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BAMAPHIN 22
02-09-2010, 11:08 AM
A number of studies over the past two decades have shown that religious people tend to be healthier. But a new study suggests that when it comes to heart disease and clogged arteries, attending religious services or having spiritual experiences may not protect against heart attacks and strokes.

This study suggests "there's not a lot of extra burden or extra protection afforded by this particular aspect of people's lives," said Dr. Donald Lloyd-Jones, of the Feinberg School of Medicine, Northwestern University, Chicago, who led the study, published in the journal Circulation.

In their review of data from nearly 5,500 people who were part of another study, Lloyd-Jones and his colleagues one of whom, Matthew Feinstein, is a Northwestern medical student who suggested the research expected to see less risk for heart disease among those with more "religiosity."


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35300562/ns/health-heart_health/

SpurzN703
02-09-2010, 12:31 PM
Wait so the thinking is that if you go to church you're immune to health issues?

rev kev
02-10-2010, 11:06 AM
New International Version (http://niv.scripturetext.com/matthew/5.htm) (1984) (http://biblica.com/)
that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

New Living Translation (http://nlt.scripturetext.com/matthew/5.htm) (2007) (http://www.newlivingtranslation.com/)
In that way, you will be acting as true children of your Father in heaven. For he gives his sunlight to both the evil and the good, and he sends rain on the just and the unjust alike.

Everyone suffers - not everyone suffers for the same reason, but all suffer (John 15)

72champagne
02-10-2010, 11:28 AM
let's wait for moses to get back before we rush to conclusions. in the meantime, help me with this golden calf.
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2010/02/goldencalf-1.jpg

JCane
02-10-2010, 12:04 PM
let's wait for moses to get back before we rush to conclusions. in the meantime, help me with this golden calf.
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2010/02/goldencalf-1.jpg

:lol:

JCane
02-10-2010, 12:05 PM
"I go to Church so God keeps me healthier. Let's go to Cracker Barrel where we can smoke and pour gravy down our throats."

HansMojo
02-10-2010, 01:21 PM
IMHO,there are health benefits to living a spiritual life. However, it obviously doesn't make a person immune to all health problems and I don't think any reasonable person would think otherwise. In the same way, if I exercise on a regular basis, I'm going to have some health benefits from that exercise, but if I also smoke, drink like a fish, and eat fast food most of the time I'm probably going to still experience the kind of problems one has when they smoke, drink like a fish, and eat fast food most of the time. Plus, I have to deal with all my inherited and environmentally influenced issues that are beyond my control. The exercise will counteract some of it, but not all of it. IMHO.

72champagne
02-10-2010, 03:29 PM
IMHO,there are health benefits to living a spiritual life. However, it obviously doesn't make a person immune to all health problems and I don't think any reasonable person would think otherwise. In the same way, if I exercise on a regular basis, I'm going to have some health benefits from that exercise, but if I also smoke, drink like a fish, and eat fast food most of the time I'm probably going to still experience the kind of problems one has when they smoke, drink like a fish, and eat fast food most of the time. Plus, I have to deal with all my inherited and environmentally influenced issues that are beyond my control. The exercise will counteract some of it, but not all of it. IMHO.
there are health benefits to living a spiritual life in the same way as exercising on a regular basis, in your honest opinion mr reasonable person?... stick to the meat, don't put us asleep.

SpurzN703
02-10-2010, 04:17 PM
I could go church right now and see a ton (no pun intended) of whales in there praising the Lord.

Dolphan7
02-10-2010, 07:35 PM
I could go church right now and see a ton (no pun intended) of whales in there praising the Lord.And you could also find many who are suffering from cancer, among other diseases. Our church has lost a few to cancer in the last few years. The point is that sin has it's consequences. In a world full of sin, we would expect to find disease and suffering...and poor health. Having faith in Jesus Christ doesn't remove those consequences in this life....only in the next. Good health and a trouble free life is not guaranteed.

72champagne
02-10-2010, 09:44 PM
i can't bend over quick enough to say thank you for the consequences of this sinful world you designed, mr tyrant. god is great, we suck.... ok, where's my cookie?

rev kev
02-10-2010, 11:30 PM
And you could also find many who are suffering from cancer, among other diseases. Our church has lost a few to cancer in the last few years. The point is that sin has it's consequences. In a world full of sin, we would expect to find disease and suffering...and poor health. Having faith in Jesus Christ doesn't remove those consequences in this life....only in the next. Good health and a trouble free life is not guaranteed.

This is my experience

rev kev
02-10-2010, 11:30 PM
i can't bend over quick enough to say thank you for the consequences of this sinful world you designed, mr tyrant. god is great, we suck.... ok, where's my cookie?

This is sounding a lot more like Princess Filthy Sheets - would you like direction to the right forum?

HansMojo
02-11-2010, 01:20 AM
there are health benefits to living a spiritual life in the same way as exercising on a regular basis, in your honest opinion mr reasonable person?... stick to the meat, don't put us asleep.

Huh? I think you seriously missed my point.

72champagne
02-11-2010, 05:01 AM
This is sounding a lot more like Princess Filthy Sheets - would you like direction to the right forum?
if you had faith the size of a mustard seed you could move me to that 'right forum' with just a twitch of your nose. so get on your knees and beg jesus' help or bugger off.

rev kev
02-11-2010, 10:58 AM
if you had faith the size of a mustard seed you could move me to that 'right forum' with just a twitch of your nose. so get on your knees and beg jesus' help or bugger off.

Your material is stale... And this is a forum for serious discussion...

72champagne
02-11-2010, 11:49 AM
Your material is stale... And this is a forum for serious discussion...your religious myths and the fanatical control freaks it generates are what's stale. there's nothing serious about the preposterous notion spirituality makes you healthier than the heathen.
you don't like what i write, no one is forcing you to read it but yourself. if you can't control yourself, that's not my problem. and i don't give up and throw out lame 'your material is this.., your material is that..', i show exactly how your material is flawed.

rev kev
02-11-2010, 04:07 PM
your religious myths and the fanatical control freaks it generates are what's stale. there's nothing serious about the preposterous notion spirituality makes you healthier than the heathen.
you don't like what i write, no one is forcing you to read it but yourself. if you can't control yourself, that's not my problem. and i don't give up and throw out lame 'your material is this.., your material is that..', i show exactly how your material is flawed.

Still waiting...

New International Version (http://niv.scripturetext.com/matthew/5.htm) (1984) (http://biblica.com/)
that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

New Living Translation (http://nlt.scripturetext.com/matthew/5.htm) (2007) (http://www.newlivingtranslation.com/)
In that way, you will be acting as true children of your Father in heaven. For he gives his sunlight to both the evil and the good, and he sends rain on the just and the unjust alike.

Everyone suffers - not everyone suffers for the same reason, but all suffer (John 15)

X-Pacolypse
02-11-2010, 05:01 PM
"I go to Church so God keeps me healthier. Let's go to Cracker Barrel where we can smoke and pour gravy down our throats."

:lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

That's awesome! Oh man, my ribs hurt so bad. Can't stop laughing.

rev kev
02-12-2010, 11:43 AM
No Christians are not naturally healthier... because many smoke and drink..., and eat their share of red meat... besides...

Matthew 5:45 He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

Still waiting for that "exposing" rebuttal - Champ

Vaark
02-12-2010, 12:26 PM
"Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals dying of nothing." - The late great Redd Foxx ("I'm coming Elizabeth")

Seriously though, as random folks ranging from Norman Cousins to Lou Tice have shown is that positive visualization can go a long way in both conquering and staving off illness. However, it requires a focused concerted commitment. So I can see where some faith-based people, with a positive outlook and afterlife expectation who don't counteract this state of mind through a lack of exercise and unhealthy eating, not to mention a genetic predisposition can remain healthier than the norm. However, I can say the same of heathens like me too who might regularly exercise, watch what we eat and live fulfilled happy lives. More or less I do all that, however, my mother had 3 distinct types of cancer and my father had prostate cancer, so I wouldn't bet the farm on me sidestepping illness either no matter how positive my outlook or healthy my lifestyle.