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j-off-her-doll
02-02-2010, 11:55 AM
Key FA signing first:

1. A. Rolle
2. A. Bryant

Draft:

1. C. J. Spiller
(trade Ronnie Brown for a mid to low 2nd RD pick)
2 (MIA). B. Spikes
2 (SD or someone). J. Worilds or A. Coleman
3. M. Johnson
4. C. Thomas, B. Robinson, or T. Troup
6. L. Blount
6. E. Dickson
7. OG
7. OG

. . .

I had been coveting E. Thomas, but if A. Rolle is a realistic signing, I think he'll be a good fit. The more I watch Spiller, the more I think he's one of the 3 best players in the draft and belongs with Suh and Berry. He runs inside with great vision and leverage, and he's constantly looking to turn the ball up field. Despite his unique talents, he's not a dancer - though, he can dance - like R. Bush. Also, drafting him clears up room to trade R. Brown. I think he's still worth a 2nd, but even if we can only get a 3rd, I like the first three rounds of players a lot.

I've been saying for a while now that Spikes is a better fit than McClain for Miami. His draft position and price are bonuses.

Worilds and Coleman have both impressed me a great deal. As much as I love B. Graham (and I really do think he's a 10+ sack player), I'm also really loving these two prospects. They might not be as dominate as Graham in some aspects, but they might be better at setting the edge at SSOLB. Of the two, I'm leaning toward Coleman, but we have a couple months to go, and I'd be happy with either.

M. Johnson has the athletic ability to compete for a starting spot at ILB, and this is the position I think we should draft twice this time around. I was also looking at SSOLB twice, but with Merling's impending move, I decided against it.

C. Thomas probably won't be there in the 4th, but stranger things have happened. Realistically, it's between B. Robinson and T. Troup, and I think either can compete with PS for the starting spot.

Blount might fall to the 6th because of his incident, but he's a powerful rusher, and he's fast going north and south. With Ricky getting older and wanting less and less of the field, Hilliard sucking, and Cobbs coming back from injury, I think Blount can find a home in our backfield. And, he'd be a much more impressive "thunder" than L. White.

Dickson looks great running and catching the ball, and he has decent size. He might not last until the 6th, but I've seen mocks with him in the 7th, so it's hard to say.

3rdandinches
02-02-2010, 12:59 PM
I've been on the defense, defense and more defense bandwagon for a while but I really am lately liking the idea of Spiller in our backfield. Adding A.Bryant, CJ.Spiller and hopefully a TE would do wonders for our offense. We still have plenty of opportunities to fix the defense through the draft.

I think G.Wilson gets another shot at playing FS and if he struggles then Clemons steps in and Wilson can still get cut in an uncapped season.

R.Brown probably stays to split with Spiller, we can let R.Williams go or see if Minnesota would want him for a 5th/6th to split with AP. If we're gonna draft a power back like BLount then I could get behind trading R.Brown, I hate giving RB's that 2nd contract rarely ever do they live up to it. Dumping R.Brown 5mil, R.Williams saves 4mil+, J.Porter 4.8mil, R.Torbor 4mil, W.Allen 5.2mil .... that's almost 20mil we could use on FA.

I like your mock and moves, I'd want to add another OLB aswell.

I'd love to get Spikes and Johnson for ILB

#1dolphinsfan
02-02-2010, 01:43 PM
sorry to say Ed Dickson wont be there in the 6th round. really the only thing i would change about your mock is not trading ronnie brown and not getting clemson's CJ spiller i would love to get L. Blount in the 6th round if he is still there is going to be a heck of an NFL running back he even might go before the 6th round

JT-forpresident
02-02-2010, 01:54 PM
legarrett blount in round 6 ?!

1- i think he'll leave wayyyy before that
and
2- his attitude will be a big no-no IMO for this regime...

Morey161
02-02-2010, 04:13 PM
Would love to get blount....Kid would be nasty

Astrosback
02-02-2010, 11:24 PM
I've been on the defense, defense and more defense bandwagon for a while but I really am lately liking the idea of Spiller in our backfield. Adding A.Bryant, CJ.Spiller and hopefully a TE would do wonders for our offense. We still have plenty of opportunities to fix the defense through the draft.

I think G.Wilson gets another shot at playing FS and if he struggles then Clemons steps in and Wilson can still get cut in an uncapped season.

R.Brown probably stays to split with Spiller, we can let R.Williams go or see if Minnesota would want him for a 5th/6th to split with AP. If we're gonna draft a power back like BLount then I could get behind trading R.Brown, I hate giving RB's that 2nd contract rarely ever do they live up to it. Dumping R.Brown 5mil, R.Williams saves 4mil+, J.Porter 4.8mil, R.Torbor 4mil, W.Allen 5.2mil .... that's almost 20mil we could use on FA.

I like your mock and moves, I'd want to add another OLB aswell.

I'd love to get Spikes and Johnson for ILB

Is Ricky's contract really that big? I didn't think so. Anyway, I'd dump Porter, Torbor and trade Ronnie but Will Allen could be nice to have if he returned healthy. Vontae and especially Sean Smith looked a little shaky. I'd feel better if we also had Will Allen to help out.

hooshoops
02-02-2010, 11:34 PM
i'd say round 6 for blount is where i'd put his value for us...given we have no 5th rounder...definitely not top 4 rounds for me...

but i don't see much as a back in pass pro or as a receiver out of the backfield...or much wiggle with the rock...looks like a straight downhill nothing sudden kind of guy to me...no real burst...

i think dickson given how much separation he generated at the senior bowl and upside he has is a 4th round value

I am Bane
02-02-2010, 11:41 PM
didn't you already do this... or someone else did... and people commented... and jsut today i commented how BLEH and not good this was???

13_dolfan_13
02-03-2010, 12:34 AM
honestly do you really want legarett blount? even with a sixth the kid is a thug!
and i still say if mcclain is still there grab him and spikes in the second

1.McClain BAMA
2.Spikes Florida
3.Toupe central florida
4. Pitta BYU
5.rob Johnson UTAH

j-off-her-doll
02-03-2010, 12:37 AM
didn't you already do this... or someone else did... and people commented... and jsut today i commented how BLEH and not good this was???

I posted this before the mock you're speaking of. Life is in the details, little guy.

I'll address a few of the points you made, though - since they're appropriate here.

Our running game isn't great. It was good when Ronnie Brown was healthy. As I'm sure you know, he has a difficult time staying healthy, so I'm not counting on him being healthy for any considerable stretch of time. Also, even if he doesn't spend time on IR, he likely won't be back at 100% next season. Let's for a second, though, say that he's healthy and 100% next season: our running game still lacks the big play. Spiller is a threat to go the distance any time he touches the ball. He gets the tough yards inside, but he's also explosive, and he's a weapon in the passing game. On top of that, he's the best offensive player in the draft, and for my money, he's right up there with Suh and Berry as far as talents. So, you're trading out an aging, injury-prone RB for a young, explosive RB.

Also, B. Spikes is a more adept penetrating ILB than McClain. McClain is more of a read and react ILB - as I mention in the initial post.

I'd be happy to read more of your ill-informed opinions on why this is "BLEH".

j-off-her-doll
02-03-2010, 12:43 AM
i'd say round 6 for blount is where i'd put his value for us...given we have no 5th rounder...definitely not top 4 rounds for me...

but i don't see much as a back in pass pro or as a receiver out of the backfield...or much wiggle with the rock...looks like a straight downhill nothing sudden kind of guy to me...no real burst...

i think dickson given how much separation he generated at the senior bowl and upside he has is a 4th round value

I agree with pretty much all of this. I do think, though, that Blount shows some speed going North and South - especially for his size. He looks considerably faster than Hilliard.

I'd probably put a 4th round grade on Dickson, too, but I haven't seen him graded that high in most of the mocks I've viewed (not speaking of the ones posted here).

j-off-her-doll
02-03-2010, 12:48 AM
honestly do you really want legarett blount? even with a sixth the kid is a thug!
and i still say if mcclain is still there grab him and spikes in the second

1.McClain BAMA
2.Spikes Florida
3.Toupe central florida
4. Pitta BYU
5.rob Johnson UTAH

In the 6th, I'd absolutely take Blount. I haven't seen anything beyond his "worst night ever" that makes me think he's a thug. Since that night, he's done all the right things - as far as I can tell. And, he'd be a great compliment to Spiller.

I don't think McClain's a great fit for our system. I mean, if he had a 2nd or 3rd RD grade, I'd say absolutely draft him, but I just don't see the value at pick 12. I obviously like Spikes in the 2nd. I think that one of the 2nd tier NT's that I mentioned will fall to the 4th, so I'd wait on that. I haven't seen enough of Pitta to rightly judge him. Will get to him, though. And, I haven't liked what I've seen from Johnson. But, unless you have us signing a Safety and an OLB, I don't think you've properly addressed the positions.

Clipse
02-03-2010, 12:54 AM
No thanks. I'll take McClain and McCluster any day of the week and twice on sundays over Spiller and Spikes. Ronnie won't be traded obviously.

j-off-her-doll
02-03-2010, 01:05 AM
No thanks. I'll take McClain and McCluster any day of the week and twice on sundays over Spiller and Spikes. Ronnie won't be traded obviously.

Spikes is a better fit for our system, and Spiller is obviously a much better talent than McCluster - not even close.

state06
02-03-2010, 01:06 AM
No thanks. I'll take McClain and McCluster any day of the week and twice on sundays over Spiller and Spikes. Ronnie won't be traded obviously.

that could be a good forum debate.

Clipse
02-03-2010, 01:09 AM
Spikes is a better fit for our system, and Spiller is obviously a much better talent than McCluster - not even close.
Really? Spikes is a better fit for our system? Please explain that to me because I'm interested to know. And Spiller is obviously a better talent, not even close. Go ahead and explain that to me as well, both are scat backs with very similar skillsets. Only thing Spiller has over McCluster, in terms of not being close is return ability.

And Brown isn't going to get traded, not going to happen, getting a scat back with the 12th overall pick with all the needs on this team would be stupid, very stupid.

I am Bane
02-03-2010, 01:11 AM
i cannot argue Brown and his injury prone self, but with him healthy we thrive, same as williams, and Lex has shown he canpossibly become capable.... oh and Cobbs back, i am a happy person!!!

where we may of struggled more is within the middle of the line, in which we once again struggled with injuries and a mixture of G's and C's... never fully consistant, but yes, i did not mind whom we had!!!

McClain is much better than Spikes (harder worker and cares more of)... coaches stated the love... Spikes also is more speed and less strength, does not shed as quick.... i would rather have a read and react ILB, that shed faster and take great persue angles to the ball.... that is McClain (but yes, i am looking more into him as of now, as well)




I posted this before the mock you're speaking of. Life is in the details, little guy.

I'll address a few of the points you made, though - since they're appropriate here.

Our running game isn't great. It was good when Ronnie Brown was healthy. As I'm sure you know, he has a difficult time staying healthy, so I'm not counting on him being healthy for any considerable stretch of time. Also, even if he doesn't spend time on IR, he likely won't be back at 100% next season. Let's for a second, though, say that he's healthy and 100% next season: our running game still lacks the big play. Spiller is a threat to go the distance any time he touches the ball. He gets the tough yards inside, but he's also explosive, and he's a weapon in the passing game. On top of that, he's the best offensive player in the draft, and for my money, he's right up there with Suh and Berry as far as talents. So, you're trading out an aging, injury-prone RB for a young, explosive RB.

Also, B. Spikes is a more adept penetrating ILB than McClain. McClain is more of a read and react ILB - as I mention in the initial post.

I'd be happy to read more of your ill-informed opinions on why this is "BLEH".

j-off-her-doll
02-03-2010, 01:21 AM
Really? Spikes is a better fit for our system? Please explain that to me because I'm interested to know. And Spiller is obviously a better talent, not even close. Go ahead and explain that to me as well, both are scat backs with very similar skillsets. Only thing Spiller has over McCluster, in terms of not being close is return ability.

And Brown isn't going to get traded, not going to happen, getting a scat back with the 12th overall pick with all the needs on this team would be stupid, very stupid.

Don't think you've actually watched much tape on Spiller. If you were to compare them to NFL RB's, you'd compare McCluster to D. Sproles. Quck back that will make people miss in open space; not really a feature back that can consistently run in inside. Spiller compares more to C. Johnson. He can run it inside and break tackles - runs very hard - but he's lightning. When he makes his man miss in the hole, he's gone. Spiller also has a good 30 lbs on McCluster, and I think he's a better receiver. I haven't seen a single draft board that doesn't have Spiller as the top-rated RB, which is extremely rare for a back under 200 lbs. R. Bush is the only other example I can think of, but the two don't compare. Again, Spiller is money between the tackles.

Nolan will need LB's to blitz effectively. From everything I've seen, Spikes is a much better blitzing LB, and I think he's at least as good in pass coverage. McClain is bigger and likely stronger, but Spikes plays faster (no idea how they'll time) and quicker. We're implementing an attacking D, so we'll want player that can excel in that mode. I think Spikes is much better suited.

j-off-her-doll
02-03-2010, 01:23 AM
i cannot argue Brown and his injury prone self, but with him healthy we thrive, same as williams, and Lex has shown he canpossibly become capable.... oh and Cobbs back, i am a happy person!!!

where we may of struggled more is within the middle of the line, in which we once again struggled with injuries and a mixture of G's and C's... never fully consistant, but yes, i did not mind whom we had!!!

McClain is much better than Spikes (harder worker and cares more of)... coaches stated the love... Spikes also is more speed and less strength, does not shed as quick.... i would rather have a read and react ILB, that shed faster and take great persue angles to the ball.... that is McClain (but yes, i am looking more into him as of now, as well)

Williams was fine being the feature back for all of two weeks after Brown went down. After that, not so much. And, I haven't been impressed at all by Hilliard. I think he's decent.

state06
02-03-2010, 01:31 AM
Really? Spikes is a better fit for our system? Please explain that to me because I'm interested to know. And Spiller is obviously a better talent, not even close. Go ahead and explain that to me as well, both are scat backs with very similar skillsets. Only thing Spiller has over McCluster, in terms of not being close is return ability.

And Brown isn't going to get traded, not going to happen, getting a scat back with the 12th overall pick with all the needs on this team would be stupid, very stupid.

Geez. You can disagree with someone but dont be so quick to jump all over him. i agree that McClain is better than Spikes but just because spillers greatest asset is speed doesnt make him a scat back, that is unless you consider Chris Johnson a scat back as well. watch some highlights of him and you'll see he has the make up of being a very good back in the NFL, hits the hole fast, presses the hole, good vision, very good hands out of the backfield and downfield, etc.

the more i see of him the more i like him, and the more i dont know who we should go for if available at 12 (McClain,Dez, Spiller, Or trade). i like McCluster alot also but i think there will be good value left in rd 2 for us at LB. IF McCluster is there in rd 3 i jump all over him

j-off-her-doll
02-03-2010, 01:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFcecMcS6bA

Does that look like a "scat" back to you?

I also forgot to mention that he's the best receiver at RB that I can remember seeing since M. Faulk.

Clipse
02-03-2010, 01:44 AM
Don't think you've actually watched much tape on Spiller. If you were to compare them to NFL RB's, you'd compare McCluster to D. Sproles. Quck back that will make people miss in open space; not really a feature back that can consistently run in inside. Spiller compares more to C. Johnson. He can run it inside and break tackles - runs very hard - but he's lightning. When he makes his man miss in the hole, he's gone. Spiller also has a good 30 lbs on McCluster, and I think he's a better receiver. I haven't seen a single draft board that doesn't have Spiller as the top-rated RB, which is extremely rare for a back under 200 lbs. R. Bush is the only other example I can think of, but the two don't compare. Again, Spiller is money between the tackles.

Nolan will need LB's to blitz effectively. From everything I've seen, Spikes is a much better blitzing LB, and I think he's at least as good in pass coverage. McClain is bigger and likely stronger, but Spikes plays faster (no idea how they'll time) and quicker. We're implementing an attacking D, so we'll want player that can excel in that mode. I think Spikes is much better suited.
While I agree with everything you say about Spiller, the problem is, this team has too many holes to fill. Obviously defense is the problem with this team, so adding a RB, when RB is one of our strongest positions will be a setback. I just can't see Brown being traded. Our offense was rolling before he went down, even set a franchise record for consecutive games with 30+ points, so the loss of Brown became very obvious how much we need him.

McClain is far superior to Spikes as a 3-4 prospect imo. Not only is McClain bigger and stronger than Spikes, I wouldn't be surprised if he ran faster at the combine either. Not to mention McClain is superior to Spikes when it comes to smarts, instincts to leadership. People keep saying how Spikes is so superior to McClain as far as blitzing goes, and while I agree that Spikes is a better blitzer, it isn't by as much as people try to make it out to be. McClain has more career sacks than Spikes as well, only by 1, but still. To be an effective ILB in the 3-4, block shedding is very important, and McClain is much better in that aspect. I also don't agree with Spikes playing faster than McClain either. People just don't seem to realize how good McClain is at running. Seems like they just assume because of his size, he's slow, which is wrong.

As for McCluster, he's more of a Darren Sproles type I agree. But I also don't think Spiller is going to be Chris Jonhson either. I just don't like the idea of drafting a scat back in the 1st round, especially when we need to be filling needs, which RB isn't. Personally, I'm leaning more towards Brandon Graham at #12, and Rejus Benn or Demaryius Thomas at #43, with a Micah Johnson or Sean Lee in rounds 3-4. Of course all this is irrelevent because who knows what happens in FA where getting a Karlos Dansby could eliminate the need for an ILB in the 1st altogether, while losing Porter could make drafting an OLB in the 1st more important.

I am Bane
02-03-2010, 01:45 AM
agreed... but where was our inside OL... injured and in dissaray once again... that does not help.

Ricky was taking a more of only guy role, which does not help.... and to add the wildcat completely changed, instead of putting Lex where Ricky was, where i think he could of done well, and Ricky where Ronnie was... we changed it all up, motion and all.... i wasn't overly happy on that.

we got guys, we got talent, we jst need health at RB as well as OL... especially inside... IUPOTI?????




Williams was fine being the feature back for all of two weeks after Brown went down. After that, not so much. And, I haven't been impressed at all by Hilliard. I think he's decent.

Clipse
02-03-2010, 01:49 AM
Geez. You can disagree with someone but dont be so quick to jump all over him. i agree that McClain is better than Spikes but just because spillers greatest asset is speed doesnt make him a scat back, that is unless you consider Chris Johnson a scat back as well. watch some highlights of him and you'll see he has the make up of being a very good back in the NFL, hits the hole fast, presses the hole, good vision, very good hands out of the backfield and downfield, etc.

the more i see of him the more i like him, and the more i dont know who we should go for if available at 12 (McClain,Dez, Spiller, Or trade). i like McCluster alot also but i think there will be good value left in rd 2 for us at LB. IF McCluster is there in rd 3 i jump all over him
Wasn't jumping on anybody, Was just curious as to why Spikes would be a better fit. And yes, I consider Spiller a scat back. No one is denying whether he will be a very good back at the next level, it's just drafting a RB in the 1st would be a bad decision. Especially when considering all the scat backs that are scheduled to hit FA (Leon Washington, Sproles, Bush, Norwood, etc.). Defense is the main problem with this team, and needs to be dealt with accordingly.

Clipse
02-03-2010, 01:51 AM
agreed... but where was our inside OL... injured and in dissaray once again... that does not help.

Ricky was taking a more of only guy role, which does not help.... and to add the wildcat completely changed, instead of putting Lex where Ricky was, where i think he could of done well, and Ricky where Ronnie was... we changed it all up, motion and all.... i wasn't overly happy on that.

we got guys, we got talent, we jst need health at RB as well as OL... especially inside... IUPOTI?????
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Mike Iupati turned out to be the pick at #12.

j-off-her-doll
02-03-2010, 01:59 AM
While I agree with everything you say about Spiller, the problem is, this team has too many holes to fill. Obviously defense is the problem with this team, so adding a RB, when RB is one of our strongest positions will be a setback. I just can't see Brown being traded. Our offense was rolling before he went down, even set a franchise record for consecutive games with 30+ points, so the loss of Brown became very obvious how much we need him.

McClain is far superior to Spikes as a 3-4 prospect imo. Not only is McClain bigger and stronger than Spikes, I wouldn't be surprised if he ran faster at the combine either. Not to mention McClain is superior to Spikes when it comes to smarts, instincts to leadership. People keep saying how Spikes is so superior to McClain as far as blitzing goes, and while I agree that Spikes is a better blitzer, it isn't by as much as people try to make it out to be. McClain has more career sacks than Spikes as well, only by 1, but still. To be an effective ILB in the 3-4, block shedding is very important, and McClain is much better in that aspect. I also don't agree with Spikes playing faster than McClain either. People just don't seem to realize how good McClain is at running. Seems like they just assume because of his size, he's slow, which is wrong.

As for McCluster, he's more of a Darren Sproles type I agree. But I also don't think Spiller is going to be Chris Jonhson either. I just don't like the idea of drafting a scat back in the 1st round, especially when we need to be filling needs, which RB isn't. Personally, I'm leaning more towards Brandon Graham at #12, and Rejus Benn or Demaryius Thomas at #43, with a Micah Johnson or Sean Lee in rounds 3-4. Of course all this is irrelevent because who knows what happens in FA where getting a Karlos Dansby could eliminate the need for an ILB in the 1st altogether, while losing Porter could make drafting an OLB in the 1st more important.

I think we can get at least a 3rd for Brown and likely a late 2nd. If not, the Spiller pick is more difficult. He's a rare weapon, though. I love Graham. I think Spiller's a bigger impact player - just as C. Johnson (in my mind) is a bigger impact player than L. Woodley. And, I think that Coleman and Worilds are big talents in their own right. Coleman looks like he'll transition easier into a 3-4 OLB than Graham. Obviously, you can't take the best player at every position. There's some give an take.

j-off-her-doll
02-03-2010, 02:02 AM
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Mike Iupati turned out to be the pick at #12.

I can understand drafting depth for the OL, but Iupati didn't even look good in the Senior Bowl. I think he'd be a pretty terrible pick at 12 - especially considering that our starting O-line is the strength of our team.

Clipse
02-03-2010, 02:14 AM
I can understand drafting depth for the OL, but Iupati didn't even look good in the Senior Bowl. I think he'd be a pretty terrible pick at 12 - especially considering that our starting O-line is the strength of our team.
Funny, I thought he was one of the better players at the Senior Bowl. Either way I agree. Hard not to like Iupati but with so many holes on this team, you can't really justify drafting an O-Lineman so early when our O-Line is a big strength. Though we definitely need some depth in the interior with all the injuries there.

j-off-her-doll
02-03-2010, 01:08 PM
Funny, I thought he was one of the better players at the Senior Bowl. Either way I agree. Hard not to like Iupati but with so many holes on this team, you can't really justify drafting an O-Lineman so early when our O-Line is a big strength. Though we definitely need some depth in the interior with all the injuries there.

He looked good in practice, but during the game, he gave up at least one sack and could have been called for a handful of holding penalties. I wouldn't be surprised if his performance knocks him back into the 2nd.