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aqua4life
01-21-2010, 12:04 AM
I know everyone is high on mcclain but he just seems slow to me watching him on film, not saying he would be a bad pick and i know we need defense
but watching c.j spiller this kid is explosive and electric, if mcclain isnt there at #12 picking up spiller that would be awesome, no complaints from me watching this kid reminds me alot of chris johnson, i know alot are looking at mcclain but there a good chance broncos will pick him up. and with spiller on the board it will be hard for the trifecta to pass on him IMO

ColonelJ
01-21-2010, 12:09 AM
The best thing is for all teams to think that we are taking Spiller, Bryant, or McClain.

And then, we can trade or surprise them:

aqua4life
01-21-2010, 12:13 AM
The best thing is for all teams to think that we are taking Spiller, Bryant, or McClain.

And then, we can trade or surprise them:
I would be ok with that more picks the better, lets just hope that they want spiller so bad that there willing to jump in our spot, i think we are in a good spot for some trading, but if not i think we pick a a great player with our postion.

hooshoops
01-21-2010, 12:16 AM
why the hell should we pass on premier players like mcclain and dez bryant to acquire lower rated players later in the draft???

we need top level talent...we've got enough pretty good to average players on this roster...

if dez bryant or mcclain are there at pick #12 i run the card up with their names on it...

they are top 10 talents imo off tape...

ColonelJ
01-21-2010, 12:35 AM
we need top level talent...we've got enough pretty good to average players on this roster...



I would not call Brandon Graham and Micah Johnson average.
Moreover, if we trade down, we can pick up additional picks which we need badly to fill other needs.
But honestly, I would not even trade down, because I want to get Graham at 12. I don't want to risk that someone else takes him.

aqua4life
01-21-2010, 02:35 AM
why the hell should we pass on premier players like mcclain and dez bryant to acquire lower rated players later in the draft???

we need top level talent...we've got enough pretty good to average players on this roster...

if dez bryant or mcclain are there at pick #12 i run the card up with their names on it...

they are top 10 talents imo off tape...
first im not 100% sold on mcclain is he a good player sure he is, is a a game changer we shall see, and dez bryant we know wont get drafted by this regime because we know parcells doenst like spending high draft picks on recivers, the reason i mention spiller is because he is a game changer, he is explosive and hits the holes for massive yardage, and spiller isnt that down on the charts. but i do know we need defensive players. so the questions is NEED or BPA.

LikeUntoGod
01-21-2010, 02:50 AM
Most teams draft most of the time for needs. Which is only logical.

If you need a cornerback and you have 3 good QBs but some chart says that this QB is the best rated player it makes little sense to take him.

That is the situation with Spiller. I saw him play in HS and hoped he would be a Gator and he could be a game changer in the NFL but we are semi loaded at running backs and we have a huge need at linebacker.

IMO, we need two starting linebackers out of this draft. Much like the Bengals got K.Rivers and R.Maualuga last year.

We could of had R. Maualuga at ILB and Conner Barwin at OLB instead of V. Davis and Pat White (although I like the Davis pick).

I would also want a good TE over another rookie WR. We have more of a two TE offense then a 3-4 wide WR offense.

Armglocks33
01-21-2010, 05:52 AM
"He's got gettin away from the cops speed."
seriously though, his durability and speed would be a great asset to any team, if McClain is on the board though, gotta go with him, dude is around the ball ALL the time

3rdandinches
01-21-2010, 07:16 AM
Most teams draft most of the time for needs. Which is only logical.

If you need a cornerback and you have 3 good QBs but some chart says that this QB is the best rated player it makes little sense to take him.

That is the situation with Spiller. I saw him play in HS and hoped he would be a Gator and he could be a game changer in the NFL but we are semi loaded at running backs and we have a huge need at linebacker.

IMO, we need two starting linebackers out of this draft. Much like the Bengals got K.Rivers and R.Maualuga last year.

We could of had R. Maualuga at ILB and Conner Barwin at OLB instead of V. Davis and Pat White (although I like the Davis pick).

I would also want a good TE over another rookie WR. We have more of a two TE offense then a 3-4 wide WR offense.

Rivers was draft the year before REY but was on IR after a hit from Hines Ward on a interception.

hooshoops
01-21-2010, 10:25 AM
I would not call Brandon Graham and Micah Johnson average.
Moreover, if we trade down, we can pick up additional picks which we need badly to fill other needs.
But honestly, I would not even trade down, because I want to get Graham at 12. I don't want to risk that someone else takes him.

dude...you look at brandon graham as a wolb...that's all i got to say

i don't consider brandon graham average...he's my favorite solb prospect...plays with power and leverage, sets the edge in the run game, bull strong...he's either a solb or a 4-3 end depends on how he fares in lb drills

micah johnson provides a thump and sifts thru trash pretty well...it would have been nice to see him fully healthy so i could grade his lateral quickness and speed to the perimeter and coverage abilities...right now i see a thumper

hooshoops
01-21-2010, 10:30 AM
and passing up premier talent for need when you lack talent is nuts...it just so happens that a good number of the premium talent in this draft plays positions of need for us...

ColonelJ
01-21-2010, 11:10 AM
So you are one of those nitpickers? you are one of those that looks at whether he is 6-3 or 6-2.5, or 245, or 248? Graham is monster. He played both sides, and both 3 and 2 stance, at Michigan. I was thinking: since they are grooming Wake at SOLB, Graham would be a great complement at WOLB, which is what he did at Michigan quite a lot. We need better rush and better OLB play; much better.

For sure, if Spiller is there at 12 take him.

hooshoops
01-21-2010, 11:28 AM
So you are one of those nitpickers? you are one of those that looks at whether he is 6-3 or 6-2.5, or 245, or 248? Graham is monster. He played both sides, and both 3 and 2 stance, at Michigan. I was thinking: since they are grooming Wake at SOLB, Graham would be a great complement at WOLB, which is what he did at Michigan quite a lot. We need better rush and better OLB play; much better.

For sure, if Spiller is there at 12 take him.

is it nitpicking to say that his strengths and skill set better fit a solb??? i don't think so

and i don't see cam wake as a solb either...even though he rushed with his hands in the dirt from the right side...he's if an olb a wolb to me...ie joey porters replacement...

a solb must be murder against the run...a good one at least

Drubatuba
01-21-2010, 11:34 AM
I still dont understand why we are so concerned on our offense. Yeah its a problem but its not #1 priority. To be perfectly honest I think we have great depth at running back. atleast until the season after next. Im just saying we are gona have seriouse problems if we dont start building this defense.

RealDriscoll
01-21-2010, 11:38 AM
One thing for sure is that Brandon Graham is not "Average". That is just lazy and unqualified. You tell me how someone who led the nation in TFL is average?

Spiller is indeed a superstar forthcoming. Losing to the Texans, Titans, and Steelers turned to be a blessing in terms of the draft as I am certain either Earl Thomas, CJ Spiller, Dez Bryant, or Rolando McClain will fall into our laps. All will be Elite Players

RealDriscoll
01-21-2010, 11:38 AM
Graham would be better suited at SOLB with Wake being better suited at WOLB

RealDriscoll
01-21-2010, 11:40 AM
I was reading some draft analysis (CK?) that compared Brandon Graham to Lamarr Woodley. Should that be the case than all aboard!

hooshoops
01-21-2010, 11:46 AM
One thing for sure is that Brandon Graham is not "Average". That is just lazy and unqualified. You tell me how someone who led the nation in TFL is average?

Spiller is indeed a superstar forthcoming. Losing to the Texans, Titans, and Steelers turned to be a blessing in terms of the draft as I am certain either Earl Thomas, CJ Spiller, Dez Bryant, or Rolando McClain will fall into our laps. All will be Elite Players

reading comprehension is key...i never said that graham was average...i like graham A LOT...

but you tell me...is he top 10 bpa in this draft like mcclain and dez bryant...and if not why would you pass on them and trade down to get a guy with not quite the same grade???

better yet you and dolginn tell me who you guys have that are fits for us more highly rated than bryant and mcclain???

i'm all ears

ColonelJ
01-21-2010, 12:28 PM
i'm all ears

I love Spiller, and there are two things in particular I like, in addition to speed: (1) vision to follow blockers, and (2) north-south cutback. Spiller, imo, is a replacement for Ricky, Ginn, and Bess. He can provide change of pace, he can catch screens, he can run the sweep, and can return. He is a great potential weapon for us.

I like McClain because he is a complete LB and football player. Nothing else needs to be said.

That said, I don't think either will be there at 12.

Dez Bryant may drop to us, just as Crabtree slipped last year. Should we take a top 10 talent WR at 12? My answer is no. Here we must disagree. I want to get some mean LBs at the top, and Hughes, Graham are best players available in my opinion.

hooshoops
01-21-2010, 12:46 PM
I love Spiller, and there are two things in particular I like, in addition to speed: (1) vision to follow blockers, and (2) north-south cutback. Spiller, imo, is a replacement for Ricky, Ginn, and Bess. He can provide change of pace, he can catch screens, he can run the sweep, and can return. He is a great potential weapon for us.

I like McClain because he is a complete LB and football player. Nothing else needs to be said.

That said, I don't think either will be there at 12.

Dez Bryant may drop to us, just as Crabtree slipped last year. Should we take a top 10 talent WR at 12? My answer is no. Here we must disagree. I want to get some mean LBs at the top, and Hughes, Graham are best players available in my opinion.

so if i'm getting what you are saying you have a top 10 grade on bryant but you'd take guys rated slightly lower to you because you want to get some mean lbs...ie hughes and graham

correct???

greasyObnoxious
01-21-2010, 12:50 PM
Should we take a top 10 talent WR at 12? My
answer is no.

the only reason we should pass up on a top 10 talent at #12 is if a top 5 talent is available IMO.

hooshoops
01-21-2010, 12:52 PM
the only reason we should pass up a top 10 talent at #12 is if a top 5 talent is available IMO.

bingo

ColonelJ
01-21-2010, 12:58 PM
No.

1. Suh
2. McClain
3. Berry
4. Spiller
5. Haden
6. Okung
7. Clausen
8. Trent Williams
9. Jerry Hughes
10. Brandon Graham
12. Gerald McCoy
11. Sam Bradford
12. Carlos Dunlap
13. Dan Williams
14. Dez Bryant
15. Golden Tate

hooshoops
01-21-2010, 01:02 PM
No.

1. Suh
2. McClain
3. Berry
4. Spiller
5. Haden
6. Okung
7. Clausen
8. Trent Williams
9. Jerry Hughes
10. Brandon Graham
12. Gerald McCoy
11. Sam Bradford
12. Carlos Dunlap
13. Dan Williams
14. Dez Bryant
15. Golden Tate

oh...ok...you don't have bryant top 10...

however in this scenario you wouldn't take the mean lbs you covet...you take spiller as he's higher rated on your bpa board...given the top 3 are all gone...

ColonelJ
01-21-2010, 01:10 PM
True. I'd only take Spiller, McClain, Haden, Berry and Suh ahead of Hughes and Graham, based on my value board. (today.)

Harry_Bagpipe
01-21-2010, 01:47 PM
True. I'd only take Spiller, McClain, Haden, Berry and Suh ahead of Hughes and Graham, based on my value board. (today.)


Dude. Werent you a week ago saying you wouldnt touch Spiller no matter how good you thought he was?

Not complaing, just asking why the complete 180

ColonelJ
01-21-2010, 01:58 PM
Dude. Werent you a week ago saying you wouldnt touch Spiller no matter how good you thought he was?

Not complaing, just asking why the complete 180

Here is the deal:

People here want to take the best player available. The best player available is a choice of many players, amongst which are Bradford and Clausen. So if in someone's opinion Clausen is the best player available, should we take Clausen? IMO, no. The reason is obvious: we have a quarterback.

The goal is to win the superbowl, and the best player available does not win you superbowls necessarily: i.e. Jamarcus Russel, Reggie Bush, etc.

It's about filling the team with best talent "where you lack talent; where we have weaknesses." We are not weak at runningback, quarterback, Oline. We are weak in having a top 10 receiver. We are weak on defense. We have a big question mark at corners and safeties, regardless of the popular belief that our corners are young and will be great at some indeterminate point in time. We have aging OLBs, and slow ILBs who can not cover.

While Spiller is a great talent he is not an improvement at the weak spots. So if you want to take him, then take him; but he is not an improvement at the weak spot. Look at it this way, Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams are also top 5 talent.

newlownorder
01-21-2010, 03:04 PM
I was reading some draft analysis (CK?) that compared Brandon Graham to Lamarr Woodley. Should that be the case than all aboard!



Brandom Graham gets a great push, has a low center of gravity, athletic, can play standing up, has great instincts. Yes, he is very comparable to Woodley.

j-off-her-doll
01-21-2010, 04:14 PM
Agree with the posters who have Graham at SOLB (and agree with the Woodley comparison). I'd love to take him in the 2nd, but 12 is probably too high. When I thought we'd be drafting in the mid-to-low 20s, I had him as our first pick.

Lord Of Miami
01-22-2010, 06:48 AM
At the worst CJ will end up being like Bush..............and that's not really so bad.

SF Dolphin Fan
01-22-2010, 06:04 PM
Here is the deal:

People here want to take the best player available. The best player available is a choice of many players, amongst which are Bradford and Clausen. So if in someone's opinion Clausen is the best player available, should we take Clausen? IMO, no. The reason is obvious: we have a quarterback.

The goal is to win the superbowl, and the best player available does not win you superbowls necessarily: i.e. Jamarcus Russel, Reggie Bush, etc.

It's about filling the team with best talent "where you lack talent; where we have weaknesses." We are not weak at runningback, quarterback, Oline. We are weak in having a top 10 receiver. We are weak on defense. We have a big question mark at corners and safeties, regardless of the popular belief that our corners are young and will be great at some indeterminate point in time. We have aging OLBs, and slow ILBs who can not cover.

While Spiller is a great talent he is not an improvement at the weak spots. So if you want to take him, then take him; but he is not an improvement at the weak spot. Look at it this way, Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams are also top 5 talent.

Here's my 2 cents on your argument. The draft is seven rounds and Miami currently has nine picks. Why not take an explosive game changer, an elite talent with the first pick and then concentrate on bigger needs throughout the draft process. Don't forget we also have free agency to improve the talent level. I know some have called it a luxury pick, but last I checked the teams competing for the super bowl, with the exception being the Jets, have very explosive players on offense. With Spiller you get a player that no linebacker currently in the league can cover. He would be an absolute mis-match that teams just wouldn't be able to account for. Imagine Spiller in the wildcat as well and returning kicks. It would be one thing if Ronnie Brown wasn't injury prone and if Ricky Williams wasn't one year closer to retirement. But those are the facts and so running back is more of a need than some might realize.