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TedSlimmJr
01-14-2010, 11:03 AM
This is a guy that seems to fit the profile of a defensive player the Miami brass would like...

I watched his game against Michigan and a few others and he can flat out make plays...

Extremely productive, experienced, intelligent, top notch work ethic kind of player....but he looks he may be more of a 4-3 DE at 6-3, 262....excellent run defender and thumping tackler....motor is always running...

I'd really be interested in seeing this guy perform in linebacker drills and see if he could project as a potential mid-late round steal as a strongside OLB in a 3-4...

Academic All-Big Ten every year....his 19.5 TFL's last year were the most for Indiana since Adewale Ogunleye tallied 21 in 1997....also recorded 6.5 sacks and 5 forced fumbles...

Followed that up this year with 15.5 TFL's....10.5 sacks...and 2 forced fumbles...

Benefits a little bit from playing opposite Greg Middleton but Kirlew looks like the better player to me....might be a guy worth paying attention to in post season workouts...

WelcomeBack
01-14-2010, 11:42 AM
I remember Boomer mentioning him last year along with Corey Wootton.

Definitely will be keeping a watch on him during all the workouts coming up this off-season.

ckparrothead
01-14-2010, 12:05 PM
Boomer's a fan of his. Has talked about him a few times this year.

TedSlimmJr
01-14-2010, 12:30 PM
Boomer's a fan of his. Has talked about him a few times this year.


How do you guys feel about him? Do you view him as more of strictly 4-3 DE prospect...limited upside type of player?

His production and experience certainly can't be ignored IMO....but I've also never really seen him tested against an elite tackle very much...

ckparrothead
01-14-2010, 01:08 PM
I can't speak much to him because I haven't watched him much yet. He's high up on the list of guys to get to for me because of Simon's opinion of him, and now even more because you've watched him a lot and like him (yes I respect your opinions on players). But Simon believes he could be what we're looking for at the strong side spot. I'll see if I can dig up what he said.

ckparrothead
01-14-2010, 01:13 PM
One player that I've been banging on about for 2 years who I think will make a very good SOLB for Miami because he's excellent against the run and can get after the QB, is a three year starter and comes in about 6'2, 260 is Jammie Kirlew of Indiana. He gets no love nationally but is a really solid football player, fundamentally sound and is bright, a team leader and a team captain since he was a sophomore.

All I could really find. He's been talking about him since 2008 though.

TedSlimmJr
01-14-2010, 02:00 PM
Interesting....me and this Boomer guy seem to see eye to eye on a lot of these guys for some reason.....he obviously knows what he's talking about....:lol:

Seriously though...I'd advise you to check this guy out....I think you'll like him..

He reminds me a lot of one of my favorite prospects in this draft...Brandon Graham.....except Kirlew is just a little taller...

In fact...I was re-watching the game to see Graham again and I finally had to start paying attention to this guy that was wreaking havoc and forcing fumbles all over the place for Indiana...

So I got a hold of some footage against Virginia....Indiana got blown out of the stadium but it was the same thing from Kirlew....I counted 6 tackles...2 TFL's and a sack...

I'm going to watch his game against Iowa soon to see how he did against two pretty good tackles in Bulaga and Kyle Callaway....

I would recommend checking him out and maybe even try to get some cut ups of him up if you want.....this kid looks damn good to me....just not sure if he's a conversion guy or not...

ckparrothead
01-14-2010, 02:46 PM
Don't mistake Reiff for Callaway. Already made that mistake once, wouldn't like to see others repeat it.

ckparrothead
01-14-2010, 02:47 PM
And yeah I'll be doing cutups of Kirlew and Worilds, both guys that Simon likes. I've seen a lot of Worilds myself and I really like him too, though I wonder if he's really strong side or if all of the guys we keep conveniently chalking to the weak side just aren't strong enough to play in the NFL period.

hooshoops
01-14-2010, 03:11 PM
what's the prognosis on worilds shoulder long term??? i know he had major surgery a year or so ago

RealDriscoll
01-14-2010, 03:23 PM
What's not to like about Worlids? He is a top notch producer for one the best defenses in the country

hooshoops
01-14-2010, 03:30 PM
i'm not saying that it's the case about worlids but va tech puts out an awful lot of guys who are what i call "system players"

guys who fit the system but who's game doesn't translate all that well to the pros...

beamer gets everything out of his talent...imo

TedSlimmJr
01-15-2010, 01:23 AM
I like Worilds too...but hoops has a point...Bud Foster is one of the top 2 or 3 DC's in the country IMO and deserves a head coaching job....he's always been able to get the most out of his defensive talent at VT and make them look like total studs....only to fizzle out in the pros (Moore, Adibi, Tapp, Vince Hall, etc...the list is long actually)...

Worilds plays a lot like Kindle IMO...uses athletic ability and upper body strength more than technique at times....I actually think they're very similar players in a lot of ways....Worilds sees his share of double teams and still is around the team lead in sacks....

You have to show the cut up of Worilds destroying Matt Pipho...:lol:

ckparrothead
01-15-2010, 01:34 AM
Forget Matt Pipho. You should see what he did to Drew Davis. You know that clip on our Sergio Kindle video of Sergio tossing Texas Tech's right tackle to the ground? Worilds did that twice to Bama's RT Drew Davis. Davis isn't the best pass protector, but damn.

Austin Tatious
01-15-2010, 01:46 AM
I am an Indiana fan and saw quite a bit of Kirlew, of course. I believe he grew up in central Florida and Indiana was able to get him since he was more of a second tier high school recruit.

As noted, he is well-rounded and academically inclined. He is a dynamic and articulate kid. He is interested in acting and he even made a film I believe.

On the field, he was initially overshadowed by his classmate and bookend DE, Greg Middleton, #92 on film, more of a classic 4-3 end out of Indianapolis. Middleton generated a shocking number of sacks while they were sophs.

But whereas Middleton hit a plateau, Kirlew steadily improved. Middleton is not nearly as bright as Kirlew. Middleton, while making excuses about double teams, apparently was enjoying his press clippings so much that his production tailed off.

Kirlew is smart and has a good motor. He can rush the passer but also play the run. The concern I have is that I would like to see his Combine performance. Watching him play a great deal, I just don't sense tremendous explosion. I am just not sure how he will be in space as a strong side OLB. If he tests well, I am thinking of him as a 4th round type of pick. Admittedly, I am not sure where scouts are projecting him. That just a projection I throw out there having seen him play but not knowing how he will test out. He seems like an impressive kid, though.

TedSlimmJr
01-15-2010, 01:50 AM
Forget Matt Pipho. You should see what he did to Drew Davis. You know that clip on our Sergio Kindle video of Sergio tossing Texas Tech's right tackle to the ground? Worilds did that twice to Bama's RT Drew Davis. Davis isn't the best pass protector, but damn.


:lol: :facepalm:



Yeah....Drew Davis has been rag dolled in a lot of instances actually...even in practice....he's just too damn tall and doesn't play with a good base at all....Hello D.J. Fluker....thank goodness...

Austin Tatious
01-15-2010, 02:03 AM
Here is a link with some information on Kirlew. Career: 23 sacks and over 50 TFL. Outstanding production and consistency.


http://iuhoosiers.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/123109aaa.html

TedSlimmJr
01-15-2010, 02:09 AM
That's good stuff....very comparable player to Brandon Graham IMO...and I don't just throw a statement like that around...

Too bad Bill Lynch is probably on the hot seat though...

Austin Tatious
01-15-2010, 02:14 AM
Thanks...Don't get me started on Lynch. I think IU can do better. They had a great coach in Hoeppner who sadly passed away because of brain cancer. Lynch just happened to be there and got the job after inheriting a solid team. IMO that's no way to hire a coach.

On Kirlew, I am surprised he is 6'3. He seemed shorter to me, more compact and thick. But if he is a legit 6'3 that helps his case.

ckparrothead
01-15-2010, 02:45 AM
Believe it or not I actually like Ben Chappell.

TedSlimmJr
01-15-2010, 08:56 AM
Kirlew is scheduled to play in the Texas vs. The Nation Game on Feb. 6th....


CK if you guys are going to the East/West Shrine Game....keep an eye on this MONSTER nose tackle prospect from UNLV....Martin Tevaseu....6'2", 340...

He originally had a scholarship offer from Arizona St. and signed on with them until he suffered an injury....went the JUCO route before tranferring to UNLV.....He's an Academic All-MWC and looks like a decent prospect...

hooshoops
01-15-2010, 09:55 AM
Forget Matt Pipho. You should see what he did to Drew Davis. You know that clip on our Sergio Kindle video of Sergio tossing Texas Tech's right tackle to the ground? Worilds did that twice to Bama's RT Drew Davis. Davis isn't the best pass protector, but damn.

in all fairness that clip on sergio wasn't what i thought it was...i originally thought sergio put on a monster bull rush and tossed that tackle to the ground with leverage but after seeing the break down you guys put together that tackles footwork was flat out horrendous...i mean his feet were almost crossed over eachother prior to contact cause he was in such a rush to get back in his drop...

can you imagine if sergio had given him an inside redirect rush after initial contact instead of trying to just run thru the guy...he would have destroyed the qb...but like you guys pointed out sergio displays no redirect inside rush moves whatsoever...

hooshoops
01-15-2010, 09:56 AM
i haven't gotten to see any kirlew stuff yet but if he's as explosive and powerful a player as brandon graham looks to me i'll be shocked...

ckparrothead
01-15-2010, 10:22 AM
Kirlew is scheduled to play in the Texas vs. The Nation Game on Feb. 6th....


CK if you guys are going to the East/West Shrine Game....keep an eye on this MONSTER nose tackle prospect from UNLV....Martin Tevaseu....6'2", 340...

He originally had a scholarship offer from Arizona St. and signed on with them until he suffered an injury....went the JUCO route before tranferring to UNLV.....He's an Academic All-MWC and looks like a decent prospect...

Absolutely will do. I'll be watching him during practices too if possible.

ckparrothead
01-15-2010, 10:24 AM
in all fairness that clip on sergio wasn't what i thought it was...i originally thought sergio put on a monster bull rush and tossed that tackle to the ground with leverage but after seeing the break down you guys put together that tackles footwork was flat out horrendous...i mean his feet were almost crossed over eachother prior to contact cause he was in such a rush to get back in his drop...

can you imagine if sergio had given him an inside redirect rush after initial contact instead of trying to just run thru the guy...he would have destroyed the qb...but like you guys pointed out sergio displays no redirect inside rush moves whatsoever...

I think it sort of goes without saying that any time you see a 250 pound type guy toss a 300+ pound guy to the ground in pass rush, the offensive lineman's technique was very, very off on the play. That doesn't just happen.

Austin Tatious
01-15-2010, 12:52 PM
Believe it or not I actually like Ben Chappell.

Interesting perspective to hear from someone who is not an IU fan, so thanks for offering that.

My sense is that Chappell has good size and ok arm. Pretty much a pocket passer. I'm not convinced on a couple of things: his accuracy and his overall moxie and smarts/mental toughness (as opposed to physical toughness which I would not question). It felt like there were times that IU needed to get something done and he didn't rise to the challenge. IU lost some close games to some heavy hitters. They were up big at Iowa. They went down to the wire with Michigan. They blew a big lead against Northwestern, etc. I think there were plays in those games that with more stable QB play (not to mention coaching), that IU could have won those games. Chappell is also pretty much a statue back there and I wonder if he could stand to drop 10-15 pounds, but I could be wrong on that one.

I kind of have been thinking that Chappell could be a backup QB in the league someday, but I always wonder if I have blinders on for my own guys. Let's say this, Chappell seems better than Gibran Hamdan who has managed to stay in the league for a half a dozen years now (albeit barely).

The guy to absolutely watch at IU is Tandon Doss, who is a sophomore wideout. The kid is 6'2 but very shifty and has great hands. He had an unbelievable one-handed catch against OSU that was a jaw dropper. But that is just an example. He has rare quickness for his size. Doss has generated some prolific numbers already. He is also great running after the catch.

I think he will project much better to the next level than James Hardy did, even though he may not be drafted higher. Hardy has phenomenal size and good hands, but he seems stiff to me. Doss is much more fluid in my view.

Keep an eye out for Doss in 2011.