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cobbs321
03-10-2010, 10:16 AM
Parcells has always been high on drafting olbs in the first round and I think that what we've done this offseason is telling us that that's what he's gonna do. Coming into the offseason we had 5 big needs right? Ilb,olb, nt, fs, and #1 wr. We picked up dansby so mcclain is probably out of the picture now so Ilb is no longer a need now imo. Our fo is pretty much showing that they do not wanna take a fs in the first. We've offered contracts to the top 2 fs's and we almost had one locked up. Resigning Ferguson imo shows that we will probably take an nt in the 2-3 rounds. Have we shown any interest in dez or some other wr in the first and now we have apparently contacted A. Bryant so Idk what we will do with wr in the draft. So that leaves us with one pos. left, olb. Parcells has expressed before that he would like to take one and I would love it if we got brandon graham. Anyone else agree/oppose

j-off-her-doll
03-10-2010, 10:26 AM
It's an interesting position. If D. Bryant is there, I think we consider him.

But, he probably won't be.

We should consider E. Thomas. But, we'll see.

I still think we'll pick up two OLB's in the first four rounds. I think it's either J. Hughes or B. Graham in the 1st.

Orlando Fan
03-10-2010, 11:38 AM
It's an interesting position. If D. Bryant is there, I think we consider him.

But, he probably won't be.

We should consider E. Thomas. But, we'll see.

I still think we'll pick up two OLB's in the first four rounds. I think it's either J. Hughes or B. Graham in the 1st.

Agree it will be a OLB or Earl Thomas at #12

twohype
03-10-2010, 11:52 AM
NT is critical to a 3-4 Defense. Bottomline the Phinz must have a NT or they are simple done and right now they do not have a NT. At the end of last year it was obvious that the DID NOT have a NT on the team and the D was simply crap without Ferg in the middle. NT is the most critical concern right now......so NT Dan Williams is the 1st round pick for the Phinz

52CANES
03-10-2010, 11:54 AM
NT is critical to a 3-4 Defense. Bottomline the Phinz must have a NT or they are simple done and right now they do not have a NT. At the end of last year it was obvious that the DID NOT have a NT on the team and the D was simply crap without Ferg in the middle. NT is the most critical concern right now......so NT Dan Williams is the 1st round pick for the Phinz

We DO have a NT though. He hasn't shown to be all pro yet but... we don't even have 2 OLB starters at all, let alone all pros.

I don't remember the NT being the #1 weakness... I remember TE's cruising around the field like it was flag football and I remember no consistant pass rush.....

We have no one to start at OLB1 or OLB2 or FS.

foozool13
03-10-2010, 11:56 AM
Hope its B. Graham

cobbs321
03-10-2010, 01:03 PM
I think we can jerry Hughes in the 2nd. Who knows, maybe it graham and Hughes will be like what we did last year with vontae and smith

j-off-her-doll
03-10-2010, 01:03 PM
Hughes won't be there in the 2nd. He's the best pass rusher in the draft.

52CANES
03-10-2010, 01:07 PM
Hughes won't be there in the 2nd. He's the best pass rusher in the draft.

Only if one of the top tier teams that run a 3-4 decide to take him. If not he could drop.

skipp2myloo13
03-10-2010, 01:23 PM
Well an good starting SOLB would make less impact than a great saftey. WE can get our Elite safety with 12 and get backers throughout. And Dan Williams isnt an elite NT, he isnt even a real NT. He doesnt do well with double teams, so all but rules him out for 12.

j-off-her-doll
03-10-2010, 01:33 PM
Well an good starting SOLB would make less impact than a great saftey. WE can get our Elite safety with 12 and get backers throughout. And Dan Williams isnt an elite NT, he isnt even a real NT. He doesnt do well with double teams, so all but rules him out for 12.

Agreed.

Options at FS:

1. Pick up a FS before the draft.
2. Draft Thomas or Berry.
3. Pick up a FS that Nolan sees as a fit in the later rounds.

. . .

After Berry and Thomas there aren't any great ball hawks - that I'm seeing. But, maybe there's a guy that fits into the mold of a Ryan Clark. I don't think the FO is seeing that player. If they did, they probably wouldn't have made a serious run at Clark.

. . .

I sincerely doubt we're even considering D. Williams with the 12th pick in the draft.

. . .

The only names I see as serious considerations for the #12 pick are as follows:

E. Berry
E. Thomas
J. Hughes
B. Graham
E. Griffen
D. Bryant
C. Spiller

. . .

It's unlikely that Berry and Bryant are there when we draft, and there's a good chance, too, that Spiller will be off the board.

skipp2myloo13
03-10-2010, 01:36 PM
Agreed.

Options at FS:

1. Pick up a FS before the draft.
2. Draft Thomas or Berry.
3. Pick up a FS that Nolan sees as a fit in the later rounds.

. . .

After Berry and Thomas there aren't any great ball hawks - that I'm seeing. But, maybe there's a guy that fits into the mold of a Ryan Clark. I don't think the FO is seeing that player. If they did, they probably wouldn't have made a serious run at Clark.

. . .

I sincerely doubt we're even considering D. Williams with the 12th pick in the draft.

. . .

The only names I see as serious considerations for the #12 pick are as follows:

E. Berry
E. Thomas
J. Hughes
B. Graham
E. Griffen
D. Bryant
C. Spiller

. . .

It's unlikely that Berry and Bryant are there when we draft, and there's a good chance, too, that Spiller will be off the board.

Spot on, but Hughes is a little too Weak side for me.

j-off-her-doll
03-10-2010, 01:36 PM
Only if one of the top tier teams that run a 3-4 decide to take him. If not he could drop.

If we can get Thomas/Graham/Griffen in the 1st and then Hughes in the 2nd, we'll have all but cemented our case for best draft in 2010. I think a lot of teams are playing possum in regard to Hughes. He evokes D. Ware comparisons.

hemidemon
03-10-2010, 01:47 PM
Forget about Miami drafting Dez. The guy is a head case. BP won't go for that. If Miami drafted Dez they would also have to hire a guy full time to keep him out of trouble and make sure he shows up to meetings on time. He also hired Crabtrees agent. We all know how that went last year.

j-off-her-doll
03-10-2010, 01:48 PM
Spot on, but Hughes is a little too Weak side for me.

He is WOLB. But, he's still the best pass rusher in the draft, and as much as I want Wake to be the guy, I don't know that he's going to be a 3-down OLB. It'd probably make more sense to draft Graham or Griffen and then get WOLB in the 2nd or 3rd (assuming we're drafting OLB in the 1st). But, if the Dolphins have Hughes as the BPA at OLB, I think you go BPA. If the Dolphins have Graham and Hughes rated about the same, I think you go Graham and look to draft your WOLB in the 2nd or 3rd.

52CANES
03-10-2010, 04:27 PM
He is WOLB. But, he's still the best pass rusher in the draft, and as much as I want Wake to be the guy, I don't know that he's going to be a 3-down OLB. It'd probably make more sense to draft Graham or Griffen and then get WOLB in the 2nd or 3rd (assuming we're drafting OLB in the 1st). But, if the Dolphins have Hughes as the BPA at OLB, I think you go BPA. If the Dolphins have Graham and Hughes rated about the same, I think you go Graham and look to draft your WOLB in the 2nd or 3rd.

If we don't sign a FA safety or NT, and don't draft FS or NT in 1st round, at LEAST 1 has to be addressed in 2nd and 3rd... unless Hughes is still there then I think you've got to take him.

lotion
03-10-2010, 05:22 PM
Hope its B. Graham

Me too.

dlcmdr
03-10-2010, 05:28 PM
And whats the thrill about it.??

The only player worth something in Parcells era in the cowboys was demarcus ware and even that was a jerry jones pick because Parcells thought Ware was a thugh and spears was better.

39wildman
03-10-2010, 07:55 PM
NT is critical to a 3-4 Defense. Bottomline the Phinz must have a NT or they are simple done and right now they do not have a NT. At the end of last year it was obvious that the DID NOT have a NT on the team and the D was simply crap without Ferg in the middle. NT is the most critical concern right now......so NT Dan Williams is the 1st round pick for the Phinz
we were bad all yr long in 4th quart. we gave game away

hooshoops
03-10-2010, 08:03 PM
am i mistaken or in the mike nolan defensive scenario that ck put together wasn't brandon graham playing the weakside olb role??? or did i read that wrong??? same thing that jerry hughes would play...

got to go back and read that again...that was good stuff