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Conuficus
01-13-2010, 11:23 PM
Sergio Kindle has been a somewhat hotly debated player in terms of his ability to play for the Dolphins. As usual, this contains video of said player.

http://www.universaldraft.com/2010/01/13/2010-spotlight-olb-sergio-kindle-texas/

skipp2myloo13
01-13-2010, 11:33 PM
i have always like him as a player. i dont like him at 12, and dont think he'll last to 44 so im kinda torn. I would love to pick up Spoon or Earl Thomas and than pick him up 44 ish, but dont see him lasting imo.

PALMA
01-13-2010, 11:37 PM
Nice write up and video.

I agree, not at #12. Maybe not even at #44. No thanks, we already have Charlie Anderson.

NIXFINS
01-13-2010, 11:52 PM
I would take Kindle if he is available with #44. I think he's a major upgrade over Charlie Anderson. How can he not be.

TedSlimmJr
01-14-2010, 12:10 AM
Sergio Kindle has been a somewhat hotly debated player in terms of his ability to play for the Dolphins. As usual, this contains video of said player.

http://www.universaldraft.com/2010/01/13/2010-spotlight-olb-sergio-kindle-texas/


Absolutely excellent analysis of Kindle and IMO the best one you guys have done yet....I agree with every single word...

He's not nearly the speed rusher that Orakpo was and doesn't use his inside arm and shoulder and doesn't bend the arc like Orakpo....doesn't use his hands well and relies more on athletic ability and strength than technique....he definitely needs coaching up to be a weakside pass rusher and learn some moves/techniques....all Rak needed was a counter move or two to be a 10+ sack a year player...

Kindle is stiff hipped and has to flail his arms all over the place and gather himself in order to change direction in space....he just doesn't do it natural or smooth...

His instincts and read/react skills are what he relies on...

I dedicated a quick paragraph or two on my observations of Kindle a month or so ago in one of these threads around here and it was very similar to this...

He needs to get stronger in his lower body....upper body strength is above average...he won't play DE in the NFL IMO because I don't think he can hold up against NFL tackles in the run game for 16 games.....he's too light and doesn't have the lower body strength...but gets all he can from it by playing with such a sound base...

Best fit is as a OLB in a 3-4 IMO.....but as for a lot of these guys....they'll either prove they can make the transition and be good at it or they'll be situational players in the NFL....

Guys like Brandon Graham, Derrick Morgan, etc....will at worst be excellent 4-3 DE's if they can't make the transition to OLB.....I don't see that as the case for guys like Kindle, Hughes, etc...

Lord Of Miami
01-14-2010, 09:12 AM
Other then Hughes and Kindle both being fast they really don't have much in common.

Kindle is a Charlie Anderson like PALMA said.Their is much more to Hughes game then just being a speed rusher.

hooshoops
01-14-2010, 10:06 AM
3rd round value imo...whether you view him as a weak or strongside backer...he's got deficiencies for both spots where i wouldn't take him before #74

not strong enough vs the run or in the lower body for the strongside...not enough pass rush moves or hand usage for the weakside...

i see a guy who gets things done primarily at this stage based on athletic ability...but i see upside also

Nappy Roots
01-14-2010, 10:31 AM
3rd round value imo...whether you view him as a weak or strongside backer...he's got deficiencies for both spots where i wouldn't take him before #74

not strong enough vs the run or in the lower body for the strongside...not enough pass rush moves or hand usage for the weakside...

i see a guy who gets things done primarily at this stage based on athletic ability...but i see upside also


i agree, I like Kindles upside, but at this point, i wouldnt take him in the 2nd. hes a 3rd rounder to me, but he has a lot of potential to be good in this league. could be one of those steals in the 3rd round that plays at a high level a couple years after being drafted. hes definitely not a immediate impact player IMO though.

RealDriscoll
01-14-2010, 10:52 AM
Kindle plays very well in space and is a tremendous pass rusher but he is soft against the run. In our system he is a 3-4 Weak Outside Linebacker.

Conuficus
01-14-2010, 11:02 AM
3rd round value imo...whether you view him as a weak or strongside backer...he's got deficiencies for both spots where i wouldn't take him before #74

not strong enough vs the run or in the lower body for the strongside...not enough pass rush moves or hand usage for the weakside...

i see a guy who gets things done primarily at this stage based on athletic ability...but i see upside also

I'm glad you saw took the time to read the post Hoops.:up: as we were having a brief discussion about before. The video illustrates some of the things I mentioned, it is always easier to show people than to describe in black and white.

In the end he'll likely be a second rounder due to the burst and strength at the POA. If Gholston can go Top 10, then I think Kindle certainly goes in the Top 45. If he tests poorly he could drop, but I think he'll test well enough but struggle in the individual drills - like where they backpedal and drive on the ball.

Conuficus
01-14-2010, 11:04 AM
Kindle plays very well in space and is a tremendous pass rusher but he is soft against the run. In our system he is a 3-4 Weak Outside Linebacker.

You think he does? I'm not saying you're wrong, but he wasn't asked to drop much at all at Texas IIRC. You think he looks fluid in that video.

Now, obviously that is not every play he's ever made, and he'll look better at some points than others, but honestly he looks very mechanical to me when he is asked to change directions.

hooshoops
01-14-2010, 11:09 AM
I'm glad you saw took the time to read the post Hoops.:up: as we were having a brief discussion about before. The video illustrates some of the things I mentioned, it is always easier to show people than to describe in black and white.

In the end he'll likely be a second rounder due to the burst and strength at the POA. If Gholston can go Top 10, then I think Kindle certainly goes in the Top 45. If he tests poorly he could drop, but I think he'll test well enough but struggle in the individual drills - like where they backpedal and drive on the ball.

he probably would go top 45 or so but i personally wouldn't take him at #43 for us...i'd go elsewhere...i want our top 2 picks at least to be immediate major contributors and i see kindle now as a developmental project...

nice work again...keep 'em coming

Conuficus
01-14-2010, 11:14 AM
he probably would go top 45 or so but i personally wouldn't take him at #43 for us...i'd go elsewhere...i want our top 2 picks at least to be immediate major contributors and i see kindle now as a developmental project...

nice work again...keep 'em coming

Jerry Hughes is next.

hooshoops
01-14-2010, 11:16 AM
Jerry Hughes is next.

awesome!!!

TedSlimmJr
01-14-2010, 11:24 AM
Other then Hughes and Kindle both being fast they really don't have much in common.

Kindle is a Charlie Anderson like PALMA said.Their is much more to Hughes game then just being a speed rusher.


The only thing they have in common is that if they can't make the transition to full time stand-up linebacker and be good at it....neither of them will have a true position in the NFL IMO....because neither of them can hold up in the run game at DE for 16 games....

Especially Hughes...he's a liability versus the run...Patterson has him play in a 4-point stance when he's not pass rushing just to keep from being driven off the ball in the run game...

Hughes is strictly a weakside guy IMO....but I think he'll make a stud standup weakside pass rusher if he learns to hand fight a little better....changes directions MUCH better than Kindle...a lot less rigid in the lower body...

Conuficus
01-14-2010, 11:31 AM
The only thing they have in common is that if they can't make the transition to full time stand-up linebacker and be good at it....neither of them will have a true position in the NFL IMO....because neither of them can hold up in the run game at DE for 16 games....

Especially Hughes...he's a liability versus the run...Patterson has him play in a 4-point stance when he's not pass rushing just to keep from being driven off the ball in the run game...

Hughes is strictly a weakside guy IMO....but I think he'll make a stud standup weakside pass rusher if he learns to hand fight a little better....changes directions MUCH better than Kindle...a lot less rigid in the lower body...

Hughes is in an awkward 3 pt stance, with his legs bundled underneath him, but I haven't seen him in many 4 pt stances to be honest. He does read the formation pre snap and has a good idea if it will be a run or pass, and does adjust his stance. I've got 3 games cut up and haven't seen it in any of those.

TedSlimmJr
01-14-2010, 11:41 AM
Hughes is in an awkward 3 pt stance, with his legs bundled underneath him, but I haven't seen him in many 4 pt stances to be honest. He does read the formation pre snap and has a good idea if it will be a run or pass, and does adjust his stance. I've got 3 games cut up and haven't seen it in any of those.


I've seen it....do you have the Boise game cut ups? It should be there...

I think it's all about leverage in order to help him hold his ground better against his counterpart....it's a technique that I see alot of undersized DL's in highschool use against bigger offensive lines...

Typically if you're going to tee off on a pass rush and try to beat the tackle with speed...you're going to be in a 3 point stance and have your butt higher than the plane of your body.....it's a tell tale sign that a speed rush is most likely coming...

hooshoops
01-14-2010, 11:44 AM
i've seen it also...a 4 point stance almost a crouch where his butt is barely off the ground...weird

i hope you guys cut up some of that utah vs tcu game tape...hughes was wrecking shop

Conuficus
01-14-2010, 12:03 PM
i've seen it also...a 4 point stance almost a crouch where his butt is barely off the ground...weird

i hope you guys cut up some of that utah vs tcu game tape...hughes was wrecking shop

We've got Colorado State, Boise State and BYU.

Turth be told, I don't always look at stance, once you see a few and you get the idea you have to focus on something else or you'll never finish the damn film. I'll look for it. I've seen the weird 3 pt, and a regular 3 pt stance, 2 pt etc.

I don't want to say too much, but when he gets in that weird stance, he doesn't fire out like a normal player would. We have a shot where we show a standard approach, shoulders over the toes, firing out straight ahead and how Hughes typically does it. He almost squats into those blocks.....I smell a video. :lol:

ckparrothead
01-14-2010, 12:04 PM
So far just BYU vs TCU. And he was wrecking shop in that game certainly.

hooshoops
01-14-2010, 12:06 PM
We've got Colorado State, Boise State and BYU.

Turth be told, I don't always look at stance, once you see a few and you get the idea you have to focus on something else or you'll never finish the damn film. I'll look for it. I've seen the weird 3 pt, and a regular 3 pt stance, 2 pt etc.

I don't want to say too much, but when he gets in that weird stance, he doesn't fire out like a normal player would. We have a shot where we show a standard approach, shoulders over the toes, firing out straight ahead and how Hughes typically does it. He almost squats into those blocks.....I smell a video. :lol:

yep...that's my observation as well...

hooshoops
01-14-2010, 12:13 PM
that not firing out being referenced is part of the reason i think he's such a more effective stand up player...

i like what i see on his feet a lot

Conuficus
01-14-2010, 12:27 PM
So far just BYU vs TCU. And he was wrecking shop in that game certainly.

I made the file too big to upload onto the site. I wanted to raise the image quality so i changed my settings. Of course I, it ended up being too big. So, now I've had to go and repeat the process again only in halves.

The first half will be up in a little bit.

ckparrothead
01-14-2010, 12:34 PM
I'll have to download it when I get home.

j-off-her-doll
01-14-2010, 07:49 PM
Not a fan of Kindle's. I like Hughes, and I'm anxious to see what you do with him, but I'm hoping Wake works out for us at WSOLB, so I don't know that we'd draft him.

Brandon Graham is my favorite OLB prospect in this draft. Would love to see one of these on him.

Conuficus
01-14-2010, 08:21 PM
Not a fan of Kindle's. I like Hughes, and I'm anxious to see what you do with him, but I'm hoping Wake works out for us at WSOLB, so I don't know that we'd draft him.

Brandon Graham is my favorite OLB prospect in this draft. Would love to see one of these on him.

We'll get there. We want to involve the video for as many players as we can. We still have time to do so.

j-off-her-doll
01-14-2010, 10:50 PM
We'll get there. We want to involve the video for as many players as we can. We still have time to do so.

Cool stuff, man. You and CK put in good work.