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Big Red 1972
01-28-2010, 10:08 PM
Round 1 (12) - ILB Rolando McClain 6-4 256 Alabama (junior)
With this one pick our defense would improve drastically. Much like Patrick Willis, Jerod Mayo, James Laurinaitis, Rey Maualuga, or our own Zach Thomas, Rolando McClain would have an immediate impact. As fans we often have to be patient and wait for players to develop. Wouldn't it be nice to see immediate results for once?

Round 2 (43) - WR Arrelious Benn 6-2 220 Illinois (junior)
The reason we should not draft Dez Bryant in the 1st round is because there are so many great receivers coming out this year we should be able to nab one in the 2nd round. No less than eight junior wideouts have declared which pushes everybody back a few spots. If Benn is off the board then Brandon LaFell or Demaryius Thomas would be excellent options.

Round 3 (74) - NT Torrell Troup 6-2 310 UCF
We could go a lot of different ways in the 3rd round but nose tackle is our most pressing need after ILB, WR, and FS and I have a plan for the safety position. With Dan Williams and Mount Cody off the board Troup is the best option. Like McClain he would also start immediately unless Ferguson signs for one more year which would be fine. Troup could spend a year learning from one of the best and there are no guarantees Ferguson will make it through the entire season even if he does re-up.

Round 4 (~108) - OG John Jerry 6-5 332 Ole Miss
Peria Jerry's brother. He has been impressing people at the Senior Bowl and has the potential to beat out Smiley or Thomas for the starting gig. If Jerry is off the board Sergio Render would be an excellent pick.

Round 6 (~178 from Kansas City) - FS Myron Rolle 6-1 217 FSU
This is my plan for the safety position. Nobody is going to confuse Rolle with Ed Reed but he is a hell of a lot better than Gibril Wilson. Definitely smart enough to start day one.

Round 6 (~179 from Washington) - ILB Josh Hull 6-3 240 Penn State
Wouldn't be the most gifted athlete on the field but he has great instincts and he is a tackling machine.

Round 6 (~184) - RB Keith Toston 5-11 210 Oklahoma State
Ran a little bit of the Wildcat at Oklahoma State. Rushed for 1218 yards and 11 touchdowns his senior year. Tough kid who can run inside the tackles.

Round 7 (~214 from Kansas City) - QB Joe Webb 6-3 223 UAB
Actually rushed for more yards than Toston as well as Mark Ingram, Noel Devine, and Jonathan Dwyer. The problem with Webb is he doesn't really have a position in the NFL. Is he a QB or a wideout? As far as the Dolphins are concerned he could be a better Wildcat trigger man than Pat White. At the very least the selection of Webb would push White to get better.

Round 7 (~221) - C Kevin Matthews 6-4 310 Texas A&M
Bruce Matthews' son. You got to love the pedigree.

There you have it. I really believe that is how the 1st, 2nd, and 4th should play out. If we somehow luck out and sign Vince Wilfork as a free agent the 3rd round would be wide open. Maybe an outside linebacker like A.J. Edds, Brandon Lang, or Jermaine Cunningham.

D-Rock
01-28-2010, 10:22 PM
myron rolle is projected to go in the 2nd or 3rd round ... so no

Big Red 1972
01-28-2010, 10:30 PM
myron rolle is projected to go in the 2nd or 3rd round ... so no

Projected by who?

ChadHenne
01-28-2010, 11:13 PM
McClain is obvious. We all (for the most part) love him, and would love to see him in a Fins jersey.

However, I would pass on Benn in the 2nd, he doesn't seem to have the "it" factor I have seen in WR's in past drafts. The player who intrigues me in the later rounds is Briscoe out of Kansas, who will be there in the 3rd round. I'd like to pass on Benn, and take a NT like Cody if he falls to the 2nd round, or go safe with Graham or Witherspoon.

As for Myron Rolle, he isn't going to last until the 6th round. He is currently projected somewhere in the late 2nd to late 3rd. He's impressed a lot of scouts, and has gained some stock since he went to Oxford actually.

You also failed to address the OLB need (when Porter leaves), the TE need, and adding to the safety depth. Some of your picks such as Matthews and Jerry don't fit the team's needs, nor does Jerry seem like a great value pick in the 4th round. We should be looking at guys like Graham and Pitta, Edds, Ben Tate in that kind of area.

Just some of what I think. I've never been a huge fan of any kind of mock drafts or TRUE predicting until April. We'll have a better vision of what is to come by then.

j-off-her-doll
01-28-2010, 11:29 PM
Don't know who'd draft Rolle in the 2nd or 3rd, but I guess we should thank them . . . ? I personally wouldn't draft him until the 6th, but late 4th or early 5th seems about right.

And, just say NO to McClain.

hooshoops
01-28-2010, 11:50 PM
john jerry did damage with the pads on at senior bowl practices...showed also he can play guard or right tackle

worth pick #108??? i think so

myron rolle in the late 2nd or 3rd to me is too high...he's looked solid this week but i'd look elsewhere for a safety if i was taking one with either of those picks...

TedSlimmJr
01-29-2010, 12:03 AM
John Jerry is easily worth a 4th round pick....maybe higher...

This regime covets versatile lineman that can play multiple positions and Jerry can man the guard or tackle spot on the right side....you can basically pencil him in at RG from day one with this selection IMO...

Rolle is more of a SS that's better in the box and somewhat limited in coverage....how many of those guys are already on Miami's roster?

3rd round is the earliest I see Rolle coming off the board...

hooshoops
01-29-2010, 12:10 AM
how bout nate allen slimm??? looked good in coverage this week...good hips

TedSlimmJr
01-29-2010, 12:40 AM
Yeah he's got nice hips and he looks smooth....pretty decent ball skills too...

One of only a handfull that I like as a potential free safety in the NFL....I think he's probably best as a deep zone safety though...

I don't want any of these guys manned up on a WR in the NFL trying to turn and run down the field with them any more than I'd have to...outside of perhaps Berry and Earl Thomas...because they've proven they can do it.....but Allen could function here and there doing that IMO if I wanted to dial up certain blitz packages.....I think he's a decent prospect....maybe not a ton of upside though....pretty technically sound player though..

hooshoops
01-29-2010, 12:43 AM
well who do you like as a free safety for miami other than berry and earl thomas???

most these other guys like chancellor and asante are imo ss...and i'm not much of a fan of rolle just from what i remember of his college days...and you know i hate taylor mays...lol

maybe chad jones...whose played cb before

TedSlimmJr
01-29-2010, 12:53 AM
Still a long ways to go...I like Berry, Thomas, Allen, Chad Jones (could play either safety spot IMO), Morgan Burnette (could play either IMO), Robert Johnson, Robert Vaughn, Terrell Skinner, Dominique Harris, Dorian Porch as potential free safeties...

There's a handfull of other safeties that I've always liked (T.J. Ward, Asante, Reshad Jones, etc.) but they're all more SS prospects IMO....and Miami already has an All Star cast there..:lol:

Big Red 1972
01-29-2010, 04:00 PM
McClain is obvious. We all (for the most part) love him, and would love to see him in a Fins jersey.

However, I would pass on Benn in the 2nd, he doesn't seem to have the "it" factor I have seen in WR's in past drafts. The player who intrigues me in the later rounds is Briscoe out of Kansas, who will be there in the 3rd round. I'd like to pass on Benn, and take a NT like Cody if he falls to the 2nd round, or go safe with Graham or Witherspoon.

As for Myron Rolle, he isn't going to last until the 6th round. He is currently projected somewhere in the late 2nd to late 3rd. He's impressed a lot of scouts, and has gained some stock since he went to Oxford actually.

You also failed to address the OLB need (when Porter leaves), the TE need, and adding to the safety depth. Some of your picks such as Matthews and Jerry don't fit the team's needs, nor does Jerry seem like a great value pick in the 4th round. We should be looking at guys like Graham and Pitta, Edds, Ben Tate in that kind of area.

Just some of what I think. I've never been a huge fan of any kind of mock drafts or TRUE predicting until April. We'll have a better vision of what is to come by then.

I agree that Benn is a bit of a risk but he has a ton of potential. He could end up being the best receiver in this year's class. You just never know. Wideout is the hardest position to evaluate.

I like Briscoe a lot too. :up:

Cody, Graham, or Weatherspoon are all excellent options. However I suspect the best value in the 2nd round will be a wideout who slides because there are so many of them coming out this year. No less than eight juniors declared.

Myron Rolle currently has a 7th round grade from the Sports Xchange. His stock might rise after the Senior Bowl but he will run a slow forty at the Combine. That will lower his stock a little bit. Plus his game tape is not overly impressive. He is solid but not spectacular. Obviously he could go earlier than the 6th round but once you get beyond the 2nd round projections are iffy at best. I believe Rolle could be there at the top of the 6th.

Let's assume Joey Porter is not a Dolphin next year. I don't believe we have a great need at OLB if we re-sign Jason Taylor. JT and Cameron Wake could share snaps on the weak side and we would be all set at that position. It sounds like the triumvirate wants Philip Merling to lose weight and man the strong side. He could certainly set the edge. :lol:

I don't believe we have a great need at TE either. The Falcons signed Tony Gonzalez and where did it get them? Antonio Gates and Jason Witten did not lead the Chargers or the Cowboys to the Super Bowl. Fasano, Haynos, and Sperry are fine. An elite tight end is icing on the cake. Call me crazy but I also suspect that Kory Sperry could turn out to be special.

Myron Rolle would add to the safety depth. :up: In fact he would probably start ahead of Gibril Wilson.

Speaking of depth Matthews and Jerry fit into that category. If you are happy with Smiley, Grove, and Thomas that's fine. However I am not. I do not feel that we can count on Smiley and Grove to stay healthy for an entire season. Thomas split snaps with Garner.

I also like Jimmy Graham, Dennis Pitta, AJ Edds, and Ben Tate. Great minds think alike. :up: I would not be upset if we drafted any of them. However I do not feel that they are necessarily better than John Jerry or Sergio Render. Graham, Pitta, Edds, and Tate cannot play offensive guard if Smiley gets injured again.

Lastly I agree with you about mock drafts prior to April. I just got excited what with the Senior Bowl coming up on Saturday. :lol:

j-off-her-doll
01-29-2010, 04:27 PM
well who do you like as a free safety for miami other than berry and earl thomas???

most these other guys like chancellor and asante are imo ss...and i'm not much of a fan of rolle just from what i remember of his college days...and you know i hate taylor mays...lol

maybe chad jones...whose played cb before

Here's my thing:

While this draft is pretty deep with Safety talent, after Berry and Thomas there's a HUGE drop off - at least when discussing potential FS's. If Thomas were and inch or two taller and 10 lbs heavier, people would be debating whether he or Berry is the superior prospect. For our needs, I'm convinced that Thomas will do just as well as Berry. He's also better in man-to-man and - I think anyway - has even more range.

hooshoops
01-29-2010, 04:38 PM
i think people have a tendency to downplay just how good of an all around safety eric berry is...

i can't remember the last time i saw one with his talent and upside...more talented imo than sean taylor who people seem to love around here...

eric berry has phenomenal range...acceleration...ball skills...hands...cod...awareness...smarts...tackling skills

just because eric berry was asked to play closer to the los this year do not discount his range and the ground he can cover vs the passing game...

when he comes out and runs a 4.4 forty and lights the combine on fire the distance between eric berry and earl thomas will imo become pretty substantial...this is just a whole nother level talent imo...

nothing against earl thomas...i think he's a bonified top 20 worthy pick...but as an all around safety eric berry is lights out

PhinsTD
01-29-2010, 04:52 PM
Chris Cook out of Virginia is a pretty physical player, and has shown ab ability to defend the deep third. I wonder if he has the tackling skills to be a free safety, or is he strictly a boundary corner?

I've impressed with his size/speed and aggressive nature. Worried he's another Jason Allen type though (master of neither position).

OrlandoFin
01-29-2010, 04:52 PM
Rolle has had an outstanding Senior Bowl week and has come in looking better after a year off than he did coming right out of college. The buzz is he has pushed his draft status up into rounds 2-4 (at the very latest). I think you have Troupe too high. I like him, but not sure he's worth a 3rd round pick. I think he's there in the 4th and maybe even the 6th.

outlawd2u
01-29-2010, 04:53 PM
i think people have a tendency to downplay just how good of an all around safety eric berry is...

i can't remember the last time i saw one with his talent and upside...more talented imo than sean taylor who people seem to love around here...



No Way! Sean Taylor was insanely talented.

hooshoops
01-29-2010, 05:02 PM
No Way! Sean Taylor was insanely talented.

lol...here come the canes...

hooshoops
01-29-2010, 05:08 PM
Chris Cook out of Virginia is a pretty physical player, and has shown ab ability to defend the deep third. I wonder if he has the tackling skills to be a free safety, or is he strictly a boundary corner?

I've impressed with his size/speed and aggressive nature. Worried he's another Jason Allen type though (master of neither position).

that's a valid concern...he looked a lot better at the senior bowl than he ever looked to me watching him at uva...and i'm a season ticket holding uva fan....seen every game

but uva employed a lot of off ball coverage so i didn't get to see much press man which he excelled at this week...and i've also never seen him close on the ball like he did this week either...

i'd say he's an adequate tackler...more willing and better form than sean smith but not close to vontae davis...

long speed is a concern of mine as well...

j-off-her-doll
01-29-2010, 05:24 PM
i think people have a tendency to downplay just how good of an all around safety eric berry is...

i can't remember the last time i saw one with his talent and upside...more talented imo than sean taylor who people seem to love around here...

eric berry has phenomenal range...acceleration...ball skills...hands...cod...awareness...smarts...tackling skills

just because eric berry was asked to play closer to the los this year do not discount his range and the ground he can cover vs the passing game...

when he comes out and runs a 4.4 forty and lights the combine on fire the distance between eric berry and earl thomas will imo become pretty substantial...this is just a whole nother level talent imo...

nothing against earl thomas...i think he's a bonified top 20 worthy pick...but as an all around safety eric berry is lights out

Sean Taylor coming out of college rated higher than Ed Reed because he had the size to go with his other abilities. He appeared to be the better all around safety. There's no doubt as to who the better pro is. Ed Reed's specialized talents overcame his lack of size - that some might deem ideal for the safety position. Berry will have the ability to play SS or FS in the NFL. He's that type of special athlete. But, as a player in the system Nolan will implement, I see E. Thomas making all the plays you'd ask Berry to make - maybe even some that Berry might not. I think Thomas' range might be just a bit better. Also, don't knock Thomas as a tackler. He played SS for Texas, and I've seen him break up passes by smashing WR's - he's not all finesse.

hooshoops
01-29-2010, 05:40 PM
when earl thomas finally played an nfl style offense with nfl style rbs he was exposed as a tackler imo...

not to say he can't put on 5 more lbs and pack a bit more pop but's he's not close to the physical force that eric berry is...

and thomas does an awful lot of tackling diving into the legs...when he did wrap up in that bama game he was tossed off a lot

i think though that for a free safety prospect his tackling isn't much of an issue...just needs to get a little bigger and stronger...he's willing and he takes good angles and arrives in a hurry...3 things i think that are paramount...

downhill running teams are the norm in the nfl...

j-off-her-doll
01-29-2010, 05:47 PM
downhill running teams are the norm in the nfl...

Five years ago. It's more important that your FS be a coverage specialist. Also, we're fine against the run. Our run D was one of the very few areas where we actually excelled. We need someone to make plays in the passing game - especially with the attacking D that Nolan will bring. Ed Reed is not a great tackler. When people debate the NFL's best safety, Ed Reed's main knock is that he's not a "complete" safety - that he's not a good tackler. His ball skills more than make up for his deficiencies. Earl Thomas will be a decent tackler in the NFL - just like Ed Reed is only a decent tackler. He'll be an outstanding ball hawk.

hooshoops
01-29-2010, 05:53 PM
Five years ago. It's more important that your FS be a coverage specialist. Also, we're fine against the run. Our run D was one of the very few areas where we actually excelled. We need someone to make plays in the passing game - especially with the attacking D that Nolan will bring. Ed Reed is not a great tackler. When people debate the NFL's best safety, Ed Reed's main knock is that he's not a "complete" safety - that he's not a good tackler. His ball skills more than make up for his deficiencies. Earl Thomas will be a decent tackler in the NFL - just like Ed Reed is only a decent tackler. He'll be an outstanding ball hawk.

i disagree with the 5 years ago thing...sure the nfl is a passing league now but your free safety has to be willing in run support...he's the last line of defense a lot of times...

but i agree that we need a coverage safety BAD and earl thomas can cover a ton of ground and make plays on the ball

i don't know that i quite see ed reed level ball skills and anticipation in earl thomas either...

j-off-her-doll
01-29-2010, 06:06 PM
i disagree with the 5 years ago thing...sure the nfl is a passing league now but your free safety has to be willing in run support...he's the last line of defense a lot of times...

but i agree that we need a coverage safety BAD and earl thomas can cover a ton of ground and make plays on the ball

i don't know that i quite see ed reed level ball skills and anticipation in earl thomas either...

The Ed Reed comparison is pretty lofty. And, there's no way to know that he'll have that type of impact. But, Reed was the 24th pick in the draft. If he wasn't seen as slightly incomplete - and nowhere near as dynamic as he turned out - he wouldn't have lasted through the first 23 picks. I honestly see Thomas as a value pick at 12. If he were bigger - with his speed, quickness, production, and skill set - there's not way he'd make it out of the top 10. I see his size as a small hurdle.

hooshoops
01-29-2010, 06:15 PM
The Ed Reed comparison is pretty lofty. And, there's no way to know that he'll have that type of impact. But, Reed was the 24th pick in the draft. If he wasn't seen as slightly incomplete - and nowhere near as dynamic as he turned out - he wouldn't have lasted through the first 23 picks. I honestly see Thomas as a value pick at 12. If he were bigger - with his speed, quickness, production, and skill set - there's not way he'd make it out of the top 10. I see his size as a small hurdle.

i see eric berry as a more physical version of ed reed...

#1dolphinsfan
01-29-2010, 06:54 PM
myron rolle is projected to go in the 2nd or 3rd round ... so no
by who i am a fan of Myron Rolle but he isnt going to be a 2 or a 3rd round pick

TheBow305
01-29-2010, 08:38 PM
I'd prefer Cam Thomas in the 3rd or Troup if available. Troup can be had a little later on IMO.

But the first two picks are magnificent.

Big Red 1972
01-29-2010, 10:04 PM
Rolle has had an outstanding Senior Bowl week and has come in looking better after a year off than he did coming right out of college.

No he didn't. He was still in shape and looked impressive but he did not look better.


The buzz is he has pushed his draft status up into rounds 2-4 (at the very latest).

What happens when he runs a 4.6 forty at the Combine? His stock will drop.


I think you have Troupe too high. I like him, but not sure he's worth a 3rd round pick. I think he's there in the 4th and maybe even the 6th.

Maybe. Maybe not. A good nose tackle is hard to find. If Troup fits the bill he is more than worth a 3rd round pick.

TedSlimmJr
01-30-2010, 12:30 AM
There's a few things that have to be cleared up reguarding Sean Taylor and Ed Reed..

First, Ed Reed had the superior college career compared to Taylor.....Reed is the one that left with all the records....not Sean Taylor....Reed is the one that led the NCAA in interceptions 2 years in a row.....that my friends is a rare, rare feat...

Sean Taylor was a superior PROSPECT.....because of his rare size/speed combination and athletic ability for a 6-3, 230 pound football player...and he had better hips than Ed Reed...

For all the flack Taylor Mays catches (and rightly so) about his stiff hips.....Ed Reed's hips were just as stiff....this was one of the knocks on him.....stiff hips isn't what kills Taylor Mays in coverage....it's his lack of ball skills and improper angles....

Stiff hipped safeties make their living in the NFL by playing deep zone and reading quarterbacks...routes...etc....(Brian Dawkins, Reed, Ronnie Lott, etc.)...getting a jump and driving on the football....which requires instincts and dedication to film study....but you also must have ball skills when you arrive....this is what separates Reed....

Polamalu has some of the best hips a safety can have in the NFL...

Eric Berry is the best safety prospect I've probably ever seen...but he's far from a perfect prospect....the thing about Berry is that he can play all 4 positions in the secondary....he has the range, COD, burst, quickness, speed, instincts, and ball skills to be the best FS in the NFL....but he's also has the tackling fundamentals, strength, and just enough size to man the SS spot.....not to mention the hips of a cornerback to turn and run with TE's and/or WR's in man coverage...

He's played every position in Tennessee's secondary....and made All American at ALL of them....he was used more as an in-the-box safety in Monte Kiffin's defense and he's used to functioning in that aspect in the SEC where teams line up and run down hill at you.....as opposed to most of these conferences where teams spread you out and try to run sideways on you...

Earl Thomas has no peers when it comes to range, ball skills, COD, fluid hips, burst, closing speed, etc......not even Eric Berry.....he's just not as physical as Berry....yet....and is a "true" free safety that can also play cornerback....

Thomas can tackle plenty good enough to function at safety in the NFL and be there for many years....and he'll get a little bigger, stronger, and better as his body matures....

Using Trent Richardson and Mark Ingram to guage his tackling is a bit unfair.....you're talking about 2 rolling balls of butcher knives that nobody in the country wanted one-on-one...especially later in games....the two most physical and powerful runners in the country...

hooshoops
01-30-2010, 12:48 AM
Earl Thomas has no peers when it comes to range, ball skills, COD, fluid hips, burst, closing speed, etc......not even Eric Berry...

i disagree with this statement...i think thomas may be slightly better in pure coverage but i don't think he has better range, ball skills, cod, burst, or closing speed...

it's close imo but i'm taking berry...

TedSlimmJr
01-30-2010, 12:53 AM
i disagree with this statement...i think thomas may be slightly better in pure coverage but i don't think he has better range, ball skills, cod, burst, or closing speed...

it's close imo but i'm taking berry...


I do..

hooshoops
01-30-2010, 12:54 AM
I do..

i don't :lol:

OrlandoFin
01-30-2010, 02:30 PM
No he didn't. He was still in shape and looked impressive but he did not look better.



What happens when he runs a 4.6 forty at the Combine? His stock will drop.



Maybe. Maybe not. A good nose tackle is hard to find. If Troup fits the bill he is more than worth a 3rd round pick.

Actually he dropped 12 pounds from his weigt at FSU, if he runs a 4.6 then it might, and maye Troupe will, but I don't think so.