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TheFloridaDude
02-04-2010, 09:15 PM
Alright guys look....I've been doing a lot of reading on here and I am SHOCKED at what I've read when it comes to the teams "needs" lol

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Why does so many on here insist on drafting a LB in the first round? Their argument has been our defense was our weak point last year and we need to rebuild. Yes JT is old and Porter is gone....BUT wasn't our biggest issue on defense our secondary? Maybe FS?

We gave up more big plays this year through the air then I have witnessed any team do in 18 years of football, the young corners will be MUCH better next season...but FS play with Gibril Wilson was horrific. He's slow, dosen't read the QB well...and is way past his best days. It is the S job to keep everyone in front of him...he is the security valve of the defense....our last defense. Why were so many HUGE plays made through air against the dolphins d? our secondary....NOT OUR LB'S. We were damn good against the run, but boy oh boy what a joke against the pass.

So in my eyes, if they don't draft Dez at 12 like the should becuase he is the best player availible and we have needed a #1 for god knows how long, they have got to take a safety at 12....the kid from texas, and address LB in round 2 and 3,

For those of you who think clemons can step in and start as an upgrade from gibril....you must be smoking crack, he would be a major DOWNGRADE at FS..........

If were gonna draft defense we should start where were the weakest....which is FS...not LB....look at the stats.

Ricky_Fan34
02-04-2010, 09:28 PM
Linebacker is a colossal need.. We started 2 rookies in the secondary. You need help if you fail to see how big of a need linebacker is..

Astrosback
02-04-2010, 09:29 PM
FS was arguably our biggest problem spot last year but FS won't be the BPA when we pick at 1.12.

Earl Thomas is solid but there will be better players there at 1.12. And Taylor Mays is not a good pick at 1.12 either. He could slip to our 2nd rounder at this point.

At 1.12, the BPAs will be (in no particular order)...

Dez Bryant
Rolando McClain
CJ Spiller
Joe Haden
Anthony Davis
Brandon Graham
Dan Williams
Brian Price

Out of those, I think McClain, Haden and Bryant will be gone. Spiller might be a bit of a luxury pick unless we traded Ronnie.

Brandon Graham would be a great pick but Dan Williams would fill a spot that's harder to fill (NT). Brian Price could be an interesting pick if they think he could be an undersized nose?

Rutgers OT Anthony Davis wouldn't seem like a likely pick but I wouldn't be totally shocked if they took him IF DEFENSIVE HOLES WERE FILLED IN FA and if they were really down on Donald Thomas and worried about the injury-prone Smiley and Grove. Still, this would be a way-out-of-the-box pick. It would also assume they like either Carey or Davis at RG and want to keep Nate Garner as a backup.

Outside chance of trading our 1st for DEN DE/OLB Elvis Dumervil is the other outside-the-box move that wouldn't shock me.

But taking a FS at 1.12 probably isn't going to happen.

I hate to say it but I also don't think they're going to spend big on FS in FA. It would be admitting they blew it (and all that money Ross gave them) in signing Gibril Wilson. And this regime will probably not want to give up that easily on Gibril (see Earnest Wilford cut dragging on for 2 years).

TheFloridaDude
02-04-2010, 09:35 PM
yes I understand that LB is a big need but I feel that FS superceeds that....the draft is deep at LB and I think we could do great drafting LB's later on in the draft.

FS is the biggest hole on our defense, I think Earl Thomas would be a solid 12....but as I said I would prefer them to take Dez over defense at 12...if he is availible he should be taken....and if we do trade ronnie brown and spiller is availible...you gotta take him.

I hope we go with Dez if he's there, but if we address defense first I hope we secure our secondary before our LB's....

seriously man how can you say our LB play was worse than our secondary?! lmao

as I stated before vonte and sean are young and will be much improved next year, but we need to upgrade at FS and bring in a better nickel back....

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I can't go another offseason with miami settling for average players at our skill positions....bess and hartline and great 2 and 3's....but imagine what henne could do with a true #1 along with those guys...and ronnie and ricky in the backfield....that would be scary right?

I just feel like WR and FS should be addressed before LB because this is a DEEP draft at LB

If we were to trade for say Brandon Marshall or Anquan then I would be ok with drafting a LB first, but we all know that isn't gonna happen.

ColonelJ
02-04-2010, 09:37 PM
Why does so many on here insist on drafting a LB in the first round?.

Because it may be the best player available, and people want the best player on defense. Can it be any simpler? Do you want Taylor Mays at 12, or McClain or Spiller or brandon Graham or Dan Williams or Dez Bryant?

Astrosback
02-04-2010, 09:37 PM
Linebacker is a colossal need.. We started 2 rookies in the secondary. You need help if you fail to see how big of a need linebacker is..

Our ILBs were awful. Gibril was probably the worst player on the field for our defense but Crowder/Ayodele were really bad.

And I'd list CB as a need too if Will Allen wasn't coming back. Vontae will probably be solid but unfortunately, I think Sean Smith still has a lot to prove.

But like you said, LB will be the biggest issue b/c the inside guys suck, Porter will be cut and JT is his final year.

Astrosback
02-04-2010, 09:39 PM
yes I understand that LB is a big need but I feel that FS superceeds that....the draft is deep at LB and I think we could do great drafting LB's later on in the draft.

FS is the biggest hole on our defense, I think Earl Thomas would be a solid 12....but as I said I would prefer them to take Dez over defense at 12...if he is availible he should be taken....and if we do trade ronnie brown and spiller is availible...you gotta take him.

I hope we go with Dez if he's there, but if we address defense first I hope we secure our secondary before our LB's....

seriously man how can you say our LB play was worse than our secondary?! lmao

as I stated before vonte and sean are young and will be much improved next year, but we need to upgrade at FS and bring in a better nickel back....

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I can't go another offseason with miami settling for average players at our skill positions....bess and hartline and great 2 and 3's....but imagine what henne could do with a true #1 along with those guys...and ronnie and ricky in the backfield....that would be scary right?

I just feel like WR and FS should be addressed before LB because this is a DEEP draft at LB

If we were to trade for say Brandon Marshall or Anquan then I would be ok with drafting a LB first, but we all know that isn't gonna happen.

I'd rather have Nate Allen in round 2 than Earl Thomas at 1.12.

TheFloridaDude
02-04-2010, 09:47 PM
I haven't even mentioned Taylor Mayes and wouldn't think Miami would consider drafting a no tackling *****.

The best player availible at 12....would be Dez Bryant if he's there, and thats who I think we should take. You guys also have to consider putting a true #1 on the field with Henne to help his development...

Our defense was much better with Crowder on the field and he has improved every year. Joey is gone but I think JT will come back for one year.

I think if we could draft Dez in the first round and land Brandon Spikes in the second that could be huge....he dosen't have great speed but he is a stud ILB and would fit our system very well.

Like I said I think LB is very deep this year and Earl Thomas is very highly thought of and would be a solid pick at 12...If berry were there he would be the guy...but Thomas is a stud too.

Secondary has to be first....if we go defense

Ozfin77
02-04-2010, 09:48 PM
I agree we need help at S, but if the OLB got to the QB more often, maybe we wouldnt have given up so many big plays.

At pick 12, I wouldnt be taking a S.

rent this space
02-04-2010, 09:53 PM
imo, there are multiple needs, don't limit yourself to a certain one first. you have to see who's there when it's your turn. if Spiller truly is the most explosive offensive weapon in the draft you have to consider him if he's there. it doesn't make any sense to take a lesser player because you had trouble at their position last year.

Astrosback
02-04-2010, 09:57 PM
I haven't even mentioned Taylor Mayes and wouldn't think Miami would consider drafting a no tackling *****.

The best player availible at 12....would be Dez Bryant if he's there, and thats who I think we should take. You guys also have to consider putting a true #1 on the field with Henne to help his development...

Our defense was much better with Crowder on the field and he has improved every year. Joey is gone but I think JT will come back for one year.

I think if we could draft Dez in the first round and land Brandon Spikes in the second that could be huge....he dosen't have great speed but he is a stud ILB and would fit our system very well.

Like I said I think LB is very deep this year and Earl Thomas is very highly thought of and would be a solid pick at 12...If berry were there he would be the guy...but Thomas is a stud too.

Secondary has to be first....if we go defense

What about this draft...

1.) Joe Haden CB UF
2.) Brandon Spikes LB UF
3.) Aaron Hernandez TE UF
4.) Maurkice Pouncy C UF
6a.) Major Wright FS UF
6b.) Jermain Cunningham DE UF
7a.) Riley Cooper WR UF
7b.) Brandon James RB/RS UF

ColonelJ
02-04-2010, 09:58 PM
Secondary has to be first....if we go defense

If you feel that Earl Thomas is the best player available, then there is no argument.

I just don't see how Thomas is a greater improvement over Wilson than Dez Bryant over Ginn, or McClain over Ayodele, or Dan Williams over Soliai.

rickd13
02-04-2010, 10:33 PM
Having a great front seven makes up for weaknesses in the secondary.

SF Dolphin Fan
02-04-2010, 10:54 PM
FS is a big need, but the inconsistent pass rush and lack of cover skills at the linebacker position played a big role in all the plays being made in Miami's secondary. The Dolphins desperately need some complete linebackers, guys who can rush the passer, stop the run and cover vs. the pass. We don't have one guy that can do that.

TedSlimmJr
02-04-2010, 11:05 PM
As bad as Gibril Wilson is at FS.....believe it or not the linebackers are worse...

...and the statistics support this....the completion percentage when Ayodele and Crowder were thrown at are both astronomical and unacceptable....they were both exposed all season....apparently someone was too busy watching their overrated fullback run around perpetrating as a quarterback to notice all the tight ends constantly shredding Miami's piss poor linebackers...

The only thing Crowder has improved at every year is keeping those peanut brain south Florida journalists wondering if he's really as stupid as he acts.......he's terrible...

The entire linebacking unit has to be rebuilt....you will not a find a more pitiful, less talented, older, more overpaid, sucky unit than the one Miami runs out on the field every Sunday....

The linebackers have to be addressed first and foremost....early and often..

Safety and defensive line are the two deepest positions in this draft....

This draft isn't deep in quality inside linebackers....especially that fit a 3-4 defense......if you want a good one you better get him in the first 50 picks...

Mr_Freezetag
02-04-2010, 11:31 PM
I haven't even mentioned Taylor Mayes and wouldn't think Miami would consider drafting a no tackling *****.

The best player availible at 12....would be Dez Bryant if he's there, and thats who I think we should take. You guys also have to consider putting a true #1 on the field with Henne to help his development...

Our defense was much better with Crowder on the field and he has improved every year. Joey is gone but I think JT will come back for one year.

I think if we could draft Dez in the first round and land Brandon Spikes in the second that could be huge....he dosen't have great speed but he is a stud ILB and would fit our system very well.

Like I said I think LB is very deep this year and Earl Thomas is very highly thought of and would be a solid pick at 12...If berry were there he would be the guy...but Thomas is a stud too.

Secondary has to be first....if we go defense

Do you honestly think Dez Bryant would slip back to us?

hooshoops
02-04-2010, 11:33 PM
i think we could get a pretty good safety prospect with pick #74 maybe even #108...it's definitely deeper than 3-4 ilb to me...

there's only 2 ilbs that i feel fit our 3-4 and are worthy of top 50 picks and that's mcclain and brandon spikes...and weatherspoon even though i don't see his best fit in our defense won't make it to #43...

j-off-her-doll
02-04-2010, 11:56 PM
Earl Thomas would be on the list of people who are right there for BPA. He made more big plays in pass D than any player in college football last season. He's the man.

I'd prefer we take Spiller, but Thomas would be more than a solid pick.

HurriPhin
02-05-2010, 12:03 AM
Why does so many on here insist on drafting a LB in the first round? Their argument has been our defense was our weak point last year and we need to rebuild. Yes JT is old and Porter is gone....BUT wasn't our biggest issue on defense our secondary? Maybe FS?

....look at the stats.


Your boy Clamming Chowder sucks and needs to be replaced by a real ILB that can actually tackle and cover a TE so our secondary can worry about their own issues.

Sometimes you gotta look at the facts.

state06
02-05-2010, 12:23 AM
No body here knows what our FO is doing to prep for the draft or even FA.
If we sign Rolle, LB is our biggest need, if we sign Dansby, what do we draft at 12?

Have you seen our linebackers attempt to cover slot recievers/TE's last season? i almost felt bad for them. Clearly LB is a need

Who's to say Clemons wont be a solid starter at safety? he ran the best 40 as a safety and was a solid rated prospect in the draft.

Interesting question here...what if McClain, bryant, Graham are gone at 12 and haden was available, what are the chances we would draft him and convert Smith back to Safety?

CW_McGraw
02-05-2010, 12:49 AM
We were damn good against the run

No, we weren't. We were 14th in YPC against and 18th in yards. We gave up the 10th most rushing TDs. We were hardly a good run defense. Much of this has to do with injuries, but Crowder and Ayodele are clearly not the future at ILB. By no means were we as laughably bad against the run as we were against the pass, in part because we tended to prevent huge runs (Thanks Yeremiah. :up:), but we have no real future at ILB. Our secondary has hope. Our front seven, outside of the DEs, has no real talent. Hence why we need to draft McClain.

Our defense as a whole was just God awful. It's reasonable to assume that with the maturation of Sean and Vontae, we should at least be able to reach the average level against the pass. With the losers we have in our linebacking corps, we can't make that assumption for our run defense. Fergie may or may not return and Soliai was hardly impressive.

Clipse
02-05-2010, 01:01 AM
Shocked for what reason? We have two rookie CB's, and two linebackers at safety, and our best CB was out for the year. Getting a true FS is obviously a need, just not as big as LB is. Our OLB's were very inconsistent at getting to the QB, very. And our LB's gave up play after play as well.

And we haven't even hit FA yet. If we landed Rolle in FA, then this thread is pointless.

roy_miami
02-05-2010, 01:25 AM
You write a novel explaining why drafting an ILB would be dumb becuse free safety is the weak spot then say we should draft Dez Bryant? :lol::crazy::err:

#1dolphinsfan
02-05-2010, 01:30 AM
If your front seven cant get a good pass rush then you really put a ton of presure on your secondary the only postion i think we really need to improve in the secondary at this point would be FS because as we all know Gibril Wilson isnt a good FS he is a good SS but not FS so therefore i think the Front 7 of our team is a bigger need the only way i would want to go Saftey in the first round is if Brandon Graham, Weatherspoon, McClain, Bryant, but if Berry is there i would take him over anyone but unless all those guys are gone i would like to trade down and pick Earl Thomas but i know for a fact that not all those guys will go in the top 11 picks. i do agree that FS is a need but i dont think it is a bigger need the ILB but i do agree we should draft dez bryant

Xeticus
02-05-2010, 03:47 AM
FS is a huge need but our LB corps needs a complete overhaul and it should have been done last year. I was very pissed when we went into the season with Crowder and Ayodele in the middle. I was sure when round 2 hit we were going to get a decent LB prospect there. So the Pat White pick shocked me. LB's should have been addressed last year and it's costing us. A 3-4 lives and dies by it's LB's.

ColonelJ
02-05-2010, 03:53 AM
our LB corps should have been done last year. So the Pat White pick shocked me. LB's should have been addressed last year and it's costing us.

Yup! 100% true.

ckparrothead
02-05-2010, 11:02 AM
...and the statistics support this....the completion percentage when Ayodele and Crowder were thrown at are both astronomical and unacceptable....they were both exposed all season....

How familiar are you with that statistic? Akin Ayodele's completion was among the bottom 5 (out of 38) ILBs in the league taking 50% of snaps or more, but Channing Crowder's was right in the middle of the pack, ranked 17 of 38.

Linebackers let up a high percentage of completions when they're thrown at. It's a fact of life. They also generally let up a high yards per completion. Channing Crowder and Akin Ayodele were higher than most, but I can also think of several plays where big chunks of yardage were added to their stats because the Miami safeties (specifically Wilson) were just that poor.


The only thing Crowder has improved at every year is keeping those peanut brain south Florida journalists wondering if he's really as stupid as he acts.......he's terrible...

The journalists know he's very intelligent. It's some holdover fans who haven't gotten beyond the speaking English in England joke...and who ignorantly support their claims by implying it's easy to graduate UF with a 3.5 GPA.


The entire linebacking unit has to be rebuilt....you will not a find a more pitiful, less talented, older, more overpaid, sucky unit than the one Miami runs out on the field every Sunday....

The linebackers have to be addressed first and foremost....early and often..

Safety and defensive line are the two deepest positions in this draft....

This draft isn't deep in quality inside linebackers....especially that fit a 3-4 defense......if you want a good one you better get him in the first 50 picks...

I can agree that the linebacking unit needs to be re-fitted. I just don't understand why Channing Crowder is at the center of your ire on that one. He's obviously not elite. I think people just don't want to admit that as a pairing, Joey Porter and Jason Taylor were really a very poor fit for this defense, and that Akin Ayodele should be nothing more than a role player in the NFL. If you were to do away with Porter, have Taylor and Wake rotate at the ROLB spot, move Merling out to SOLB, get another genuinely good quality SOLB candidate, pair Crowder up with a different partner at ILB (one that's ready to start), and finally (but just as importantly) grab a pass coverage specialist that can come onto the field when needed...then I think you've accomplished something significant and lasting.

But I do agree with the original poster that secondary was THE biggest issue on the defense. Gibril Wilson was not getting it, Will Allen got hurt, and the Vontae/Smith pairing let up a lot of big plays that changed the face of games. They should NOT have been expected to start as rookies. That was a mistake by the brain trust. They weren't allowed to just come onto the field during favorable situations/matchups, they were forced to stay on the field even when the situations/matchups didn't favor them.

A lot of the upside to this defense will have to come from scheme, possibly a new free safety, Will Allen coming back strong, and Vontae and Sean both growing up. That's not the popular answer. That's not what people want to hear. They all want to get their hands dirty and dig in, feel like we're doing something to get better. "Waiting" is just a terribly unpopular answer. And so I feel like even when people admit that "waiting" might be the best idea for the secondary, they displace the angst over the defense onto the linebackers unit and specifically Channing Crowder.

fgrocker
02-05-2010, 11:33 AM
http://profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=ILB&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1

This should tell you how bad our ILBs were last year - we had two of the worst in the NFL. Our safeties and corners played decently, but it was the missed assignments and blown coverages by our linebackers that allowed teams to decimate us in the middle of the field (Manning/Clark ring any bells?)

TedSlimmJr
02-05-2010, 11:37 AM
How familiar are you with that statistic? Akin Ayodele's completion was among the bottom 5 (out of 38) ILBs in the league taking 50% of snaps or more, but Channing Crowder's was right in the middle of the pack, ranked 17 of 38.

Linebackers let up a high percentage of completions when they're thrown at. It's a fact of life. They also generally let up a high yards per completion. Channing Crowder and Akin Ayodele were higher than most, but I can also think of several plays where big chunks of yardage were added to their stats because the Miami safeties (specifically Wilson) were just that poor.



The journalists know he's very intelligent. It's some holdover fans who haven't gotten beyond the speaking English in England joke...and who ignorantly support their claims by implying it's easy to graduate UF with a 3.5 GPA.



I can agree that the linebacking unit needs to be re-fitted. I just don't understand why Channing Crowder is at the center of your ire on that one. He's obviously not elite. I think people just don't want to admit that as a pairing, Joey Porter and Jason Taylor were really a very poor fit for this defense, and that Akin Ayodele should be nothing more than a role player in the NFL. If you were to do away with Porter, have Taylor and Wake rotate at the ROLB spot, move Merling out to SOLB, get another genuinely good quality SOLB candidate, pair Crowder up with a different partner at ILB (one that's ready to start), and finally (but just as importantly) grab a pass coverage specialist that can come onto the field when needed...then I think you've accomplished something significant and lasting.

But I do agree with the original poster that secondary was THE biggest issue on the defense. Gibril Wilson was not getting it, Will Allen got hurt, and the Vontae/Smith pairing let up a lot of big plays that changed the face of games. They should NOT have been expected to start as rookies. That was a mistake by the brain trust. They weren't allowed to just come onto the field during favorable situations/matchups, they were forced to stay on the field even when the situations/matchups didn't favor them.

A lot of the upside to this defense will have to come from scheme, possibly a new free safety, Will Allen coming back strong, and Vontae and Sean both growing up. That's not the popular answer. That's not what people want to hear. They all want to get their hands dirty and dig in, feel like we're doing something to get better. "Waiting" is just a terribly unpopular answer. And so I feel like even when people admit that "waiting" might be the best idea for the secondary, they displace the angst over the defense onto the linebackers unit and specifically Channing Crowder.


I'm familiar with watching both Ayodele and Crowder play.....I'm not some sheep poster around here that just likes to pile on with whichever way the wind is currently blowing.....in fact..you'll just about find me going against the grain on 75% of the topics around here...

I realized how uninspiring (it's your fault I like that word now too) Crowder was 3 years ago....we will forever disagree on this scrub CK..

I think he's miscast inside in a 3-4...he doesn't have the insticts to function at a high enough level there IMO....I think he's best suited outside in a 4-3 where SOME of his shortcomings can be washed out by SOME of the things he does well...

Crowder is at the center of my ire because he's the best ILB Miami has and that's a far cry from being good enough....perhaps that isn't his fault? Maybe the fans should direct their attention towards the "czars" that overpaid for the bum in the first place?

I never liked the Porter signing from day 1.....and never subscribed to the idea that bringing Twinkletoes back was such a great idea...

We're losers with him....get rid of him and win 11 games...bring him back and pick 12th in the draft again....bad Karma seems to follow this guy....nevermind that he's a situational player at this point...trust me I'm aware of the other factors, but you get my point..

Of course teaming Porter and Taylor AGAIN was a bad idea...I don't know why we keep trying it....move on already...sheez..

FWIW...Wilson grading out as the 15th best safety and whatnot means nothing to me....he's terrible...I don't need some websites statistics to point me in the right direction here....I watch the guy play...I watch him be in position to make plays and he just cant do it.....I never liked this signing from day 1......especially for the amount of money they signed him to.....and I'm not talking out of my *** here, hoops can verify all of this...

I do agree that the backbone of the majority of big plays Miami gave up in the passing game is attributed to the pups at cornerback....but that's just part of it when you're forced to start the two youngsters out there...

I never liked the Pasqualadotti hire....honestly...I'm not a fan of "Parcells network" of old timers that he likes to drag around with him period....surely there was a reason he was fired after Sparano carefully looked himself in the mirror as well?

I'm not a member of the Merling at OLB camp....I think it's going to be another failed experiment if they try, and they're going to have to find one anyway....so go ahead and do it now and save yourself the headache...

Instead of trying to squeeze another year out of Twinkletoes rotating in and out with Wake on the weakside...I'd rather see them draft a legitimate stud to that instead.....

Finding an ILB to pair with Crowder if they're so hellbent on keeping this clown around isn't a want....that's a need....finding another to replace Crowder is a tremendous want on my part....and has been for quite some time...

Getting their hands on a free safety that actually has the skillset to play it is another need....not a want...but I believe I can get one past the 12th pick in the draft....yes...I said I think even I can get one past the 12th pick in the draft...surely the "czars" are confident they can too...

Again....the path obviously becomes much clearer after free agency....which is an area I think most of the posters on this site could do a better job in...

TheFloridaDude
02-05-2010, 11:48 AM
Yes as I stated in my first post, I really think we need to actively go after Dez Bryant in the draft because I believe he is a once in a couple of years type of WR. I would even be stoked if we traded up a few to get in front of Denver . If he falls to us, we should take him, he's a true #1 and would help Henne a great deal.

If he dosen't fall to 12 which I think there is a very high chance he will, if Spiller were somehow on the board at that point we couldn't pass on talent like that.

My argument was that IF we decide to draft defense first which we probably will, I really think we should address our secondary before anything else. I dunno why Earl Thomas is getting no love on here but he would be a solid 12, and is a ballhawk...which we desperately need.

Sorry bud but 40 times at the combine don't really mean **** when it comes to Chris Clemons....he isn't football fast...he dosen't read plays well and cannot cover 1 on 1...lol anyone who defends clemons as being a starter in waiting is off their rocker. You may be OK with fielding mediocre talent every year...I am not.

SAY we go defense first....this would re-shape our defense greatly...

take earl thomas at 12
brandon spikes in the second

Thomas is the second best safety in the country behind berry, and brandon spikes is a premiere ILB and would be a high first if he had better speed, but he's an ILB he dosen't need incredible speed...I watched him hold down Florida's #1 defense for a couple years and I would love to see him bring that down to Miami.

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It all depends on what could happen. I was very suprised last year when B Marshall was on the market along with Anquan and we didnt offer a trade....

I would love to bring in Dansby this year, and if we traded for Marshall or Boldin I would be all for passing on Bryant and going S and ILB the first couple rounds......but what we do in the draft all depends on if we do ANYTHING in free agency...there is a good chance we will so we probably won't know to much about our definite direction until closer to the draft

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Porter is gone. I am a huge supporter and fan of cameron wake and I hope he's on the field full time next season. He just needs to improve on his pass coverage.

Our run defense was much higher ranked before the injuries depleted our LB core. We were in the top 7 for a nice stretch before the injuries.

I think our pass defense was much worse then our run defense correct? Our guys can't cover. Not our safeties. Bell is a LB at SS and we all know about Gibril

So don't try to sell me that our run defense was worse than our pass defense....tells me we need better cover guys. how many picks did we have again? single digits bud...thats unacceptable

Our secondary is our weakest link so we must address it first esspecially if a stud like Thomas is on the board.

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Right? lol

ckparrothead
02-05-2010, 12:15 PM
I'm familiar with watching both Ayodele and Crowder play.....I'm not some sheep poster around here that just likes to pile on with whichever way the wind is currently blowing.....in fact..you'll just about find me going against the grain on 75% of the topics around here...

I realize that. You're making my question out to be unfair, and it wasn't. Pro Football Focus really only came out and became fairly known this year and people are still quite understandably feeling out just how much information they offer. Before that site was out, there was no resource where you could compare completion percentages on a bunch of inside linebackers. I'm sorry if it seemed a condescending question but it wasn't. You were using words like "astronomical" to describe results that were either very mediocre or a little worse than mediocre.


Crowder is at the center of my ire because he's the best ILB Miami has and that's a far cry from being good enough....perhaps that isn't his fault? Maybe the fans should direct their attention towards the "czars" that overpaid for the bum in the first place?

They gave up a third round pick for him, and then after his four-year rookie deal was up they gave him a $3 million a year contract. You think that was an overpay? I just can't agree. That's pretty much exactly what you pay for a middle-of-the-road player like that.


Of course teaming Porter and Taylor AGAIN was a bad idea...I don't know why we keep trying it....move on already...sheez..

I have to agree. But at least Taylor seems humbled and willing to try and be a part-time player, whereas Joey is absolutely against it.


FWIW...Wilson grading out as the 15th best safety and whatnot means nothing to me....he's terrible...I don't need some websites statistics to point me in the right direction here....I watch the guy play...I watch him be in position to make plays and he just cant do it.....I never liked this signing from day 1......especially for the amount of money they signed him to.....and I'm not talking out of my *** here, hoops can verify all of this...

I'm not accusing you of anything. I agree, I've been pretty loud about not trusting the PFF rating system...and it's gotten me some people that are pissed off at me about it. However, their statistics (different from the ratings)...gold mine.


I'm not a member of the Merling at OLB camp....I think it's going to be another failed experiment if they try, and they're going to have to find one anyway....so go ahead and do it now and save yourself the headache...

I think as things stand, considering the #32 pick is normally considered to be a first rounder, Phil Merling is already a failed experiment...relatively speaking. About as much a failed experiment as Matt Roth was at DE after taking him in the second round. Moving both guys to SOLB was about trying to recover a little something even though the player isn't what you hoped. I don't see anything wrong with that.


Instead of trying to squeeze another year out of Twinkletoes rotating in and out with Wake on the weakside...I'd rather see them draft a legitimate stud to that instead.....

This sort of assumes that they didn't already find a legit stud in Wake and I honestly believe they have.

Otherwise, I just wonder how often you find a 3-4 defense has two ILBs that are both significantly better than Channing Crowder.

dr.jake
02-05-2010, 12:36 PM
just for discussion sake say mcclain and berry are off the board (a real possibility).who is the better pickup the top CB in the draft joe haden or the second best safety earl thomas.who is the better fit in our secondary. let me also say that perrish cox is a playmaker i watched a couple games this year who will likely be on the board round 2.

TheFloridaDude
02-05-2010, 12:39 PM
Good question.....and actually I think this could be a great way to go.....

Draft Haden at 12, and move Sean Smith back to his original position of FS....he is such a big guy he should be able to ball hawk back there when he's facing the offense.

Line Haden and Vonte up together.....now that could bring us back to the Madison Surtain days......

that way we could fix our problem at FS and get a shutdown CB at the same time.....NICE

ckparrothead
02-05-2010, 12:48 PM
Free Safety was *never* Sean Smith's "original" position. And he's not fit for it.

fgrocker
02-05-2010, 12:54 PM
Good question.....and actually I think this could be a great way to go.....

Draft Haden at 12, and move Sean Smith back to his original position of FS....he is such a big guy he should be able to ball hawk back there when he's facing the offense.

Line Haden and Vonte up together.....now that could bring us back to the Madison Surtain days......

that way we could fix our problem at FS and get a shutdown CB at the same time.....NICE

So we should move a CB who can't tackle to FS? You do realize this isn't Madden and safeties need to be sure tacklers, right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzKHhVMsAo0

TheFloridaDude
02-05-2010, 12:59 PM
Well Sean played Safety at Utah and played very well. Also he would be playing FS so he dosent need to hit like John Lynch. We need a good coverage safety and sean would do that well.

yeah sure gibril can hit but we dont need two lb's back there. bell plays SS...he's the big hitter, sean could do well at FS...

and regardless, it could be hard to pass on a shutdown corner at 12...

sean at fs would be a big improvement over gibril at FS....sean can cover, gibril obviously cant

its just an idea geeeez lol

TedSlimmJr
02-05-2010, 01:04 PM
just for discussion sake say mcclain and berry are off the board (a real possibility).who is the better pickup the top CB in the draft joe haden or the second best safety earl thomas.who is the better fit in our secondary. let me also say that perrish cox is a playmaker i watched a couple games this year who will likely be on the board round 2.


I would go Haden here.....he has less question marks than Thomas when you project both of them to the NFL IMO...

He plays the football in the air better than any corner in this draft....ball skills are something that you can't coach..you either have it or you dont....and other than Arenas, Haden is the best blitzing and tackling corner in this class....Haden is comfortably the top corner on my board...I don't think there's any question he'd start for Miami from day 1...

I'm quite aware of how much of a stud in coverage Earl Thomas is....in fact, I may have been the first one around here to even dare mention his name in the same breath as Berry and Mays months ago....while also defending him when someone came along to post a single "highlight" clip from his freshman year in order to knock him....

But I don't think he's worth the 12th overall pick in this draft....he has no peers when it comes to patrolling the secondary and making QB's pay dearly for their mistakes...not even Eric Berry....but he's not as complete, physical, or experienced as Berry...

For the sake of conversation....if there's even a snowball's chance that Berry could fall to the 12th pick....that automatically prevents Earl Thomas from being good value at that slot...

Perrish Cox is in that next batch of corners that I think probably slides into round 2 where you usually see the run on corners begin anyway....and that's disreguarding any character concerns there may be with him....I was really looking forward to seeing his matchup with Shay Hodge in the Cotton Bowl until he got himself suspended for the game...

Sean Smith I really liked...but he was a safety/cornerback tweener on my board...and I'd be hesitant to put that poor of a tackler as my last line of defense...he still plays with an offensive players mentality IMO...his tackling fundamentals are poor...

DaytonaDolFan13
02-05-2010, 01:05 PM
There are some terrific FS prospects coming out this year... thomas, allen, burnett, rolle

Geforce
02-05-2010, 01:12 PM
Well Sean played Safety at Utah and played very well. Also he would be playing FS so he dosent need to hit like John Lynch. We need a good coverage safety and sean would do that well.

yeah sure gibril can hit but we dont need two lb's back there. bell plays SS...he's the big hitter, sean could do well at FS...

and regardless, it could be hard to pass on a shutdown corner at 12...

sean at fs would be a big improvement over gibril at FS....sean can cover, gibril obviously cant

its just an idea geeeez lol
Smith never played safety at Utah. He arrived at Utah as a receiver and running back before moving to CB in 2007.

Moving Sean to FS would be another position he would have to learn.

ckparrothead
02-05-2010, 01:18 PM
Well Sean played Safety at Utah and played very well. Also he would be playing FS so he dosent need to hit like John Lynch. We need a good coverage safety and sean would do that well.

Let me stop you right there. No, he did not. That is just plain inaccurate. He was a WR and RB in high school. He was a WR at Utah. Then they moved him directly to CB where he played his final two years. Never played safety. At all. At...all.

Yeah I understand it's just an idea and I'm not trying to jump on top of you for having an idea, but your idea is based on faulty recollection.

ckparrothead
02-05-2010, 01:20 PM
I think Kam Chancellor is going to start in this league for many years and make a team very happy. I'd love to get my hands on him.

hooshoops
02-05-2010, 01:22 PM
I'm familiar with watching both Ayodele and Crowder play.....I'm not some sheep poster around here that just likes to pile on with whichever way the wind is currently blowing.....in fact..you'll just about find me going against the grain on 75% of the topics around here...

I realized how uninspiring (it's your fault I like that word now too) Crowder was 3 years ago....we will forever disagree on this scrub CK..

I think he's miscast inside in a 3-4...he doesn't have the insticts to function at a high enough level there IMO....I think he's best suited outside in a 4-3 where SOME of his shortcomings can be washed out by SOME of the things he does well...

Crowder is at the center of my ire because he's the best ILB Miami has and that's a far cry from being good enough....perhaps that isn't his fault? Maybe the fans should direct their attention towards the "czars" that overpaid for the bum in the first place?

I never liked the Porter signing from day 1.....and never subscribed to the idea that bringing Twinkletoes back was such a great idea...

We're losers with him....get rid of him and win 11 games...bring him back and pick 12th in the draft again....bad Karma seems to follow this guy....nevermind that he's a situational player at this point...trust me I'm aware of the other factors, but you get my point..

Of course teaming Porter and Taylor AGAIN was a bad idea...I don't know why we keep trying it....move on already...sheez..

FWIW...Wilson grading out as the 15th best safety and whatnot means nothing to me....he's terrible...I don't need some websites statistics to point me in the right direction here....I watch the guy play...I watch him be in position to make plays and he just cant do it.....I never liked this signing from day 1......especially for the amount of money they signed him to.....and I'm not talking out of my *** here, hoops can verify all of this...

I do agree that the backbone of the majority of big plays Miami gave up in the passing game is attributed to the pups at cornerback....but that's just part of it when you're forced to start the two youngsters out there...

I never liked the Pasqualadotti hire....honestly...I'm not a fan of "Parcells network" of old timers that he likes to drag around with him period....surely there was a reason he was fired after Sparano carefully looked himself in the mirror as well?

I'm not a member of the Merling at OLB camp....I think it's going to be another failed experiment if they try, and they're going to have to find one anyway....so go ahead and do it now and save yourself the headache...

Instead of trying to squeeze another year out of Twinkletoes rotating in and out with Wake on the weakside...I'd rather see them draft a legitimate stud to that instead.....

Finding an ILB to pair with Crowder if they're so hellbent on keeping this clown around isn't a want....that's a need....finding another to replace Crowder is a tremendous want on my part....and has been for quite some time...

Getting their hands on a free safety that actually has the skillset to play it is another need....not a want...but I believe I can get one past the 12th pick in the draft....yes...I said I think even I can get one past the 12th pick in the draft...surely the "czars" are confident they can too...

Again....the path obviously becomes much clearer after free agency....which is an area I think most of the posters on this site could do a better job in...

absolutely...slimm and i have been united on this stuff for some time...crowder is garbage gibril wilson was a trash signing as a free safety and he's garbage too...

it took me a while come around on ted ginn i kept waiting but slimm had him pegged from the get go...more garbage

hooshoops
02-05-2010, 01:23 PM
sean smith may be the worst tackling starting corner in football...i'm hard pressed to find anyone worse...

hooshoops
02-05-2010, 01:26 PM
just for discussion sake say mcclain and berry are off the board (a real possibility).who is the better pickup the top CB in the draft joe haden or the second best safety earl thomas.who is the better fit in our secondary. let me also say that perrish cox is a playmaker i watched a couple games this year who will likely be on the board round 2.

i think haden is the better talent and top 10 player...do i go corner though over earl thomas??? i don't know maybe i look to see if someone is interested in coming up to get the top cb in the draft...

but i'll say this...i'm not so sure sean smith is gonna be a good corner for this team for the long haul...there's a lot of things i see with him that i don't like...

TheFloridaDude
02-05-2010, 01:36 PM
my bad, i swear i thought he played safety at utah...i knew he was a converted WR though.

so guess it isn't such a good idea. then i say you'd have to pass on haden and go with earl thomas or berry if he fell somehow

j-off-her-doll
02-05-2010, 01:44 PM
I would go Haden here.....he has less question marks than Thomas when you project both of them to the NFL IMO...

He plays the football in the air better than any corner in this draft....ball skills are something that you can't coach..you either have it or you dont....and other than Arenas, Haden is the best blitzing and tackling corner in this class....Haden is comfortably the top corner on my board...I don't think there's any question he'd start for Miami from day 1...

I'm quite aware of how much of a stud in coverage Earl Thomas is....in fact, I may have been the first one around here to even dare mention his name in the same breath as Berry and Mays months ago....while also defending him when someone came along to post a single "highlight" clip from his freshman year in order to knock him....

But I don't think he's worth the 12th overall pick in this draft....he has no peers when it comes to patrolling the secondary and making QB's pay dearly for their mistakes...not even Eric Berry....but he's not as complete, physical, or experienced as Berry...

For the sake of conversation....if there's even a snowball's chance that Berry could fall to the 12th pick....that automatically prevents Earl Thomas from being good value at that slot...

Perrish Cox is in that next batch of corners that I think probably slides into round 2 where you usually see the run on corners begin anyway....and that's disreguarding any character concerns there may be with him....I was really looking forward to seeing his matchup with Shay Hodge in the Cotton Bowl until he got himself suspended for the game...

Sean Smith I really liked...but he was a safety/cornerback tweener on my board...and I'd be hesitant to put that poor of a tackler as my last line of defense...he still plays with an offensive players mentality IMO...his tackling fundamentals are poor...

I agree with just about all of this post - except the conclusion you find. What can help our D more than a dominate ball-hawking FS? I agree that Berry is more complete and that you'd have to draft him - should he fall. But, Berry is a freak. Labeling someone the 2nd best FS behind Berry isn't a knock on that player. Gerald McCoy is the 2nd best DT in the draft (according to most - some have him over Suh). Will that keep him from going top five? Especially with the blitzing schemes that Nolan will implement, a ball-hawking FS is paramount to the success of this D. I've moved off the E. Thomas train because of surrounding scenarios: I there's a decent chance we land A. Rolle. But, of the two players, E. Thomas will be just as dynamic at his position - if not more (I think he'll be the more dynamic player in the right system). And, E. Thomas would address an area of need much more than Haden would - unless we land A. Rolle.

ckparrothead
02-05-2010, 01:45 PM
I honestly think Earl might move to CB at the next level, especially since he basically functioned as a slot CB for much of his time at Texas. All that speed and coverage ability, without size or the extreme physicality to make up for it? Just smells like a CB to me.

I'd move Vontae to safety before Sean Smith. And with Will Allen returning next year, and the front office's current interest in re-signing Nate Jones...it's something to consider, though it sounds a bit hair-brained.

TheFloridaDude
02-05-2010, 01:51 PM
i dont see why bringing back will allen would be a good move, he's getting up there in age and he's coming off an acl....i think its time to move on.

i think earl thomas is a stud fs and would do wonders for our d.

like i've said all along if we go d, we need to go fs first...the work on our LB core and d-line

but I still hope we get dez at 12 :p4286:

TedSlimmJr
02-05-2010, 02:03 PM
I agree with just about all of this post - except the conclusion you find. What can help our D more than a dominate ball-hawking FS? I agree that Berry is more complete and that you'd have to draft him - should he fall. But, Berry is a freak. Labeling someone the 2nd best FS behind Berry isn't a knock on that player. Gerald McCoy is the 2nd best DT in the draft (according to most - some have him over Suh). Will that keep him from going top five? Especially with the blitzing schemes that Nolan will implement, a ball-hawking FS is paramount to the success of this D. I've moved off the E. Thomas train because of surrounding scenarios: I there's a decent chance we land A. Rolle. But, of the two players, E. Thomas will be just as dynamic at his position - if not more (I think he'll be the more dynamic player in the right system). And, E. Thomas would address an area of need much more than Haden would - unless we land A. Rolle.


Being the 2nd best safety behind Berry isn't the knock....being 5-10, 195 pounds is the knock as far as being the 12th overall pick in the draft is concerned....the dimension that Thomas brings in coverage is what is special IMO...but it's still only one dimension....you cant use him in the box...at all...

However, as CK mentioned..the other thing that he brings is versatility....the hips to play cornerback...which he's done at Texas...

You just dont see these types of players taken with top 15-20 picks...

What would make Miami's defense better is more talent at the LB position...."it all starts up front" doesn't just apply to offensive side of the ball....it all starts in the front 7 on defense...

Gerald McCoy isn't going to be the 1st or 2nd player taken because he's arguably the 2nd best DT behind Suh....it's because he plays a position where it all starts.....in the front 7.....and he's an elite talent there...

ckparrothead
02-05-2010, 02:12 PM
And some coaches in the conference will swear that McCoy is better than Suh, strangely enough. But, that falls under the "Ask enough people, you'll hear everything" file.

Will Allen's on contract. I see no reason to break it.

TheFloridaDude
02-05-2010, 02:16 PM
thats A LOT of money to pay for an aging nickel back coming off an acl.

right?

TedSlimmJr
02-05-2010, 02:23 PM
And some coaches in the conference will swear that McCoy is better than Suh, strangely enough. But, that falls under the "Ask enough people, you'll hear everything" file.

Will Allen's on contract. I see no reason to break it.


It's close no doubt....Gerald McCoy was IMO the best player on the field as a redshirt sophomore in the national championship game against Florida...

I think he's more disruptive than Suh and at shooting gaps, etc...but I think Suh is more powerful and more of a fit for different schemes....in the right scheme I could definitely see McCoy as a ROY candidate...

Speaking of DT's...have you ever seen a more powerful player with better leverage off the snap than Brian Price? That kid is a bull.....I know what he's listed at but he looks every bit of 320 to me...

ckparrothead
02-05-2010, 02:30 PM
Brian Price spends SO much time on the ground though. It's literally like a third of his snaps, I'm pretty sure I tallied that. Can he be nearly that explosive when playing in control of himself to where he's not going to fall on the ground the moment he has to redirect or retrace?

He's such a classic gap shooter that sells out on the penetration, and you can't be that in the NFL. You have to be more than that. That's why I do think Suh is better than McCoy. He can do it all, he can be more.

If you just want ridiculous quickness off the snap, you can find that in Mike Neal. And he won't fall down every other snap, either.

I just get upset when I see a player that could be more than he is. I don't get the feeling that he's 320...I get the feeling his listing is about right at 300.

j-off-her-doll
02-05-2010, 02:36 PM
I don't think E. Thomas is too small to play the Ed Reed roll in Nolan's D. And, he played a lot in the box in Texas. I don't see why you'd take a dominate ball-hawk and move him to CB.

hooshoops
02-05-2010, 02:39 PM
i'm taking dan williams on the nose before i take earl thomas...

i'm actually moving away from earl thoma for consideration at pick #12 and dan williams is coming up...

and gerald mccoy is a monster...

HurriPhin
02-05-2010, 02:40 PM
take earl thomas at 12
brandon spikes in the second

Thomas is the second best safety in the country behind berry, and brandon spikes is a premiere ILB and would be a high first if he had better speed, but he's an ILB he dosen't need incredible speed...I watched him hold down Florida's #1 defense for a couple years and I would love to see him bring that down to Miami.

No one wants your lil' ga*tor girls down here in Miami. The last thing we need is to replace Clamming Chowder with another sub-par University of Felon teammate. I'd rather gouge my eyes out.

j-off-her-doll
02-05-2010, 03:08 PM
I don't take a NT in the early 1st unless I see him being a K. Jenkins or V. Wilfork. I don't see that in D. Williams.

TedSlimmJr
02-05-2010, 03:09 PM
Brian Price spends SO much time on the ground though. It's literally like a third of his snaps, I'm pretty sure I tallied that. Can he be nearly that explosive when playing in control of himself to where he's not going to fall on the ground the moment he has to redirect or retrace?

He's such a classic gap shooter that sells out on the penetration, and you can't be that in the NFL. You have to be more than that. That's why I do think Suh is better than McCoy. He can do it all, he can be more.

If you just want ridiculous quickness off the snap, you can find that in Mike Neal. And he won't fall down every other snap, either.

I just get upset when I see a player that could be more than he is. I don't get the feeling that he's 320...I get the feeling his listing is about right at 300.


Definitely see what you're talking about with Price....if he doesn't make the play with his initial surge...he's cooked....always on the ground....I've never seen him work down the line of scrimmage....it's just his power and penetration is something to behold..."bull" in every sense of the word...

I like Neal too...but he's going to be a 5-tech IMO...he reminds me of a little bit lighter version of Kentwan Balmer as a prospect..

TheFloridaDude
02-05-2010, 03:52 PM
Wow it's nice to see some love for Earl Thomas on here....he's a stud and would add a lot of talent to our secondary and hopefully would create a lot more turnovers.....interceptions were a huge problem for our defense this year as far as im concerned....single digits isn't cutting it....he would bring so much to our defense....

If we go defense, he is the way to go, players like him don't come around all the time....if he could do half of what Ed Reed has done we'd be in business...and he has that ability

Still think we could do great in the draft in the 2nd and 3rd round with LB's

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and to the comment about the "university of felons" your obviously bitter that the Gators have won 2 national championships in 4 years and has produced some elite NFL talent esspecially on defense. so that comment is unimportant.

but you cannot deny brandon spikes talent, if so yuour biased. if he had better speed he would be a middle 1st round pick, he will be off the board in the 2nd and he would help us out a great deal.

and "we dont want your gator girls down here in miami" first of all YOU dont live in florida as it says you reside in CO....so your not part of "we".....I am however as I live in Southwest Florida.......and we LOVE having Gators down here.

HurriPhin
02-05-2010, 08:40 PM
and to the comment about the "university of felons" your obviously bitter that the Gators have won 2 national championships in 4 years and has produced some elite NFL talent esspecially on defense. so that comment is unimportant.


and "we dont want your gator girls down here in miami" first of all YOU dont live in florida as it says you reside in CO....so your not part of "we".....I am however as I live in Southwest Florida.......and we LOVE having Gators down here.

Got 5?

I lived in So Flo for 31 years and just moved out to CO 6 months ago. When business is finished in 3 1/2, Ill be back. I'm as every part of "we" as anyone else.

And if Tampa is where you reside, why are a newbie ga8tor hitchhiker instead of a Bulls fan?

TheFloridaDude
02-05-2010, 09:06 PM
Hmmm probably because USF didn't have a football team when I was kid say in 1990 when I started watching football, and I rather die than be a seminole fan....blue and orange runs in my blood.

also tampa is considered west florida or central florida......im actually from tampa but i live in fort myers, swfl.

just because brandon spikes played for florida isn't a reason to dismiss his incredible talent inside...

and being a dolphins and gators fan for 19 years dosen't really put me in the newbie category does it?

Danny
02-05-2010, 09:36 PM
I only read the first few pots but here's my 2 cents....after wasting a first round pick on Jason Allen, I don't ever want us to draft a safety in round one ever again.

Ozzy rules!!

FinaticalOne
02-05-2010, 10:42 PM
There are many ways to address the safety position. The FO made a grave error with playing Gibril Wilson at FS. He's not a FS to begin with, he's a SS that was trying to play FS and that is not an easy task. I'm not defending Wilson, I lost count of how many times I wanted to throw my tv through the wall when Wilson blew his coverage, but he is better served as a SS like back in his NYG days. Everyone knows, or let me rephrase that, everyone should know that a 3-4 defense needs a consistent pass rush from its OLBs to succeed, the 3-4 lives and dies by the way they can apply pressure to the QB. Cameron Wake shows promise, but he will only see the field on obvious passing situations if he does not learn how to read offensive formations. The only experience player we have at the OLB position is an aging player who is on the decline, and on his way out (Joey Porter). J.T. is not a legit OLB, and aside from Jason Ferguson, he was the oldest player on our defense (will be 37 next season). We need an impact OLB who can start from Day One. I like players like Brandon Graham, Jerry Hughes, Koa Misi, Jason Worilds, Eric Norwood, and Cameron Sheffield.

WaxOn WaxOff
02-08-2010, 10:08 PM
What about this draft...

1.) Joe Haden CB UF
2.) Brandon Spikes LB UF
3.) Aaron Hernandez TE UF
4.) Maurkice Pouncy C UF
6a.) Major Wright FS UF
6b.) Jermain Cunningham DE UF
7a.) Riley Cooper WR UF
7b.) Brandon James RB/RS UF

Great! Then we'd have the second best team in the SEC!

TedSlimmJr
02-08-2010, 10:22 PM
Great! Then we'd have the second best team in the SEC!


:rimshot:




:lol:


My sides are splitting...

ckparrothead
02-08-2010, 11:09 PM
Definitely see what you're talking about with Price....if he doesn't make the play with his initial surge...he's cooked....always on the ground....I've never seen him work down the line of scrimmage....it's just his power and penetration is something to behold..."bull" in every sense of the word...

I like Neal too...but he's going to be a 5-tech IMO...he reminds me of a little bit lighter version of Kentwan Balmer as a prospect..

Neal doesn't seem to finish anything off. I wonder if that's a strength issue that can be corrected in the weight room. With that crazy punch off the snap, you'd want to see him finish more plays off with leg drive.

And I tell you what he's not what we're looking for in a nose but Tyson Alualu is one heck of a player. Like a more consistent Mitch King with genuine measurables.

TedSlimmJr
02-08-2010, 11:34 PM
Yeah I like the Mitch King comparison....cat quick....I like Alualu as a prospect too....probably more versatile than King though...

I've seen him play multiple positions also for Cal and line up all over the place...I think Mayock likes him as a 3-Tech and I'd have to agree with that.....although some 3-4 teams might give him some looks at end too...which makes sense being that was his primary position in college....kid definitely brings options with him...along with a motor..

BARF
02-08-2010, 11:39 PM
that gator fan side of yours, has taken over your thought process

ckparrothead
02-09-2010, 12:11 AM
Yeah I like the Mitch King comparison....cat quick....I like Alualu as a prospect too....probably more versatile than King though...

I've seen him play multiple positions also for Cal and line up all over the place...I think Mayock likes him as a 3-Tech and I'd have to agree with that.....although some 3-4 teams might give him some looks at end too...which makes sense being that was his primary position in college....kid definitely brings options with him...along with a motor..

Yeah Alualu has the measurables to be versatile where King could only succeed in certain more rare situations in the NFL...ended up making him just not a very coveted player.

Very deep draft at DT. Probably the deepest position. When you consider that you can get a Nate Collins way down the board, and the kind of athletic versatility that he brings to the table, his coaches think you could even line him up as a pass catcher and he'd do it well he has that kind of natural athlete in him...guys like Doug Worthington, Martin Tevaseu, Jay Ross, Jaron Baston, Geno Atkins and Jeff Owens...all as low as you might find those guys go...it's such a good and deep class you wonder why not go ahead and draft like two of them, and see what they bring you.

Astrosback
02-09-2010, 12:27 AM
Great! Then we'd have the second best team in the SEC!

:lol:

Just be glad I spared us Tim:Tebow in that mock.