PDA

View Full Version : Full mock, Value & Need



normaniii
03-24-2010, 08:00 PM
I have taken into account the upcoming trade of Smiley. Rumour is we are looking for 3rd, but I think realistically we are looking at early 4th possibly Redskins/Seahawks.

2010 NFL Draft:-

First round: No. 12 in round - R.McClain - ILB - I know ill get slated for this, but before signing of Dansby this was the popular choice. Also peolpe were stating years ago we should have drafted P.Willis, even though at time he wasnt a 'need'. I think same applies here. I also believe Nolan wants to play Dansby at OLB over TE on 1st n poss 2nd downs. Also there is rumours Crowders injury is worse than 1st thought, so including value, future play, leadership and a definate day 1 starter.... he is my pick.

Second round: No. 11 - Nate Allen - FS - I think with Mayock overrating Earl Thomas and the speculation surrounding Mays, this guy has gone under the radar. I believe he would be starter day one and at minimum challenge Clemons for FS.

Third round: No. 10 - Austen Lane - DE/OLB - We need an OLB/DE, but I believe we dont have one on roster with size, strengh and athletisism. This guy fits the bill. 6-6, 267-275lbs and a former basketball player. Again with the overrated hype surrounding JPP, he has gone under the radar.

Fourth round, Smiley trade - Jimmy Graham - TE - I think he may be gone here, but with everyone raving about Dickerson I hope we get him at top of 4th. I think Fasano will start due to blocking ability but I think he would create significant mismatches at 6-7, 259lbs.

Fourth round: No.6 - Tony Washington - OT - This guy is 1st round talent but also 1st round idiot, which hopefully lands him here for us. I think he could push for starting job ahead of Incognito/Thomas moving Carey to what IMO is his best position of RG.

Fourth round: No. 12 - Greg Hardy - DE/OLB Again a size OLB/DE, who would have gone higher if not for injury. I would be willing to take risk on him here, if he drops this far.

Sixth round: No. 4 in round - Walter Thurmon - CB Would have gone possibly 2nd round last year barring injury. I know there is a common theme here, but in the lower rounds I would rather draft a guy who's stock has fallen due to injury or......'sister troubles' than a roster/special teams player.

Sixth round: No. 5 in round - LeGarrette Blount - I not sure he drops this far, but last 2 yrs teams have waited till lower rounds to pick up RB's. I think we need a RB when you consider, both Ronnie & Ricky may not be here next year and this guy fits our tough running bill.

Sixth round: No. 10 in round - Danario Alexander - WR This guy runs routes from A-B via C, but has tremendous upside. As someone posted on here, he has similar scouting report to B.Marshall coming out of college 6-5 215 lbs.

Seventh round: No. 5 in round - Vince Oghobaase - DT - From the BP school of drafting DT late in draft. I like this guy and again injury stopped him rising higher, but I also dont feel the knee jerk reaction of needing a NT higher in draft. I thought Solai improved last year and IMO Mcdaniel will play more with Starks/Solai sliding over on poss 2nd and 3rd downs.

Seventh round: No. 12 in round - Trevard Lindley - CBInjury theme again. Would have gone 2-3rd last year so ill take gamble.

Seventh round: compensatory - Cody Grimm - SS - Former LB with excellent numbers but only stands at 5-foot-11 and 203 lbs. I think he would be superb on special teams at minimum, maximum a future replacement for Y.Bell.

dtjp17
03-24-2010, 08:16 PM
they kind of have the 12th pick buddy how do you do a mock and not even know what pick they have

normaniii
03-24-2010, 08:26 PM
they kind of have the 12th pick buddy how do you do a mock and not even know what pick they have

I have done other mocks with him at 12, one typo out of whole piece and thats all you come up with.

normaniii
03-24-2010, 08:27 PM
amended!

hooshoops
03-24-2010, 08:50 PM
austen lane and hardy both looked terrible in lb drills at the combine and were very slow running...don't see olb there at all...

played way too upright when asked to drop also...

i do like the walter thurmond cb pick in the 6th...like that a lot...

normaniii
03-24-2010, 08:59 PM
A.Spencer & L.Woodley both run over 4.7. I just think with Wake/Taylor on other side we need size, pass rush and strength as an option.

hooshoops
03-24-2010, 09:00 PM
austen lane and hardy if i'm not mistaken ran like 4.9 at the combine...

normaniii
03-24-2010, 09:13 PM
I think Hardy 4.87 has been hampered by injury. I agree with you on Lane, it was 4.83 but was expected to be quicker, but at 6-6 276 he is very athletic and has better production than JPP ....if not the same times. He is also a 3rd round pick and IMO has tremendous upside.

dolhindan
03-24-2010, 09:18 PM
I fully agree with picks 1 and 2. In the third I like Taylor Price, In four "A" Jason Worilds, if your Smiley deal come to fruition. Four "B" I like the Jimmy Graham pick, after that it gets foggy for me. But we need a good NT, maybe Torrell Troup from UCF. If we could get these guys I might sit back and drink a case of Alexander Kieth's red amber. Oh, and smile.


(http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1123712)

skipp2myloo13
03-24-2010, 09:25 PM
So we have no
SOLb, NT or FS or starting WR. And you reach for an average ILB with not a lotta speed. No thanks.

normaniii
03-24-2010, 09:25 PM
Found this piece:-

The 10-yard split is a vital time gauge for every position in the NFL, but it’s arguably more important for edge pass rushers than other positions. Pure pass-rushing specialists who rely on their first step to gain an advantage on offensive tackles need to display explosive first-step quickness out of the stance. Therefore, the timing of a pass rusher’s 10-yard split is an excellent indicator of how quickly he can explode off the ball and cover the ground needed to get after the quarterback. So to put this into perspective, I broke down some of this year’s top hybrid defensive end/outside linebackers to give you an idea what prospects’ 10-yard splits are NFL-worthy and what prospects’ fast 40 times are simply a mirage.

To put the 10-yard splits into perspective, I constructed a range of times using only the DE/OLB position.

Note: Combine times as a whole have gone down dramatically each of the past couple of years, so the most relevant times are those from the past three years.

“Great” 10-yard split times (1.55 seconds and under)
Cliff Avril, Lions: 1.50 (2008)
Chris Long, Rams: 1.53 (2008)

“Good” 10-yard split times (1.56-159)
Gaines Adams, Buccaneers: 1.58 (2007)
Derrick Harvey, Jaguars: 1.59 (2008)

“Average” 10-yard split times (1.6-1.62)
Kamerion Wimbley, Browns: 1.6 (2006)
Bruce Davis, Steelers: 1.62 (2008)

“Below” average 10-yard split times (1.63-1.69)
Charles Johnson, Panthers: 1.63 (2007)
Anthony Spencer, Cowboys: 1.64 (2007)

Austen Lane - (1.51 in the 10-yard dash) - http://bleacherreport.com/articles/272406-austen-lane-is-on-the-right-road-to-nfl-stardom

normaniii
03-24-2010, 09:32 PM
So we have no
SOLb, NT or FS or starting WR. And you reach for an average ILB with not a lotta speed. No thanks.

McClain IMO is not 'average'. FS - Nate Allen. OLB - Austen Lane NT - P.Solai.

The turnaround on WR is usually 3 yrs, which is where....ish our current crop are. I also believe next year is loaded with WR talent and Danario Alexander was in my picks this year.

skipp2myloo13
03-24-2010, 09:36 PM
McClain had the best space eater in college sports in front of him. All he did was fill. He is smart, but if we wanted a smart player we could get Rolle in the second. Lol. You say need/value. McClain is neither. After extensive study of his game-there is nothing to show me he is going to be anything like Willis or any of the other great 1st round ILBs that warrant a pick. He is a very smart thumper. With 12, after we have Dansby, no thanks. Give me a great ball hawking FS-Thomas or a SOLB-Graham. This point becomes mute, if by some miracle, Dez falls to us.

hooshoops
03-24-2010, 09:43 PM
I think Hardy 4.87 has been hampered by injury. I agree with you on Lane, it was 4.83 but was expected to be quicker, but at 6-6 276 he is very athletic and has better production than JPP ....if not the same times. He is also a 3rd round pick and IMO has tremendous upside.

did you see these guys in lb drills??? i did...it was not pretty or even ok

dolhindan
03-24-2010, 09:49 PM
I remember another smart thumper, his name was Zack Thomas I think.

WelcomeBack
03-24-2010, 10:05 PM
I got to agree with hooshoops. Lane and Hardy were very unimpressive in the linebacker drills.

If we're looking at a 3rd round convert, I sure hope it's either Daniel Te'o-Nesheim, Koa Misi or Antonio Coleman.

I also liked Rahim Alem and Dexter Davis in the 3rd-4th round area.

#1dolphinsfan
03-24-2010, 10:14 PM
The only pick I really like is the second round pick

hooshoops
03-24-2010, 11:23 PM
i didn't think coleman showed all that well either in lb drills...and i was hoping he would...

i like adrian tracy a little later and dexter davis also but not in the first 4 rounds...i'm gonna throw cameron sheffields name in there also as a late olb pick...i think he can make the switch

i need to see tape on daniel teo-neishem...

Roman529
03-24-2010, 11:42 PM
. This point becomes mute, if by some miracle, Dez falls to us.

Mute is a person who is deaf....I think you meant moot. :crazy:

DcRy82
03-25-2010, 12:51 AM
I remember another smart thumper, his name was Zack Thomas I think.

Actually his name was Zach Thomas, and he was a MUCH bigger hitter than McClain is. I wouldn't even consider McClain a "thumper" at all actually. Yes, McClain, he's smart at the college level but you can't compare him to Zach.. Zach was a lot of great things that I dont have enough time to get into.

normaniii
03-25-2010, 03:52 AM
If we talking about 'mute' points, why even consider Bryant when we know FO wont take him?

I like B.Graham a lot, but IMO, having McClain over Graham, considering the depth at OLB/DE, is a better choice for the long haul and provides Nolan with more options and depth on D.

normaniii
03-25-2010, 04:06 AM
We know how much BP likes starters and team captains and IMO Austen Lane is a sleeper pick at 3rd.

normaniii
03-25-2010, 04:49 AM
I would even consider changing first two picks for Earl Thomas/Brandon Spikes, but I would prefer McClain/Allen

normaniii
03-25-2010, 05:27 AM
I based this draft on a post CK had previously outlining Nolan specific jobs for LB's.

1. 3-4 WOLB – This job requires you to rush the passer about 70 percent of downs.
2. 3-4 WILB – A banger that can plug the run and rush the passer from ILB 1 out of 3 downs.
3. 3-4 SILB – A smart, athletic player that can rush 1 out of 4 downs from ILB and collect tackles.
4. 3-4 SOLB – Needs to be good in coverage and on the TE, only rushes 50 percent.
5. 2-4 WOLB – Optional to be a hand-on-ground guy, is the primary pressure guy on pass downs.
6. 2-4 WILB – Must be very smart, and good in coverage, backing up and keeping things in front.
7. 2-4 SILB – Must be athletic enough to run with players in coverage.
8. 2-4 SOLB – Must be a dynamic pass rusher and be able to do damage from an up position.

With My draft you would have as:-

ILB -Crowder, McClain, Dansby, Torbor.

OLB - Taylor, Wake, Anderson, Austen, Hardy.

I think this gives Nolan numerous options.

You would have a base 3-4 D of:-

WOLB - Taylor/Wake/Austen/Hardy - filling the 1 spot
MLB - Crowder & McClain - filling spots 2 &3
SOLB - Dansby - spot 4

With D Line men -

DE - Starks & Langford with Merling & McDaniel rotation.
NT - Solai - Ferguson/Vince Oghobaase in rotation

Then on 2-4 you would take out Crowder, slide Dansby back inside, bringing on 1 of the OLB.

WOLB - Wake/Taylor - 5th spot
MLB - McClain & Dansby - 6 & 7
SOLB - Austen/Hardy

2 D Line:- Starks & Merling, with Langford and McDaniel in rotation.

skipp2myloo13
03-25-2010, 06:55 AM
If we talking about 'mute' points, why even consider Bryant when we know FO wont take him?

I like B.Graham a lot, but IMO, having McClain over Graham, considering the depth at OLB/DE, is a better choice for the long haul and provides Nolan with more options and depth on D.

LOL!!!! "considering the depth at OLB/DE????? Do you mind telling me who you are talking about. We have no starting SOLB, no back up SOLB, we dont have a STarting WOLB and we have WAke and Anderson. Thats virtually it. You are right about the fact that we wont take a skill player like...Pat White.. Damn i meant Dez Bryant. Parcell and Ireland would never do anything like that. How does a one trick pony ILB give us more options, and if you want Depth on D as you said in this draft-look somewhere other than 12, because i want a playmaker who will help our team to wins. BTW you bring up Zach Thomas-Where was he drafted? If we are going to reach at a position we are set at-i would draft Charlie Brown or Jason Ordick. Lets focus on fielding a full team before we try for "depth" at our first round pick.

normaniii
03-25-2010, 08:02 AM
LOL!!!! "considering the depth at OLB/DE????? Do you mind telling me who you are talking about. We have no starting SOLB, no back up SOLB, we dont have a STarting WOLB and we have WAke and Anderson. Thats virtually it. You are right about the fact that we wont take a skill player like...Pat White.. Damn i meant Dez Bryant. Parcell and Ireland would never do anything like that. How does a one trick pony ILB give us more options, and if you want Depth on D as you said in this draft-look somewhere other than 12, because i want a playmaker who will help our team to wins. BTW you bring up Zach Thomas-Where was he drafted? If we are going to reach at a position we are set at-i would draft Charlie Brown or Jason Ordick. Lets focus on fielding a full team before we try for "depth" at our first round pick.

woh woh woh tiger. I did not mention the great Zach. You brought up 'moot' points and then talked about drafting D.Bryant. IMO that is the unltimate moot point as FO will not take him at #12. I not saying he would not make superb WR........but as with signing T.Owens or Marshall IMO that point is MOOT!

The depth I talked about at OLB/DE was in the upcoming draft not already on the roster. My draft was based on the fact that it was deep IMO at OLB/DE not at MLB or FS.

Our LB at present are Dansby,Crowder, Torbor, Wake, hopefully Taylor & C.Anderson.

We need a pass rushing WOLB - Wake/Taylor/Anderson
Smart athletic MLB - Crowder
Banger MLB - Torbor
TE/pass rush SOLB - Dansby as no other could cover TE.

IMO the way Nolan plays D, OLB is not the biggest need looking at that group, especially considering the depth in the draft at the position. I would much prefer McClain at #12 and have him and Crowder as ILB, than Graham/Kindle/Hughes or any other WOLB when we already have C.Wake.

I would even be happy tailoring my draft to:-

Earl Thomas - B.Spikes/Washington - Austen Lane.

I just feel if you do not get your FS and MLB in 1st 2 rounds the drop off is immense thereafter. I like B.Graham at #12 but I think it is a shortsighted pick, when you consider who you would have at FS, SOLB who can cover TE and MLB. Graham would not cover the TE and would probably be WOLB in Nolans D.

As unlike yourself, IMO, defense is the bigger need this year.

normaniii
03-25-2010, 08:12 AM
I agree with all the points regarding Austen Lane & Hardy struggling in coverage drills, but IMO, Nolans D would only require them to do that on a very limited basis as they would cover the #8 SOLB spot as a disruptive dynamic pas rusher in the 2-4 stance on passing downs.

I would not have them starting on 3-4 basis unless it was in rotation at the #1 spot of passrushing WOLB

hooshoops
03-25-2010, 09:15 AM
austen lane and greg hardy in the rotation as pass rushing wolb??? heck no...

i see lane as a situational player in the pros in a 4-3...definitely not 3rd round value to me...not even 4th to me

hardy flashes big time as a 4-3 end but there are too many injury and character concerns there imo...and i'm not looking for a 4-3 guy anyways...

and i'm definitely not comfortable asking either of them to do anything in coverage...

j-off-her-doll
03-25-2010, 09:22 AM
Mute is a person who is deaf....I think you meant moot. :crazy:

Not the definition of mute.

PhinPhan910
03-25-2010, 10:08 AM
I would be dissatisfied with that draft