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Pinkboy
01-30-2010, 02:59 PM
Since the game is just 2 hours away I thought I'd start a game thread for it. Go ahead and talk about what and who you will be looking for in the game.

One thing I will be expecting is the North Defensive line to dominate the South Offensive line. The South O-line is kind of mediocre, and that North D-line is quite good. So look for the North to dominate in that area. Tebow and the South QB's could be running for their lives.

BTW I am watching the USA vs the World game now and that middle linebacker Mike Hull out of high school has better instincts than any ILB we have.

And that's not a joke, it's the truth. which makes it even more humorous.

:lol:

munchkin
01-30-2010, 03:16 PM
Ya, we need a serious upgrade at the ILB position. D. Washington from TCU would be nice. Looking forward to seeing him in todays game. Do you any links to watch the game online?

RealDriscoll
01-30-2010, 03:28 PM
I'll be here at 4 PM...

hooshoops
01-30-2010, 03:32 PM
unless we start looking at 226 lb lbs to play inside in the 3-4 daryl washington should not be someone to key on

baseballcb95
01-30-2010, 03:36 PM
Channel? im comcast in south florida.

Pinkboy
01-30-2010, 03:36 PM
NFL Network

I just saw Paul Soliai on the World sideline, standing with the players right behind their swedish head coach.

Maybe he knows some of those samoans on the world team. He was wearing a black shirt with a samoan flag on it. He looked like he was enjoying himself on the sideline.

hooshoops
01-30-2010, 03:37 PM
Channel? im comcast in south florida.

nfl network

munchkin
01-30-2010, 03:51 PM
Timmons weighs 234 and starts at ILB for the Steelers. Washington could add 10 pounds in the fins conditioning program. The dudes a good football player. I'm definitely gonna keep my eye on him today. he had great week and may have surpassed j.hughs as the top tcu linebacker.

hooshoops
01-30-2010, 04:07 PM
Timmons weighs 234 and starts at ILB for the Steelers. Washington could add 10 pounds in the fins conditioning program. The dudes a good football player. I'm definitely gonna keep my eye on him today. he had great week and may have surpassed j.hughs as the top tcu linebacker.

i see a better 4-3 fit for washington but to each his own...and i don't think for one second he's a better football player than jerry hughes...

Dogbone34
01-30-2010, 04:30 PM
too bad CJ Spiller isn't in this one

Dajesus
01-30-2010, 04:38 PM
UGH!!! I hate NFL network. As soon as this season and the NFL Sunday ticket ended I switched to Time Warner. I hate Direct TV's strangle hold on the NFL. I save like $100 month with TWC, but can not afford to miss this much football.

I hate how much coverage Tebow is getting. He is not a real prospect at QB, and played his last meaningful game when he lost to 'Bama. He was great and is a true class act, but I want the media to follow guys who might actually make in impact in April.

Has anyone seen anything on how Taylor Mays has been performing in practice? He has insane natural gifts, and is projected to play FS or ILB, as those are our two biggest needs he is a very interesting prospect to me.

baseballcb95
01-30-2010, 05:00 PM
UGH!!! I hate NFL network. As soon as this season and the NFL Sunday ticket ended I switched to Time Warner. I hate Direct TV's strangle hold on the NFL. I save like $100 month with TWC, but can not afford to miss this much football.

I hate how much coverage Tebow is getting. He is not a real prospect at QB, and played his last meaningful game when he lost to 'Bama. He was great and is a true class act, but I want the media to follow guys who might actually make in impact in April.

Has anyone seen anything on how Taylor Mays has been performing in practice? He has insane natural gifts, and is projected to play FS or ILB, as those are our two biggest needs he is a very interesting prospect to me.

ur mock :facepalm: major wright in the 2nd? AJ edds lasting till the 6th? Render that late? Ben tate in the 6th? here is a more realistic 1-4 rounds

Astrosback
01-30-2010, 05:06 PM
Psyched to watch Mt. Cody vs. Mike Iupati matchup right now.

SRM
01-30-2010, 05:10 PM
Damn for not having NFL Network..

Dogbone34
01-30-2010, 05:13 PM
i like weatherspoon

SR 7
01-30-2010, 05:14 PM
horrible tackling from the south.

Astrosback
01-30-2010, 05:18 PM
Mike Iupati is doing well against Dan Williams.

...Until this penalty.

Pinkboy
01-30-2010, 05:19 PM
horrible tackling from the south.
looks like the Dolphins D

we can't blame Pasqualoni here

hooshoops
01-30-2010, 05:23 PM
iupati better clean up his hand usage...great looking player but i think i've counted 3 plays already where a hold could have been called on him

tical
01-30-2010, 05:23 PM
early impressions so far..tebow cannot throw if he has to read defenses, he looks uncomfortable especially compared to pike.

taylor mays looks so much like gibril..he had a clear hit on the RB, came with blazing speed and just flat out didn't make a typical safety tackle, he didn't wrap-up or anything, just sorta missed.

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 05:24 PM
Missed tackle was Sharpton from UM. UM struggled with Miss Tackles all year. The other Missed tackled came from Mays being over agressive.

COphinphan89
01-30-2010, 05:25 PM
Mays sucks.

tical
01-30-2010, 05:26 PM
Missed tackle was Sharpton from UM. UM struggled with Miss Tackles all year. The other Missed tackled came from Mays being over agressive.

whenever i've watch this guy play, i just don't get the hype..he seems to take bad angles, miss tackles etc alot!

SR 7
01-30-2010, 05:26 PM
Mays is a bust if he goes top 20 or even top 30.

Tebow has a horrible slow weak arm.

Favorites so far Spoon, Graham.

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 05:26 PM
I love McCluster on KR he is not afraid of contact and I think is the answer to all our screens. Kid has not looked for the sideline once.

Pinkboy
01-30-2010, 05:27 PM
I love Weatherspoon. Now THAT's a middle linebacker

IronChef
01-30-2010, 05:27 PM
The South Team came out looking flat on their first drive on offense and defense. Kind of reminds me of a team led by Tony Sparano. Oh Wait........................

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 05:27 PM
Mays had the right angle he just led with his helmet straight for the ball and it did not pop out

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 05:28 PM
McCluaster looks like Johnson running and Harvin recieving. Awesome play call. Williams looking good

utahphinsfan
01-30-2010, 05:29 PM
Best QB wearing #15? Pike.

I'm impressed w/ Williams (WR from Tulane)

RobertHorry
01-30-2010, 05:29 PM
We are drafting Dexter McCLuster. Sparano talks about McCluster the exact same way he talks about Cobbs.

And we all know Cobbs is Sprarano's favorite player.

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 05:30 PM
Tebow looks bad, hope he can play FB or TE.

SR 7
01-30-2010, 05:31 PM
Sparano celebrating a fG once again...

bobw999
01-30-2010, 05:31 PM
And then you have TS getting pumped up about a field goal...lol definitely feels like we're watching a Dolphins game.

Pinkboy
01-30-2010, 05:31 PM
Tebow is such garbage in a conventional offense.

he's totally useless

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 05:31 PM
Thing is McCluster is looking like a second round pick. They have to do some serious work in FA to be able to spend the pick on McCluster. Cause we cannot be making luxury picks. Pat White remember.

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 05:33 PM
His team just scored even im pumped, cmon man

tical
01-30-2010, 05:33 PM
Tebow looks bad, hope he can play FB or TE.

not trying to bash him, but his throwing motions seems slow, not that authority you expect from an elite QB. I kept thinking at looks like the former qb for the jaguars out there

bobw999
01-30-2010, 05:33 PM
I'd like to see McCluster at WR. I think he could play that role well.

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 05:35 PM
I want to see McCluster on PR, I cannot take another year with Bess returning punts.

paulomac77
01-30-2010, 05:37 PM
McCluster had a pretty good week, and I assume he'll shine at the combine. Its gonna be very interesting seeing where he falls in april because of his size and the success of chris johnson this year who had similar concerns of size.

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 05:37 PM
Guys remember we face the Lions this year, This is good thing for the Fins to take a look at how they do things.

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 05:39 PM
Holding a no freaking call defitnetly feeling like a fins game.

bobw999
01-30-2010, 05:39 PM
Gilyard looks good too.

hooshoops
01-30-2010, 05:40 PM
Guys remember we face the Lions this year, This is good thing for the Fins to take a look at how they do things.

what??? lol

paulomac77
01-30-2010, 05:40 PM
Anyone think that Iupati could jump ahead of us at 12? We wouldnt take him but im hoping a few guys like him, bradford, clausson jump ahead of 12 so we get a better chance at McClain and bryant

Pinkboy
01-30-2010, 05:41 PM
The North has to dominate and be up by 2 TD's, then we have to come back only to lose it in the end, for it to be a Fins game.

bobw999
01-30-2010, 05:42 PM
Mike Nolan. :)

paulomac77
01-30-2010, 05:42 PM
Mike Nolan Sighting!!!

zodiak
01-30-2010, 05:42 PM
Tebow looks like he is thinking, not reacting.

Pinkboy
01-30-2010, 05:42 PM
ooh I liked seeing Nolan in the drills there.

Roman529
01-30-2010, 05:43 PM
Mike Nolan YESSSSSS I feel better already.

paulomac77
01-30-2010, 05:44 PM
These refs aren't joking around today, I thought this was an all star game?

Pinkboy
01-30-2010, 05:44 PM
And Nolan looks great wearing Dolphins gear

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 05:44 PM
Blunt looking awesome.

paulomac77
01-30-2010, 05:45 PM
Mike Mayoc is killing Iupati today.

bobw999
01-30-2010, 05:45 PM
The South looks overrated. Good.

COphinphan89
01-30-2010, 05:45 PM
Nice run by Blount.

Roman529
01-30-2010, 05:45 PM
Damn where was the D there???

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 05:46 PM
Is this a fashion contest.

paulomac77
01-30-2010, 05:47 PM
Corey Chavous is really good on TV, maybe one of the best ex player/commentators

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 05:48 PM
Wildcat!

Pinkboy
01-30-2010, 05:49 PM
My boy Cam Thomas getting good push from DT

bobw999
01-30-2010, 05:49 PM
Probably the best QB for the South up now.

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 05:49 PM
Great Throw!

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 05:50 PM
Looking like a good year for the runningback position.

Roman529
01-30-2010, 05:50 PM
Jarret Brown...better West Virginia QB then Pat White.

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 05:51 PM
Looked just like White on that throw.

bobw999
01-30-2010, 05:51 PM
Wow. Talk about a huge overthrow. Must be a WV curse.

bobw999
01-30-2010, 05:53 PM
Denied. Wow.

tical
01-30-2010, 05:53 PM
Tebow looks like he is thinking, not reacting.

actually watching florida games, he normally looks like that when he "has" to throw

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 05:53 PM
Dan Williams continues to impress. Guys Dolphins taking Tebow out so early tells alot.

COphinphan89
01-30-2010, 05:53 PM
Awful tackling.

bobw999
01-30-2010, 05:56 PM
Defense looks good now.

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 05:56 PM
Can I see McCluster return a punt, dammit.

Roman529
01-30-2010, 05:57 PM
Pike has some work to do before he is NFL ready. Dan Williams looking good. That could be our pick in round one.

Pinkboy
01-30-2010, 05:58 PM
Don't forget that Dan Williams is going against Beadles who is the worst O-lineman on both teams.. Beadles has been getting killed in practices and is seriously out of his league.

A few people who are there have said that Beadles just doesn't belong on the same field as those guys. And that's who Dan Williams was beating on that series.

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 05:58 PM
After Jason Allen & Eddie Moore Tennessee players scare the hell out of me.

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 05:59 PM
Ridiculous.

bobw999
01-30-2010, 05:59 PM
Oops. Definitely a WV thing...high snaps, high throws.

Troysif
01-30-2010, 05:59 PM
Well that was a horrible snap.

COphinphan89
01-30-2010, 06:00 PM
After Jason Allen & Eddie Moore Tennessee players scare the hell out of me.

Gibril Wilson too.

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 06:02 PM
Thanks for reminding of that piece of garbage. Look at Jared Mayo this year after having a good rookie season.

hooshoops
01-30-2010, 06:03 PM
greyboy, dan williams is a damn good player...better prospect on the nose than cam thomas

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 06:05 PM
The North has excellent talent.

Pinkboy
01-30-2010, 06:06 PM
1) Parcells loves Michigan players

2) Brandon Graham is a stud linebacker and has been dominating in practices, can rush the passer AND stop the run

3) we need linebackers desperately.

Conclusion - High chance Brandon Graham will be a Miami Dolphin

hooshoops
01-30-2010, 06:07 PM
brandon graham is a damn good player also...i disagree with mayock...he's a top 20 pick imo

Pinkboy
01-30-2010, 06:07 PM
greyboy, dan williams is a damn good player

I never said he wasn't a good player. I said the player he was going up against in that series.

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 06:07 PM
Mayock has been comparing him to Lamar Woodley all week

Phinstrodamus
01-30-2010, 06:08 PM
Brandon Graham wow!!!

SamIam
01-30-2010, 06:08 PM
we need to draft Brandon Graham

bobw999
01-30-2010, 06:08 PM
Morons shouting Tebow.

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 06:09 PM
Cody dominating.

SamIam
01-30-2010, 06:09 PM
I mean he can stop the run and rush the passer... what else do you want... really dont care about his short arms... give me Brandon Graham

Troysif
01-30-2010, 06:09 PM
Has Jimmy Grahm(sp? that doesnt look right) been in on any pays yet?

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 06:10 PM
Sheffield has recieved praise from Saparano. We know how Parcells loves those DE from Troy

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 06:11 PM
Roberts making plays all week. His size hurts him though

COphinphan89
01-30-2010, 06:12 PM
Brandon Graham's stock is soaring.

Pinkboy
01-30-2010, 06:12 PM
I like the #55 wearing the Michigan helmet much more than the #55 wearing the Dolphins helmet this year.

Pinkboy
01-30-2010, 06:13 PM
Weatherspoon., lol.. Now that's a middle linebacker in coverage.

When have we seen any of our ILB's running in coverage like that and knocking a ball away like that? lol

tical
01-30-2010, 06:14 PM
1) Parcells loves Michigan players

2) Brandon Graham is a stud linebacker and has been dominating in practices, can rush the passer AND stop the run

3) we need linebackers desperately.

Conclusion - High chance Brandon Graham will be a Miami Dolphin

Damn Graham and Weatherspoon lookin good!

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 06:14 PM
Witherspoon & Grahams are playing amazing football.

SamIam
01-30-2010, 06:15 PM
Great coverage by spoon on the fastest player on the field

hooshoops
01-30-2010, 06:15 PM
spoon is money in coverage and when he has clean looks...just not a guy who gets thru traffic and off blocks all that well at the 2nd level...

thus imo a 4-3 backer

MP-Omnis
01-30-2010, 06:15 PM
Graham is beastin.

Pinkboy
01-30-2010, 06:17 PM
"And with the twelfth pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Miami Dolphins select...

Brandon Graham, University of Michigan"

- Roger Goodell

SR 7
01-30-2010, 06:18 PM
spoon is money in coverage and when he has clean looks...just not a guy who gets thru traffic and off blocks all that well at the 2nd level...

thus imo a 4-3 backer

He just said himself...scouts gms etc or whatvere said he is a possible MIke in a 3-4 and a WOLB in a 4-3.

Give me Spoon, Graham, Thomas at 12.

SamIam
01-30-2010, 06:18 PM
spoon is money in coverage and when he has clean looks...just not a guy who gets thru traffic and off blocks all that well at the 2nd level...

thus imo a 4-3 backer

I think he can play 3/4 hooshoops.. I really do

hooshoops
01-30-2010, 06:18 PM
eric norwood has been beaten in coverage all week and it continues here today...

Astrosback
01-30-2010, 06:19 PM
Brandon Graham stock just went to mid 1st or better.

Weatherspoon looks great in coverage.

Dan Williams is looking active.

And I know his stock was down from weigh-ins but Mt. Cody is the real deal 3-4 NT who can eat up two blockers.

utahphinsfan
01-30-2010, 06:19 PM
"And with the twelfth pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Miami Dolphins select...

Brandon Graham, University of Michigan"

- Roger Goodell

I like it. He and Weatherspoon have really impressed me.

Pinkboy
01-30-2010, 06:19 PM
Forget "like" Woodley.. Woodley may want to be as good as Graham once Graham gets his feet wet in the NFL.

This Graham guy has been dominating all week. He's been just Unblockable.

He's been making offensive linemen look like fools every day all week, and now into the game.

hooshoops
01-30-2010, 06:19 PM
I think he can play 3/4 hooshoops.. I really do

probably can...but more effective in a 4-3...you got to take on blockers and shed in a 3-4...that's not his forte imo

he needs to run free and close with that quick acceleration and the guy can cover...

SR 7
01-30-2010, 06:20 PM
I think he can play 3/4 hooshoops.. I really do

There was nothing that WIllis did coming out thast any diff than Spoon.
Both are extremely fast, hard hitters, sideline to sideline guys, and good in coverage.

Willis I think was just at 241 lbs coming out which some said he was not that big for a 3-4.

McClain and Spoon can play in any scheme but think they will excel in a 3-4 Mike.

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 06:20 PM
Spoon is already everything Crowder is not, including a leader.

hooshoops
01-30-2010, 06:21 PM
He just said himself...scouts gms etc or whatvere said he is a possible MIke in a 3-4 and a WOLB in a 4-3.

Give me Spoon, Graham, Thomas at 12.

i don't care what he said...you think he's gonna limit himself as a draft pick to only 4-3 teams??? lol...hell no he's not

but i think he'll be a much better player in a 4-3

Dogbone34
01-30-2010, 06:21 PM
spoon plays like a leader

hooshoops
01-30-2010, 06:21 PM
There was nothing that WIllis did coming out thast any diff than Spoon.
Both are extremely fast, hard hitters, sideline to sideline guys, and good in coverage.

Willis I think was just at 241 lbs coming out which some said he was not that big for a 3-4.

McClain and Spoon can play in any scheme but think they will excel in a 3-4 Mike.

baloney...

SamIam
01-30-2010, 06:21 PM
I have always liked Brandon Graham .. everytime I watched a mich game, he is making plays all over the field...

Ronnieisabeast
01-30-2010, 06:21 PM
Sean Weatherspoon and Brandon Graham are two players that I believe we will be looking at near draft time for the 12 spot, but people aren't really projecting us to take this very moment are playing very well. Weatherspoon seems like more of a playmaker than McClain and Spikes. Graham is stout against the run and is explosive pass rusher. Watch their stock rise toward April 22.

DKphin
01-30-2010, 06:22 PM
Forget "like" Woodley.. Woodley may want to be as good as Graham once Graham gets his feet wet in the NFL.

This Graham guy has been dominating all week. He's been just Unblockable.

He's been making offensive linemen look like fools every day all week, and now into the game.:up:

Pinkboy
01-30-2010, 06:23 PM
Everyone who had Graham as a 2nd rounder in their mocks can start changing it now.

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 06:23 PM
Blunt is first round talent.

WaxOn WaxOff
01-30-2010, 06:25 PM
Graham's sack was exactly the toughest thing in the world. That OT looked pretty average. I'm sure he'll be a good one, though.

Pinkboy
01-30-2010, 06:25 PM
Iupati = Fantastic run blocker and mediocre pass blocker.

He holds all the time in pass pro because his feet are behind his body and not underneath him. Atkins killed him on that sack there.. St Thomas Aquinas boy.

hooshoops
01-30-2010, 06:25 PM
blount...1st round talent??? lol

bobw999
01-30-2010, 06:26 PM
Taylor Mays sighting.

SamIam
01-30-2010, 06:26 PM
Nice INT by Mays

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 06:26 PM
Mays awesome pick. First good thing all week from him.

WaxOn WaxOff
01-30-2010, 06:26 PM
Taylor Mays, BAYBEE!!!! <- Jests

Troysif
01-30-2010, 06:27 PM
A Safety who can catch?

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 06:27 PM
Williams kid is a playmaker.

WaxOn WaxOff
01-30-2010, 06:28 PM
They are rolling away from Graham every time.

WaxOn WaxOff
01-30-2010, 06:29 PM
Holding on the OT against Graham not called.

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 06:29 PM
Cooper makes his first catch of the week, Just kidding. The way he has been dropping balls I was worried.

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 06:31 PM
Who kept praising Peek. Hit was not needed.

Roman529
01-30-2010, 06:31 PM
Isn't Riley Cooper, Gators WR, going to play baseball (MLB)???

bobw999
01-30-2010, 06:31 PM
Cooper makes his first catch of the week, Just kidding. The way he has been dropping balls I was worried.

The one drop earlier was thrown by Tebow....just saying.

hooshoops
01-30-2010, 06:32 PM
graham has been matched up with selvish capers and ciron black...he should kill them if he's a legit pass rusher...

Pinkboy
01-30-2010, 06:32 PM
They are rolling away from Graham every time.

Yes, the Dolphins coaches know how good he is, so they play "keep away from Graham"

That's good news by the way

They've noticed. ;)

RealDriscoll
01-30-2010, 06:32 PM
Wow to Dan Williams, Sean Weatherspoon, and Brandon Graham

ChadHenne
01-30-2010, 06:33 PM
Brandon Graham, Dan Williams, and even Jeremy Williams have really been the guys who have stood out in my eyes thus far.

RealDriscoll
01-30-2010, 06:33 PM
Dan Williams HAS to be a real possibility at @ #12 after this.. Boomer was right on about Weatherspoon; Dude's a baller.

Taylor Mays' INT probably keeps him in Round 1

ChadHenne
01-30-2010, 06:34 PM
Isn't Riley Cooper, Gators WR, going to play baseball (MLB)???

No, he actually said he is playing football over baseball.

RealDriscoll
01-30-2010, 06:34 PM
Jeremy Williams looked good but his injury history could haunt him for us.

RealDriscoll
01-30-2010, 06:35 PM
DEEP Wide Receiver class. Dez Bryant, Arrelious Benn, Golden Tate, Marshawn Gilyard, Riley Cooper, Demaryius Thomas, Brandon LaFell, Danario Alexander, Jeremy Williams, Taylor Price

ChadHenne
01-30-2010, 06:35 PM
And no, Williams still isn't a guy I want a #12. If we for some reason trade down (if Bryant and McClain are gone), and we move into the latter portions of the first round, then I'd seriously consider drafting him, but I think there will be better talent available when we pick than D.Will.

ChadHenne
01-30-2010, 06:36 PM
DEEP Wide Receiver class. Dez Bryant, Arrelious Benn, Golden Tate, Marshawn Gilyard, Riley Cooper, Demaryius Thomas, Brandon LaFell, Danario Alexander, Jeremy Williams, Taylor Price

Deep on good receivers. Seems like there is only one clear cut #1 NFL WR in this class compared to last year.

RealDriscoll
01-30-2010, 06:36 PM
I haven't been as impressed with Kyle Wilson as most.

SamIam
01-30-2010, 06:37 PM
We need to get Spoon and Graham

RealDriscoll
01-30-2010, 06:37 PM
You have to consider Williams at #12. I like Dez, McClain, Spiller, and Earl Thomas better as well but Dan Williams is the best Nose Tackle in this draft. Vince Wilfork to Miami is nothing more than a Pipe Dream for someone who listens to Frank Zappa; Paul Soliai is a rotation player; Watch games on him and see how gased he gets.

zodiak
01-30-2010, 06:38 PM
I know this isnt popular, but not impressed with Brandon Graham, short..shorter arms....mybe a 4-3 end( sorta like D.Freeney) but as a OLB mmm dont like him.

maybe its me but havent been impressed with anyone to this point, some of the WR's have done ok, but to me its been more of a lack of play from the DB's, wish we could see more of Jimmy Graham(6-6 not 6-8)

tical
01-30-2010, 06:38 PM
honestly if riley cooper is around say the 4th round i wouldn't mind taking him, yes he drops balls, but that guy gets past people alot!

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 06:38 PM
I want Weatherspoon or Graham the way those two have played. Really like what I have seen from Jeremy Williams, Dexter McCluster has shown real nice burst.

RealDriscoll
01-30-2010, 06:38 PM
Unfortantly Graham and Spoon both played their ways into the 1st Round.

ChadHenne
01-30-2010, 06:39 PM
I haven't been as impressed with Kyle Wilson as most.

Kyle Wilson had just as much impact on that INT as Mays had. Wilson's tight coverage forced the throw to be at a certain spot orelse Wilson would've knocked it away, giving Mays the opportunity to see the QB's eyes and get a jump on the ball.

Patrick Robinson has been the guy who dissapointed me the most. I wasn't great at FSU, but I thought he would be a lot better in coverage this game. He's WAY too soft, he's giving the WR's around 5-7 yards cushion on every play.

RealDriscoll
01-30-2010, 06:39 PM
Riley's gone in Round 3

hooshoops
01-30-2010, 06:39 PM
dan williams is top 20 talent...as is brandon graham...

the taylor mays int that ball was SEVERELY late arriving...weak thing to get excited about if you ask me...

in this game you see any of these lbs having to take on blockers at the 2nd level??? i don't...they're running free to the ball...

exactly what spoon excels at imo...

watch some tape of him taking on and getting off blocks and i think you'll see a better 4-3 fit

RealDriscoll
01-30-2010, 06:40 PM
Luckily we addressed Cornerback last season.

RealDriscoll
01-30-2010, 06:41 PM
Not excited about the Mays INT; But a guy who has the perfect combination and size to be a great Strong Safety and his one knack was lack of play-making ability. Well he just made the play

SamIam
01-30-2010, 06:41 PM
Unfortantly Graham and Spoon both played their ways into the 1st Round.

Spoon was never out of the 1st round.

flynryan15
01-30-2010, 06:41 PM
DEEP Wide Receiver class. Dez Bryant, Arrelious Benn, Golden Tate, Marshawn Gilyard, Riley Cooper, Demaryius Thomas, Brandon LaFell, Danario Alexander, Jeremy Williams, Taylor Price

If we got him in the 3rd I would do back flips! This kid is the next Desaun Jackson, he has a little thinker frame too, but he plays with wreck less abandon in the return game like Jackson. This is what we need and out of the slot he could be dangerous!

RealDriscoll
01-30-2010, 06:41 PM
Spoon would be a fine Mike in our defense

RealDriscoll
01-30-2010, 06:42 PM
I want Gilyard in Round 2

hooshoops
01-30-2010, 06:42 PM
Spoon would be a fine Mike in our defense

no he wouldn't...i'd take brandon spikes for our defense before i'd take spoon

X-Pacolypse
01-30-2010, 06:43 PM
Tebow sucks.

RealDriscoll
01-30-2010, 06:43 PM
hoo,

Why not? I just saw the guy run down the field in coverage with McCluster; The guy is a tackling machine; natural born leader;

flynryan15
01-30-2010, 06:44 PM
Not excited about the Mays INT; But a guy who has the perfect combination and size to be a great Strong Safety and his one knack was lack of play-making ability. Well he just made the play

Notice how Mayes patrolled the goal line which had him in position to make the int? Then look on the next drive how the other safety got 5 yards deep in the endzone and gave up the TD. VERY smart football play by Mayes, showed good instincts :up:

Pinkboy
01-30-2010, 06:45 PM
Yeah, Spoon is definitely a 4-3 guy. He looks so small in the middle standing behind the linemen. Really tiny.

I love him and all, but you know Parcells and his size requirements. You gotta have bigger ILB's in a 3-4 to take on the interior offensive linemen from time to time.

Lord Of Miami
01-30-2010, 06:46 PM
hoo,

Why not? I just saw the guy run down the field in coverage with McCluster; The guy is a tackling machine; natural born leader;

Because a Mike in a 3-4 spends 1/2 the game fighting with the other teams oline................that's why.

And spoon doesn't have the size to do that, and you'd be taking his away speed also if you put him there.

flynryan15
01-30-2010, 06:46 PM
I want Gilyard in Round 2

I think that would depend on what we do in the first, but I am betting Gilyard really turns heads in the combine!

RealDriscoll
01-30-2010, 06:47 PM
In terms of #12 pick here is how I view it...

Tier 1
*Dez Bryant-WR-Oklahoma State
*CJ Spiller-RB-Clemson
*Rolando McClain-ILB-Alabama
*Earl Thomas-FS-Texas

Tier 2
*Dan Williams-NT-Tennesse
*Jared ODrick-DT/DE-Penn State
*Sean Weatherspoon-ILB-Missouri
*Brandon Graham-OLB-Michigan

hooshoops
01-30-2010, 06:47 PM
hoo,

Why not? I just saw the guy run down the field in coverage with McCluster; The guy is a tackling machine; natural born leader;

i told you guys...i've seen his conference games against weak offenses that don't run a lot downhill and when he gets engaged at the 2nd level he struggles to get off...and that's in what i would consider a soft conference with soft running games...

this game is playing right to his strengths...nobody to impede him to the ball...in a 3-4 he's got to engage and get off blockers and sift thru trash...i don't think he does any of those things that well...

that guy needs to fly to the ball and have clean looks...he's money when he does

can he play 3-4 sure but he's a better player in a 4-3...and we run a 3-4

RealDriscoll
01-30-2010, 06:48 PM
Oh yeah that 1st half just showed how Weatherspoon is a terrible tacker and afraid of mixing it up with Offensive Linemen.... I guess I am watching the wrong game

hooshoops
01-30-2010, 06:48 PM
Because a Mike in a 3-4 spends 1/2 the game fighting with the other teams oline................that's why.

And spoon doesn't have the size to do that, and you'd be taking away speed also if you put him there.

yep...and he doesn't fare all that well when i've seen guys get to him...

RealDriscoll
01-30-2010, 06:49 PM
You just answered my point. He CAN play in a 3-4.

RealDriscoll
01-30-2010, 06:50 PM
I'm very intrigued to hear why you think Rolando McClain is better than Weatherspoon

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 06:50 PM
ILB is a huge need for us, bigger the OLB or NT. I think Weatherspoon could be our guy. Soliai played good not great, but good. We have Wake, Anderson & possibly JT returning. We need an ILB big time, cause Ayodele & Crowder were horrible.

ChadHenne
01-30-2010, 06:51 PM
In terms of #12 pick here is how I view it...

Tier 1
*Dez Bryant-WR-Oklahoma State
*CJ Spiller-RB-Clemson
*Rolando McClain-ILB-Alabama
*Earl Thomas-FS-Texas

Tier 2
*Dan Williams-NT-Tennesse
*Jared ODrick-DT/DE-Penn State
*Sean Weatherspoon-ILB-Missouri
*Brandon Graham-OLB-Michigan

I say

Tier 1 (in specific order)
Rolando McClain
Dez Bryant
Earl Thomas
C.J Spiller (if we trade into the 20s imo)

Tier 2
Dan Williams
Terrence Cody (still a huge presence)
Brandon Graham
Sean Weatherspoon
Jerry Hughes


Any of the second Tier would be if we trade down. I don't see any of those guys falling into the 2nd round (except maybe Hughes).

hooshoops
01-30-2010, 06:51 PM
if i thought he could be a great 3-4 ilb fit and impact player there i'd be all over it...guys a heck of a player

he's gonna be a great player for some 4-3 team...unless a 3-4 team takes him and i think he'll be average...if i was him i'd want to go to a 4-3 team BAD

hooshoops
01-30-2010, 06:52 PM
You just answered my point. He CAN play in a 3-4.

yeah but don't you want the guy to play in the system that best fits his talents??? i do

RealDriscoll
01-30-2010, 06:53 PM
If CJ Spiller is around at pick #20 I'd trade anyone on our team besides Jake Long to get him there. Best offensive player in this draft by a mile

Pinkboy
01-30-2010, 06:53 PM
Weatherspoon is just like Jonathan Vilma.

Vilma wasn't that good in the 3-4 as he was too small and couldn't take on blockers, then he went to New Orleans and became a terrific sideline to sideline 4-3 linebacker. And leader.

Weatherspoon is another Vilma.

Exact same guy.

ChadHenne
01-30-2010, 06:53 PM
If CJ Spiller is around at pick #20 I'd trade anyone on our team besides Jake Long to get him there. Best offensive player in this draft by a mile

Most explosive does not equal best. There's a big difference.

RealDriscoll
01-30-2010, 06:53 PM
I want the best football players I can get. If you draft players to fit a system than you miss on good players. If you had the first pick in this draft would you take Ndamukong Suh? He is better suited for a 4-3 defense

Clipse
01-30-2010, 06:54 PM
What a tackle

RealDriscoll
01-30-2010, 06:54 PM
Why not ChadHenne? He is the most explosive and he runs well between the tackle. He is the biggest play-maker in the draft. Chris Johnson 2.0. Would Chris Johnson be a top 10 pick in this draft?

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 06:55 PM
Williams really helped on tht play.

hooshoops
01-30-2010, 06:55 PM
dan williams is KILLING it today!!!

RealDriscoll
01-30-2010, 06:55 PM
I am interested to see who you guys do like. You shoot down every player. I'll take CJ Spiller over any back in the NFL besides Peterson, Chris Johnson,and Maurice Jones-Drew

Lord Of Miami
01-30-2010, 06:56 PM
You just answered my point. He CAN play in a 3-4.

I never said he can't , you just wouldn't want him as a "Mike " in a 3-4.

The other ILB, the weak ILB is more of the cover guy in a 3-4..........I think he could play that, but his best fit would be a ILB in a 4-3.

RealDriscoll
01-30-2010, 06:56 PM
Dan Williams would be a GREAT pick at #12. He is dominating the whole interior of the North's line

SamIam
01-30-2010, 06:56 PM
Graham with another great play.... wow

RealDriscoll
01-30-2010, 06:56 PM
NOTE TO EVERYONE HERE.. Paul Soliai and Akin Ayodele start on our defense

Roman529
01-30-2010, 06:56 PM
Graham and Spoon....wow!!!!

hooshoops
01-30-2010, 06:57 PM
andre roberts catches everything

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 06:58 PM
Graham again. This guy is amazing.

Clipse
01-30-2010, 06:58 PM
Just got home, how's Jimmy Graham doing? And Brandon Graham is earning him some points today...

flynryan15
01-30-2010, 06:58 PM
I tell you what this Dakota Watson kid had my attention the entire Gator Bowl! He made big play for loss after big play for loss, and that penetration and speed he showed on that tackle was great! I just don't know how we can use him, but spending a mid round pick (3rd-4th) on him would be sweet

RealDriscoll
01-30-2010, 06:58 PM
Brandon Graham's arms are too short to be an OLB in OUR system right? Best player on the field today

Pinkboy
01-30-2010, 06:58 PM
Brandon Graham's arms are too short to be an OLB in OUR system right? Best player on the field today

They said the same thing about Woodley's short arms and short height.. And look at him in a 3-4 defense under Lebeau

If you can play you can play.

Hell, James Harrison is only 6 feet tall. Graham is bigger than Harrison. He's taller and weighs 12 pounds more.

You wouldn't take Harrison and Woodley as your OLB's in a 3-4 defense ?

Come again ?

Roman529
01-30-2010, 06:59 PM
Graham again....Good Lord....so long Joey Porter.

hooshoops
01-30-2010, 06:59 PM
i already had brandon graham in consideration for pick #12...today just reinforces it for me...

dan williams needs to be on that list also...

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 06:59 PM
Roberts is Bess, Welker, Royal type player.

SamIam
01-30-2010, 06:59 PM
Graham with a sack and fumble

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 07:01 PM
Were does squares under Lefevours pitts.

flynryan15
01-30-2010, 07:03 PM
Arenas is amazing with punt returns!

Clipse
01-30-2010, 07:03 PM
I love Javier Arenas. Too bad he's a 2nd rounder.

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 07:03 PM
Roth had the shortest arms in the world and look how good he was for us last year. He went to the browns and continues to suceed.

hooshoops
01-30-2010, 07:05 PM
the other thing we all got to keep in mind is most the premier draft talent isn't even at this game...

some of them would be dominating this game also...

but brandon graham against ciron black who has no business as a left tackle is a joke...and capers hasn't impressed me either but he's got better feet than black...who i think is a rt or guard

Pinkboy
01-30-2010, 07:05 PM
Watch Denver take Graham now and we have to settle for McClain.

lol

Clipse
01-30-2010, 07:06 PM
Watch Denver take Graham now and we have to settle for McClain.

lol
Hardly a bad thing :up:

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 07:06 PM
Tebow continues to ride the bench

flynryan15
01-30-2010, 07:06 PM
I think some people get to caught up on these talking heads talking about 40 times, measurements, or in current NFL players age. If you mute the TV and just watch them play would you even notice his reach? Look at how they produce and make impact plays. Forget measurements!

Clipse
01-30-2010, 07:06 PM
So, any updates on Jimmy Graham? Didn't see the first half.

Pinkboy
01-30-2010, 07:07 PM
I think some people get to caught up on these talking heads talking about 40 times, measurements, or in current NFL players age. If you mute the TV and just watch them play would you even notice his reach? Look at how they produce and make impact plays. Forget measurements!

I agree , look at Zach Thomas' career.

Short arms, short altogether. He was slow.

But a damn fine linebacker.

And again, Harrison and Woodley are 6'1 and 6'0.. And Graham is 6'1 and weighs more than both of them.

Clipse
01-30-2010, 07:08 PM
My boy Cam Thomas!

hooshoops
01-30-2010, 07:08 PM
mike johnson beaten by cam thomas just drove him straight back...nice

and mike johnsons no slouch

Pinkboy
01-30-2010, 07:08 PM
My boy Cam Thomas kicking arse again.

I love that guy. Too bad he won;t be there in the 3rd.

bobw999
01-30-2010, 07:08 PM
Morons shouting Tebow again. Guess he will fix the OLine problems.

Clipse
01-30-2010, 07:09 PM
I agree , look at Zach Thomas' career.

Short arms, short altogether. He was slow.

But a damn fine linebacker.

And again, Harrison and Woodley are 6'1 and 6'0.. And Graham is 6'1 and weighs more than both of them.
Great instincts and smarts will do that for ya. A lot of why I like McClain so much.

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 07:09 PM
Houston looking good.

WaxOn WaxOff
01-30-2010, 07:10 PM
You guys liking Jacoby Ford any better?

flynryan15
01-30-2010, 07:11 PM
I agree , look at Zach Thomas' career.

Short arms, short altogether. He was slow.

But a damn fine linebacker.

And again, Harrison and Woodley are 6'1 and 6'0.. And Graham is 6'1 and weighs more than both of them.

Not to mention guys with shorter arms tend to be stronger, look at all the power lifters. They are always closer to their core which is where the power is.

Clipse
01-30-2010, 07:12 PM
Garret Graham, Brandon Graham, Jimmy Graham. Very good class of Graham's.

Pinkboy
01-30-2010, 07:12 PM
And Dumerville is 5"11 as a 3-4 OLB.. It didn;t hurt him leading the NFL in sacks.

Plus Dumerville is not even 10% as good as Graham is against the run.

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 07:12 PM
Blount is sick.

baseballcb95
01-30-2010, 07:13 PM
so 2nd round is basically out of the question for him?

flynryan15
01-30-2010, 07:13 PM
You guys liking Jacoby Ford any better?

Jacoby Ford reminds me of Jacoby Jones in Houston and that is a good thing! :up:

LaGaret Blunt is a friggin beast!

Clipse
01-30-2010, 07:13 PM
WHat round you think Blount is going to go in? I wouldn't mind taking a chance on him in the later rounds, Runs with a lot of power.

hooshoops
01-30-2010, 07:13 PM
didn't dumervil have extremely long arms??? like tackle arms though

hooshoops
01-30-2010, 07:15 PM
WHat round you think Blount is going to go in? I wouldn't mind taking a chance on him in the later rounds, Runs with a lot of power.

he doesn't offer much in the pass game...doesn't look like all that great in pass pro...just a straight downhill guy who doesn't imo display a 2nd gear

i wouldn't use a pick until after #108 on him...i can say that

i'd rather have ben tate with a late pick

flynryan15
01-30-2010, 07:16 PM
WHat round you think Blount is going to go in? I wouldn't mind taking a chance on him in the later rounds, Runs with a lot of power.

Man that is a tough question! If he didn't sucker punch that kid I could see him in the late first. I could see the Pats take a risk on him, it will be a team that is well established in the passing game needing a back. Not to mention that team needs a strong locker room and leadership to guide him.

hooshoops
01-30-2010, 07:17 PM
mccluster hasn't done a whole lot but he's aguy you scheme into your gameplan to get mismatches etc anyways so i didn't expect him to light the world on fire today

Roman529
01-30-2010, 07:18 PM
Houston looking good.

Lamarr Houston was actually a high school running back here in Colorado Springs....he was around 260 back then. :ohno:

RealDriscoll
01-30-2010, 07:18 PM
Grey,

Not good at picking up on sarcasm?

COphinphan89
01-30-2010, 07:19 PM
Lamarr Houston was actually a high school running back here in Colorado Springs....he was around 260 back then. :ohno:

Yup. I remember having a couple of friends who went to Doherty at the time he was there who were raving just about that guy.

flynryan15
01-30-2010, 07:19 PM
didn't dumervil have extremely long arms??? like tackle arms though

I am not trying to be rude, but I don't care if this guy has short stubby arms like T-REx. He is running around dominating this game and making impact plays! We need that on defense! Give me him or McClain, still sign Dansby, Rolle and Wilfork!

RealDriscoll
01-30-2010, 07:19 PM
Ben tate is a 4th/5th Rounder. Blount is probably a 6th

Pinkboy
01-30-2010, 07:19 PM
I guess Sparano threw in the towel because Tebow is back in

FinAtic8480
01-30-2010, 07:20 PM
that is not good for McCluster

COphinphan89
01-30-2010, 07:20 PM
Yikes. McCluster****.

Pinkboy
01-30-2010, 07:20 PM
Asante would make a good strong safety.

Don;t see him as a FS after studying him more. And nice job knocking the ball out of McCluster there. Solid Solid hit.

RealDriscoll
01-30-2010, 07:21 PM
Free Agency is going to suck this year. This CBA business is not good for football

bobw999
01-30-2010, 07:21 PM
Finally holding call.

paulomac77
01-30-2010, 07:22 PM
That takes McCluster to day 3 IMO. Spiller would have been fun to watch

RealDriscoll
01-30-2010, 07:22 PM
The talent on the defensive side of the ball is far superior to that on the offensive side of the ball in terms of talent in this years' draft class. Especially when you look at the Senior class.

flynryan15
01-30-2010, 07:23 PM
Gilyard is just GOOD! He took over the Pit game!

Pinkboy
01-30-2010, 07:23 PM
Everyone predicted that Lefevour would greatly outplay Tebow in this game.

They were right.

Tebow looks lost and Lefevour is very much in control. Poised and calm with superior mechanics.

hooshoops
01-30-2010, 07:23 PM
Ben tate is a 4th/5th Rounder. Blount is probably a 6th

i would agree with that