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Dajesus
01-30-2010, 07:14 PM
If you did not think about the Dolphins biggest need what college player would you most like to see as a Dolphin? It is hard for me to not say McClain because ILB is such a need, and he could be the heart and soul of our defense for a long time. My final answer though would be CJ Spiler. We really need to fix the defense, but I love this guy. His ability to hit a home run every time he touches the ball is very apealing. I also love how he is a dangerous RB, WR, and KR. This guy has Marshal Faulk written all over him. Our offense lacks speed, except Ginn who is most likely done in Miami, and big play ability. I would love to have a three headed monster with Brown, Williams, and Spiller. Hopefully we can sign Rolle and Dansby, so if Spiller does slip to us we could pull the trigger. If McClain and Spiller are both available I would probably curse if we did not take McClain due to how bad our defense was, but I realy like Spiller as well.

How about you guys? Is there a player you would love to see in aqua, orange, and white, but know we have bigger fish to fry?

52CANES
01-30-2010, 08:47 PM
Not really any that we could get at 12.

baseballcb95
01-30-2010, 08:53 PM
not at 12 neccesairly but mike iupati, carlos dunlap, Jimmy Clausen, Joe Haden, any of the top 4 OT's...

Clipse
01-30-2010, 09:51 PM
If we're forgetting about need, then CJ Spiller.

munchkin
01-30-2010, 10:47 PM
If need is not an issue then K.Wilson CB Boise St, that dude is a football player straight up. Orlando Scandrick(from BSU) was not half the player Wilson is(they played together so it was easy to compare the two) and Scandrick(5th rounder) almost beat out M.Jenkins(1st rd) for the cowboys. Wilson is a fantastic KR and played some Free Safety. He had a great week of practice during the senior bowl and would be a great addition to our team.

ChadHenne
01-30-2010, 10:51 PM
You don't ignore need when there are going to be great players at "need" positions who will be available for us to choose when we pick at #12. This isn't the year to grab one. Next year will be the year to grab a RB early with Ronnie maybe going to free agency and Ricky retiring.

SRM
01-30-2010, 11:00 PM
You don't ignore need when there are going to be great players at "need" positions who will be available for us to choose when we pick at #12. This isn't the year to grab one. Next year will be the year to grab a RB early with Ronnie maybe going to free agency and Ricky retiring.

If you read the original post, it's saying in a world where we don't think about need, who would you take?

ChadHenne
01-30-2010, 11:02 PM
reading is for p*ssies

in a perfect world, I'd still chooses either Dez Bryant or Rolando McClain.

j-off-her-doll
01-31-2010, 12:18 AM
When people discuss how a team will draft they usually envision it as a combination of position of need and BPA, but most people don't see how they player might fit in with a particular system. The 3-4 we run this year will be much different than the one we ran last year (one of the reason's I'm not high on McClain for Miami).

To answer the question, though, it'd be Spiller or Berry.

Morey161
01-31-2010, 12:22 AM
damn you suck man spiller is a luxury pick for a team that can't afford that we did it last year with Pat White. Now I understand that CJ Spiller is a much better prospect but he wouldn't really make that big of a difference with this team. RB is the easiest position to fill. I would rather get a NT, ILB, FS, WR, TE anything along those lines. Also, your 2nd round pick of Major Wright is awful. The kid can't cover a lick.

Clipse
01-31-2010, 12:48 AM
damn you suck man spiller is a luxury pick for a team that can't afford that we did it last year with Pat White. Now I understand that CJ Spiller is a much better prospect but he wouldn't really make that big of a difference with this team. RB is the easiest position to fill. I would rather get a NT, ILB, FS, WR, TE anything along those lines. Also, your 2nd round pick of Major Wright is awful. The kid can't cover a lick.
Some people need to gain some reading comprehension skills before posting.

Awsi Dooger
01-31-2010, 02:00 AM
I would take Sam Bradford, no question. I'm always going to gamble on the upside at the most vital position. Clausen is too line drive prone with fewer ways to create the ideal play for the situation. Last play against Purdue he wings it 100 MPH and succeeds, last play against USC he wings it 100 MPH on the same play and wasn't even close.

Bradford had 9.2 YPPA as a freshman, 9.8 YPPA as a sophomore. That's freakish territory and it comes with a quick release, good decision making, catchable ball and more than enough arm strength.

Somewhat obscure, but I also like that he's a scratch golfer. That's incredibly difficult to achieve and requires strength, touch, smarts and patience. Many of the best NFL QBs have been top notch golfers.

CW_McGraw
01-31-2010, 02:25 AM
I would take Sam Bradford, no question. I'm always going to gamble on the upside at the most vital position. Clausen is too line drive prone with fewer ways to create the ideal play for the situation. Last play against Purdue he wings it 100 MPH and succeeds, last play against USC he wings it 100 MPH on the same play and wasn't even close.

Bradford had 9.2 YPPA as a freshman, 9.8 YPPA as a sophomore. That's freakish territory and it comes with a quick release, good decision making, catchable ball and more than enough arm strength.

Somewhat obscure, but I also like that he's a scratch golfer. That's incredibly difficult to achieve and requires strength, touch, smarts and patience. Many of the best NFL QBs have been top notch golfers.

If we're just gonna talk the first round QB prospects, I'd say Clausen is better. I'm never comfortable drafting a guy coming off of a shoulder injury. That kind of stuff is just death for most QBs. Chad Pennington's the only guy that I can think of who really overcame shoulder problems and became a good NFL QB. Aside from his injury history, he also played with elite NFL talent for much of his career. Half of his starting offensive line from 2008 is in the NFL. Gresham's a first rounder. Juaqiun Iglesias is playing on Sundays. Demarco Murray is an NFL caliber RB. Then, he played largely from the shotgun. Clausen's hardly a perfect prospect, but I trust good QBs on bad teams more than I trust good QBs on great teams.

miami71
01-31-2010, 10:00 AM
Spiller is the #1 overall prospect in my book. He would do more for this team as far as impact than any other prospect. You guys need to watch this guy on film and quit talking out your a$$. I like Ronnie but it is time to move on. The guy stays hurt, has no break away ability, and could not crack his starting lineup in college. Look at Spillers stats! The guy should have won the Heisman!

TedSlimmJr
01-31-2010, 10:21 AM
Bob Stoops quarterbacks have never translated to the NFL.....Bradford's numbers are too skewed by the system that is designed to prop up quarterbacks...

His frame is still a little too frail to withstand the pounding in college once his offensive line wasn't as good....much less in the NFL...

Bradford is the guy that will break this trend of Stoops quarterbacks having to go out and get real jobs....but it won't be immediate.....Bradford needs time...

His touch is delicate and his accuracy is uncanny.....hits a moving target as well as any QB I've seen come out of college recently....even when that target is further down the field than you think...

But he has to start from the beginning too....taking snaps from under center....dropping back....hitching...going through progressions....etc.....any time you see a quarterback constantly in the shotgun and looking back to the sidelines every play to get directions (which is all of these spread quarterbacks nowdays)...you automatically know you've got problems transitioning to the NFL...

Jimmy Clausen was the guy I said I'd take over all these guys before the season even started despite how popular it was to trash him at the time.....he's got everything he needs to make a very good NFL quarterback once he matures a little bit and realizes his **** really does stink...

TedSlimmJr
01-31-2010, 10:26 AM
Spiller is the #1 overall prospect in my book. He would do more for this team as far as impact than any other prospect. You guys need to watch this guy on film and quit talking out your a$$. I like Ronnie but it is time to move on. The guy stays hurt, has no break away ability, and could not crack his starting lineup in college. Look at Spillers stats! The guy should have won the Heisman!


Complete failure of a post...

Spiller wasn't winning any starting tailback jobs at Clemson either....until James Davis moved on...

Ronnie was splitting carries with a back at Auburn that was a helluva lot better than the one Spiller was splitting carries with...

Look at Mark Ingram's stats! That's WHY he won the Heisman!

SF Dolphin Fan
01-31-2010, 01:01 PM
If you did not think about the Dolphins biggest need what college player would you most like to see as a Dolphin? It is hard for me to not say McClain because ILB is such a need, and he could be the heart and soul of our defense for a long time. My final answer though would be CJ Spiler. We really need to fix the defense, but I love this guy. His ability to hit a home run every time he touches the ball is very apealing. I also love how he is a dangerous RB, WR, and KR. This guy has Marshal Faulk written all over him. Our offense lacks speed, except Ginn who is most likely done in Miami, and big play ability. I would love to have a three headed monster with Brown, Williams, and Spiller. Hopefully we can sign Rolle and Dansby, so if Spiller does slip to us we could pull the trigger. If McClain and Spiller are both available I would probably curse if we did not take McClain due to how bad our defense was, but I realy like Spiller as well.

How about you guys? Is there a player you would love to see in aqua, orange, and white, but know we have bigger fish to fry?

Yeah, I think Spiller has superstar written all over him. And it's not just his speed, but his field vision is remarkable, he catches as well as any of the wide receivers and, like you said, he can affect a game in so many ways. But, I'll put something else out there -- isn't a dynamic playmaker a need for this offense? Don't forget also that the Dolphins were said to be very interested in Percy Harvin last year. Spiller is a much better prospect IMO.

miami71
01-31-2010, 03:08 PM
Complete failure of a post...

Spiller wasn't winning any starting tailback jobs at Clemson either....until James Davis moved on...

Ronnie was splitting carries with a back at Auburn that was a helluva lot better than the one Spiller was splitting carries with...

Look at Mark Ingram's stats! That's WHY he won the Heisman!
Spiller was carrying the load by himself this year! He basically won about 5 games on his own pretty much. Ronnie split carries? Yeah! Cadillac carried the ball about 75% of the time! Cadillac made of glass Williams! Ronnie couldn't crack the starting line up his senior year. Face it! We drafted him on his combine numbers. Spiller will be the biggest impact player in the draft!

Pinkboy
01-31-2010, 03:16 PM
I really like Spiller myself.

I wish we had two first round picks and two 2nd round picks with all the players I want.

I'm greedy.

TedSlimmJr
01-31-2010, 03:29 PM
Spiller was carrying the load by himself this year! He basically won about 5 games on his own pretty much. Ronnie split carries? Yeah! Cadillac carried the ball about 75% of the time! Cadillac made of glass Williams! Ronnie couldn't crack the starting line up his senior year. Face it! We drafted him on his combine numbers. Spiller will be the biggest impact player in the draft!


75% is stretching it son......as a Bama guy.....I KNOW which back I dreaded to face more...and it wasn't Cadillac....our defense was always talking about how banged up they were after facing Ronnie...

Ronnie was the more powerful back and more versatile....better pass catcher...better pass protector....and when he's virtually 15 pounds heavier than his counterpart and runs better at the combine....it makes sense to take the better back first.....Caddy injury history was also something that had to be considered....

If Spiller was at Auburn with Caddy or Caddy was at Clemson with Spiller....you can bet your *** he would've been stuck behind Caddy too......he couldn't even beat out James "molasses" Davis....

Spiller is a dynamic weapon.....but he's complementary player....

Lord Of Miami
01-31-2010, 03:55 PM
Best

Dajesus
01-31-2010, 06:01 PM
damn you suck man spiller is a luxury pick for a team that can't afford that we did it last year with Pat White. Now I understand that CJ Spiller is a much better prospect but he wouldn't really make that big of a difference with this team. RB is the easiest position to fill. I would rather get a NT, ILB, FS, WR, TE anything along those lines. Also, your 2nd round pick of Major Wright is awful. The kid can't cover a lick.

Why do you hate the English language so much?

Mock drafts before the combine., and the start of free agency, are as accurate as your understanding of the written word.

Morey161
01-31-2010, 11:23 PM
Why do you hate the English language so much?

Mock drafts before the combine., and the start of free agency, are as accurate as your understanding of the written word.


Sorry did not know this was a grammar class. Not here to write correctly all the time. I personally don't give a sh*t. The fact remains Major Wright can't cover sh*t. Neither can Taylor Mays. Don't want either one of those guys. The safety from Texas and of course Berry who won't be around. As for Spiller the guy is great not denying that but still don't need a RB and taking RB's high is f*cking stupid. It's the easiest position to find players and this regime likes power backs and as much as I LOVE spiller he is not that at all. There are bigger problems than RB on this team.

DaytonaDolFan13
02-01-2010, 10:15 AM
Spiller

DaytonaDolFan13
02-01-2010, 10:33 AM
:hitit:

Kdawg954
02-01-2010, 11:01 AM
Yea can't lie, if we didn't look at need, I would definitely look at CJ Spiller. He IMO is a better returner than Ginn, tho we still need to improve our blocking on returns. He gives us a Chris Johnson type of RB, who can be a change of pace guy. However if we drafted him, we would have to dump Cobbs.