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rev kev
04-13-2010, 07:29 PM
This I cut and pasted for a subject of conversation about a week and a half ago - with no intention to be "scientific" i posted it in the religion forum..., it was around the time when the lights went out across FinHeaven - I apologize for the third time for putting anyone's tighty whitie in s knot...


Mr. Harold Hill, President of the Curtis Engine Company in Baltimore, Maryland, and a consultant in the space program, relates the following development.


'I think one of the most amazing things that God has done for us today happened recently to our astronauts and space scientists at Green Belt, Maryland .

They were checking out where the positions of the sun, moon, and planets would be 100 years and 1,000 years from now. We have to know this so we won't send up a satellite and have it bump into something later on in its orbits.

We have to lay out the orbits in terms of the life of the satellite and where the planets will be so the whole thing will not bog down.

They ran the computer measurement back and forth over the centuries, and it came to a halt. The computer stopped and put up a red signal, which meant that there was something wrong with either the information fed into it or with the results as compared to the standards.


They called in the service department to check it out, and they said, 'What's wrong?' Well, they found there is a day missing in space in elapsed time.

They scratched their heads and tore their hair out. There was no answer.

Finally a Christian man on the team said, 'You know, one time I was in Sunday School, and they talked about the sun standing still.' While they didn't believe him, they didn't have an answer either, so they said, 'Show us, '

He got a Bible and went to the book of Joshua where they found a pretty ridiculous statement for any one with 'common sense.'

There they found the Lord saying to Joshua, 'Fear them not, I have delivered them into thy hand; there shall not a man of them stand before Thee.'

Joshua was concerned because he was surrounded by the enemy! And if darkness fell, they would overpower them. So Joshua asked the Lord to make the sun stand still! That's right... 'The sun stood still and the moon stayed and lasted not to go down about a whole day!'
(Joshua 10:12-13)

The astronauts and scientists said, There is the missing day! They checked the computers going back into the time it was written and found it was close but not close enough. The elapsed time that was missing back in Joshua's day was 23 hours and 20 minutes, not a whole day.

They read the Bible, and there it was about [approximately] a day. These little words in the Bible are important, but they were still in trouble because if you cannot account for 40 minutes, you'll still be in trouble 1000 years from now.

Forty minutes had to be found because it can be multiplied many times over in orbits. As the Christian employee thought about it, he remembered somewhere in the Bible where it said the sun went BACKWARDS.

The scientists told him he was out of his mind, but they got out the Book and read these words in 2 Kings that told of the following story: Hezekiah, on his death bed, was visited by the prophet Isaiah who told him that he was not going to die. Hezekiah asked for a sign as proof. Isaiah said 'Do you want the sun to go ahead 10 degrees?'

Hezekiah said, 'It is nothing for the sun to go ahead 10 degrees, but let the shadow return backward 10 degrees.' Isaiah spoke to the Lord, and the Lord brought the shadow ten degrees BACKWARD! Ten degrees is exactly 40 minutes!'

Twenty-three hours and 20 minutes in Joshua, plus 40 minutes in Second Kings make the missing day in the universe! Isn't it amazing?

References : Joshua 10:8 and 12,13 and 2 Kings 20:9-11.

EvilDylan
04-16-2010, 05:26 AM
Sorry.

Except for the reference to the astronauts, this version of 'the Missing Day' story has been around for nearly 30 years.
Harold Hill was a real person and he was the president of the Curtis Engine Company in Baltimore, Maryland. He had converted to Christianity as an adult and became a popular speaker among Christian groups, because he was a successful businessman, claimed to be a consultant to NASA, and did presentations on science and the Bible.
One of his most popular presentations was the story of the Missing Day.
Harold Hill apparently told the story without much notice until October 1969, when a columnist for a small American newspaper was told about one of his speeches and was given some notes about the Missing Day.
She was so intrigued, that she wrote it up and it was published.
The columnist's name was Mary Kathryn Bryan and her column appeared in the Spencer Evening World in Spencer, Indiana.
According to the newspaper, the results of that particular column were 'simply unbelievable'.
They started receiving requests from all over the world for reprints of the article, and finally stopped counting when the number of inquiries passed 1,500.
The total number of cards, letters and telephone calls is now in the thousands.
From that article, the Missing Day story found its way into untold numbers of magazines, newspapers, gospel tracts, books and now emails.
Harold Hill himself included it in a Christian book which he wrote. The story has several problems, however.
One problem is that apart from Harold Hill, there is no known source for the NASA story.
For many years, whenever anyone wrote to him about it, he sent a form letter which said he had misplaced the source of the information, but would send everybody a copy when he found it.
The source never materialized. In his subsequent book, Hill dismissed all skepticism about the story and said that no substantiation was needed.
His attitude was that if people believed it and it drew them to spiritual things, it was justified.
Another problem is that NASA has denied that Harold Hill was ever one of its consultants.
James S. Lacy, from the Office of Public Relations for NASA, wrote in a letter to a journalist that the only trace they could find of a Harold Hill having any connection with NASA was a person who was involved in contracting for the operations and maintenance of some diesel engine operations.
Further, according to a letter I have from the NASA Public Affairs office in Washington, 'There is no truth to the recurring story that NASA uncovered a lost day in the movement of the Earth.'
It is interesting to note that an attempt to explain Joshua's long day from a scientific standpoint was published many years before Harold Hill's NASA story. In the 1930s, Dr Harry Rimmer wrote a book called 'The Harmony of Science and Scripture', in which he drew from an 1890 book by Yale professor C.A. Totten. Using popular biblical chronologies of the time, Totten concluded that the world was created 4,000 years before the birth of Christ, on Sunday, September 22, 4000BC. However, he said that the calendar calculations showed that September 22 was actually a Monday, and not a Sunday, and that the error was probably because of Joshua's missing day.
Totten also makes reference to the Hezekiah story in 2 Kings and argues that this accounts for another missing 20 minutes or so. Totten's calculations sound suspiciously familiar to the NASA story. The bottom line seems to be that there is a lot still missing about 'the Missing Day'.

EvilDylan
04-16-2010, 05:31 AM
Also.

http://www.snopes.com/religion/lostday.asp

Ok, I'm really not trying to be insulting or anything, but did you actually try and see if this was true or not? I mean this is the problem that I (personally) have with many religious people. They take a story that they were told and absolutely without a doubt believe it without doing any sort of research or trying to find out the truth for themselves. I just don't agree with this line of thinking.

aesop
04-18-2010, 05:21 PM
I'm pretty sure I made a response to this citing what EvilDylan just stated.. not sure if if my internet crapped out or it got deleted.

tylerdolphin
04-18-2010, 06:43 PM
I'm pretty sure I made a response to this citing what EvilDylan just stated.. not sure if if my internet crapped out or it got deleted.
Probably got wiped out with the server switch

aesop
04-18-2010, 07:17 PM
Probably got wiped out with the server switchAh, thank you. No foul play. :hi5:

EvilDylan
04-18-2010, 09:32 PM
I'm pretty sure I made a response to this citing what EvilDylan just stated.. not sure if if my internet crapped out or it got deleted.


Well, what did ya say? Inquiring minds wanna know. :up:

rev kev
04-21-2010, 03:30 PM
AESOP and EvilDylan and Everyone...

Well I believe I apologized once prior to the lights going out..., I can stand up and apologize a second time..., I admit "not editing" the post fully before cutting and pasting, and while I am never attempting to change anyone's mind the article belongs in this "religion" forum... I actually don't profess it to be true but I posted it that way not intentioanlly but rather to spark a conversation on a very dry day as we wait for the draft - I believe within a day later we had the Marshall trade - and like I said the lights went out a few hours later - I apologize a second time... Just attempting to stir a conversation was all...

You can put your knives away - again... Or not... :)

EvilDylan
04-21-2010, 07:51 PM
Ok, so what was the conversation you were attempting to stir going to be about?

aesop
04-22-2010, 11:32 AM
I call BS. This was presented as if it was compelling evidence compounding science with religion. Seems like you're backtracking and trying to dig yourself out of another hole after throwing out information without looking into it for a second.

EvilDylan
04-23-2010, 01:06 PM
I call BS. This was presented as if it was compelling evidence compounding science with religion. Seems like you're backtracking and trying to dig yourself out of another hole after throwing out information without looking into it for a second.

I completely agree, this is why I asked what exactly was the conversation he was trying to stir up.

Just man up and admit you were trying to pass of some garbage as fact just to spread the "word" Rev Kev. I would actually gain some respect for you.

NYCBillsFan
04-24-2010, 11:06 PM
Nothing like stirring up conversation that flies directly in the face of your faith. Awesome.

EvilDylan
04-27-2010, 12:38 PM
So Rev Kev were you ever planning on actually discussing what you said you'd like to discuss?