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3rdandinches
03-29-2010, 02:13 PM
Trades:

J.Smiley OG>Seat 3rd

T.Thigpen QB>Buf 3rd & 5th



Draft:

1st> D.Bryant WR - Even BP can't let this talent pass him by! He has everything we need at wr, size, good speed, play maker and has a nose for the endzone.

2nd> T.Gibson OLB - Worilds was a strong possibility but ends up too short to fit this regimes mold. Gibson is a strong talent that just ran a 4.58/40 and 32 reps at 225 at his proday. With some developement Gibson could be a great pick up for us.

3rd> C.Cook CB/FS - Flexibility, has the size and speed to play both CB and FS. I think the FO actually does believe in Clemons and was trying to find a stop gap low balling a couple FA's, so it's important to add depth in the secondary.

3rd> AJ.Edds OLB/ILB - Excellent SOLB that is flexible enough to play inside.

3rd> J.Graham TE - Potential, Graham has the opportunity to be a great threat, size and speed to cause major match up problems for opposing defenses.

4th> B.Spikes ILB - BPA, Spikes falls hard and we take advantage.

5th> D.Karim RB - 4.37/40 210lbs, future replacement for Ricky, nice change of pace back.

6th> J.Owens NT - Needs time to develope into a solid NT, has great strength and is pretty quick.

6th> B.Carter OG - Depth, depth, depth

6th> C.Howard OG - see above

7th> E.Hicks FS - see above

7th> A.Woods NT - see above

7th> K.Jolly OT - see above

In the 6th and 7th rounds you could really pick anyone you like but I think the positions will be accurate. BP likes to develope NT's and young OLineman and where some think NT as a bigger priority I think P.Solai is getting better every year.

Basically this draft is summed up by letting the draft come to us, Dez is by far BPA as is Cook and Spikes. Gibson, Graham and Karim are solid prospects with huge upside.

Fire away......lol!

JCane
03-29-2010, 02:13 PM
Eric Berry.

Possum
03-29-2010, 02:18 PM
Eric Berry.
'nough said.

3rdandinches
03-29-2010, 02:29 PM
Eric Berry.

So we trade the world to move up to 5 or 6 to get him?

Can't see it happening and he ain't falling no matter how much you want him to. Cleveland, KC, Seattle, Jacksonville and even Oakland could easily draft this kid in front of us, heck if the two DT's go 1/2 TB might grab him!

JCane
03-29-2010, 02:31 PM
So we trade the world to move up to 5 or 6 to get him?

Can't see it happening and he ain't falling no matter how much you want him to. Cleveland, KC, Seattle, Jacksonville and even Oakland could easily draft this kid in front of us, heck if the two DT's go 1/2 TB might grab him!

Everyone knows Sam Bradford will go first overall. Eric Berry could fall to us. Unlikely, yes, but it could happen. Ed Reed fell how far?

3rdandinches
03-29-2010, 02:37 PM
Everyone knows Sam Bradford will go first overall. Eric Berry could fall to us. Unlikely, yes, but it could happen. Ed Reed fell how far?

Yes he COULD fall but he won't...

great player, great kid, great measurables, great tape = no way in heck he falls!!!

Dez could fall because of questions surrounding him, same with Claussen but TB, Cleveland, Oak, KC, Seat, Jack all need secondary help.

I hope he falls, that would be great for us but it just ain't happening.

JCane
03-29-2010, 02:41 PM
You also have to take into consideration that most GM's don't want to spend that high of a pick on a Safety. In my opinion, Eric Berry is MORE than worthy of the overall pick and if I had the top pick in this year's draft, Eric Berry would be my pick. he's that much better than everyone else.

Possum
03-29-2010, 02:42 PM
Yes he COULD fall but he won't...

great player, great kid, great measurables, great tape = no way in heck he falls!!!

Dez could fall because of questions surrounding him, same with Claussen but TB, Cleveland, Oak, KC, Seat, Jack all need secondary help.

I hope he falls, that would be great for us but it just ain't happening.maybe the 10 teams in front of us will draft like the stasch and satan used too.

3rdandinches
03-29-2010, 02:46 PM
You also have to take into consideration that most GM's don't want to spend that high of a pick on a Safety. In my opinion, Eric Berry is MORE than worthy of the overall pick and if I had the top pick in this year's draft, Eric Berry would be my pick. he's that much better than everyone else.

Most GM's don't want to give out giant contracts to hopefulls and would feel alot more comfortable giving big money to as sure a thing as there is and thats E.Berry.

JCane
03-29-2010, 02:48 PM
Most GM's don't want to give out giant contracts to hopefulls and would feel alot more comfortable giving big money to as sure a thing as there is and thats E.Berry.

Then what the hell are the Rams thinking drafting Sam Bradford first overall? That's the most hit or miss spot in the game that you can't really recover from. If you take a QB in the first round and he bombs, you're probably in the tank for 10 years. If you hit the home run with Peyton Manning...well, we see what happens there as well.

emeraldfin
03-29-2010, 02:52 PM
To get Berry, then the draft would have to go something like this:

Rams: Bradford
Lions: Okung
Bucs: Suh
Skins: Clausen
Chiefs: Trent Williams/Brian Bulaga
Seahawks: McCoy
Browns: Haden
Raiders: Bruce Campbell
Bills: Dan Williams/Brian Bulaga
Jags: Bryant
Broncos: McClain
Fins: Berry

JCane
03-29-2010, 02:56 PM
I don't care if it goes like this:

Rams: Santa Claus
Lions: Jesus Christ
Bucs: Condelezza Rice
Skins: Ernest P. Whorrel
Chiefs: Bob Costas
Seahawks: Lady Gaga and her penis
Browns: Bruce Jenner
Raiders: Usain Bolt
Toronto: Wayne Gretzky
Jags: Fred Durst
Broncos: John Elway's daughter
Fins: Eric ****ing Berry

Eric Berry or GTFO

Possum
03-29-2010, 02:57 PM
To get Berry, then the draft would have to go something like this:

Rams: Bradford
Lions: Okung
Bucs: Suh
Skins: Clausen
Chiefs: Trent Williams/Brian Bulaga
Seahawks: McCoy
Browns: Haden
Raiders: Bruce Campbell
Bills: Dan Williams/Brian Bulaga
Jags: Bryant
Broncos: McClain
Fins: Berry
I really don't see him getting past pick 5, but I'm on the Berry bandwagon more then ever.

Possum
03-29-2010, 02:57 PM
I don't care if it goes like this:

Rams: Santa Claus
Lions: Jesus Christ
Bucs: Condelezza Rice
Skins: Ernest P. Whorrel
Chiefs: Bob Costas
Seahawks: Lady Gaga and her penis
Browns: Bruce Jenner
Raiders: Usain Bolt
Toronto: Wayne Gretzky
Jags: Fred Durst
Broncos: John Elway's daughter
Fins: Eric ****ing Berry

Eric Berry or GTFO
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

emeraldfin
03-29-2010, 03:00 PM
I don't care if it goes like this:

Rams: Santa Claus
Lions: Jesus Christ
Bucs: Condelezza Rice
Skins: Ernest P. Whorrel
Chiefs: Bob Costas
Seahawks: Lady Gaga and her penis
Browns: Bruce Jenner
Raiders: Usain Bolt
Toronto: Wayne Gretzky
Jags: Fred Durst
Broncos: John Elway's daughter
Fins: Eric ****ing Berry

Eric Berry or GTFO

:lol:

emeraldfin
03-29-2010, 03:06 PM
I really don't see him getting past pick 5, but I'm on the Berry bandwagon more then ever.


I think its possible he gets by the Chiefs, after seeing Scott Pioli take Tyson Jackson instead of Aaron Curry last year. I think he will take the best LT available ahead Berry.

The Browns are who I would be more worried about. They have a major need at S and at CB. Will all depend on who Holmgren sees as the better prospect; Berry or Haden.

WaxOn WaxOff
03-29-2010, 04:39 PM
I don't think Seattle has a third. It has already been traded away. Also for all you Berry lovers, I would be shocked if they draft him even if he is there at 12. We will see, but keep sharp objects out of your living room on draft day.

XxfeensterxX
03-29-2010, 08:14 PM
I don't think Seattle has a third. It has already been traded away. Also for all you Berry lovers, I would be shocked if they draft him even if he is there at 12. We will see, but keep sharp objects out of your living room on draft day.


My faith in this FO would tank to an all time low. And right now my faith is 100%. But if you pass up the BPA at a posistion of major need, well then someone needs to be fired.

Eric Berry is still my dream pick.

WaxOn WaxOff
03-29-2010, 10:47 PM
My faith in this FO would tank to an all time low. And right now my faith is 100%. But if you pass up the BPA at a posistion of major need, well then someone needs to be fired.

Eric Berry is still my dream pick.

Why? Perhaps they feel that FS is just not as important to this team as other positions, and can be filled with other prospects. Eric Berry may be YOUR dream pick, but FSs are rarely drafted this high. Using the same argument, would you be mad if they passed up the best Kicker, Punter, or Returner if this were also a position of need? What about Long Snapper? Some positions carry more weight than others, and the Phins will draft accordingly.

Phinatic8u
03-29-2010, 11:55 PM
Yeah but the FO always draft BPA. Berry is BPA for #1 so he'll def be for #12

dolfan_101
03-30-2010, 12:05 AM
Thinking the Fins would ever pass on Eric Berry if there at 12 is pure crazy! Hole=Filled

WaxOn WaxOff
03-30-2010, 12:07 AM
Yeah but the FO always draft BPA. Berry is BPA for #1 so he'll def be for #12

OK hot shot, we'll see.

WaxOn WaxOff
03-30-2010, 12:09 AM
Thinking the Fins would ever pass on Eric Berry if there at 12 is pure crazy! Hole=Filled

I like Thomas better than Berry. Look at the stats for the two players. Look at the videos. Have you done that? Even so, I'd rather have Spiller than either of them if he is available. He will impact the game more. As would a dominant OLB.

And if we are filling a Hole, we better make sure it's the right hole. Try filling the wrong hole with your girlfriend and you can get in some trouble.

Fin_Frenzy_84
03-30-2010, 12:46 AM
Im sorry we will most likely only get a 4th for Smiley and not a 3rd and a 5th for thigpen. I really am not a fan of the mock either. Keep trying though!!!

HurriPhin
03-30-2010, 01:18 AM
I like Thomas better than Berry. Look at the stats for the two players. Look at the videos. Have you done that? Even so, I'd rather have Spiller than either of them if he is available. He will impact the game more. As would a dominant OLB.

And if we are filling a Hole, we better make sure it's the right hole. Try filling the wrong hole with your girlfriend and you can get in some trouble.

Obviously you haven't if you'd take Thomas over Berry. :tongue2:

You also need a new girlfriend. :chuckle:

newlownorder
03-30-2010, 01:27 AM
Trades:

J.Smiley OG>Seat 3rd

T.Thigpen QB>Buf 3rd & 5th



Draft:

1st> D.Bryant WR - Even BP can't let this talent pass him by! He has everything we need at wr, size, good speed, play maker and has a nose for the endzone.

2nd> T.Gibson OLB - Worilds was a strong possibility but ends up too short to fit this regimes mold. Gibson is a strong talent that just ran a 4.58/40 and 32 reps at 225 at his proday. With some developement Gibson could be a great pick up for us.

3rd> C.Cook CB/FS - Flexibility, has the size and speed to play both CB and FS. I think the FO actually does believe in Clemons and was trying to find a stop gap low balling a couple FA's, so it's important to add depth in the secondary.

3rd> AJ.Edds OLB/ILB - Excellent SOLB that is flexible enough to play inside.

3rd> J.Graham TE - Potential, Graham has the opportunity to be a great threat, size and speed to cause major match up problems for opposing defenses.

4th> B.Spikes ILB - BPA, Spikes falls hard and we take advantage.

5th> D.Karim RB - 4.37/40 210lbs, future replacement for Ricky, nice change of pace back.

6th> J.Owens NT - Needs time to develope into a solid NT, has great strength and is pretty quick.

6th> B.Carter OG - Depth, depth, depth

6th> C.Howard OG - see above

7th> E.Hicks FS - see above

7th> A.Woods NT - see above

7th> K.Jolly OT - see above

In the 6th and 7th rounds you could really pick anyone you like but I think the positions will be accurate. BP likes to develope NT's and young OLineman and where some think NT as a bigger priority I think P.Solai is getting better every year.

Basically this draft is summed up by letting the draft come to us, Dez is by far BPA as is Cook and Spikes. Gibson, Graham and Karim are solid prospects with huge upside.

Fire away......lol!

I honestly don't even know where to begin....honestly.....you lost me at Gibson at 43.

COphinphan89
03-30-2010, 03:00 AM
I don't care if it goes like this:

Rams: Santa Claus
Lions: Jesus Christ
Bucs: Condelezza Rice
Skins: Ernest P. Whorrel
Chiefs: Bob Costas
Seahawks: Lady Gaga and her penis
Browns: Bruce Jenner
Raiders: Usain Bolt
Toronto: Wayne Gretzky
Jags: Fred Durst
Broncos: John Elway's daughter
Fins: Eric ****ing Berry

Eric Berry or GTFO
Well said. We have to get Eric Berry. It's a MUST.

Aqua and Orange
03-30-2010, 03:15 AM
I don't care if it goes like this:

Rams: Santa Claus
Lions: Jesus Christ
Bucs: Condelezza Rice
Skins: Ernest P. Whorrel
Chiefs: Bob Costas
Seahawks: Lady Gaga and her penis
Browns: Bruce Jenner
Raiders: Usain Bolt
Toronto: Wayne Gretzky
Jags: Fred Durst
Broncos: John Elway's daughter
Fins: Eric ****ing Berry

Eric Berry or GTFO

Man, someone is going to be one disappointed fan come draft day. Berry will be off the board before the Dolphins brass even get in their seats.

SRM
03-30-2010, 03:33 AM
Everyone knows Sam Bradford will go first overall. Eric Berry could fall to us. Unlikely, yes, but it could happen. Ed Reed fell how far?

Well was Ed Reed projected to go top 5?

I'm not questioning you, I'm seriously wondering.

3rdandinches
03-30-2010, 03:58 AM
Everyone knows Sam Bradford will go first overall. Eric Berry could fall to us. Unlikely, yes, but it could happen. Ed Reed fell how far?

So what happens when the STLou doctors tell the FO that they think he'll have re-occurring shoulder problems?

mmikel30
03-30-2010, 05:00 AM
You also have to take into consideration that most GM's don't want to spend that high of a pick on a Safety. In my opinion, Eric Berry is MORE than worthy of the overall pick and if I had the top pick in this year's draft, Eric Berry would be my pick. he's that much better than everyone else.I had my heart set on a safety berry, thomas but after stepping back and looking at all the good safety's in the league safetys are injured way too often to justify a first round pick

#1dolphinsfan
03-30-2010, 05:06 AM
Not bad but i would like to see one more WR in the late rounds maybe take out spikes and put in Mike Williams or in the sixth round draft Marcus Easley

3rdandinches
03-30-2010, 07:05 AM
Not bad but i would like to see one more WR in the late rounds maybe take out spikes and put in Mike Williams or in the sixth round draft Marcus Easley

Unless we trade one of ours I don't see where another Reciever fits.

T.Ginn, G.Cam, D.Bess, B.Hartline, P.Turner + 1 draft pick

I'd love to see a B.White, M.Easley, E.Sanders, E.Decker, M.Williams, S.Long player drafted late but how many receivers can you keep?

JCane
03-30-2010, 07:24 AM
I like Thomas better than Berry. Look at the stats for the two players. Look at the videos. Have you done that? Even so, I'd rather have Spiller than either of them if he is available. He will impact the game more. As would a dominant OLB.

And if we are filling a Hole, we better make sure it's the right hole. Try filling the wrong hole with your girlfriend and you can get in some trouble.

Yeah, take a look at those "stats" that never tell the whole story.

Earl Thomas: 71 tackles. 8 interceptions. 24 pass defended.

Eric Berry: 83 tackles. 2 interceptions. 7 passes defended.

No why is that if Eric Berry is the better Safety? Well, watch the film. Teams were terrified to throw to Eric Berry's half of the field after seeing his ability the year before when he compiled 7 interceptions. He had 5 interceptions in the first five games. So halfway thru the season, teams stopped throwing Eric Berry's way.

No one ever seemed terrified of Earl Thomas. They kept throwing to his side of the field. Yes, he made they pay, but offensive coordinators never feared Earl Thomas the way they do Eric Berry. Eric Berry is the bigger of the two and both have equal speed.

Seriously. Draft "The Fifth Dimension" if he's available. Take him over McClain, Bryant, and Thomas.

XxfeensterxX
03-30-2010, 07:51 AM
Why? Perhaps they feel that FS is just not as important to this team as other positions, and can be filled with other prospects. Eric Berry may be YOUR dream pick, but FSs are rarely drafted this high. Using the same argument, would you be mad if they passed up the best Kicker, Punter, or Returner if this were also a position of need? What about Long Snapper? Some positions carry more weight than others, and the Phins will draft accordingly.


If the FO doesnt think FS is a posistion of major need then something is wrong with them. If you look at the gamefilms, let a lone stats and rankings, you can easily tell that big plays were are biggest problem. We were like 3rd worst in the NFL for big plays allowed. Sad.

So like I said, are major needs are probaly S,OLB,WR,NT. Who on the board at any of those posistions is a better prospect then Eric Berry? You shouldnt be able to answer that due to the fact the only player who can even be mentioned in being the same prospect level as him is Suh.

3rdandinches
03-30-2010, 08:46 AM
If the FO doesnt think FS is a posistion of major need then something is wrong with them. If you look at the gamefilms, let a lone stats and rankings, you can easily tell that big plays were are biggest problem. We were like 3rd worst in the NFL for big plays allowed. Sad.

So like I said, are major needs are probaly S,OLB,WR,NT. Who on the board at any of those posistions is a better prospect then Eric Berry? You shouldnt be able to answer that due to the fact the only player who can even be mentioned in being the same prospect level as him is Suh.

But you and I have no real idea if they believe Clemons is a year or so away and only need a stop gap until then. Thus making drafting Berry or Thomas a lower priority especially when we have to replenish our OLB's, might have a chance to get Spiller or Bryant or trade back and get more picks.

I agree that FS is a big priority but I don't see C.Clemons everyday and have no idea how their big board is laid out.

Pinkboy
03-30-2010, 09:07 AM
Yeah, take a look at those "stats" that never tell the whole story.

Earl Thomas: 71 tackles. 8 interceptions. 24 pass defended.

Eric Berry: 83 tackles. 2 interceptions. 7 passes defended.

No why is that if Eric Berry is the better Safety? Well, watch the film. Teams were terrified to throw to Eric Berry's half of the field after seeing his ability the year before when he compiled 7 interceptions. He had 5 interceptions in the first five games. So halfway thru the season, teams stopped throwing Eric Berry's way.

No one ever seemed terrified of Earl Thomas. They kept throwing to his side of the field. Yes, he made they pay, but offensive coordinators never feared Earl Thomas the way they do Eric Berry. Eric Berry is the bigger of the two and both have equal speed.

Seriously. Draft "The Fifth Dimension" if he's available. Take him over McClain, Bryant, and Thomas.

This is from someone with the Steelers- (and I agree 100% with him)

Earl Thomas, FS, Texas: Here’s a guy I was willing to ignore because of A.) the depth of the position in the draft, B.) his poor showing against the Alabama run game, and, C.) the fact the Steelers signed two safeties in free agency and already have Troy Polamalu at the position. Then I learned yesterday that the Steelers had scheduled Thomas for a visit on April 8-9.

When I searched his numbers for my story, I read an intelligent write-up in which the analyst compared Thomas to Polamalu. Not that I take such media remarks seriously, but when I turned the tape on to re-watch Thomas in the national championship game, the comparison rang true. Sure, Thomas was run over a couple of times by the Alabama RBs.

But as I watched him closely, I saw the quick-twitch Polamalu speed as Thomas came up hard to upend Alabama backs on a handful of occasions with shoulder-first dives at their feet. I also watched Thomas stop three breakaway Alabama plays down the sideline with a burst of speed from the middle of the field. I also watched Alabama – seemingly on purpose – avoid throwing at all to anyone covered by Thomas.The three or four deep Alabama passes were all thrown with the other Texas safety over the top. Nick Saban was not about to let Thomas beat him, because, as a redshirt sophomore, Thomas had intercepted a school-record eight passes, 10 in his two-year career.

In the title game, he was used as a chess piece in the Polamalu mold: He blitzed, covered slot receivers, played deep center field, played in the box, and on special teams he was used as a jammer and later came off the edge and almost blocked a punt. He’ll play this coming season as a 21-year-old and is nearly the exact size (5-10.2, 208) as Polamalu (5-10.1, 206) when Polamalu came out. Polamalu ran a 4.40 40 at his combine and dipped into the 4.3s at his Pro Day. Thomas ran a 4.48 at the combine and will likely run faster at his Pro Day (March 31). Thomas might also be able to play cornerback, and could in the least replace Deshea Townsend as the Steelers’ nickel back and third safety.

However, with Thomas’s stock on the rise, and the prototype having been established by Polamalu (no safety shorter than 5-11 had been drafted in the first round for 19 years before Polamalu), it’s unlikely that Thomas will be available at pick 18. The Jacksonville Jaguars, at 10, are becoming the choice landing spot on mock drafts for Thomas, after the safety-deficient Jags addressed their other main weakness by signing pass-rusher Aaron Kampman in free agency.

But, there’s the possibility of trading up, something Kevin Colbert has done twice. The first time in team history was in 2003, when the Steelers held their breath as the San Diego Chargers, picking 15th with a hole at SS after losing Rodney Harrison, traded down 15 spots to draft a CB named Sammy Davis. The Steelers then moved up 11 spots to draft Polamalu with the 16th pick. It cost them third-round and sixth-round picks, which was less than half of the points required, according to the draft pick value board. If the Steelers can procure a similar deal this year, or even pay a smaller price if the Jaguars pass on Thomas at 10, it’s the move I expect them to make.

dolfan_101
03-30-2010, 09:45 AM
I like Thomas better than Berry. Look at the stats for the two players. Look at the videos. Have you done that? Even so, I'd rather have Spiller than either of them if he is available. He will impact the game more. As would a dominant OLB.

And if we are filling a Hole, we better make sure it's the right hole. Try filling the wrong hole with your girlfriend and you can get in some trouble.

I never have that problem wise guy :hump::hump:

And yes I have seen the tapes and know the stats PLUS measurables. From this I find you insane.

MadDog 88
03-30-2010, 09:53 AM
But you and I have no real idea if they believe Clemons is a year or so away and only need a stop gap until then. Thus making drafting Berry or Thomas a lower priority especially when we have to replenish our OLB's, might have a chance to get Spiller or Bryant or trade back and get more picks.

I agree that FS is a big priority but I don't see C.Clemons everyday and have no idea how their big board is laid out.
Clemons was #2 SS on the depth chart. Coverage is not his strong point. Not sure I want to try another SS at FS after the Wilson fiasco.