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Seminole51
03-30-2010, 07:13 PM
Im just curious... with Ronnie Brown's contract up after this season, Ricky saying this is his last year, Patrick Cobbs coming off an ACL, and our 4th RB nothing more than a fan favorite with a 70's porn mustache... Why is is so far fetched to take a player whom many think could be one of the biggest HR hitters in the draft? Spiller is blazing fast, had something like 20+ TDs of 50 or more yards and could easily be the Percy Harvin of this draft. Im not saying we SHOULD draft Spiller, Im just wondering why so many people are against it....

72champagne
03-30-2010, 07:15 PM
cause its a #12 and we have no defense.

Spesh
03-30-2010, 07:17 PM
cause its a #12 and we have no defense.

This.

Plus for the fact that we already have 2 Pro-bowl running backs and 2 other promising backs on the roster.

burger13
03-30-2010, 07:19 PM
cause its a #12 and we have no defense.

we also have no big play potential on offense....

too many people just look at need IMO. If you think CJ Spiller is going to have the same impact as say Chris Johnson....why wouldn't you take him?

Seminole51
03-30-2010, 07:20 PM
Patrick Cobbs is NOT an everydown guy and Lex Hillard is a back-up at best. Im just trying to play devil's advocate. Ricky is gone after this year and there is no guarentee Ronnie is back either.

NYinBostonFin
03-30-2010, 07:20 PM
Easy answer....because so many love Ronnie and drafting Spiller most likely will be his exit out.

Add the fact that those who want a WR want Dez

Add the fact that we need Defense badly.

The only way we go Spiller, is if we have a trading partner for Ronnie. IMO

Seminole51
03-30-2010, 07:21 PM
Also, why not use him like the Vikes did Harvin and line him up at WR and RB.

Seminole51
03-30-2010, 07:23 PM
Why does drafting Spiller mean Ronnie has to leave? Why not have a dual backfield of Ronnie and Spiller for after Ricky leaves? Whats wrong with that?

SuperMarksBros.
03-30-2010, 07:26 PM
RB is the most expendible position in football. How many late round/undrafted stud RBs are currently in the league? We have defensive needs.

SQuinn17
03-30-2010, 07:28 PM
Spiller is a playmaker and we need them. I wouldn't be mad if we got him at 12. Would rather have Berry or Thomas though.

Spesh
03-30-2010, 07:36 PM
RB is the most expendible position in football. How many late round/undrafted stud RBs are currently in the league? We have defensive needs.

Plus for the fact that they are the quickest position to deteriorate, while many defensive positions can play easily into their 30's with little problem(nose tackle in particular).

Last year opposing teams scored no less then 27 points each in the last 3 games, that just wont do. As well, if you want a game changer on offense, we need to look at receiver as we simply do not have one with that skill set.
Meanwhile, we had the best rushing attack in football until injuries mounted. From a simple X's and O's standpoint, what good will Spiller do if we are down by +25 points a game and all the opposing defense has to do is stack 8 in the box cause they dont respect our passing game?

Planning long term for a position that can be filled immediately by rookies(in the future) while we have short term needs that will continue into the future makes no sense.

NYinBostonFin
03-30-2010, 07:42 PM
Why does drafting Spiller mean Ronnie has to leave? Why not have a dual backfield of Ronnie and Spiller for after Ricky leaves? Whats wrong with that?

Because drafting a luxury like Spiller will leave the holes in our team we have now. Getting (let's say) a #2 pick for Ronnie would help the FO make the decision to make the luxury pick, having the picks to draft defense later.

Also take into account Ronnie's last year, and his injury history...it would be the smarter move.

SebasMiamiFan
03-30-2010, 08:00 PM
If our defense was dominant, I'd be all for drafting Spiller as we need a RB because it's going to be an issue next year if Ronnie is hurt again, Ricky leaves, and the other RB's don't do well.

However, our defense is mediocre and we need to use the entire draft on defense (maybe 1 pick on offense).

CW_McGraw
03-30-2010, 08:09 PM
we also have no big play potential on offense....

too many people just look at need IMO. If you think CJ Spiller is going to have the same impact as say Chris Johnson....why wouldn't you take him?

Please. Spiller should be giving half of his massive rookie salary he'll be getting to Chris Johnson, because if Johnson didn't explode onto the scene like he did, Spiller would be seen as just another Reggie Bush clone and would be a borderline first round prospect.

CW_McGraw
03-30-2010, 08:11 PM
Also, why not use him like the Vikes did Harvin and line him up at WR and RB.

Because Percy Harvin's good rookie season had more to do with Favre's arrival and the emergence of Sidney Rice than it did his own talent. If Sage GoesAndFalls or Tavaris Jackson is at QB, Harvin would have accomplished little on offense.

foozool13
03-30-2010, 08:14 PM
Running backs are a dime a dozen, especially now in the modern day drafts...sure there are exceptions like Peterson for instance, but for every Adrian Peterson or Emmit Smith, there is a Ray Rice. Great backs can be found in later rounds. I'm not saying by any means that Rice is a HOFer...but he is more than adequate for a starting RB. Top 10

burger13
03-30-2010, 08:15 PM
If our defense was dominant, I'd be all for drafting Spiller as we need a RB because it's going to be an issue next year if Ronnie is hurt again, Ricky leaves, and the other RB's don't do well.

However, our defense is mediocre and we need to use the entire draft on defense (maybe 1 pick on offense).

In 2008 the Jests defense was mediocre...

then they bring in a good defensive coach, acquire some ok system players and they became one of the better defensese in the league.

Nolan could make a huge difference for us too.

not saying we should ignore the defense...but it is no sure thing that we need to take a defender at #12 in order for our D to make a huge leap.

best player available.

Canadi-Phin
03-30-2010, 08:25 PM
best player available is the way to go. If Spiller is that guy then we take him.

The comment about late round or UDFA RBs in the league, that can be said about every position. If they believe he is a game changer at RB, KR, and PR then I think we should take him. Team him with Ronnie and Ricky and have him line up in the slot on plays would be great. The only player I'd be mad about us taking at 12 would be JPP. EVeryone else you can understand where their heads are at.

Fins NY 72
03-30-2010, 08:29 PM
Dolphin's management:
The wildcat was designed to put the Dolphins best two players on the field at the same time. Ronnie and Ricky.

When we you have massive needs in other areas, which we do it makes no sense to have your 3 best players play the same position. I don't know if Spiller would be one of the three best players but even if he did, it makes no sense. I'm not hating him, it just makes no sense.

AdamC13
03-30-2010, 08:32 PM
I am not against it. I may be part of the minority on finheaven, but most play makers are taken in the 1st round and this offense is in desperate need.

I think Miami's should take Dez Bryant if he is available. If not, take Spiller. Then spend the next three picks on OLB, NT, and FS.

AdamC13
03-30-2010, 08:38 PM
Running backs are a dime a dozen, especially now in the modern day drafts...sure there are exceptions like Peterson for instance, but for every Adrian Peterson or Emmit Smith, there is a Ray Rice. Great backs can be found in later rounds.

This can be said about every position b/c there are always exceptions to the rule. But most of the time GREAT backs are found in the 1st round.

CW_McGraw
03-30-2010, 08:45 PM
this offense is in desperate need.

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2010/03/29983973-1.jpg

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2010/03/defense-1.jpg

Seriously, what the hell are people basing this wrong opinion off of?

AdamC13
03-30-2010, 09:35 PM
Seriously, what the hell are people basing this wrong opinion off of?

My exact question to you... :lol:

Is that really ALL you got to show to try and indicate that we do have play makers on this offense and are NOT in need? A stat showing we were 15th in the league in scoring last year?

You post stats showing Miami was 15th in the league in scoring in which we averaged 9.5 fewer points per game than the Super Bowl champions and I am supposed to be wowed by that and now think that we do have play makers on our offense and it shouldn't get addressed?

Did you know that in the past 40 Super Bowls (since the merger) there have ONLY been "3" teams that have ranked 15th or below in points scored during that year and WON the Super Bowl. And there has ONLY been "3" teams that ranked 15th or below (actually all 3 ranked 15th) in points scored that year and lost the Super Bowl. That makes ONLY 6 of the 80 teams making the Super Bowl since the merger ranked 15th or below (4 of those teams ranked 15th) in points scored that year.

Then our leader in TD receptions last was Hartline with "3"...are friggen you kidding.

And our top 2 RBs who led our team in TDs (Ricky 11, Ronnie 8)...Ricky will be 33 years old when the season starts, wore down at the end of last year, and his contract expires after this year. Then there is the often injured Ronnie who will be turning 29 during the season and his contract will also expire at the end of this year and there is a good chance our FO will not be willing to give him the type of $$ he will be looking for at the end of his career.

And perhaps you missed the part where I said the next THREE picks need to address the defense? This follows our signing of Karlos Dansby as well.

SERIOUSLY!!...You got to do better than that if you think I am going to agree with your "wrong" opinion that our offense is not in need of play makers.

sharp
03-30-2010, 09:39 PM
The question is, is Thomas on Berry's level? I think hes a step below and I believe Spiller is probably BPA at the time.

CW_McGraw
03-30-2010, 09:56 PM
My exact question to you... :lol:

Is that really ALL you got to show to try and indicate that we do have play makers on this offense and are NOT in need? A stat showing we were 15th in the league in scoring last year?

You post stats showing Miami was 15th in the league in scoring in which we averaged 9.5 fewer points per game than the Super Bowl champions and I am supposed to be wowed by that and now think that we do have play makers on our offense and it shouldn't get addressed?

Did you know that in the past 40 Super Bowls (since the merger) there have ONLY been "3" teams that have ranked 15th or below in points scored during that year and WON the Super Bowl. And there has ONLY been "3" teams that ranked 15th or below (actually all 3 ranked 15th) in points scored that year and lost the Super Bowl. That makes ONLY 6 of the 80 teams making the Super Bowl since the merger ranked 15th or below (4 of those teams ranked 15th) in points scored that year.

Then our leader in TD receptions last was Hartline with "3"...are friggen you kidding.

And our top 2 RBs who led our team in TDs (Ricky 11, Ronnie 8)...Ricky will be 33 years old when the season starts, wore down at the end of last year, and his contract expires after this year. Then there is the often injured Ronnie who will be turning 29 during the season and his contract will also expire at the end of this year and there is a good chance our FO will not be willing to give him the type of $$ he will be looking for at the end of his career.

And perhaps you missed the part where I said the next THREE picks need to address the defense? This follows our signing of Karlos Dansby as well.

SERIOUSLY!!...You got to do better than that if you think I am going to agree with your "wrong" opinion that our offense is not in need of play makers.

We were without our best QB and RB for almost the entire year. Our interior offensive line was mangled for much of the year. Despite starting a QB who had never started a game in the NFL before and a 32 year old running back, we were 15th in scoring. I don't know about you, but when a team overcomes all that and remains statistically above average, that's encouraging. The problem on offense was staying healthy. When Ronnie and Ricky are together, our offense is pretty good. It'd sure as hell be good enough to win a Super Bowl if we weren't as bad as the Lions and Rams on defense.

Also, the Super Bowl champion who averaged 9.5 more PPG than us were one of the less than 15 teams to score 500 points in a single season. To hold us to that standard of historical dominance is absurd.

Furthermore, assuming our offense is actually the problem, drafting a WR who hasn't played organized football since September of 2009 or a career change of pace back isn't going to fix our offense.

Chubby
03-30-2010, 09:57 PM
I like Spiller as a player but have listed on several threads which are searchable why it would be foolish for us to draft him @12.
Chubbs

Orlando Fan
03-30-2010, 10:05 PM
If Spiller is around at #12, I expect there will be teams willing to trade up for him. I believe some RB straved team will move up to get him in the late teens to early 20's.

If there are no takers and Berry and Thomas are gone then the Fins may very well draft him as the BPA.

Chubby
03-30-2010, 10:09 PM
If Spiller is around at #12, I expect there will be teams willing to trade up for him. I believe some RB straved team will move up to get him in the late teens to early 20's.

If there are no takers and Berry and Thomas are gone then the Fins may very well draft him as the BPA.
If Spiller is there at 12 then he will be there at 13. With the state of the Running Back Position now in the NFL I would not and could not see any team beeing foolish enough to move up(give up picks) to draft a running Back in the first.

This is not the 80s or 90s anymore where you need 1 stud running Back per team who could play for you for 10+ years.

Second Round sure
Third Round not a problem
Chubbs

AdamC13
03-30-2010, 10:35 PM
We were without our best QB and RB for almost the entire year. Our interior offensive line was mangled for much of the year. Despite starting a QB who had never started a game in the NFL before and a 32 year old running back, we were 15th in scoring. I don't know about you, but when a team overcomes all that and remains statistically above average, that's encouraging. The problem on offense was staying healthy. When Ronnie and Ricky are together, our offense is pretty good. It'd sure as hell be good enough to win a Super Bowl if we weren't as bad as the Lions and Rams on defense.

Also, the Super Bowl champion who averaged 9.5 more PPG than us were one of the less than 15 teams to score 500 points in a single season. To hold us to that standard of historical dominance is absurd.

Furthermore, assuming our offense is actually the problem, drafting a WR who hasn't played organized football since September of 2009 or a career change of pace back isn't going to fix our offense.

Our QB for 12 starts last year that you think was not our best WILL be the starting QB again this year assuming he stays healthy.

Our 32 and 28 year old running backs WILL be 33 and 29 this year. The chances of them getting injured INCREASES every year, not decrease. That is OLD for RB's. Chances are EVERY year will be a problem with injuries for R & R from here on out. Hence, why drafting Spiller is a GOOD idea.

The stats I gave you about teams ranking 15th or below in scoring offense is not about historical dominance. Those stats cover the past 40 years of Super Bowls since the merger.

Skill will not be a problem with Dez Bryant...fitness and maturity might be.

I would not say Spiller is a change of pace back...VERSATILE is more like it. Spiller caught 123 passes in college. It would be no problem to have him in on 1st, 2nd or 3rd down to run or receive. Having him the backfield would really open up our playbook for running screen passes.

The way of the NFL nowadays is to rely on a 2 running back system. Are Ronnie and Ricky change of pace backs?

At least now you acknowledge our offense is in need of a fix. Sparano himself talked about the need to get play makers who could get "chunk yardage" this off season. Those players are typically found in the 1st round.

BobDole
03-30-2010, 10:51 PM
running backs can easily be found in the later rounds. easily. whoever said dime a dozen is exactly right.

besides, he doesn't really fit our system. we need a powerful downhill guy to run behind the mauling o-line we're going for. it just makes sense.

CW_McGraw
03-30-2010, 10:53 PM
I just don't think our offense needs a RB or WR. RBs have such a short shelflife that I can't justify spending a first round pick on one. And in regards to our WR problem, I'm one of the few people who think Brian Hartline could actually be a legit #1 WR. Maybe he won't be an All Pro or a Hall of Famer like TO or Moss, but for a team that runs the ball like we do, he'd work well. I think our problem on offense is at TE. Fasano honestly wasn't even that great in 08 (He led the team on drops) adds little to the passing game, while Sperry and Haynos are warm bodies. If there were a legit first round TE prospect in this draft, I could live with us spending our pick there.

X-Pacolypse
03-31-2010, 12:45 AM
Many are against Spiller, because Miami NEEDS defensive help moreso than a RB.