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FinAtic8480
03-11-2010, 03:51 PM
12. Miami Dolphins
Jared Odrick, DT, Penn State

Miami got some bad news when Jason Ferguson (http://www.nfl.com/players/jasonferguson/profile?id=FER162060) was suspended for eight games (http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d816cccc3&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true), not to mention he's old and coming off injury. Odrick can play anywhere up front and they could slide someone else to the nose and play him at the five technique. He has the size (6-5, 305) and the motor Bill Parcells loves.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d816d8732&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true&campaign=Ext_email_NL0311

The fact players like Marshall & Kindle are getting more love than Odrick is crazy. I have loved the way this guy plays since the Senior Bowl. At the combine he was awesome & I hope Miami picks him. I know what you all are gonna say, he is a DE. I don't care, Langford & Merling have been solid, but not great. Fins can double up at the position like they have done in the past & take a NT in the 3rd or 4th. Odrick could be great.

#1dolphinsfan
03-11-2010, 03:53 PM
that is way to early for him i wouldnt like that pick at all at the 12th spot if we traded down into the mid 20's fine but at 12 no way. i also dont think that Thomas, or Tate will be taken above Dez Bryant and if the coachs did that that wouldnt be smart at all. and i also dont see JPP falling that far that is a bad mock IMO.

dolfans34
03-11-2010, 03:59 PM
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2010/03/thursday-afternoon-notes-on-the-dolphins.html

emeraldfin
03-11-2010, 04:00 PM
Dez dropping to 27!!!!!

FinAtic8480
03-11-2010, 04:00 PM
I love the Odrick pick at 12, im sorry. Starks & Odrick at DE on running downs would help Soliai alot. I just love the pick.

Guys alot of people are starting to say Dez will drop out of the first. If he falls to 43 then I have no problem drafting him, but not at 12.

Danny
03-11-2010, 04:05 PM
No way we take him at 12.......not even sure he can play the nose and there's no need to go DE at 12...the pick has to be OLB or Safety and Parcells don't like taking safeties in round one so do the math.

Ozzy rules!!

ckparrothead
03-11-2010, 04:18 PM
Now that...smells like something Kirwan has heard.

NRA
03-11-2010, 04:21 PM
nope...nope.....and NOPE!!

you dont spend the #12 pic on a guy you HOPE can play a position.
there are many pro bowl DT's in the nfl who have OPENLY SAID they
wouldnt want to play nose tackle.

you are constently beat up on EVERY play. you have to have OUTSTANDING
leverage and TOP strength. NT is one of the hardest positions not only to
play, but to find in the nfl.

williams, oderick, etc..... have NEVER played NT. sure, guys have been DT's
before and made it, but they were usually not drafted with INTENT of them
being a NT. most of the time a team will try a guy or two and IF they show
some promise they will give them reps. and OCCASIONALY, one or two pan
out in camp.

but the VAST MAJORITY of dt's NEVER pan out as NT's.

that being said, unless a player has had CONSIDERABLE time and production
at the NT position, you DONT DRAFT THEM AT #12!!!!!

the finz taking ANY dt in this draft at #12 with intent to play him at NT is
absolutely rediculous!!!! its draft suicide!!

FinAtic8480
03-11-2010, 04:25 PM
Nobody is saying he is gonna play NT on everydown. If anything he will be a DE/NT hybrid. With Ordrick Starks would not need to kick inside on passing downs like the past two years. Ordrick turn into that guy now. On run downs you now have Ordrick & Starks on the outside with Soliai in the middle. Miami does not have to draft a NT early. This draft is loaded with them.

It is said to be the best NT draft in years.

PhinPhan910
03-11-2010, 04:32 PM
Hell no.

These are the positions we need more than DE:
NT
OLB
FS
WR
HB
TE
CB
ILB
RT
C
OG
P


Hey, I understand the theory of drafting the BPA, but odrick is not even close.

NRA
03-11-2010, 04:33 PM
OLB or Safety and Parcells don't like taking safeties in round one so do the math



THATS ALL fine and doodly DANNY, but MIKE NOLAN is picking HIS players for HIS
defensive scheme, not bill parcells. he is NOT running bill parcells scheme. the
only thing there schemes have in common is they both prefer and feature the
3-4. and just like the 4-3, there are MANY different variations of the 3-4.

like nick saban and bill billichek, nolan occasionally likes to throw in some 4-3
to shake things up, to provide more looks. [which is why BRANDON GRAHAM
makes the most sense for us at #12 as he can walk up as a legit DE in a 4-3
look and then go back to play his olb spot].

all the "parcells would or wouldnt do this or that" doesnt hold much water as
he has stated he would let his coaches and staff run there draft and his coaches
can coach as they wish with there schemes.

and so far, i see him at his word. so why people keep saying this kind of thing
all the time is beyond me.

everyone needs to start thinking about what kind of players MIKE NOLAN likes
and NOT bill parcells when talking defense.

ColonelJ
03-11-2010, 04:34 PM
I like the mock in that Eric Berry is dropping to Cleveland at 7. Cleveland may have many more needs than we do and maybe willing to trade for more picks. Trading up from 12 to 7 is not too costly and we could get a premier safety. Odrick is a solid pick.

Jdub561
03-11-2010, 04:35 PM
How about A TRUE NT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE 3-4....Good god

foozool13
03-11-2010, 04:38 PM
We will take a OLB at #12....Brandon Graham

j-off-her-doll
03-11-2010, 04:46 PM
Odrick was the 2nd best player I saw at the Senior Bowl practices. The best was B. Graham. Graham would also make more sense in terms of need.

I love Odrick . . . I just don't love him that much.

NRA
03-11-2010, 04:51 PM
Miami does not have to draft a NT early. This draft is loaded with them.

FINATIC8480: miami may or may not "need" to take an nt early, but you are
DEAD WRONG about there being this mass amount of NT's in this draft. if
you watch the nfl shows or listen to nfl sirius, this is one of the THINNEST YEARS
at bonafide NT in a while. the ONLY bonafide NT in this draft is TERRANCE CODY
weather people like him or not.

in fact, sirius nfl was talking about this very issue this morning. its a BAD year
for NT's and the only bonafide one is cody [who is sheding mass weight and
looked great at his pro day. his belly has NOTICABLY shrank. they said after
seeing his obvious commitment to getting the weight off, hiring a nutritionist
and working with a cardio workout specialist to help with his endurance, gm's
are saying he is shooting up boards and before he was widely considered a
hi second round pic. now what will he be by draft day weighing even less?

i am not saying the finz should or would, but if ANY team picking hi in the first
is bent on taking a NT, then they should go with the real deal, TERRANCE CODY,
and not some hopeful DT who has never done it. dan williams could only do 22
reps at the combine and has NEVER played nt. why take him? [as many want to]

i myself wouldnt mind a bit if they took cody at #12. i think he is the one who comes in, gets into the rotation and after his first year of 2 a days and parcells work out and
strength programs, by next year, with another off season and training camp work
outs, he gets the full time NT job and DOMINATES for years.

he is strong as an ox now! can you imagine him after 2 years of parcells vaunted
weight and workout program?

like i said, if a team is BENT on a NT and feels its ther biggest need and they are drafting hi, they better take the surest thing, and thats cody, not some DT hopeful.

NRA
03-11-2010, 04:53 PM
FOOZOOL13: i like the way your thinking!

i have this feeling that unless one of the big safety's or dez is
there at #12, brandon graham will be the pic. just have this
feeling. and he just may be the guy anyways weather those guys
are there or not!!

BG would make my draft day for sure.

rrrrphin
03-11-2010, 04:59 PM
i'm not going to comaplin about anyone that will be a solid contributer for the next 7-8 years.... i may have my own prefernces but i think Odrick is solid.

thejetssuck
03-11-2010, 05:06 PM
If we pass up Dez Bryant for Jared Odrick, I am going to be PISSED!!!:badmood:

j-off-her-doll
03-11-2010, 05:14 PM
Would much rather draft Odrick than D. Williams.

But, this has us passing on:

B. Graham
D. Bryant
C. Spiller
E. Griffen

along with every other OLB.

Don't hate the pick. This scenario has Hughes falling to the 2nd, but I find that far fetched. But, it doesn't make a ton of sense to me unless we have Odrick as that much better than the aforementioned options.

j-off-her-doll
03-11-2010, 05:18 PM
Also, Kirwan has E. Griffen going to the Jets as a DE . . . He'd be a steal . . . but I'm pretty sure they'd move him to OLB. I just don't get the feeling that Kirwan is 'in the know' on this one.

j-off-her-doll
03-11-2010, 05:22 PM
FinAtic, questions for you:

Do you feel that Odrick is better than Graham? Do you feel that DE/NT (I do think Odrick can do a little of both) is a position of greater need than OLB? If you answered YES to both (wouldn't agree with either), what do you propose we do at OLB?

normaniii
03-11-2010, 05:49 PM
No

ColonelJ
03-11-2010, 05:55 PM
Do you feel that Odrick is better than Graham?

J, if I may answer the question: Graham is a better choice because I am fairly confident that we can land Cam Thomas in the second. The difference between the two is slight. Thomas is a pusher, and good one. Cam Thomas does not have a move to swing around the blocker. Odrick does. But i would be happy with Cam Thomas in the second if we can land Graham, who is just a wonderful pass rusher.

3rdandinches
03-11-2010, 06:08 PM
PK and T.Ryan are doing another mock on Sirius right now.

D.Thomas WR (1st receiver off the board) to Jac at 10

E.Thomas FS to Miami

Clipse
03-11-2010, 06:39 PM
No. Odrick is a great talent but picking a 3-4 DE would be incredibly stupid... It's our deepest position on the team... Too bad though because there's a 90% chance the Patriots select him and I think Odrick will be a great 3-4 DE in the NFL.

PALMA
03-11-2010, 07:06 PM
This draft is full of quality prospects. I believe strongly that they'll go OLB at #12 unless some player that they really covet falls by accident to them.

I'm in huge favor of moving back a few slots, still grabbing a Graham, Griffin, Byrant, or Spiller, while acquiring an extra 3rd or 2nd rounder.

MP-Omnis
03-11-2010, 10:17 PM
Odrick would be sweet if we traded down.

TheBow305
03-11-2010, 11:44 PM
No thanks. And you can throw Kirwin into the mix with Bucky Brooks as NFL.com writers that have no idea what they are doing with Mock Drafts. All you needed to see is Dez at 27 to know how terrible it is.

In fact, seeing Kirwin mock Odrick at 12 makes me that much more confident he WON'T be the pick. :thanks:

NRA
03-12-2010, 03:01 AM
Odrick would be sweet if we traded down.


REALLY? doing what?

as R&R so elequently put it, oderick is a DE in a 3-4 scheme and we have
plenty of those. its not any hi need at all. he isnt a NT. he is not a WR.

so why would you want him? what would you have him play?

ColonelJ
03-12-2010, 03:09 AM
Odrick can be very helpful to our team. Many times, our D goes nickel with 2 DLs. In those situations we often play two of the following: Merling, Langford, Starks, Soliai; but only two of those. Then, one of those DLs is usually doubled while the other is singled. The DL who is single guarded does not create enough pressure. Cam Thomas would add youth but not much of any new skill to the position. Odrick would bring something different imo.

ryanENGLISH0
03-12-2010, 06:39 AM
I like how some on here are calling Kirwin "crazy" for this mock draft. Realistically though, this was one of the better drafts i've seen. Everyone knows that BP likes to build the trenches up first thing. Dez could very likely fall to number 27. He hasnt played in almost a year, didnt work out at the combine. Any Dolfans of no knowledge of football is gonna hate this pick because they want to see us get a flashy player. Dont get your hopes up. BP and co. will draft the player they like, not the player the fans like. Get over it.

P.S. in 2007 draft, if Kirwin had a mock with us passing on B.Quinn at 9 for Ted Ginn, and B. Quinn falling to number 22, i have the feeling some on here would of been calling Kirwin crazy.

j-off-her-doll
03-12-2010, 09:36 AM
I like how some on here are calling Kirwin "crazy" for this mock draft. Realistically though, this was one of the better drafts i've seen. Everyone knows that BP likes to build the trenches up first thing. Dez could very likely fall to number 27. He hasnt played in almost a year, didnt work out at the combine. Any Dolfans of no knowledge of football is gonna hate this pick because they want to see us get a flashy player. Dont get your hopes up. BP and co. will draft the player they like, not the player the fans like. Get over it.

P.S. in 2007 draft, if Kirwin had a mock with us passing on B.Quinn at 9 for Ted Ginn, and B. Quinn falling to number 22, i have the feeling some on here would of been calling Kirwin crazy.

Same questions for you:


FinAtic, questions for you:

Do you feel that Odrick is better than Graham? Do you feel that DE/NT (I do think Odrick can do a little of both) is a position of greater need than OLB? If you answered YES to both (wouldn't agree with either), what do you propose we do at OLB?

TheBow305
03-12-2010, 11:35 AM
I like how some on here are calling Kirwin "crazy" for this mock draft. Realistically though, this was one of the better drafts i've seen. Everyone knows that BP likes to build the trenches up first thing. Dez could very likely fall to number 27. He hasnt played in almost a year, didnt work out at the combine. Any Dolfans of no knowledge of football is gonna hate this pick because they want to see us get a flashy player. Dont get your hopes up. BP and co. will draft the player they like, not the player the fans like. Get over it.

P.S. in 2007 draft, if Kirwin had a mock with us passing on B.Quinn at 9 for Ted Ginn, and B. Quinn falling to number 22, i have the feeling some on here would of been calling Kirwin crazy.

I also called the Ted Ginn pick. But I don't see us picking Odrick at all.

NRA
03-12-2010, 07:10 PM
Odrick can be very helpful to our team. Many times, our D goes nickel with 2 DLs. In those situations we often play two of the following: Merling, Langford, Starks, Soliai; but only two of those.


SO YOUR SAYING that we should spend the #12 over all for a part time, situational player who may come in or nor for a handfull of reps a game?

whover we choose, no matter what position, the tri better believe that the player
is going to be on the field the MAJORITY of the game and has a VERY HI probability
of coming in and starting by game 1.

you NEVER take a guy that hi in the draft who is a situational player, prospect or
hopeful conversion type. NEVER!! 3rd round? yes. hi 1st round? ABSURD!!!!

yes! oderick is a great player. he is just one we dont need, expecially at the #12
over all pick.

jlfin
03-12-2010, 07:18 PM
SO YOUR SAYING that we should spend the #12 over all for a part time, situational player who may come in or nor for a handfull of reps a game?

whover we choose, no matter what position, the tri better believe that the player
is going to be on the field the MAJORITY of the game and has a VERY HI probability
of coming in and starting by game 1.

you NEVER take a guy that hi in the draft who is a situational player, prospect or
hopeful conversion type. NEVER!! 3rd round? yes. hi 1st round? ABSURD!!!!

yes! oderick is a great player. he is just one we dont need, expecially at the #12
over all pick.

Many things can happen between now and when the Phins are on the clock.
For example, including a Merling or Langford in a package to acquire Brandon Marshall. Or perhaps trading one of the 2 for a draft pick,
In a scenario like that, it wouldn't surprise me to see them pick him at 12. I understand that the coaching staff was very high on him at the Sr bowl.

j-off-her-doll
03-12-2010, 07:18 PM
SO YOUR SAYING that we should spend the #12 over all for a part time, situational player who may come in or nor for a handfull of reps a game?

whover we choose, no matter what position, the tri better believe that the player
is going to be on the field the MAJORITY of the game and has a VERY HI probability
of coming in and starting by game 1.

you NEVER take a guy that hi in the draft who is a situational player, prospect or
hopeful conversion type. NEVER!! 3rd round? yes. hi 1st round? ABSURD!!!!

yes! oderick is a great player. he is just one we dont need, expecially at the #12
over all pick.

We could do a lot worse, but I'm inclined to agree.