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Mr_Freezetag
01-23-2010, 10:35 AM
Thinking about McClain getting picked before #12 has me kind of pissed. I personally think that he is the player the Dolphins need to bring in here and there couldn't be a better player for the team needs in round 1.

He has everything you could ask for and would be an impact player and possibly a future leader on this team.

I'm with everyone who really wants a #1 receiver but if we continue with our ILB's, it will be very difficult for our defense to improve.

Now this brings me to this scenario. Do the Dolphins try to make a move up to grab him, or do they just let the cards fall into place?

I think our guys need to do something to get him. He has the potential to be elite in the NFL.

I'm bringing this up because from what I've read on here and other sites is that McClain has a good chance of not being there at #12.

ROADRUNNER
01-23-2010, 10:43 AM
i dont think they move up, if he is gone they will try and trade back............

Mr_Freezetag
01-23-2010, 10:53 AM
i dont think they move up, if he is gone they will try and trade back............

You don't think he is worth it to?

emeraldfin
01-23-2010, 11:15 AM
Thinking about McClain getting picked before #12 has me kind of pissed. I personally think that he is the player the Dolphins need to bring in here and there couldn't be a better player for the team needs in round 1.

He has everything you could ask for and would be an impact player and possibly a future leader on this team.

I'm with everyone who really wants a #1 receiver but if we continue with our ILB's, it will be very difficult for our defense to improve.

Now this brings me to this scenario. Do the Dolphins try to make a move up to grab him, or do they just let the cards fall into place?

I think our guys need to do something to get him. He has the potential to be elite in the NFL.

I'm bringing this up because from what I've read on here and other sites is that McClain has a good chance of not being there at #12.

Who do you think will draft him before 12?

rent this space
01-23-2010, 11:16 AM
I don't like trading up in general. if you miss on the pick, it sets you back even farther. I say wait unless you are absolutely sure about a player.
there is a good chance that McClain falls to 12. imo, the Jaguars and the Broncos are the only teams that might pick him ahead of Miami. even though they both need good LB's, I can see them both going offense in the first.
Marshall will most likely be gone so Bryant makes sense there. the Jags have already mentioned taking Tebow, and if they really want him, this will probably be their only chance.

ROADRUNNER
01-23-2010, 11:16 AM
i do but dont think the fo thinks the same way as we do,

Mr_Freezetag
01-23-2010, 11:22 AM
Who do you think will draft him before 12?

Like rent this space mentions Jags and Broncos. Possibilities. I guess looking at the teams it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to move up but if he slips away we are gonna miss out on an impact player.

rent this space
01-23-2010, 11:25 AM
I would have no problem taking Spiller at 12 and there is a very good chance he will be there

Mr_Freezetag
01-23-2010, 11:29 AM
I don't like trading up in general. if you miss on the pick, it sets you back even farther. I say wait unless you are absolutely sure about a player.
there is a good chance that McClain falls to 12. imo, the Jaguars and the Broncos are the only teams that might pick him ahead of Miami. even though they both need good LB's, I can see them both going offense in the first.
Marshall will most likely be gone so Bryant makes sense there. the Jags have already mentioned taking Tebow, and if they really want him, this will probably be their only chance.

The whole Marshall leaving the Broncos thing worries me a bit. I think it is too easy to say he will leave which will open them up for Bryant. I completely get it though. And like you mention they could very well use McClain so you never know what they do.

The Tebow in Jacksonville has me shaking my head, for their sake. It could very well happen, but I think it would be a huge mistake for them.

Lets hope they make that mistake...

Mr_Freezetag
01-23-2010, 11:31 AM
yea Spiller would be a solid grab. I guess I'm just sold on McClain and how he can impact this defense.

emeraldfin
01-23-2010, 11:32 AM
Like rent this space mentions Jags and Broncos. Possibilities. I guess looking at the teams it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to move up but if he slips away we are gonna miss out on an impact player.

Personally dont see either drafting him, at this moment in time. Jaguars have no pass rush at all and with Derrick Morgan still on the board I would expect them to go for him (or maybe Tebow). Broncos have just re-signed DJ Williams and could potentially go for a nasty ILB pairing of Williams and McClain. But with the Marshall sitution seeming like he will be traded then they will need to go for a WR, which would be Bryant. Also the Broncos had far more pressing needs on defense going into last years draft and they still went for Moreno early, so they are tricky to judge.

Its all difficult to know at this stage however. We will have a better idea when the FA begins.

rent this space
01-23-2010, 11:33 AM
the only problem I see is if Bryant, Spiller and McClain are all gone. I still wouldn't trade up, though

FinaticalOne
01-23-2010, 11:34 AM
Thinking about McClain getting picked before #12 has me kind of pissed. I personally think that he is the player the Dolphins need to bring in here and there couldn't be a better player for the team needs in round 1.

He has everything you could ask for and would be an impact player and possibly a future leader on this team.

I'm with everyone who really wants a #1 receiver but if we continue with our ILB's, it will be very difficult for our defense to improve.

Now this brings me to this scenario. Do the Dolphins try to make a move up to grab him, or do they just let the cards fall into place?

I think our guys need to do something to get him. He has the potential to be elite in the NFL.

I'm bringing this up because from what I've read on here and other sites is that McClain has a good chance of not being there at #12.

You're right, it could very well happen. One scenario I worry about is Cleveland drafting Dez Bryant at #7, if that happens, I think we are screwed because that leaves Denver with very little options but to draft Rolando McClain at #11.

One thing we could hope for is Denver trading Brandon Marshall to a team who picks lower than us. Than that may force their hand in drafting Dez Bryant with thier first draft pick, but once again, it would all be moot if Cleveland drafts Dez Bryant.

The best scenario to ensure we can get McClain is to leapfrog Denver. its just a matter of how bad our FO wants him. I'm not in favor of losing draft picks by trading up, that is for teams that can make luxury picks and we are not there yet. Although McClain is the ideal stud ILB any team would covet, I don't think there should be any need to panic because I think their are some quality LBs in this year's draft that will be available for us.

Mr_Freezetag
01-23-2010, 11:38 AM
You're right, it could very well happen. One scenario I worry about is Cleveland drafting Dez Bryant at #7, if that happens, I think we are screwed because that leaves Denver with very little options but to draft Rolando McClain at #11.

One thing we could hope for is Denver trading Brandon Marshall to a team who picks lower than us. Than that may force their hand in drafting Dez Bryant with thier first draft pick, but once again, it would all be moot if Cleveland drafts Dez Bryant.

Great point. I didn't consider that man.

Yea a lot, if not all of the mock's I've seen have them (Browns)* grabbing Joe Haden. It is a good possibility of any team before us wanting Dez Bryant's skill set added to their teams arsenal.

Now this changes everything!!!

Xeticus
01-23-2010, 12:07 PM
Honestly I can see Denver drafting McClain easily. He's regarded as a superior LB product and they need LB's. Their new DC might want a nice shiny new toy to play with. Honestly if McClain is there at 10 I'd love for us to trade up and get him. Going up 2 spots shouldn't be that expensive right?

Mr_Freezetag
01-23-2010, 12:41 PM
Honestly I can see Denver drafting McClain easily. He's regarded as a superior LB product and they need LB's. Their new DC might want a nice shiny new toy to play with. Honestly if McClain is there at 10 I'd love for us to trade up and get him. Going up 2 spots shouldn't be that expensive right?

That's what I'm thinking...

If they do that at #10 it shouldn't be that much of a hit. I would be willing to surrender a late round pick to guarantee McClain hands down.

dr.jake
01-23-2010, 12:50 PM
i'm opposed to moving up.mcclain is good but not 2 picks good.we have a lot of other needs.

dagger151
01-23-2010, 01:21 PM
McLain would look nice in a Fins uniform, but if he is gone, trade down a bit and get Brandon Spikes later in round one?

If CLE takes Bryant and DEN takes McClain where does that put Joe Hayden? Another sick cover corner that teams will trade up for if hes there. Draft should be interesting this year. Lot of good talent out there.

Buff
01-23-2010, 01:45 PM
When all the pre-draft threads & suggested picks came out, a majority had McClain headed to KC & we ended up with Bryant. Over the past 2 weeks, Berry has been favoured to head to KC, Bryant to the Bills or the Bronco's & McClain falling to the Phins.

Personally, I hope we dont trade up or down. 12 is a pretty good spot to be, and I think, well hope actually, that we get McClain in the 1st. We are in a great spot to get a playmaker, be it on defence or offence.

Spiller, although not my 1st pick, would be a great replacement for RW if both McClain & Bryant are gone, but there are many 1st rounders that would step in & be a massive upgrade over what we already have. Be it DE, WR, LB or safety, we seriously couldn't screw up this draft spot. could we???

dagger151
01-23-2010, 01:46 PM
Didnt Patrick Willis get drafted at #12 a couple years ago under Mike Nolan? Hmmmm.

NRA
01-23-2010, 02:29 PM
i dont think they move up, if he is gone they will try and trade back


I SERIOUSLY DOUBT that rolondo mcclain is the ONLY player the dolphins
have rated for a #12 pic.

in fact, i doubt they are slobering over him the way most of the fanz are.

this draft is LOADED with good ilb talent [see brandon graham] and i can
almost gurantee they will sign a lb in free agency.

trust me, the trifecta does not have there draft hanging on mcclain.

and like it or not, mcclain DOES have a couple holes in his game. he is
FAR, FAR from being a shoe in starter and pro bowler.

and this doesnt mean the finz wont trade. i imagine if there top 3 players
they have penciled at the #12 are gone and a BIG offer comes in and they
wont have to drop to far, they would trade.

but not if its just mcclain being gone.

j-off-her-doll
01-23-2010, 03:49 PM
Witherspoon reminds me of Willis A LOT more than McClain does.

We'll see.

Mr_Freezetag
01-25-2010, 12:53 PM
When all the pre-draft threads & suggested picks came out, a majority had McClain headed to KC & we ended up with Bryant. Over the past 2 weeks, Berry has been favoured to head to KC, Bryant to the Bills or the Bronco's & McClain falling to the Phins.

Personally, I hope we dont trade up or down. 12 is a pretty good spot to be, and I think, well hope actually, that we get McClain in the 1st. We are in a great spot to get a playmaker, be it on defence or offence.

Spiller, although not my 1st pick, would be a great replacement for RW if both McClain & Bryant are gone, but there are many 1st rounders that would step in & be a massive upgrade over what we already have. Be it DE, WR, LB or safety, we seriously couldn't screw up this draft spot. could we???

Dude!!! Don't jinx it!!! haha jk

ckparrothead
01-25-2010, 01:29 PM
I'm not ready to forecast McClain to Miami yet, even if he does make it to #12.

I just don't think he's aggressive or physical enough for this regime. And they do like Channing Crowder, who calls the defense and is a very smart player, so McClain's leadership on the defense isn't going to be a game changer for Miami's defense. It would have to be his ability to make plays.

As for Weatherspoon, they would have to teach him to be physical and take on blocks straight on. Of the three players, Spikes, McClain and Weatherspoon, I view Spoon as the most undisciplined and prone to freelancing.

All I'm saying is don't be surprised if when Miami comes out of this process they conclude that it's better to get an ILB later rather than sooner, and better to get another position sooner rather than later.

BARF
01-25-2010, 03:34 PM
i say if mcclain, bryant, and spiller are gone at 12 we have to trade down, maybe 5 or 6 spots, so we could pick up another pick either in the 2nd or 3rd, u trade down and you pick up dan williams, there will be a lot of lb's in the draft and in free agency, then in the second you draft an lb

j-off-her-doll
01-25-2010, 04:06 PM
I'm not ready to forecast McClain to Miami yet, even if he does make it to #12.

I just don't think he's aggressive or physical enough for this regime. And they do like Channing Crowder, who calls the defense and is a very smart player, so McClain's leadership on the defense isn't going to be a game changer for Miami's defense. It would have to be his ability to make plays.

As for Weatherspoon, they would have to teach him to be physical and take on blocks straight on. Of the three players, Spikes, McClain and Weatherspoon, I view Spoon as the most undisciplined and prone to freelancing.

All I'm saying is don't be surprised if when Miami comes out of this process they conclude that it's better to get an ILB later rather than sooner, and better to get another position sooner rather than later.

I'm thinking the same thing. How do you like Earl Thomas at 12 - assuming of course the FO doesn't see Clemons as a legitimate game-changer at FS?

thejetssuck
01-25-2010, 06:40 PM
I'm not ready to forecast McClain to Miami yet, even if he does make it to #12.

I just don't think he's aggressive or physical enough for this regime. And they do like Channing Crowder, who calls the defense and is a very smart player, so McClain's leadership on the defense isn't going to be a game changer for Miami's defense. It would have to be his ability to make plays.

As for Weatherspoon, they would have to teach him to be physical and take on blocks straight on. Of the three players, Spikes, McClain and Weatherspoon, I view Spoon as the most undisciplined and prone to freelancing.

All I'm saying is don't be surprised if when Miami comes out of this process they conclude that it's better to get an ILB later rather than sooner, and better to get another position sooner rather than later.

Thank you!!! It isn't just me then!! People are talking about McClain like he is the next Ray Lewis or Mike Singletary and I just don't see it. Have you noticed how he tackles often almost purely with his arms and not from his whole body? It is very odd. I think he is a "good" prospect, just not a "great" prospect.

NorFlaFin
01-25-2010, 08:47 PM
Considering Miami fired almost all of the defensive coaches due to poor performance. I must wonder if the trifica believes the problem is more coaching related then player related.

If it's a coaching problem then do we go WR rd1 and then defense?

TedSlimmJr
01-25-2010, 09:16 PM
Considering Miami fired almost all of the defensive coaches due to poor performance. I must wonder if the trifica believes the problem is more coaching related then player related.

If it's a coaching problem then do we go WR rd1 and then defense?


It's not as simple as one or the other.....it's a both problem...

Just like when they fired the offensive line coach after last year and then went out and spent $150 million on it.....it's a both problem...

Miami needs a NT....and you can't get blood from a turnip...

Miami needs a rebuilt LB unit.....at least 2 starters and another QUALITY backup must be added...

Miami needs a free safety......blood...turnip.....you get the picture...

bert
01-25-2010, 09:47 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2010_OLB i was hoping sapp would drop into the 2nd with his acl .but most draft boards have him going late in the 1st.boom or bust player.more will be told from the combine.but norwood,and hughes from tcu could be there in the 2nd.weatherspoon is moving up to ,good 40 time.

Pinkboy
01-26-2010, 05:55 AM
I could also see KC drafting him.

I mean come on, they drafted a 3-4 DE at 3rd overall last year, and you just don't draft 3-4 DE's at #3.. a DE in a 3-4 defense is not a premier position on that defense. And Tyson Jackson has pretty much sucked since.

so you know they would draft a signal caller and a leader of a defense like McClain at #5 overall if they would select a 3-4 DE at #3 overall.

And remember that KC's GM drafted another inside linebacker with Jerod Mayo high in the draft at #10 overall in 2008.

So that's another thing to keep in mind.

It's a possibility.

XxfeensterxX
01-26-2010, 12:37 PM
Imagine if Eric Berry dropped because of all this. Getting Berry without losing anything is a pipe dream. Hopefully his 40 sucks at the combine or something hahah

Mr_Freezetag
01-26-2010, 01:28 PM
Yea the combine will stir up everyone's theories

ChambersWI
01-26-2010, 02:29 PM
I could also see KC drafting him.

I mean come on, they drafted a 3-4 DE at 3rd overall last year, and you just don't draft 3-4 DE's at #3.. a DE in a 3-4 defense is not a premier position on that defense. And Tyson Jackson has pretty much sucked since.

so you know they would draft a signal caller and a leader of a defense like McClain at #5 overall if they would select a 3-4 DE at #3 overall.

And remember that KC's GM drafted another inside linebacker with Jerod Mayo high in the draft at #10 overall in 2008.

So that's another thing to keep in mind.

It's a possibility.

3-4 DEs are very important to a 3-4 defense. And Jackson really didn't suck, the Chiefs were very happy with Both Jackson AND Dorsey and 3-4 DEs. The Chiefs drafted Jackson because they had nobody but Dorsey who could project to the 3-4 (and truth be told, Dorsey would probably be better in the 4-3). Yes they need an upgrade at ILB (Though Derrick Johnson played well late in the season), but their biggest needs are safety (Mike Brown and Jon McGraw are their starters), OL (Brendan Albert isn't bad at LT, but if they draft someone like Okung and move Albert to LG they fill 2 holes at once) and NT (Ron Edwards). McClain could easily be the pick for KC, but KC's new regime/Patriots old regime draft more on players that can help right away and also fill needs.

Pinkboy
01-26-2010, 08:17 PM
3-4 DEs are very important to a 3-4 defense. And Jackson really didn't suck, the Chiefs were very happy with Both Jackson AND Dorsey and 3-4 DEs. The Chiefs drafted Jackson because they had nobody but Dorsey who could project to the 3-4 (and truth be told, Dorsey would probably be better in the 4-3). Yes they need an upgrade at ILB (Though Derrick Johnson played well late in the season), but their biggest needs are safety (Mike Brown and Jon McGraw are their starters), OL (Brendan Albert isn't bad at LT, but if they draft someone like Okung and move Albert to LG they fill 2 holes at once) and NT (Ron Edwards). McClain could easily be the pick for KC, but KC's new regime/Patriots old regime draft more on players that can help right away and also fill needs.

I watched him plenty this season, he sucked. He was awful. Jackson was constantly taken out of plays by just one offensive lineman.

And you can't compare 3-4 DE's to OLB's and NT as far as importance to a 3-4 defense.. And if you want to go further, a stud safety or a stud corner can be more important to a defense than a stud 3-4 DE.

You don't normally see 3-4 defensive teams purposely pick 3-4 DE's in the top 5 overall. It is rare. That's because it is not a premier position.

There were A LOT of people surprised when Tyson Jackson went 3rd overall. People were shocked.

And there is a good reason for that. They can be found later. Just like Guards for the offensive line, they don't go high in the 1st round either. No matter how much of a stud he may be.

Name all the top 3 stud OLB's, NT's, Safeties, and corners in the NFL..

We can even go ILB with guys like Patrick Willis and Ray Lewis. You don't think Willis and Ray Lewis have more of an impact to a defense over their careers than Randy Starks (who should be a 3-4 DE pro bowler this year) ??

And then name the top 3 stud 3-4 DE's in the NFL after naming the top 3 guys in the NFL for those other positions..

I would easily pick all those players from #1-3 at those other positions for my defense over the stud 3-4 DE's.. EASILY ! And it's not even close.