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JahnDho
03-26-2010, 10:53 PM
Here's why Demaryous Thomas is worth the 1.12:
He's big 6'3" 225 lbs
Speed in the 4.4-4.5 range (game speed too)
Can catch, go up for the ball, come back for it, break tackles, run past DBs, solid route runner, and strikes fear in opponents.
I can't highlight enough how much fear he strikes in opponents. Casuing double teams, mismatches, better opportunities for Ginn, Bess and Hartline, and helping Henne tremendously.
He's underrated. He played in a dominate run first offense at GT and his stats suffered because of it. Had he played for Texas, OK, USC or some of these other teams, his stats would be through the roof. Some NFL team will "reach", per the media, and have the next AJ or Fitz. He won't last past round one either. We're not the Oakland Raiders reaching on DHB and getting burnt. (Although I think DHB, with a good QB, could be a heck of a WR) I may have just lost all credibility, but needless, Miami is not Oakland. We have a future stud QB, one of the best o-lines and running games, a solid and young defense, and most importantly great coaches and owner. Demaryous Thomas is going to be the sleeper of the 1st rd. Mark my words, some NFL team who does their homework on this kid will hit a homerun. I just hope Bill pulls the trigger.

jim1
03-26-2010, 10:54 PM
He needs to prove that he has 4.4 speed and imo his level of explosion is in question.

j-off-her-doll
03-26-2010, 11:23 PM
If we draft D. Thomas, I'll be nervous. I won't hate the pick, but I definitely won't be cheering. Does he have the potential to justify the pick in the future? Yes. But, I think he has too many question marks to justify it today.

XxfeensterxX
03-27-2010, 12:35 AM
I love the guy , I really do. Just at 12 its way to much of a reach. Not to mention I think we need to go defense at 12. Maybe trade up in the 2nd to get him?

JahnDho
03-27-2010, 01:35 AM
Jim and J, he broke his foot-what's to prove? I think you're putting too much stock in the combine and pro work outs. They're great to get to know players on a personal level and see how they've improved since December, but players don't become NFL caliber athletes over night. Demaryous' might not be a fast twitch wr like Wess Welker, but he won't play the slot. We don't need that. We need a physical WR who can be a difference maker. He has the physical attributes that allow him to catch the ball over defenders. He's a big pressence in the red zone. He can break tackles. He can make people miss. He can BLOCK. How much better will our RBs be when they can get to the outside because of a WRs superior ability to block? How many longer running plays can be credited to a gifted blocking WR? This is a major role our offense lacks and it often goes unnoticed. I know first hand what a difference a solid blocking WR makes. He has the intangibles that make others around him better. That's what we need in a WR. Golden Tate won't do that. Bryant might, but does he have the right character? Maybe, maybe not. Benn could be, but he doesn't strike fear in defenders like Thomas does. I'd love it if Miami traded out of the 1.12 and got Thomas with something like the 1.20 or later, but then they risk someone else drafting him.

MARSHALLAW305
03-27-2010, 01:48 AM
First Of All There Was A Question Regarding His Speed And Nothing Has Been Said That I Have Read That He Has 4.4 Speed. Infact That Was The Worry With Him And The Fact He Is Coming Off An Injury Scares Me Further. I Like The Guy But He Is Still A ? In My Book

dolfan_101
03-27-2010, 01:51 AM
He has to many questions at 12 to pick him, I would be mad..
And good route runner? That is almost laughable, I saw him run like 5 routes consistantly. And his seperation is questionable from what I have seen.
A second round pick for him would be great, but of we are drafting a wideout at 12 it better be Dez.

JahnDho
03-27-2010, 02:05 AM
I haven't seen anything formal to the NFL's standards regarding a 40 time, but there are whispers and rumors of low 4.4's.

Fin_Frenzy_84
03-27-2010, 02:09 AM
I dont want him with that but we can trade up in the 2nd and give someone a 6th, 7th and player to get him

JahnDho
03-29-2010, 01:48 AM
He has to many questions at 12 to pick him, I would be mad..


Which is why I titled this "not the concensus top pick"

Would you be more mad if NE picked Thomas and he stepped right in as the #1 WR when Moss left in 2011? I'd be pissed...

Belichick would look like a genious again, while Miami will be asking themselves why they didn't take him with the 1.12.

LikeUntoGod
03-29-2010, 02:09 AM
I'd be pissed off and surprised if we took any WR with our first pick considering our needs on defense and our already very young WR corp.

And if the Patriots took him in the 1st I'd be stunned.

canesandphins1
03-29-2010, 02:14 AM
he is a very physical triple option offense receiver which that means he blocks for his rbs but it also means he has never run a wr tree his routes are fly's 7's and comebacks thats about it does he know how to set up a db with crisp route running and double moves that is going to be what puts him in the middle of round 1 instead of late 1 or into the 2nd

dolfan_101
03-29-2010, 02:35 AM
Which is why I titled this "not the concensus top pick"

Would you be more mad if NE picked Thomas and he stepped right in as the #1 WR when Moss left in 2011? I'd be pissed...

Belichick would look like a genious again, while Miami will be asking themselves why they didn't take him with the 1.12.

Going to NE he will be under Randy Moss' wing, coming here he is around some over achievers. He isn't the fit here, not with the value at our picks.

finfan54
03-29-2010, 05:24 AM
tell it to Bill Parcells/Ireland. otherwise, its a pipedream.

finfan54
03-29-2010, 05:27 AM
I'd be pissed off and surprised if we took any WR with our first pick considering our needs on defense and our already very young WR corp.

And if the Patriots took him in the 1st I'd be stunned.



Yeah, same here but I wouldnt mind Dez Bryant. Just do not think this regime is going there. And I do not think he will fall to #12. I hope someone else takes him.

Now if we had a PB type TE, that would start to heat things up. We really need a TE for the future.

Fin_Frenzy_84
03-29-2010, 05:46 AM
Reciever is a much larger need than TE and if you dont think they will draft one early you must of not followed last years draft. He drafted two recievers to TRY to fill that need of a true number 1 reciever and it seems like he has not filled it if Henne comes out and says he likes his recievers but would love a number one... He basically said GIVE ME HELP NOW!!!! Also if you dont think a number 1 reciever is a need look at the 4 teams in the afc and nfc championship...
Jets-Braylon
Colts-Wayne
Saints-Coulston
Vikings-Rice

fgrocker
03-29-2010, 06:45 AM
Here's why Demaryous Thomas is worth the 1.12:
He's big 6'3" 225 lbs
Speed in the 4.4-4.5 range (game speed too)
Can catch, go up for the ball, come back for it, break tackles, run past DBs, solid route runner, and strikes fear in opponents.
I can't highlight enough how much fear he strikes in opponents. Casuing double teams, mismatches, better opportunities for Ginn, Bess and Hartline, and helping Henne tremendously.
He's underrated. He played in a dominate run first offense at GT and his stats suffered because of it. Had he played for Texas, OK, USC or some of these other teams, his stats would be through the roof. Some NFL team will "reach", per the media, and have the next AJ or Fitz. He won't last past round one either. We're not the Oakland Raiders reaching on DHB and getting burnt. (Although I think DHB, with a good QB, could be a heck of a WR) I may have just lost all credibility, but needless, Miami is not Oakland. We have a future stud QB, one of the best o-lines and running games, a solid and young defense, and most importantly great coaches and owner. Demaryous Thomas is going to be the sleeper of the 1st rd. Mark my words, some NFL team who does their homework on this kid will hit a homerun. I just hope Bill pulls the trigger.

I don't get this. Here's my viewpoint.

Since Georgia Tech ran the ball on 90% of plays (or whatever), Thomas would never have been double teamed. Also, the opposing D always had "run" in their heads, and more often than not, stacked the box. On the plays that Nesbitt actually threw the ball, Thomas would be in single coverage against a defense that was expecting run. How would this hurt his stats? If anything, it would pad them. In my opinion, the reason he had such high YPC was because the safeties would be drawn into the box more often than not, leaving only one man to beat.

skipp2myloo13
03-29-2010, 06:26 PM
CK made a good point. He is no where near the finished product Nicks was last year, and Nicks went after 25. This guy doesnt deserve to be in the first round. IMO.

rent this space
03-29-2010, 06:40 PM
Reciever is a much larger need than TE and if you dont think they will draft one early you must of not followed last years draft. He drafted two recievers to TRY to fill that need of a true number 1 reciever and it seems like he has not filled it if Henne comes out and says he likes his recievers but would love a number one... He basically said GIVE ME HELP NOW!!!! Also if you dont think a number 1 reciever is a need look at the 4 teams in the afc and nfc championship...
Jets-Braylon
Colts-Wayne
Saints-Coulston
Vikings-Rice
doesn't that mean they will be less likely to spend a high pick at the same position?

jim1
03-29-2010, 07:42 PM
Jim and J, he broke his foot-what's to prove? I think you're putting too much stock in the combine and pro work outs. They're great to get to know players on a personal level and see how they've improved since December, but players don't become NFL caliber athletes over night. Demaryous' might not be a fast twitch wr like Wess Welker, but he won't play the slot. We don't need that. We need a physical WR who can be a difference maker. He has the physical attributes that allow him to catch the ball over defenders. He's a big pressence in the red zone. He can break tackles. He can make people miss. He can BLOCK. How much better will our RBs be when they can get to the outside because of a WRs superior ability to block? How many longer running plays can be credited to a gifted blocking WR? This is a major role our offense lacks and it often goes unnoticed. I know first hand what a difference a solid blocking WR makes. He has the intangibles that make others around him better. That's what we need in a WR. Golden Tate won't do that. Bryant might, but does he have the right character? Maybe, maybe not. Benn could be, but he doesn't strike fear in defenders like Thomas does. I'd love it if Miami traded out of the 1.12 and got Thomas with something like the 1.20 or later, but then they risk someone else drafting him.

What's to prove is that he isn't slow. And even if he ran a 4.4 he lacks explosion and elusiveness. A few WRs can get away with that in the NFL a la Boldin, but my fear would be NFL Cornerbacks draped all over him because he can't separate. Personally I think that Benn would strike more fear in NFL defenders than DT would. I would take Benn over DT in a heartbeat.

XxfeensterxX
03-29-2010, 08:25 PM
What's to prove is that he isn't slow. And even if he ran a 4.4 he lacks explosion and elusiveness. A few WRs can get away with that in the NFL a la Boldin, but my fear would be NFL Cornerbacks draped all over him because he can't separate. Personally I think that Benn would strike more fear in NFL defenders than DT would. I would take Benn over DT in a heartbeat.


a la Boldin

Thats the key part of your post, I believe DT could really be the next "Boldin" type player. He has amazing run blocking skills which we would love, especially on WR screens and the reverses we love to run. He is big and fast and gets that YAC. I would be thrilled to take him at #43 and I would take him over Benn. If DT worked out at the combine he probaly moves into the mid-top of the first.

Im going to watch some more tape on him in a bit.

CK do you have a good breakdown of D. Thomas? I know his route running needs to be worked on, which I would believe to be coachable.

JahnDho
03-30-2010, 10:38 PM
I agree our defense needs improvement, but it was good enough last year to keep us in games. It was clutch dropped balls by TE's & WR's that killed game winning drives. That was the difference in the end result of games and if we're going to draft a position that addresses our biggest difference then it just seems logical to me that our first priority would be WR/TE. I'd rather a WR because WR will have the greatest impact on increasing the level of play of all the other skilled positions, but one could make the argument there are only 2 chances at a difference maker at TE while there may be 3-4 at WR. Even still, D. Thomas would have the best affect on all other WR's and even RB's because of his blocking ability.

Thomas may not have seen a ton of double teams but every team had to game plan against him. That's enough to neutralize the notion that teams were too focused on their run. Didn't you watch the Miami/GT game? Even Miami was scared of him. One could argue the announcers don't know what they were talking about, but even they were focused on DT. Against Miami, 6 catches for 133 yards and a score.

datruth55
03-30-2010, 10:42 PM
Dez Bryant said he ran 4.32 a week ago then runs 4.52 at his workout. Bebe says he runs 4.38 but has a broken foot and can't run right now so he's got to prove he has that type of deep speed.

As it is he runs two routes in that triple threat offense. He's not really faced press coverage cause every corner played 10 yards off of him.

He's got a lot to prove and without a workout there are more questions than answers. I like the kid a lot but #12 overall? Not sure about that.

JahnDho
03-30-2010, 11:20 PM
As it is he runs two routes in that triple threat offense. He's not really faced press coverage cause every corner played 10 yards off of him.

He's got a lot to prove and without a workout there are more questions than answers. I like the kid a lot but #12 overall? Not sure about that.

Watch highlights of him. I saw deep and short outs, slants, fades, posts, flies, comebacks and curls. He wouldn't excell in the slot, but I saw him run every route Randy Moss is asked to run.

A couple things I see over and over again. He over powers corners and safeties with his size and leaping ability. He has stong hands. He blocks well, catches well, runs after the catch well, has a great stiff arm, breaks tackles and makes guys miss. Seriously, that's why Andre Johnson does so well. Compare their game films from college. There's a ton of similarities.

XxfeensterxX
03-30-2010, 11:27 PM
I agree our defense needs improvement, but it was good enough last year to keep us in games. It was clutch dropped balls by TE's & WR's that killed game winning drives.

Did you not watch the NO & INDY games? We had the leads, we just couldnt hold on to them. Defense is what LOST us games last year.

JahnDho
04-03-2010, 09:03 PM
Did you not watch the NO & INDY games? We had the leads, we just couldnt hold on to them. Defense is what LOST us games last year.

Did you not see that those two teams went to the SB? And, both had 2 of the best offenses in the NFL??? And, the 2 best QBs in the NFL? And yet somehow we were in both and lost because we didn't convert on crucial offensive plays. Yes, our defense was at fault too, but you can't win big games, you can't come back to win, and you can't reach Henne's ceiling without a top WR. WR should be our 1st priority.

insomnia411
04-03-2010, 09:18 PM
Brandon Graham at 12, trade back into the mid 20s for DT.

"Championshiiiip"

foozool13
04-04-2010, 02:15 AM
this guys is def overrated at #12...you're crazy

Clipse
04-04-2010, 02:51 AM
What's to prove is that he isn't slow. And even if he ran a 4.4 he lacks explosion and elusiveness. A few WRs can get away with that in the NFL a la Boldin, but my fear would be NFL Cornerbacks draped all over him because he can't separate. Personally I think that Benn would strike more fear in NFL defenders than DT would. I would take Benn over DT in a heartbeat.
Explain to me how Boldin can get away with that and DT wouldn't? Thomas is as physical as any WR I've seen in a while. Route running? Can be worked on, like the majority of WR's who come out. I do like Benn better but don't try to use Boldin as an example when DT, Benn, and Boldin are all very similar.

Clipse
04-04-2010, 02:58 AM
I agree our defense needs improvement, but it was good enough last year to keep us in games. It was clutch dropped balls by TE's & WR's that killed game winning drives. That was the difference in the end result of games and if we're going to draft a position that addresses our biggest difference then it just seems logical to me that our first priority would be WR/TE. I'd rather a WR because WR will have the greatest impact on increasing the level of play of all the other skilled positions, but one could make the argument there are only 2 chances at a difference maker at TE while there may be 3-4 at WR. Even still, D. Thomas would have the best affect on all other WR's and even RB's because of his blocking ability.

Thomas may not have seen a ton of double teams but every team had to game plan against him. That's enough to neutralize the notion that teams were too focused on their run. Didn't you watch the Miami/GT game? Even Miami was scared of him. One could argue the announcers don't know what they were talking about, but even they were focused on DT. Against Miami, 6 catches for 133 yards and a score.
What games were you watching last year? It was our offense that kept us in games, while our defense let the other teams march right on down the field in no time.

JahnDho
04-06-2010, 02:03 AM
What games were you watching last year? It was our offense that kept us in games, while our defense let the other teams march right on down the field in no time.

And most of our defensive issues can be attributed to injuries, Wilson, rookies (inexperience), or something that's already been addressed (Wilson getting cut and Dansby getting signed). Of course FS needs addressed, but the other issues on D are going to get better with time (experience and health). And, I realize we need D-Line help too. But, we're talking priorities here. And, FS wouldn't be as high if we had someone other than Clemons. Time isn't going to fix our WR issue. I think a guy like Berry would be awesome and he would plug a hole, I just think we have a much bigger hole at WR. Our Offense did keep us in games, but they didn't convert the most important plays that could have won games. Plays that only the top 10-15 WRs make. I think Thomas can be that WR. I think he can be a top 5 and that's why I've lobbied for him with the 12th.

Clipse
04-06-2010, 04:45 AM
And most of our defensive issues can be attributed to injuries, Wilson, rookies (inexperience), or something that's already been addressed (Wilson getting cut and Dansby getting signed). Of course FS needs addressed, but the other issues on D are going to get better with time (experience and health). And, I realize we need D-Line help too. But, we're talking priorities here. And, FS wouldn't be as high if we had someone other than Clemons. Time isn't going to fix our WR issue. I think a guy like Berry would be awesome and he would plug a hole, I just think we have a much bigger hole at WR. Our Offense did keep us in games, but they didn't convert the most important plays that could have won games. Plays that only the top 10-15 WRs make. I think Thomas can be that WR. I think he can be a top 5 and that's why I've lobbied for him with the 12th.
Better with time? We have no starter at FS. No starter at SOLB, and possibly WOLB. So how does our defense get better with time, but our WR's won't? Makes no sense if you ask me. And a career bench player starting at the most important position in a 3-4. I absolutely love Bebe Thomas, anyone can tell you that, but to say offense is the weak link of our team is ludicrous based on the obvious fact that it's not.

hooshoops
04-06-2010, 05:01 AM
this kid at #12 imo is a joke...not a chance in this world i'd use that high a pick on him with that many on tape question marks...

finfan54
04-06-2010, 05:19 AM
he's inconsistant. plain and simple and you always have to wonder about work ethic/character to take it to the next level. If we took him at 12 we would be put up there with Bey in Oakland.

JahnDho
04-11-2010, 08:29 PM
Better with time? We have no starter at FS. No starter at SOLB, and possibly WOLB. So how does our defense get better with time, but our WR's won't? Makes no sense if you ask me. And a career bench player starting at the most important position in a 3-4. I absolutely love Bebe Thomas, anyone can tell you that, but to say offense is the weak link of our team is ludicrous based on the obvious fact that it's not.

It doesn't make sense because apparently you need it spelled it out for you. "Better with time" refers to the young players drafted last year and the year before that with experience will get more consistent. I.e. Smith, Davis, and Wake. These guys have shown they have a higher ceiling but need to be more consistent. I'm convinced our WRs will never be more than what they've shown and that's not enough. There are also FA FSs out there, like Sharper, who could be plugged in for a year or two. Then draft a top FS next year. This is a pass happy league. If you don't have the WRs to keep up then you're WRs are your top priority. Once you get a true #1 WR then you can fill holes on D. I think Berry, Thomas, McClain, Suh, or McCoy would fill holes, I'm just one of the guys saying WR is a higher priority. And I think Demaryious Thomas would do so much more for our offense than just catch the ball. I like DT more than DB because I think Bryant is a bigger "diva" than Thomas, and I think Thomas blocks better. Both are very athletic, gifted, and feared playmakers.

Zandimd
04-11-2010, 08:35 PM
I would have to consider not watching football next year if we took him in the first (not really), but he to me is not worth a high first. He's an unproven route runner, enough said.

JahnDho
04-22-2010, 02:52 PM
Hmmm...looks like Gosselin thinks so too. :)