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Conuficus
03-16-2010, 12:06 PM
http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports/columnists/hyde/blog/2010/03/analyzing_the_dolphins_draft_w.html


As for the main bulk of this week’s blog, I thought the three of us would go back and replicate something I did a year ago which was go through, position by position and look at the players that have impressed or disappointed us through the year and highlight a few names that the non-draft heads might not have heard too much about. All three of us have chosen players from four categories:

1) Players we like.
2) Players we think are overrated.
3) Sleepers.
4) Players for next year and beyond.
All of it is relative to the Dolphins and I’ll try and narrate our way through each category and each position, with verbatim quotes from each. We haven’t done the specialists and the fullbacks, so apologies to fans of those groups. We’ve tried to embrace the Twitter mantra of keeping the information to under 140 characters for each player, so here goes:

j-off-her-doll
03-16-2010, 12:22 PM
Love the Byers pick. Easily one of my top-5 players from Senior Bowl practices.

j-off-her-doll
03-16-2010, 12:34 PM
Found myself agreeing with each of you at different points.

Fun write up.

As for positions of interest:

Hughes and Graham are my two picks at OLB, and I couldn't complain with either.
I've loved Thomas at FS.
And, Odrick is the only "NT" I can see us drafting in the 1st - because he can do more than just NT and because he's actually a great player (unlike D. Williams).

ckparrothead
03-16-2010, 12:43 PM
This one is a real enjoyable read. All three of us contributed to it and it was tied together really beautifully by Simon. Some folks have expressed a little distaste for how our Sun Sentinel contributions read out a little encyclopedic...but this one I think is more fun to read in addition to being informative.

hooshoops
03-16-2010, 12:44 PM
good stuff guys...i seem to be in agreement with ck an awful lot on these players...

if you take brandon spikes out of the equation... :lol:

well done...

j-off-her-doll
03-16-2010, 12:52 PM
This one is a real enjoyable read. All three of us contributed to it and it was tied together really beautifully by Simon. Some folks have expressed a little distaste for how our Sun Sentinel contributions read out a little encyclopedic...but this one I think is more fun to read in addition to being informative.

I agree that this is a very good read, but I would have to disagree with the complaints against the other articles. By the way, you doing any more pieces on Nolan's D?

newlownorder
03-16-2010, 12:59 PM
great article, I love Worlids in the mid rounds. If Miami does not address FS before the draft I think we go Earl Thomas, he's too much of a play maker at his age to pass up.

Dogbone34
03-16-2010, 01:00 PM
my favorite weekly draft column by far

Markcalius
03-16-2010, 01:08 PM
Fascinating read. I really look forward to your guys' articles.

Might want to find a synonym for "plumped" though. That stood out a bit. :)

JCfinfan
03-16-2010, 01:47 PM
By the way, was just over on the Universal Draft site and Boomers Mock Draft is up today. Check it out.

TedSlimmJr
03-16-2010, 02:01 PM
That....

...was an enjoyable read.....I found myself not being able to "skim" over one single paragraph...

Excellent job by Boom to tie all of your individual thoughts together.....knew exactly when to go into detail and when to just leave it to your own imagination....

The first one that comes to their senses and realizes Clausen is superior to Bradford gets my vote....:lol:

Great job...

BobDole
03-16-2010, 02:38 PM
great read fellas. well done.

the only thing i would disagree with is haden being an overrated prospect. i think boomer got thrown off too much by his slow 40 time. he is by far the best CB prospect in this class. as far as speed goes - i don't know what happened in his 40 - but the kid's a burner. he was notorious at florida for purposely letting receivers go by him - waiting for the QB to see it - and exploding off the field to make a play.

while he's certainly not the biggest DB ever - he is crazy physical. great form tackler and excellent blitzer. he does all the little things well that you'd want from a corner. his smaller stature and intense physicality remind me a lot of sam madison.

we don't have a need there - but if we did he would absolutely be my choice at 12.

hooshoops
03-16-2010, 02:40 PM
agreed on haden :up:

ckparrothead
03-16-2010, 02:55 PM
great read fellas. well done.

the only thing i would disagree with is haden being an overrated prospect. i think boomer got thrown off too much by his slow 40 time. he is by far the best CB prospect in this class. as far as speed goes - i don't know what happened in his 40 - but the kid's a burner. he was notorious at florida for purposely letting receivers go by him - waiting for the QB to see it - and exploding off the field to make a play.

while he's certainly not the biggest DB ever - he is crazy physical. great form tackler and excellent blitzer. he does all the little things well that you'd want from a corner. his smaller stature and intense physicality remind me a lot of sam madison.

we don't have a need there - but if we did he would absolutely be my choice at 12.

Trust me when I say that we all had questions about Haden way before he ran a slow 40 time.

BobDole
03-16-2010, 03:04 PM
Trust me when I say that we all had questions about Haden way before he ran a slow 40 time.

would love to hear you elaborate on this one. kid's got everything you'd want in a CB if you ask me. the only major knock i can think of was that he played in a stacked secondary with 3 safeties - so he almost always had help over the top - and he knew that. but besides that - the hips, fluidity, instincts, awareness, explosion, aggression, etc ... it's all there.

ROADRUNNER
03-16-2010, 03:21 PM
once again good work guys...........

BillParFan
03-16-2010, 03:57 PM
This one is a real enjoyable read. All three of us contributed to it and it was tied together really beautifully by Simon. Some folks have expressed a little distaste for how our Sun Sentinel contributions read out a little encyclopedic...but this one I think is more fun to read in addition to being informative.

Unlike other sports writer that offer opinion I find myself reading every word offered by Simon and yourself.

You both are very thorough and most important(and valuable IMO), provide context for your analysis.

:thanks:

ckparrothead
03-16-2010, 04:08 PM
Thanks for the kind words guys. I spent a pretty good amount of time re-scrolling through tape to make sure every single prospect was fresh in my mind when I made a comment about him, and I tried to make my comments extremely brief, and to the point.

As a matter of fact, I kept them to Twitter length, 140 characters. :)

j-off-her-doll
03-16-2010, 04:16 PM
Reading your collective thoughts on Bryant reminded me how much I like him. I've been in a draft-defense mode. Said many times that I trust Nolan to utilize the players we give him a great deal more than I trust Henning. Also, I don't think we'll have an elite offense as long as Henning is our OC.

But, Bryant is a better prospect than Crabtree, and it's not close. If I had to liken him to current NFL players, he reminds me of a player someone between a young TO and a healthy Boldin. He has a thrashing running style that makes him appear almost impossible to tackle. I'm hesitant to entrust him to Henning, but if he's there at #12, he'll be difficult to pass.

ckparrothead
03-16-2010, 04:33 PM
Dan Henning is probably the guy in that room that is giving the most resistance to Dez Bryant's selection. I'm not saying he's right or wrong, just that getting a high profile WR doesn't seem to be his style, and if anyone is going to be wary of even the perception that Dez is a me-type, it's Henning.

j-off-her-doll
03-16-2010, 04:48 PM
I don't think you need a WR like Dez to have an elite offense. Give the choice between Andre Johnson and an upper-level OC, I'd take the OC. Look at the Saints. Colston is a very good WR, but he wasn't essential to that offense. Henning is a boob. I'm hoping we can make a Nolan-eque signing for our offense next season.

2413fanphins
03-16-2010, 05:28 PM
I don't think you need a WR like Dez to have an elite offense. Give the choice between Andre Johnson and an upper-level OC, I'd take the OC. Look at the Saints. Colston is a very good WR, but he wasn't essential to that offense. Henning is a boob. I'm hoping we can make a Nolan-eque signing for our offense next season.



I think it goes without saying that if every team had a drew brees and an obviously pass happy offense, they'd take an OC.

however, if it's between an OC and an andre johnson. I'll take andre. thats a once in a franchises lifetime chance.

I keep coming back to the norv turner hire for OC back in the day.
I think we've had a few OC's that could be considered above average. But we haven't really had the dominant #1 WR. I see your point to an extent, but have to respectfully disagree. I still want my #1 Wr.

matt11390
03-16-2010, 05:47 PM
Fascinating read. I really look forward to your guys' articles.

Might want to find a synonym for "plumped" though. That stood out a bit. :)

Yeah, plumped is a little weird sounding :chuckle:

Boomer
03-16-2010, 06:41 PM
great read fellas. well done.

the only thing i would disagree with is haden being an overrated prospect. i think boomer got thrown off too much by his slow 40 time. he is by far the best CB prospect in this class. as far as speed goes - i don't know what happened in his 40 - but the kid's a burner. he was notorious at florida for purposely letting receivers go by him - waiting for the QB to see it - and exploding off the field to make a play.

while he's certainly not the biggest DB ever - he is crazy physical. great form tackler and excellent blitzer. he does all the little things well that you'd want from a corner. his smaller stature and intense physicality remind me a lot of sam madison.

we don't have a need there - but if we did he would absolutely be my choice at 12.

Thanks Bob. To be fair, I've been down on Haden for a long time. The slow forty time was almost inconsequential to my thoughts about Joe, although I knew it was coming.

Boomer
03-16-2010, 06:42 PM
Unlike other sports writer that offer opinion I find myself reading every word offered by Simon and yourself.

You both are very thorough and most important(and valuable IMO), provide context for your analysis.

:thanks:

Thanks mate. Don't forget Richard though. He's the glue that holds us all together.

Boomer
03-16-2010, 06:43 PM
Yeah, plumped is a little weird sounding :chuckle:

LOL. It's an English-ism.

rrrrphin
03-16-2010, 09:46 PM
Thanks as always guys. great piece.

if this were matchdotcom, i would be dating richard. he's likes and dislikes were eerily similar to mine.

Conuficus
03-16-2010, 10:21 PM
Thanks as always guys. great piece.

if this were matchdotcom, i would be dating richard. he's likes and dislikes were eerily similar to mine.

I'm not quite sure I know how to take that......:lol:

Dogbone34
03-16-2010, 10:40 PM
it's looking less likely that daryl washington will be falling to #43. i was looking at him or tyson aluala in the 2nd. get dez in the 1st, major wright in the 3rd and john jerry in the 4th.

hooshoops
03-16-2010, 10:48 PM
LOL. It's an English-ism.

leave it in england... :hi5:

Farmer
03-17-2010, 01:33 PM
as many said, great write up.

i'm not sure what 'plumped' means and for some reason my mind takes it to sexual meaning. 'i plumped her good'

PhinsTD
03-17-2010, 06:05 PM
This one is a real enjoyable read. All three of us contributed to it and it was tied together really beautifully by Simon. Some folks have expressed a little distaste for how our Sun Sentinel contributions read out a little encyclopedic...but this one I think is more fun to read in addition to being informative.

Let me just speak for myself, and say, that I LOVE that they're encyclopedic. I can get an "interesting" read that simply regurgitates what I already know, or is mainstream opinion, or is repeated over and over again by every talking head anywhere I want.

It isn't as easy to get Dolphins centric information with a clear rationale, and film study to back it up. I don't agree with every word, and I don't think I'm meant to, since that is the beauty of your guys' write-ups: it allows for a person to have inciteful information to draw a meaningful and informed conclusion. What more would a person want?

That said, I enjoyed this piece very much, and found myself wanting to watch McGaha(spelling) and the NT from Virginia Tech, as I had not scouted him before.

Kudos to you guys for the time and insight.

PhinsTD
03-17-2010, 06:07 PM
That....

...was an enjoyable read.....I found myself not being able to "skim" over one single paragraph...

Excellent job by Boom to tie all of your individual thoughts together.....knew exactly when to go into detail and when to just leave it to your own imagination....

The first one that comes to their senses and realizes Clausen is superior to Bradford gets my vote....:lol:

Great job...

Precisely. I actually read it twice, just so I could digest it fully.

ckparrothead
03-17-2010, 06:08 PM
Thanks man. One thing to watch about McGaha, look for instances where defenders try and press him at the line or bump him.

He's the best player I saw all year, maybe even better than Dez Bryant, at dealing with the press and bump. Simon brought up his hands, but I think his hands could improve especially now that he's got his vision corrected. What REALLY gets me is his combination of size, strength and leg explosion, and how it makes him unjammable.

PhinsTD
03-17-2010, 06:13 PM
Thanks man. One thing to watch about McGaha, look for instances where defenders try and press him at the line or bump him.

He's the best player I saw all year, maybe even better than Dez Bryant, at dealing with the press and bump. Simon brought up his hands, but I think his hands could improve especially now that he's got his vision corrected. What REALLY gets me is his combination of size, strength and leg explosion, and how it makes him unjammable.

Interesting. I obviously do not spend the time that you guys do on this, and had not considered him. He sounds like a prospect that fits what we are looking for if we don't take one early.

PALMA
03-18-2010, 01:26 AM
Dan Henning is probably the guy in that room that is giving the most resistance to Dez Bryant's selection. I'm not saying he's right or wrong, just that getting a high profile WR doesn't seem to be his style, and if anyone is going to be wary of even the perception that Dez is a me-type, it's Henning.

That's a very good point. I imagine he and perhaps Parcells are advocating drafting a Tight End instead.....and going the OLB route at #12 with the big IF of Bryant being there.

ckparrothead
03-18-2010, 02:07 AM
I agree. I could see Parcells and Henning lobbying for exactly that.

But, the bottom line is Jeff Ireland is this team's GM, not Bill Parcells. He will make the call, and he disagrees with Bill about prospects all the time. Bill set him up to be the guy that makes the call, it's even in Jeff's contract. He didn't want a puppet, he genuinely wanted to set Miami up for the present and future with guys we could trust. What's going to matter is what Tony Sparano thinks of Dez Bryant when he steps in that interview room with him, and what Jeff Ireland thinks about Dez based on his research.

As Boomer once shared, at the beginning of the Combine when Jeff Ireland did that press conference, that was a big point of contention between he and Bill Parcells. Parcells didn't want him to do it, didn't want him answering questions about our personnel strategy. He wanted Sparano to do it. Ireland disagreed, thought that Sparano doesn't have business doing a press conference about personnel because Sparano's not head of that, he is.

Point being?

Jeff Ireland did the press conference.

Awsi Dooger
03-18-2010, 03:51 AM
That was easily my favorite. It reminded me of the radio sports talk shows I've been on in Las Vegas. At some point you've got to step back and realize the audience desperately wants opinion, more than analysis. They can bet on opinion. In this case they can match opinion with their own. Names the Dolphins have talked to are like that dosage index theory in horse racing; it blankets far more than it leaves out, so naturally the result makes it look like more of a factor than Pat Cash actual.

* Clausen to Jeff George is terrific. I wish I had thought of that stew. A wow play followed by a mind boggling flailed gaffe. But Clausen is markedly more competitive, which gives him a chance

* Suh to Jerome Brown is also excellent. Most disruptive since Brown or Sapp, who wasn't as consistent, and on weaker teams than Brown so more prone to doubling. I have dozens of Canes tapes. When Dorsey was hyped two years ago I could comfortably dismiss him as weaker than a half dozen Canes interior linemen. Not so with Suh. Special player.

* I loved Chris' summation that Berry has been the best at every level. That's always a keeper reference. Berry reminds me of Kenny Easley, a forgotten superstar. Not as rangy but a bit more physical. I haven't compared anyone to Easley in 20 years, do da.

* I'll go alone in believing Dez is somewhat overstated, and not as good as Crabtree. He lacks the play to play athletic arrogance of Crabtree. Dez also has spotty hands. I thought so all along, particularly evident on low balls, and confirmed in that skills competition. He was working three times as hard as elite hands guys do in the rapid fire drill. When I doubt guys like that, I'm wrong. That's why I dabble in Las Vegas and not as pilot. Can you imagine needing 100% lifetime, or you're a charred villain. Not for me, on ginger ale or this.

There's a big chance Dez is our pick but I'd prefer Thomas. I'll always remember the comfort of Jake Scott back there, running the deep ballroom from day one. Opposition daggers long gone, and our devastating reversals getting warmed up. All we need is modern day Poly Turf, synthetic grass from American Biltrite. And $4 parking. Doral charged $25 last week, like human divots. They deserved a two iron to the jaw. Two irons are mostly laying around these days, anyway, looking for work.

It was a grand Irish evening. Cane shirt for green. Tomorrow, driver and wedge for green. Likely the blasted bunker.

Pat-London
03-18-2010, 04:38 AM
[quote=ckparrothead;1063368915]Some folks have expressed a little distaste for how our Sun Sentinel contributions read out a little encyclopedic...quote]

encyclopedic.. haha, love it. This sort of information is just not out there so I crave it every week. Outstanding work the three of you.

Pinkboy
03-18-2010, 09:39 AM
* I loved Chris' summation that Berry has been the best at every level. That's always a keeper reference. Berry reminds me of Kenny Easley, a forgotten superstar. Not as rangy but a bit more physical. I haven't compared anyone to Easley in 20 years, do da.

Berry doesn't remind me of Easley as much of some others.

The guy Eric Berry reminds me of when I watch him play is a young Ronnie Lott.

To a tee.

And yes that article was outstanding work.. Kudos to the 3 of you for the information you provide.

Aqua and Orange
03-18-2010, 10:36 AM
Great post as always. Very interesting to read the differing views on Cam Thomas. I personally am a fan of his, but could see how he could be judged from differing angles.

Well done.

No1Phinatic
03-20-2010, 08:55 PM
You guys do an awesome job giving insightful analysis. Don't know why I never picked up on your actual site until today but I have been reading your stuff in Dave Hyde's blog and loving it. I have to ask at the risk of making you repeat what you may have already said but is Odrick really going to be a possibility at 12 and do you think he really has a shot at success as NT? Seems like talk is about Morgan/Odrick/Thomas as 1st round targets. Is Dez Bryant or Spiller even being discussed by team? Thanks for sharing all your work with us.

ckparrothead
03-20-2010, 11:31 PM
I think that Odrick is a possibility. They want dynamic people along that defensive line at their end spots. They ask a LOT of those guys. You have to be first and foremost a stout run defender that can keep an offensive linemen completely uncomfortable by being strong and using your hands to beat the crap out of him, and then you have to be quick enough to get off the blocks and play two gaps. Then on top of that you have to be able to put pressure on the passer, but not just any way you want. No, you have to be able to put pressure on the passer by just mowing straight through an offensive lineman and staying in your lane, keeping your head up and keying on possible screens and draws. So if you ever find a guy that you think can be superman, do all of that...it's worth it to take him. Randy Starks is getting up there, he's very good. Kendall Langford doesn't look like he'll ever be a guy that does both things really well and Phil Merling is also one-dimensional just the opposite dimension, so if you think that Jared Odrick could be superman...why not? You're never going to have trouble finding a way for that kind of player to get on the field and the more of them you can throw at an offensive line the better you are.

But the bottom line is you'd have to have strong conviction that Jared Odrick is way better at his position than Brandon Graham is at his position and than Earl Thomas is at his...and I find that tough to swallow.

showstopper
03-21-2010, 11:53 AM
Or that Dez Bryant is better at his position.