrick Willis kind of player like McClain.....damn, so be it.

bryan
01-13-2010, 04:40 PM
McClain is not Patrick Willis. To take an ILB in a 3-4 he would have to be like a Patrick Willis to have the value at a #12 draft slot. McClain is gonna run what a 4.7. OLB's are where the value is in a 3-4.

Breed
01-13-2010, 04:44 PM
What's with all this talk about McClain being a Patrick Willis kind of talent? McClain has great instincts and size, and he'll probably end up having a pretty good career, but Patrick Willis he is not. McClain has nowhere near the athleticism that Willis has. This team has too many holes for trading up to make any kind of sense, especially for a player like McClain. In any case, if we were to trade up, Berry would make a lot more sense.

Ozfin77
01-13-2010, 05:05 PM
Is Berry going to be another defensive co-ordinator on the field.....Dont think so.

I'd take McClain.

Dwight57
01-14-2010, 08:58 AM
If Bill Parcells were running Miami's drafts then Chris Long, not Jake Long, would have been our #1 pick in 2008. Jake Long was the guy that Jeff Ireland wanted from the start, but the most Parcells did was demand that the contract with big Jake be done by a certain time period and if not then negotiations with Chris Long would have begun.

Parcells' history had suggested his preference. He twice traded out of picking an offensive tackle at the top of a draft in order to move down and take James Farrior who he thought would play OLB.

Parcells' history had ALSO suggested that he wouldn't be cool with a CB in the first round. He generally drafted CBs in rounds 3 and below. The only exception was when the Cowboys drafted Terrence Newman, and in order to do that Jerry Jones and Larry Lacewell had to invite Parcells out to dinner and let him know in as politic a way as they could that Parcells was not getting his guy Kevin Williams, rather they were going to take Terrence Newman because that was the choice of the entire personnel staff (Jeff Ireland included).

And, as hooshoops pointed out, a year ago Gil Brandt was hinting that he knew based on his relationship with Parcells exactly which linebacker Bill would take in the 2009 draft, and later we found out he was talking about Clay Matthews. Well, they passed on Matthews, and despite Parcells' history of not taking CBs high, they took Vontae Davis...and contrary to some opinions I do not believe Vontae fell way further down the board than they thought he would.

At some point people have to wake up and realize that predicting what Miami will do based on "the Parcells handbook" has not been a very good predictor of what actually happens, at least where it concerns the highest rounds in the draft.
CK - Not being critical but Parcells did draft Ty Law in the 1st back in 95 (the year before he stopped picking the groceries), however, I believe you are correct that Parcell's is not the one making the picks himself. I believe that he has put a team in place and he oversees that team, councils the team, offers direction and challenges their decisions. In the end that team lead by Parcells and Ireland make the picks. So basing predictions solely on past Parcells picks may be misleading.
I do think there's a common philosophy that will dictate how they draft and who they draft. That I believe will lead to trying to get difference makers on defense specifically LB's. I would be very surprised if the pick is an offensive player.

Conuficus
01-14-2010, 09:05 AM
CK - Not being critical but Parcells did draft Ty Law in the 1st back in 95 (the year before he stopped picking the groceries), however, I believe you are correct that Parcell's is not the one making the picks himself. I believe that he has put a team in place and he oversees that team, councils the team, offers direction and challenges their decisions. In the end that team lead by Parcells and Ireland make the picks. So basing predictions solely on past Parcells picks may be misleading.
I do think there's a common philosophy that will dictate how they draft and who they draft. That I believe will lead to trying to get difference makers on defense specifically LB's. I would be very surprised if the pick is an offensive player.

I thought the groceries speech was after he left New England for the Jets. Terry Glenn was given to Parcells by Kraft and Co.......I'm not sure of the exact timing, but IIRC the groceries speech came after NE when he went ot the Jets. He retired from coaching but was still the team's president(?) for another year. I don't think he ran the show in NE.

bert
01-14-2010, 01:38 PM
McClain is not Patrick Willis. To take an ILB in a 3-4 he would have to be like a Patrick Willis to have the value at a #12 draft slot. McClain is gonna run what a 4.7. OLB's are where the value is in a 3-4.
you make a great point here about the defense.alot of people are on my spiller band wagon theory.with trading ronnie for a 2 or just keeping them both.--------but if we go defense.if there is a guy who can play de.who can get presure on the qb,and hold the point of attack in the run game.we get him,then the olb in the 2nd.or we go olb 1st then de 2nd.or olb's in the 1st and 2nd round.what i am saying is we will try and create pressure from the edges in this draft.yes we have young guys at the edge.but how many got presure or broke down the tackles on offense?we sign a nt and ilb in fa.giving us 4 possible new starters on defense.

Dwight57
01-14-2010, 08:56 PM
I thought the groceries speech was after he left New England for the Jets. Terry Glenn was given to Parcells by Kraft and Co.......I'm not sure of the exact timing, but IIRC the groceries speech came after NE when he went ot the Jets. He retired from coaching but was still the team's president(?) for another year. I don't think he ran the show in NE.
Yes you are correct. The groceries speech came after he joined the Jets. It all started with Parcells' last draft with NE in 1996. That's when Kraft gave the final ok to Bob Grier who at the time was personel director. Bob Kraft and his son Jonathan were starting to get tired of how Parcells treated them when it came to football decisions. So they asserted themselves in the 96 draft and told Grier to make the call and his pick was Glenn. Later that year Parcells made the famous "she" comment and then after the SB loss to Green Bay, the Big Tuna did not fly back with his team and took the job with the Jets.
Apparently as the year wore on, the relationship between Tuna and the Krafts became very ugly. It's funny thinking about it because he was public enemy #1 up here in NE after that. Much like Satan and our Phins!

Breed
01-14-2010, 09:22 PM
Is Berry going to be another defensive co-ordinator on the field.....Dont think so.

I'd take McClain.

They're both instinctive players, the difference is, McClain has physical limitations, Berry does not. And despite our weak LB core, we're better at stopping the run than we are at stopping the pass. Berry would not only be a tremendous upgrade against the pass, but he'd also be a decent upgrade against the run.