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BAMAPHIN 22
01-27-2010, 10:42 AM
How does coach Miami Dolphins coach Tony Sparano – whose team popularized the Wildcat – feel Tebow would do in the formation.

"Oh, I think he'd do fine," Sparano said.



"There's so much of this Wildcat going on," an AFC scout said this week. "If someone is willing to give him a shot, they might also look at him at (the Wildcat)."



Sparano is careful about comparing Tebow to other quarterbacks in the Wildcat or any other system. The Dolphins used last year's second-round selection on West Virginia's Pat White, a shotgun quarterback who rushed for 81 yards and did not complete a pass in five attempts.

While other teams might use the Wildcat for a diversion, the Dolphins run the Wildcat for power. With Ronnie Brown as the quarterback and Ricky Williams his backfield mate, teams know what's coming but still have trouble stopping Miami's toughness.

The Dolphins, who are coaching this year's Tebow-led South Team, might not be looking for a quarterback with Chad Henne positioned as the franchise's future.

"You're looking at different players, you try to identify their skill sets and see if it fits you and your team," Sparano said. "In our case, Pat White was a guy we've seen in this (Senior Bowl)."


http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/os-senior-bowl-tebow-wildcat-0127-20100126,0,6586882.story

Etuoo33
01-27-2010, 10:51 AM
My nightmare is Belecheat taking Tebow with one of his 14-2nd round picks and having him run the 'cat against US!

templarwd
01-27-2010, 11:02 AM
I just got cornered by one of my co-workers, who proceeded to berate Tony Sprano ( and me by virtue of being a Phins fan) for ruining Tim’s pro career. He’s a huge Gators honk and is furious that Tony is “going Tony Soprano” on his passing ability.

SQuinn17
01-27-2010, 11:04 AM
My nightmare is Belecheat taking Tebow with one of his 14-2nd round picks and having him run the 'cat against US!
My nightmare is us taking tebow

lurking
01-27-2010, 11:09 AM
My nightmare is us taking tebow
ditto

truedolfan57
01-27-2010, 11:11 AM
My nightmare is us taking tebow
in the second round.:ohno:

napsndreds
01-27-2010, 11:12 AM
The way TIm Tebow is practicing, maybe he will drop to the 3rd or even 4th and we can pick him up...There wont be any guilt with the pick at that point...you wouldnt take Tebow in the 3rd or 4th?

napsndreds
01-27-2010, 11:12 AM
My nightmare is us taking tebow

it would be a blessing.

truedolfan57
01-27-2010, 11:15 AM
The way TIm Tebow is practicing, maybe he will drop to the 3rd or even 4th and we can pick him up...There wont be any guilt with the pick at that point...you wouldnt take Tebow in the 3rd or 4th?
to play tight end? If he's there in the 7th, then i'd think about it.

Akronfinfan36
01-27-2010, 11:23 AM
I just got cornered by one of my co-workers, who proceeded to berate Tony Sprano ( and me by virtue of being a Phins fan) for ruining Tim’s pro career. He’s a huge Gators honk and is furious that Tony is “going Tony Soprano” on his passing ability.

Hey c-town....tell your buddy that coach sparano isn't the only one heavily criticizing everything about Timmy Boy's 'passing ability'. Practically every on-air draft expert is justifiably picking apart his throwing mechanics, accuracy and footwork.

Akronfinfan36
01-27-2010, 11:24 AM
My nightmare is us taking tebow

This will NOT happen...someone please tell me it won't.:ohno:

SQuinn17
01-27-2010, 11:25 AM
it would be a blessing.
For other teams that have to play us.

Aqua and Orange
01-27-2010, 11:29 AM
Tebow in the wildcat is a disaster IMO. Our offense is trending away from it as Ronnie cannot be counted on to be healthy. Stay away.

NYinBostonFin
01-27-2010, 11:30 AM
Not happening. We used a draft pick on a QB for the wildcat last year. Let someone else use him as a project.

SuperMarksBros.
01-27-2010, 11:31 AM
it would be a blessing.

we already have a really good fullback

napsndreds
01-27-2010, 11:32 AM
to play tight end? If he's there in the 7th, then i'd think about it.

To play whatever man, Tebow is a leader and a football player...And I wouldnt want tebow at TE..how about we actually draft a real TE...let him and Pat white or Thigpen battle for the 3rd qb spot...competition is a good thing...

SuperMarksBros.
01-27-2010, 11:36 AM
To play whatever man, Tebow is a leader and a football player...And I wouldnt want tebow at TE..how about we actually draft a real TE...let him and Pat white or Thigpen battle for the 3rd qb spot...competition is a good thing...

so you want to draft a quasi-qb in the 3rd or 4th round to battle it out for 3rd string? we must be set at pretty much every position.

napsndreds
01-27-2010, 11:36 AM
Tebow in the wildcat is a disaster IMO. Our offense is trending away from it as Ronnie cannot be counted on to be healthy. Stay away.

which is why we need someone to come in and fill Ronnie's slot. Use tim and ronnie in the wild cat and use Pat white in the pistol...then throw henne some where in there...talk about confusion.

napsndreds
01-27-2010, 11:39 AM
so you want to draft a quasi-qb in the 3rd or 4th round to battle it out for 3rd string? we must be set at pretty much every position.

No I do agree we have other glaring concerns...With so much WR's on the active roster, I doubt we will draft one at all.. we may draft one and get a free agent to come in..The first is defense and a NT. im pretty sure Parcells has a surprise pick in there somewhere.. character is ranked at the top of the list...With Tebow you know exactly what your getting...Its not far fetched and its not logical either but we have seen stranger things occur.

truedolfan57
01-27-2010, 11:45 AM
which is why we need someone to come in and fill Ronnie's slot. Use tim and ronnie in the wild cat and use Pat white in the pistol...then throw henne some where in there...talk about confusion.
i would rather confuse people with a #1 WR and a stout Defense.

truedolfan57
01-27-2010, 11:46 AM
No I do agree we have other glaring concerns...With so much WR's on the active roster, I doubt we will draft one at all.. we may draft one and get a free agent to come in..The first is defense and a NT. im pretty sure Parcells has a surprise pick in there somewhere.. character is ranked at the top of the list...With Tebow you know exactly what your getting...Its not far fetched and its not logical either but we have seen stranger things occur.
That's the same exact thing WV fans were saying about Pat White...

72champagne
01-27-2010, 11:49 AM
wow. there'll be two virgins over 20 in Miami. Tebow & Serena. historic.

napsndreds
01-27-2010, 11:55 AM
That's the same exact thing WV fans were saying about Pat White...

yeah but you gotta let a guy play more than 3 times a game to see what he can do.. Obviously we arent looking for the perfect situation to put Pat White in...The Pat White project would have went better had we still had Pennington healthy on the roster. His usage decreased after his injury..not enough snaps...he's a rookie and as a qb alot is going on...next year will be a better year hopefully.

truedolfan57
01-27-2010, 11:58 AM
yeah but you gotta let a guy play more than 3 times a game to see what he can do.. Obviously we arent looking for the perfect situation to put Pat White in...The Pat White project would have went better had we still had Pennington healthy on the roster. His usage decreased after his injury..not enough snaps...he's a rookie and as a qb alot is going on...next year will be a better year hopefully.
what?! so pat white would have gotten more PT had pennington not gotten hurt? :confused:

napsndreds
01-27-2010, 12:06 PM
what?! so pat white would have gotten more PT had pennington not gotten hurt? :confused:

This is not my assumption, this was the strategy by Sparano as stated in his pressers. After the Injury he explained that Pat White became the second string QB. At that point you have to limit the usage as if he gets hurt and say henne gets hurt we would have a bigger problem on our hands. It makes sense..If Pennington was not injuried..White would have been used more. He was designated the second string qb for that usage reason. If He got hurt (White) we still had henne to fall back on as a viable backup/starter to cover for Pennington. But Penny got hurt and instead of Henne being his back up Pat White became the legitimate backup to Henne..

Vaark
01-27-2010, 12:16 PM
IMO, this is all moot since a desperate Jacksonville would take him in the first round even if he was a 1-legged manslut.

72champagne
01-27-2010, 12:18 PM
IMO, this is all moot since a desperate Jacksonville would take him in the first round even if he was a 1-legged manslut.
safest bet in the entire draft.

truedolfan57
01-27-2010, 12:19 PM
This is not my assumption, this was the strategy by Sparano as stated in his pressers. After the Injury he explained that Pat White became the second string QB. At that point you have to limit the usage as if he gets hurt and say henne gets hurt we would have a bigger problem on our hands. It makes sense..If Pennington was not injuried..White would have been used more. He was designated the second string qb for that usage reason. If He got hurt (White) we still had henne to fall back on as a viable backup/starter to cover for Pennington. But Penny got hurt and instead of Henne being his back up Pat White became the legitimate backup to Henne..
Well, then i'd say it was a blessing, because of the way white was playing against pittsburg, miami would probably have fallen to last place in the division.

utahphinsfan
01-27-2010, 12:21 PM
Take Timmy as QB? NEVER!

As a TE/H-back/Wildcat specialist in the 4th round? Maybe.

napsndreds
01-27-2010, 12:21 PM
IMO, this is all moot since a desperate Jacksonville would take him in the first round even if he was a 1-legged manslut.

Is there some insider that is positive Jags will take tebow? I thought they had Garrad and Luke Mccown? lol I guess they do need a qb..but do they run the wildcat or spread offense much?

utahphinsfan
01-27-2010, 12:25 PM
To play whatever man, Tebow is a leader and a football player...And I wouldnt want tebow at TE..how about we actually draft a real TE...let him and Pat white or Thigpen battle for the 3rd qb spot...competition is a good thing...

By that logic, we should draft Jim Dray (TE) of Stanford, a real QB, & not Timmy.

I'd take Max Hall (not as good as John Beck) From BYU before Timmy.

I'd rather take Kerry Meier (Kansas WR) who @ one point played QB and move him back to QB than Timmy.

Phin-o-rama
01-27-2010, 12:27 PM
he'll be taken in the 1st round...maybe 2nd

Green Phin
01-27-2010, 12:34 PM
I'd rather spend my energy trying to get CP10 as a backup, and then let White and Thigpen battle for the 3rd spot.

josekareh
01-27-2010, 12:34 PM
It's good we are not drafting him.

Vaark
01-27-2010, 12:44 PM
Is there some insider that is positive Jags will take tebow? I thought they had Garrad and Luke Mccown? lol I guess they do need a qb..but do they run the wildcat or spread offense much?

Like I intimated, it has nothing to do with his ability to play the position, only to put azzes in the seats and blackouts.... before they have to close up shop or move. It's strictly a business move capitalizing on the Q-rating of a Jacksonville home boy.

SuperMarksBros.
01-27-2010, 12:47 PM
I'd rather spend my energy trying to get CP10 as a backup, and then let White and Thigpen battle for the 3rd spot.

I say we move forward with:

1.Henne
2.Thigpen
3.White

Penny's was great for us, but he's about done and its not worth releasing one very capable backup and another highly drafted project just to keep him around.

deezdgbt
01-27-2010, 12:50 PM
Tebow will get a shot and he will do well with it. I just wish we didn't pick Pat White last year. That was the dumbest pick I've ever seen in my life.

truedolfan57
01-27-2010, 12:50 PM
I say we move forward with:

1.Henne
2.Thigpen
3.White

Penny's was great for us, but he's about done and its not worth releasing one very capable backup and another highly drafted project just to keep him around.
I'm willing to get rid of white, or move him to another position and get a servicable QB...

SuperMarksBros.
01-27-2010, 12:54 PM
I'm willing to get rid of white, or move him to another position and get a servicable QB...
I would too, but they spent such a high pick on the guy I guess its worth finding out if he's gonna at least show some improvement in his 2nd year.

truedolfan57
01-27-2010, 12:56 PM
I would too, but they spent such a high pick on the guy I guess its worth finding out if he's gonna at least show some improvement in his 2nd year.
which really sucks. I hate seeing henne go to the sideline when he's not hurt.

Gammons Peter
01-27-2010, 12:57 PM
I'm finished with this regime if they draft him. Tebow can heal the lame and circumcise lepers on someone else's dime.

NoblePhin
01-27-2010, 01:15 PM
He is perfect for the wildcat. I would take him but i don't know what he is projected at.

truedolfan57
01-27-2010, 01:23 PM
He is perfect for the wildcat. I would take him but i don't know what he is projected at.
most people have him being selected in round 2.

Dr. Phin
01-27-2010, 01:27 PM
Can we trade in PW for Tebow?

AquaInferno
01-27-2010, 01:32 PM
We should draft ANYTHING but a QB this year, I'd rather see us take a backup offensive lineman over a QB. I mean hell with a the defensive meltdowns, just take a defensive guy in ANY position reach or not when someone in the draft room says, "what about a QB?"

NoblePhin
01-27-2010, 01:34 PM
Tebow, at the very least, brings die hard leadership to an offense that has none so far. He can pound the rock and throw the ball. If we were to draft him, he would take the direct snap with ronnie coming off the edge. I wouldn't mind that at all. a second round pick however is too high due to our defensive needs. If we can shore up some of those needs in FA, we could possibly gamble on him, but 2 years in a row taking a specialist in the 2nd round might be the regimes downfall.

Daytona Fin
01-27-2010, 01:41 PM
if the nfl would give us a refund on pat white and tebow slipped to 6th or 7th round, i say do it otherwise , hell no.

NYinBostonFin
01-27-2010, 01:41 PM
Can we trade in PW for Tebow?

That would be the only way he is on the team next year.

COphinphan89
01-27-2010, 01:57 PM
Unlike most Gator fans, I'm really not all that jazzed about Tebow as an NFL QB. I would be just as upset if we drafted him as I was when we took White. I knew that was a bad idea from Day 1.

Wildbill3
01-27-2010, 02:11 PM
My nightmare is Belecheat taking Tebow with one of his 14-2nd round picks and having him run the 'cat against US!
who cares? seriously that is little reason to draft someone.

templarwd
01-27-2010, 02:13 PM
Hey c-town....tell your buddy that coach sparano isn't the only one heavily criticizing everything about Timmy Boy's 'passing ability'. Practically every on-air draft expert is justifiably picking apart his throwing mechanics, accuracy and footwork.

I told him that and he seems to beleive that the Phins coaches have it in for them. His respose was basically; "They started it and everyone has been piling on"

sharp
01-27-2010, 03:51 PM
I think he will go to Jacksonville and be a competitor but nothing elite. I'd like to see how he works in the NFL. I hope we dont get him because I hate him and it would be a waste. Atleast Pat White can burn people. Though if the Pats get him he will be a dominant force... why? Just because thats life.

Roman529
01-27-2010, 03:53 PM
I'd take Tebow if he fell to the 3rd round....he can replace Pat White, who is too small for the NFL. I think Tebow would make a capable third QB behind Henne and Thigpen.

DannyX18
01-27-2010, 04:22 PM
OH MY GOODNESS NO!! Why would we want a future backup tight end on our squad??

napsndreds
01-27-2010, 04:55 PM
Tebow, at the very least, brings die hard leadership to an offense that has none so far. He can pound the rock and throw the ball. If we were to draft him, he would take the direct snap with ronnie coming off the edge. I wouldn't mind that at all. a second round pick however is too high due to our defensive needs. If we can shore up some of those needs in FA, we could possibly gamble on him, but 2 years in a row taking a specialist in the 2nd round might be the regimes downfall.

Thats what im saying if tebow is avail in the 3rd or 4th id take em.

Vertical Limit
01-27-2010, 04:56 PM
I didn't know the Patriots had that many 2nd round picks. Got a feeling they will use them to trade for established players.

napsndreds
01-27-2010, 04:57 PM
I'd take Tebow if he fell to the 3rd round....he can replace Pat White, who is too small for the NFL. I think Tebow would make a capable third QB behind Henne and Thigpen.

Do you think the the players in college are all like half the size of nfl players or something? If thats the case, arent you too small to play college football? I do admit these guys in the nfl are big but I dont think any linemen size exceptions were made for west virginia at the time of pat white's playing days...

Its a lame excuse...If HE feels safe enough to be out there then it doesnt matter what size you are. He looks small, but I dont see how it affects anything.

napsndreds
01-27-2010, 05:01 PM
Earl boykins and Nate robinson dont have problems scoring int he NBA. Neither does Drew Brees, or Jones Drew to name a few...by the way Drew Brees and White are both the same height except, he is about ten lbs heavier... Only thing Pat White needs to do is lift some weights and practice more plays.

dolpns13
01-27-2010, 05:05 PM
Lets just spend 2nd round picks EVERY year on quarterbacks..Why not, it works out great for us, might as well keep history alive.

NoblePhin
01-27-2010, 05:12 PM
if we could sign wilfork in FA (if he doesn't get slapped in the face), trade down from 12 and pick up a 4th and select Brandon Graham, i would spend a 3 or 4 on him as well.

BigJP
01-27-2010, 05:24 PM
Tebow, at the very least, brings die hard leadership to an offense that has none so far. He can pound the rock and throw the ball. If we were to draft him, he would take the direct snap with ronnie coming off the edge. I wouldn't mind that at all. a second round pick however is too high due to our defensive needs. If we can shore up some of those needs in FA, we could possibly gamble on him, but 2 years in a row taking a specialist in the 2nd round might be the regimes downfall.


According to the players on this team we do have a die hard leader on offense and his name is chad henne

napsndreds
01-27-2010, 05:39 PM
According to the players on this team we do have a die hard leader on offense and his name is chad henne

And just like every other rebuttal that you guys say when Sparano or anyone else compliments a player within the organization you dont like..."thats what their sopposed to say"
Chad Henne is in a leadership position, what are his players sopposed to say? I bet you you wont hear them say "Chad Henne has been the best leader I have ever followed" That would be a lie from the pit of hell..The politically correct answer is "yes he is a leader, he shows poise" anything negative or truthful and you become a cancer..

SQuinn17
01-27-2010, 05:45 PM
Earl boykins and Nate robinson dont have problems scoring int he NBA. Neither does Drew Brees, or Jones Drew to name a few...by the way Drew Brees and White are both the same height except, he is about ten lbs heavier... Only thing Pat White needs to do is lift some weights and practice more plays.
Brees and Jones Drew are both 20 pounds heavier. I respect your opinion, but White is nowhere on the same level talent wise as Drew Brees. Brees is one of the most accurate passers in the game and completed over 70% of his passes this yr. His talent alone can overcome his height deficit. White hasn't even completed a pass yet.

MadDog 88
01-27-2010, 05:58 PM
by the way Drew Brees and White are both the same height except, he is about ten lbs heavier... Only thing Pat White needs to do is lift some weights and practice more plays.
Pat White is not close to the talent level of Drew Brees.

NoblePhin
01-27-2010, 06:11 PM
pat white needs to gain weight if he is going to be the specialist we are trying to mold him to be. If he can gain the weight in the offseason and progress drastically as a thrower he could be a good weapon. personally i don't think he is going to cut it at qb. I wouldn't mind trying him at KR or RB if he can gain more weight.

napsndreds
01-27-2010, 06:21 PM
Pat White is not close to the talent level of Drew Brees.

obviously, the debate was about size...

napsndreds
01-27-2010, 06:24 PM
All are dead on regarding talent. My response was to...

Originally Posted by Roman529
I'd take Tebow if he fell to the 3rd round....he can replace Pat White, who is too small for the NFL. I think Tebow would make a capable third QB behind Henne and Thigpen.

MadDog 88
01-27-2010, 06:42 PM
We have taken enough QBs in the last several years. We are solid at #1 and #2. You don't draft a 3rd stringer in the 3rd or 4th round when you have the number of holes to fill the Dolphins have.

I would love them to cut White and move on but I don't see that happening. They'll give him another year to see what value, if any, they can get out of him. If they replace him as a 3rd stringer, they'll do it late round or waiver wire pick up, not in the 3rd or 4th round.

napsndreds
01-27-2010, 07:07 PM
We have taken enough QBs in the last several years. We are solid at #1 and #2. You don't draft a 3rd stringer in the 3rd or 4th round when you have the number of holes to fill the Dolphins have.

I would love them to cut White and move on but I don't see that happening. They'll give him another year to see what value, if any, they can get out of him. If they replace him as a 3rd stringer, they'll do it late round or waiver wire pick up, not in the 3rd or 4th round.

yeah but that is all true if we were a conventional offense..I think theres a reason we have one conventional qb and 2 qbs that can run an unconventional offense..do we need a 3rd? not really...Did we need Pat White?..maybe not..did we need a qb? yes... Does Bill Parcells like White ...yes...I think these guys are in the business of picking players we dont necessarily see fit here..Regardless if you like white or not its a depth issue. You get rid of any of our qbs we are short a man no pun intended...ina violent sport where it seems like injuries are envitable. Guys wanna get rid of White fine, so who do we pick up? I heard some guy said pick up a qb in the seveneth round...I dunno

napsndreds
01-27-2010, 07:08 PM
Didnt we have like 4 qbs competing the first year sparano came in?

napsndreds
01-27-2010, 07:09 PM
we dont have to necessarily use tebow as a qb...but i am not a fan of playing skilled position players in positions they never played.

Pinkboy
01-27-2010, 08:34 PM
The way TIm Tebow is practicing, maybe he will drop to the 3rd or even 4th and we can pick him up...There wont be any guilt with the pick at that point...you wouldnt take Tebow in the 3rd or 4th?

Absolutely not! He's garbage.

MP-Omnis
01-27-2010, 11:10 PM
I saw Tebow taking snaps at practice on ESPN. It was just awful. Awful.