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DeeAy3000
01-23-2010, 06:30 PM
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/features/rumors?addata=2009_insdr_mod_nfl_xxx_xxx

For those of you who don't have insider:

"OLB or ILB for Miami at No. 12?
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This will be one of the more important offseasons in recent memory for the Miami Dolphins. Chad Henne showed some nice development, but he needs more weapons. The defense also showed some promise at times, but they need new bodies in key places.

Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald takes a look at one debate: will the team draft an ILB or an OLB at No. 12 overall? Mel Kiper Jr. forecasts the Dolphins taking ILB Rolando McClain in that spot (click here for more on McClain), but other draft pundits have them picking OLB Sergio Kindle ... because McClain is already off the board.

Salguero thinks it will be an interesting conundrum if both Kindle and McClain are still on the board, and we'll add that it'll be interesting if they've both already been taken (do they go with WR Dez Bryant in that situation?). The draft is still three months away, but keep an eye on what the Fins do in free agency for clues as to what they'll do that fateful Thursday night in April."

I feel like both Dez and McClain are elite prospects and I'd be thrilled with either, but Kindle just doesn't make me think "elite", maybe he'll change my mind in the coming months.

rushfinfan85
01-23-2010, 07:53 PM
kindle in the first is a joke! there is no way that we take kindle in the first. Give me graham before kindle much more upside to him was absolutly great on a horrilble mighigan defense. If we take i=kindle over graham it will be a major bust!!

#1dolphinsfan
01-23-2010, 07:56 PM
if we cant get R. McClain or Dez Bryant i want to trade down and do what the browns did last year

j-off-her-doll
01-23-2010, 08:09 PM
kindle in the first is a joke! there is no way that we take kindle in the first. Give me graham before kindle much more upside to him was absolutly great on a horrilble mighigan defense. If we take i=kindle over graham it will be a major bust!!

Exactly. I've been saying for months that Kindle doesn't know how to penetrate. He runs around and makes plays in pursuit - obviously a good thing - but he doesn't have the necessary tools to be an elite SSOLB (or WSOLB). To me, he's more of an over sized 4-3 OLB. 12, though, is too high for Graham. I had him as our 1st RD pick when I thought we'd be drafting around 20, but I think there's some chance he's still available when we draft in the 2nd. With the Mike Nolan hire, I'd prefer to draft E. Thomas (again, reminds me of Ed Reed) and hope that one of the following is available in RD 2: B. Graham, S. Witherspoon, B. Spikes. If none of these players are available, maybe we look at A. Benn or T. Cody (pretty sure he'll still be on the board) in the 2nd. Really, there's a pretty decent chance Kindle will be there when we draft in RD 2, but I wouldn't take him until RD 3 (and he won't be there at that point).

hooshoops
01-23-2010, 09:45 PM
if i had to choose between sergio kindle and brandon graham it wouldn't even take me a second...

graham...assuming he looks ok in lb drills

DeeAy3000
01-24-2010, 12:03 AM
If we can't get Dez or McClain, and we can't trade down, I'd take a good long look at Earl Thomas. I like what I've seen out of him and it would give Nolan a nice Ed Reed type of apprentice in the secondary.

FinsFanatic777
01-24-2010, 01:07 AM
Why Sergio Kindle? I have Jerry Hughes rated WAY higher than Kindle... or is it just me?

DeeAy3000
01-24-2010, 01:17 PM
There is something going on with Kindle that has people going in completely different directions. I've seen anywhere from the top 15 to the bottom of the 3rd, either way, I have been none too impressed.

Roman529
01-24-2010, 01:22 PM
No way we take Kindle....McClain yes, Dez Bryant yes, CJ Spiller maybe yes....Kindle is a late first rounder. If our top three targets are all gone when we come to the podium then I think we trade down for an extra pick.

skipp2myloo13
01-24-2010, 01:24 PM
I think we have to look McClain, Dez, Spiller, Thomas, Spoon, Hughes, Graham (if he is shooting up boards) in that order.

CAPT.245
01-24-2010, 01:36 PM
I think McClain would be the perfct fit,and I bet sprano,tuna,and Irland are all lickn there chops for him also nolan.....

LikeUntoGod
01-24-2010, 03:48 PM
IMO, with almost no decent FAs this year, we need to draft a stud ILB and strongside OLB. Both need to be starters.

cobbs321
01-24-2010, 06:37 PM
It's all gonna depend on what we do in FA. If we sign someone like Dansby then i think we trade back and take an OLB and pick up a 2nd in the process. If we sign an OLB then i think that we will be hoping to take McClain at #12

Quadfather
01-24-2010, 07:00 PM
i said in a previous thread i started that we will draft a linebacker. but now that i look at the linebackers, other than mclain, i dont see anyone worth taking at the #12 overall spot. kindle might be good, but he seems like a project. so we could go elsewhere. i doubt we take dez bryant, but c.j. spiller is a strong possibility. the other guy i like is earl thomas. another thing to consider, i wouldnt be suprised if we traded up for mclain. i bet the browns would give us the #7 pick for our early 6th round pick. that could be a possibility to get mclain, and i want mclain bad. we need a playmaker and captain of the future for that defense and mclain is that guy like no one else in this draft.

finfan54
01-24-2010, 09:10 PM
I didnt watch much kindle or much college ball this year, but when I did, I watched Kindle. He was around the ball alot. Thats all I know.

I dont get why this board is so against Kindle but it seems to be spreading. Thats what makes me think its not true.

Finheaven plays favorites.

Jerry Hughes seems to be a target regardless but the piling on on here reminds me of the piling on for ted ginn.

j-off-her-doll
01-24-2010, 11:50 PM
I didnt watch much kindle or much college ball this year, but when I did, I watched Kindle. He was around the ball alot. Thats all I know.

I dont get why this board is so against Kindle but it seems to be spreading. Thats what makes me think its not true.

Finheaven plays favorites.

Jerry Hughes seems to be a target regardless but the piling on on here reminds me of the piling on for ted ginn.

People are "piling on" Kindle because he's not the force on D you'd want out of a top-15 pick. Some people are trying to liken him to D. Ware - as a pick for the FO - and that sentiment is just ridiculous.

hooshoops
01-24-2010, 11:51 PM
kindle compared to d ware is just that rediculous...

miami234ever
01-25-2010, 12:06 AM
I think McClain is our guy...and I think he will be available when we pick. Chiefs (too high), Seahawks (no need), Raiders (no need), Bills (no need), & Jaguars (no need) won't take him. Browns might take him, but they have other pressing needs imo. Denver is the only real threat and even then they are paying a lot of money to DJ Williams and Andra Davis played very well for them this season.

SamIam
01-25-2010, 12:29 AM
I am sick and tired of rolando mcclain... the amount of mcclain lovers in this board is insane and I am pretty sure most of you never seen him play.. or maybe a game here and a game there... just pure hype IMO.

Let me tell you something I don't like about mcclain, he is SLOW, once the play is outside the tackles, he looks like the slowest player on the field. I have seen around 6 bama games I was not impressed at all.

I hope to god we stay away from this guy.

lbmclean_sj
01-25-2010, 12:36 AM
Let me tell you something I don't like about mcclain, he is SLOW, once the play is outside the tackles, he looks like the slowest player on the field. I have seen around 6 bama games I was not impressed at all.


if he has superior instincts then disregard his footspeed. false steps are a bigger problem for a ILB than footspeed

a certain Texas Tech MLB was slow and small and when he got to the NFL all we saw was that he knew where to go at the snap of the ball

hooshoops
01-25-2010, 12:37 AM
mcclain can run...for a 6 ft 4 258 lb lb footspeed is not a problem...at all

MrEd
01-25-2010, 01:16 AM
Sean Weatherspoon > Rolando McClain. McClain is another Channing Crowder clone. Weatherspoon looks more the lightning quick BIG TIME HITTER and is waaaaaaaaay better in coverage, which we also need.

At #12 it should be Weatherspoon, CJ Spiller, Earl Thomas, or Dez Bryant.

HurriPhin
01-25-2010, 01:25 AM
I am sick and tired of rolando mcclain... the amount of mcclain lovers in this board is insane and I am pretty sure most of you never seen him play.. or maybe a game here and a game there... just pure hype IMO.

Let me tell you something I don't like about mcclain, he is SLOW, once the play is outside the tackles, he looks like the slowest player on the field. I have seen around 6 bama games I was not impressed at all.

I hope to god we stay away from this guy.


Sucks for you that the rest of us (Including scouts and draft specialists) aren't sick and tired of him. His speed is is only knock (which is rated as OK, not slow). Everything else about this kid is quite exceptional.

And FYI, I saw all his games along with many many others. I didnt have to work last year so all I did was watch football on satellite on my DVR all week long.

SamIam
01-25-2010, 01:29 AM
if he has superior instincts then disregard his footspeed. false steps are a bigger problem for a ILB than footspeed

a certain Texas Tech MLB was slow and small and when he got to the NFL all we saw was that he knew where to go at the snap of the ball

If you want to use the 12th overall pick on an ILB, then he better be a complete one, and mcclain is not from what I saw, I will try to find clips but like I said, once the play is outside the tackles, he looks like he is Jogging out there, a clear lack of foot speed... he is not a sideline to sideline patrick willis like by any strech.

Now I do like his size and that he is a very good blitzer, and somewhat decent in coverage but that is in college, in the pros that will get exposed.

DeeAy3000
01-25-2010, 12:11 PM
I didnt watch much kindle or much college ball this year, but when I did, I watched Kindle. He was around the ball alot. Thats all I know.

I dont get why this board is so against Kindle but it seems to be spreading. Thats what makes me think its not true.

Finheaven plays favorites.

Jerry Hughes seems to be a target regardless but the piling on on here reminds me of the piling on for ted ginn.

Ted Ginn deserves every word.

ckparrothead
01-25-2010, 01:46 PM
if i had to choose between sergio kindle and brandon graham it wouldn't even take me a second...

graham...assuming he looks ok in lb drills

Try as I might, I can't warm up to Graham.

He's a gap shooter, and that's basically the only way he comes off looking interesting to me.

I realize this is a linebacker position and so we shouldn't necessarily view this like a defensive lineman but I think a lot of it applies. Does Brandon Graham rock an OL back with his punch? The answer it no, least not in the games I watched. He also doesn't have the ability to make himself small in order to turn the corner in pass rush.

I would rather have Jerry Hughes. I do like Kindle though, more than a lot of folks. I think he's obviously got technique issues that need to be ironed out, but you can SEE his power when he knocks an OL backward...and he has that closing burst to the football that makes big plays at the next level. He relishes in physical contact. If you can get his head right I think you have a football player. But I don't consider him to have like a Taylor Mays head or something that bad.

Just not seeing Brandon Graham. I'd put him down by Brandon Lang.

DeeAy3000
01-25-2010, 02:09 PM
Try as I might, I can't warm up to Graham.

He's a gap shooter, and that's basically the only way he comes off looking interesting to me.

I realize this is a linebacker position and so we shouldn't necessarily view this like a defensive lineman but I think a lot of it applies. Does Brandon Graham rock an OL back with his punch? The answer it no, least not in the games I watched. He also doesn't have the ability to make himself small in order to turn the corner in pass rush.

I would rather have Jerry Hughes. I do like Kindle though, more than a lot of folks. I think he's obviously got technique issues that need to be ironed out, but you can SEE his power when he knocks an OL backward...and he has that closing burst to the football that makes big plays at the next level. He relishes in physical contact. If you can get his head right I think you have a football player. But I don't consider him to have like a Taylor Mays head or something that bad.

Just not seeing Brandon Graham. I'd put him down by Brandon Lang.

Jerry Hughes is another guy that seems to be getting mixed reviews. I know a lot of people on here really like the guy, but outside of finheaven there doesn't seem to be as much love. Neither Kiper nor McShay have him projected as a first round pick, which I know can always be taken with a grain of salt. Either way, what are you guys seeing that Dracula and his awkward blonde shadow aren't?

greasyObnoxious
01-25-2010, 02:29 PM
Jerry Hughes is another guy that seems to be getting mixed reviews. I know a lot of people on here really like the guy, but outside of finheaven there doesn't seem to be as much love. Neither Kiper nor McShay have him projected as a first round pick, which I know can always be taken with a grain of salt. Either way, what are you guys seeing that Dracula and his awkward blonde shadow aren't?

an explosive burst and very good athleticism

rushfinfan85
01-25-2010, 02:52 PM
From what I have seen from a couple of hughes games is that he does not have a good motor seen him giving up on to many plays but I do like his ability when he is standing. Kindle while a physical speciman just has terrible technique which could be fixed but dont want that from a first round guy. Mclain is superior to spoon in the IQ but spoon is superior to Mclain is his ability to play the game in both blitzing and in coverage. Graham would be great to have in the second and give me spoon in the first and let nolan play!

Tunaphish429
01-25-2010, 03:11 PM
Mcclain looks like the next Pat Willis

hooshoops
01-25-2010, 03:30 PM
Try as I might, I can't warm up to Graham.

He's a gap shooter, and that's basically the only way he comes off looking interesting to me.

I realize this is a linebacker position and so we shouldn't necessarily view this like a defensive lineman but I think a lot of it applies. Does Brandon Graham rock an OL back with his punch? The answer it no, least not in the games I watched. He also doesn't have the ability to make himself small in order to turn the corner in pass rush.

I would rather have Jerry Hughes. I do like Kindle though, more than a lot of folks. I think he's obviously got technique issues that need to be ironed out, but you can SEE his power when he knocks an OL backward...and he has that closing burst to the football that makes big plays at the next level. He relishes in physical contact. If you can get his head right I think you have a football player. But I don't consider him to have like a Taylor Mays head or something that bad.

Just not seeing Brandon Graham. I'd put him down by Brandon Lang.

ck, at lb if in fact they can make the transition what are you looking at brandon graham as??? i view him as a solb along with kindle and hughes as a wolb only...i think graham sets the edge vs the run and holds up at the poa with the best of them in this draft and he shows a nice bull rush and power leverage player...

i'd prefer hughes over kindle and graham myself also...if we need a wolb

kindle does have a nice initial punch that rocks a tackle back on contact but he struggles to maintain it...strong upper body weak lower body...

j-off-her-doll
01-25-2010, 04:08 PM
ck, at lb if in fact they can make the transition what are you looking at brandon graham as??? i view him as a solb along with kindle and hughes as a wolb only...i think graham sets the edge vs the run and holds up at the poa with the best of them in this draft and he shows a nice bull rush and power leverage player...

i'd prefer hughes over kindle and graham myself also...if we need a wolb

kindle does have a nice initial punch that rocks a tackle back on contact but he struggles to maintain it...strong upper body weak lower body...

Agree completely. You don't get 25 TFL - while constantly fighting off double and triple teams - without being a legitimate run-stuffer. I said before, though, that if the FO thinks Wake can play SSOLB (he's strong enough) maybe they do look hard at Hughes with the #12 pick.

hooshoops
01-25-2010, 04:14 PM
Agree completely. You don't get 25 TFL - while constantly fighting off double and triple teams - without being a legitimate run-stuffer. I said before, though, that if the FO thinks Wake can play SSOLB (he's strong enough) maybe they do look hard at Hughes with the #12 pick.

i don't think wake is strong enough vs the run to play the strongside on run downs

j-off-her-doll
01-25-2010, 04:18 PM
i don't think wake is strong enough vs the run to play the strongside on run downs

As a physical specimen, he's stronger than Jason Taylor. It'd be a matter of learning the intricacies of the position. I do like him better at WOLB, though.

hooshoops
01-25-2010, 04:26 PM
As a physical specimen, he's stronger than Jason Taylor. It'd be a matter of learning the intricacies of the position. I do like him better at WOLB, though.

no doubt...wake is strong as an ox...but he's too good a pass rusher off the edge in my book to not put on the weakside

Valkyron
01-25-2010, 09:59 PM
Mcclain looks like the next Pat Willis

McClain isn't athletic enough to be the next Patrick Willis from what I've seen.

bert
01-25-2010, 10:19 PM
no doubt...wake is strong as an ox...but he's too good a pass rusher off the edge in my book to not put on the weakside
not only that,but teams throw on 2nd down alot.what i dont understand .how is it a bad thing when you are blowing up tackles ,and getting in the backfield?the tackles dive out hard to stop wake.they will also have to push hard to the inside to stop him.this brings up blitzing and stunting combinations from the edge.we just need an explosive player that plays behind him.so that they can play there own stunt games from the edge.i expect nolan to blitz from wakes side next year.

uga3406
01-26-2010, 12:53 AM
I would take spiller over kindle in a miami heartbeat!