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hooshoops
07-20-2010, 10:44 PM
bama under the microscope

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5396236

Namor
07-20-2010, 11:25 PM
bama under the microscope

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5396236

Not Bama....
just a player....still might be nothing.
Scumy agents

Plus Bama is the one investigating this,so how is Bama under microscope?
The WORST that can happen is Marcell is gone.

JCane
07-20-2010, 11:28 PM
Saban nailed it when he commented on this saying the NCAA needs to go after the agents. If there's no discliplinary actions against these agents, what's to stop them from going after another kid.

If a guy is in your neighborhood selling drugs to the neighborhood kids and all we do is arrest the kids, we're not really solving anything are we?

Namor
07-20-2010, 11:32 PM
Saban nailed it when he commented on this saying the NCAA needs to go after the agents. If there's no discliplinary actions against these agents, what's to stop them from going after another kid.

If a guy is in your neighborhood selling drugs to the neighborhood kids and all we do is arrest the kids, we're not really solving anything are we?

Remember JC..Saban leaving the Dolphins caused a ripple effect in the time stream causing all agents to get all college kids in trouble
so they HAVE to go to the NFL early allowing Nick to get back in the NFL.
It's all Saban's fault.
LOL

Namor
07-20-2010, 11:42 PM
As of right now ,all that is known is the Marcell Darius,DT ,and probably top 10 pick in the next draft,attended a party
with several other big time college players(there are more names from other schools to come).
How much contact and who paid for the trip down to south beach is what is in question.
It might be something or it might not...we'll have to see.

JCane
07-21-2010, 12:19 AM
Rumor has it PBJ was at this party as well.

TedSlimmJr
07-21-2010, 01:53 AM
I don't even think these were "agents" yet.... and whoever they are need to be dragged out in the street and shot on the spot...

But the FIRST thing that needs to be done is instead naming all the kids that may have attended this "party"... they need to get the names of these scumbag agents out there for everyone to see so they can be ridiculed too.... then drag them out in the street and shoot them...

Bama and their compliance department reported this first.... that's how it got out there... they're doing their own investigation to find out exactly what happened... Apparently there's a bunch of kids (lets be real here... big time NFL prospects) from SEVERAL different schools that all attended this party on South Beach together... and Marcel Dareus is good friends with UNC defensive tackle Marvin Austin.... who may or may not have paid for Dareus' transportation, etc...

The NCAA only gets involved when it's deemed that a University is not in compliance, or is knowingly and willingly cheating... which isn't the case here... Saban and Dr. Witt want Dareus to spill his guts and nip this **** in the bud right now....

Dareus admits he was there, but is steadfast in his assertion that he paid for everything himself..... whatever the truth is, Dareus just needs to make damn sure he tells it... no matter what it is.. just tell the truth son...

I just can't understand why these kids do this either... Here you have a BUNCH of college NFL PROSPECTS from different schools all over the country going to a PARTY on SOUTH BEACH put on by a BUNCH of AGENTS.... HELLOOOO!!! Does it not cross your mind that there's probably something not right about it and you're putting your eligibility at risk... and worse off.. the well being of the University and the program you're playing for....

Saban and Alabama's compliance department pound it in these kids heads over, and over, and over and over again that they can't accept ANYTHING from ANY agents or sports authorities..... you just can't...

Like Namor pointed out, what they have to find out is exactly what benefits Dareus recieved (if any) and the amount of money they were worth.... If it's $500 or less, it can be construed as "incidental" and only restitution and a game or two suspension... If it's things of high value, it could cost Dareus his eligibility and he'll be off the team..... either way.. Bama isn't under any microscope... this supposedly happened this summer and Dareus hasn't played in any games uneligible...

TedSlimmJr
07-21-2010, 01:58 AM
Saban and the rest of the SEC coaches are going to be in rare form tomorrow when SEC media days commence..... and the NFL and Roger Goodell better lend an ear...

chrisbaucom
07-21-2010, 02:20 PM
I'm pretty sure Saban may have assassinated JFK too.........it's possible.

COphinphan89
07-21-2010, 08:23 PM
Now Georgia is being looked at. We'll have the whole damned conference under the magnifying glass before too long.

X-Pacolypse
07-21-2010, 08:42 PM
Now Georgia is being looked at. We'll have the whole damned conference under the magnifying glass before too long.

Damn. This is nuckin futs.

Namor
07-21-2010, 09:27 PM
From what I'm hearing ,several ACC schools had players there,also.
What the freak kind of party was this? A 2011 pre-draft shindig?
VT will probaly be one of the next schools called.
This thing is BIG.

TedSlimmJr
07-22-2010, 09:19 AM
It's huge Namor.... more and more schools throughout the SEC and ACC are going to be getting contacted by the NCAA.... up next.. Georgia. Although A.J. Green says he never went to South Beach... and his teammate, WR Michael Moore, confirms this...

Looks like Patrick Peterson (LSU), Pernell McPhee (Miss. St.), Wesley Saunders (S. Carolina), Marvin Austin (N. Carolina), Marcel Dareus (Bama), and SEVERAL, SEVARAL more players from schools all throughout the SEC/ACC may have been there.... which it doesn't matter unless any of them received benefits of some sort from an agent type....

Basically, Tennessee may be the only school safe here... because most of their players couldn't leave the state without it being a parole violation anyway....:lol:






That's exactly what this was.... a big 2011 Pre-draft shindig... it was a setup by "runners" and agents who've all been backstabbing and dropping dimes on each other in order to get all the best players from the SEC in trouble... along with the programs... and it stems from the USC fallout.... What this amounts to is Lane Kiffin and some USC trustees conspiring to get the SEC caught up in a cesspool of violations....

The NCAA hated to finally have to nail their darling USC... and now they're on the war path to tar and feather every program throughout the southern region.... but the SEC programs and coaches have all bonded together in this... and they have the biggest gun out there on their side to lead them into battle.... SEC Commissioner Mike Slive...

It's time to finally hold the dirtbags (agents, etc) responsible for things like this accountable.. instead of punishing the schools, other students, and their families that have nothing to do with it....

When the SEC decides to completely shut NFL scouts outside campus doors and not let them in to practices and evaluate players..... that's when the NFL will finally do something to try to curtail this situation... and that's exactly what will happen once Saban and Urban Meyer decide to do it... everyone else will follow suit...

Remember, the SEC is a family... a brotherhood....

JCane
07-22-2010, 09:40 AM
Well, I can guarantee Miami isn't involved.

TedSlimmJr
07-22-2010, 09:57 AM
Yes apparently programs like Miami, Idaho, Tarleton St., etc. are all in the safe zone here...:lol:



In all seriousness, the wider the spectrum takes the investigation, the less likely penalties will be handed out to innocent programs... However, each school may be left to discipline the players accordingly (game or two suspension, etc.)..

But it will also force other entities like the NFL and the NFLPA to finally get involved and try to put a stop to this epidemic of "pimps", otherwise known as runners for agencies from contacting amateur athletes without being punished to the fullest extent of the law...

It's PAST time that coaches and athletic programs were let off the hook from being punished for the illegal activities of crooks....

JCane
07-22-2010, 10:06 AM
Don't get me wrong, I wish we were involved in all of this. I wish one of our players would have stolen a car and then drove Dareus to the party and then supplied him with cocaine and hookers.

****. I'm sick of being the good guy. We need to cheat because I'm sick of watching Randy Shannon lose 5'7 linebackers to Salem State. Cheat to win is what I say. Ric Flair made a career of it and how did he end up. Apparently Alabama is cheating and I see they just won a national title. Apparently Florida is cheating and they aren't too far removed from one either. So good for you dudes because I'm envious. I'm ready to cheat again. Let's level the playing field.

It just doesn't make a lot of sense for Miami to be involved when the big questions are about transportation and lodging. If it's on South Beach then our players have their own rides to and from wherever and stay on campus or right off campus.

TedSlimmJr
07-22-2010, 10:30 AM
That's incorrect.... Alabama isn't cheating...this has nothing to do with the University. This was the decision of an INDIVIDUAL.. a kid (kids in this case) who chose to go to a party hosted by an agent. And as soon as Dareus got there and realized what was going on, he left and came back and reported it to Saban.

Dareus has already provided the receipts to prove that he did indeed pay for his own transportation, and didn't even stay in the room provided for him by Marvin Austin...


Cheating is when University boosters are giving 5 star recruits benefits to attend their school... giving them a competitive advantage. Bama receives no competitive advantage by having kids on their own decide to take money or benefits from NFL agents... the only people that benefit are the agents and the kid receiving the money....

Dareus wasn't even a 5...or 4 star recruit... Neither was Mark Ingram, Javier Arenas, etc...

JCane
07-22-2010, 10:34 AM
No I get it. But it's viewed as "cheating" in a large regard whether it's the player or the program. Randy Shannon has our kids so scared that they won't even take an ice cream from a stranger practically lol. I have a friend who owns three chiropractic clinics in South Florida. He used to be with the Hurricanes as a chiropractor back in the late 90's. He said he took Damien Berry and Allen Bailey to lunch a few times recently and said you could see worry in their eyes when he picked up the check lol. That's what you have in Miami today and it sucks. So yeah, I want in on these allegations. These allegations will quickly turn into hope for me. I might even get brave and claim we win the ACC this season.

TedSlimmJr
07-22-2010, 10:50 AM
You've obviously never been through what Bama fans and supporters have had to go through over the years with shady boosters, probations, sanctions, loss of scholarships, lawsuits, politics, attempted murders, etc... all because some kid signed his name on a napkin in a restraunt (Antonio Langham)... or accepted a benefit or two from a booster.

There's a good reason why these kids should be afraid to take an ice cream cone from a stranger... a damn good reason..

hooshoops
07-23-2010, 09:45 AM
what's this...mark ingram is being looked into also

hooshoops
07-23-2010, 09:46 AM
From what I'm hearing ,several ACC schools had players there,also.
What the freak kind of party was this? A 2011 pre-draft shindig?
VT will probaly be one of the next schools called.
This thing is BIG.

vt should be called...ole gobbler gonna deny the hell out of everything also...

Namor
07-23-2010, 10:22 AM
what's this...mark ingram is being looked into also

Not anymore, it has already been clear up...TMz or whatever didn't have all the facts.

TedSlimmJr
07-23-2010, 11:07 AM
what's this...mark ingram is being looked into also


Not exactly.... Mark Ingram's trip to D.C. had already been cleared by Alabama and it's compliance department... the NCAA is just tying up loose ends here...

Basically, what this amounts to is the NCAA is investigating Marvin Austin, he could potentially be one of the "runners" for these slimeball agents... That's right... an actual college football player is potentially a "runner" for this illegal contact of agents and amateur athletes.. something TOTALLY unprecendented... And Austin was in D.C. the same time Ingram was, that's why they were looking into Ingram to see if he received any "benefits" either from Austin or the same as Austin... which he didn't .. He's already been cleared...

This investigation by the NCAA seems to be centered around Marvin Austin.... no wonder he can't play football and skates by on his recruiting hype.. he's too busy racking up frequent flyer miles attending parties all over the country in an attempt to set up other collegiate athletes...

Marvin Austin is probably done... but of course, UNC is likely to catch the brunt of it.. if this is true about Austin, UNC could be looking at the death penalty... Especially when you combine it with the fact that the NCAA was already suspicious when all those potential 1st round picks on UNC's defense decided to come back for their senior seasons for some odd reason.... apparently they received some "incentive" to do so....

hooshoops
07-23-2010, 12:30 PM
huh...that's interesting...i was wondering why all those unc players decided to stay in school...

chrisbaucom
07-23-2010, 01:15 PM
Butch may not make it to opening week if this is true.

TedSlimmJr
07-23-2010, 01:39 PM
Butch has always been a little suspect in running his programs...

Here's the facts on Marvin Austin.. just shows you how stupid the kid really is... and Butch Davis. One of the "parties" that some of these guys attented in South Beach took place at Frank Gore's house.


According to the NCAA, Marvin Austin has provided over 2,400 twitter updates bragging and leaving a trail of everything that he's been doing the past couple of months. In February he was twittering about how he was "tired of being broke".. and "somebody needs to make it rain".. etc. etc...

He recently spent 2 full weeks in Miami on South Beach...staying in luxury suites and fine hotels that range anywhere from $500 to $1,500 a night... living the VIP lifestyle in clubs and running up tabs in excess of hundreds of dollars and even posting PICTURES OF RECEIPTS where he was spending almost $150 in upscale sunglass stores like The Cheesecake Factory in Washington D.C....

He went from being broke to living the rock star lifestyle in a matter of 3 months...and he provided almost daily evidence as proof he was getting richer. He's a "runner" for rogue agents... and was flashing all of his "cash" as a means to lure other players into the agency that he was "running" for to obtain clients...

As I said, this is unprecendented....

JCane
07-23-2010, 03:14 PM
You've obviously never been through what Bama fans and supporters have had to go through over the years with shady boosters, probations, sanctions, loss of scholarships, lawsuits, politics, attempted murders, etc... all because some kid signed his name on a napkin in a restraunt (Antonio Langham)... or accepted a benefit or two from a booster.

There's a good reason why these kids should be afraid to take an ice cream cone from a stranger... a damn good reason..

Who me?? Nah man, just Uncle Luke in the 1980's lol. You know, "Thug U." Yeah, we've seen our share of shady boosters, sanctions, and loss of scholarships.

TedSlimmJr
07-23-2010, 03:38 PM
Who me?? Nah man, just Uncle Luke in the 1980's lol. You know, "Thug U." Yeah, we've seen our share of shady boosters, sanctions, and loss of scholarships.


All the more reason why you should understand why these kids are nervous about accepting anything... no matter how small it is. But the Luther Campbell fiasco is nothing compared to what Bama has been through over the years... not 1/10 of it..

The chiropractor taking these kids out for lunch and picking up the tab becomes an NCAA violation as soon as those two kids suit up and play in their first game after... that's how strict the NCAA rules are.. and it's ridiculous. You don't want the NCAA snooping around your program because of something trivial like that... but it happens. If it is deemed that Berry and Bailey received this "benefit" because of their athletic ability... it's a violation JCANE.. plain and simple... and they knew it... that's why they were worried.

I'm sure Miami's compliance department has pounded it into these kids heads over and over and over again (just like Bama has) that they CANNOT accept these things...

Hell, all Antonio Langham did was sign his name on a napkin in a restraunt saying that agreed to let the agent represent him.... you wouldn't believe the hell Bama caught over that....

Not to mention the whole Logan Young scandal over Albert Means... we're talking violent crimes, attempted murders, all kinds of ****...

It's the Universities responsibility to keep a handle on these "boosters"... because next time it might be the chiropractor buying the kids a laptop, or a pair of headphones, or taking them on a fishing trip, etc., etc..


As I've repeated many times, it's the system that is the problem...

JCane
07-23-2010, 03:47 PM
System is definitely flawed. And I know these kids are scared to take anything but it happens everywhere. The NCAA is going to go ape**** over things as trivial as a friendly dinner.

TedSlimmJr
07-23-2010, 04:01 PM
The system is horribly flawed... if the NCAA finds out about those two players receiving a dinner from the chiropractor... they are ineligible... If they play in a game ineligible, then the program is next in line to be punished for it.... the bright side is that if it's only $15 or so, only restitution needs to be paid and possibly a 1 game suspension, etc...

Ridiculous isn't it?

Here's where the double standard comes in... Universities are allowed to give these players $50,000-$80,000 scholarships based on what? Their athletic ability....

Yet the same player can't receive a $15 dinner bought for him based on that same athletic ability? :lol:



You better hope the NCAA doesn't find out about that cheeseburger JCANE.....

JCane
07-23-2010, 04:15 PM
Yeah this dinner happened last year during the summer. I'm pretty sure it has happened since then as well. He's fairly well known in the Miami area and still has close ties to the AD.

Scholarships are scholarships. If they can get them for their brains they can get them for their athletic ability as well. Kids are given tax free allowances, stipends by the schools. I think it's ridiculous they can't have a meal paid for by whoever as a "friendly gesture."

TedSlimmJr
07-23-2010, 04:24 PM
The difference is Universities can't make money off of the academic scholarships like they can athletic scholarships.... A school can't sell 90,000 tickets for everyone to come watch the brain children do a research project....

Allowances, stipends, etc... great.. Do you know how many Mark Ingram jerseys were sold last year? Do you know how much of that money Mark Ingram saw? None..

Everyone involved in these Universities profit off these kids athletic abilities.... except the athletes themselves.

JCane
07-23-2010, 04:39 PM
But the thing is, there's not enough money to pay these kids. There's just not. Football keeps the Athletic Department alive. Football pays for all of the other sports because no one else makes money. Duke basketball made a lousy $11M last year. Everyone loses money on basketball. Only Tennessee and UCONN women's basketball make any money. Everyone else operates in the red.

When you break it down financially, these jersey sales, ticket sales, etc., all of this goes into travel, hotel, and banquet expenses for ALL of the sports in the Athletic Department. These kids live on campus for free, no power bills, free cable and Internet, they're given toiletries for free, gear for free by the Universities, books for free, and a quality education to boot. Plus tax free allowances. It probably costs the Athletic Department $7000 or more a month just for all of that and that's not including the travel. Once everything is paid for, and I mean for the full roster to travel. plus coaches, plus. trainers, plus cheerleaders, plus equipment, etc., etc., etc., there's really nothing left.

TedSlimmJr
07-23-2010, 05:01 PM
But the thing is, there's not enough money to pay these kids. There's just not. Football keeps the Athletic Department alive. Football pays for all of the other sports because no one else makes money. Duke basketball made a lousy $11M last year. Everyone loses money on basketball. Only Tennessee and UCONN women's basketball make any money. Everyone else operates in the red.

When you break it down financially, these jersey sales, ticket sales, etc., all of this goes into travel, hotel, and banquet expenses for ALL of the sports in the Athletic Department. These kids live on campus for free, no power bills, free cable and Internet, they're given toiletries for free, gear for free by the Universities, books for free, and a quality education to boot. Plus tax free allowances. It probably costs the Athletic Department $7000 or more a month just for all of that and that's not including the travel. Once everything is paid for, and I mean for the full roster to travel. plus coaches, plus. trainers, plus cheerleaders, plus equipment, etc., etc., etc., there's really nothing left.


You basically just made my point... Everyone else profits off of the athletic ability of one Mark Ingram, for example... and/or his jersey sales... except Mark.

But it depends on the University as to how much is left... lets be honest here. I know when Miami won it's last national championship (2001) the athletic department was operating in the red...

The perks that come with these scholarships (and basic living neccessities that you pointed out) is nothing compared to what they're bringing in..

$7,000 a month X 12 = $84,000 a year

Alabama pays one assistant coach 10 times that amount a year....


The problem you run into with paying the players is making it fair.... Does Mark Ingram deserve to be paid more than Alfred McCullough? Of course he does... but how do you tell Alfred that?

Also, if you pay the football players, they're gonna want you to pay the track and field athetes too.. and the baseball players, etc...

But like you said, college football pays the bills.... so basically you tell the other sports to sit down and shut up and just enjoy the money their getting from the football program. You also have to factor in the money from tv contracts, bowl appearances, etc. etc...


Bottom line is it can be done... but probably shouldn't in all honesty. Instead, the main problem I have is with the NCAA.... Programs shouldn't have to be tarred and feathered the way they are for an athlete receiving "benefits" from a booster etc., when that same program is allowed to profit off of that kids athletic ability... It's not right...

The NCAA has never been of any help to an athletic program... the only reason they're even around is to hand out sanctions like Halloween candy and pluck scholarships.... the NCAA should be disband and college football should be run by the conference commissioners.

JCane
07-23-2010, 05:14 PM
There's no money left to pay the players though. When everyone is operating in the red and football has to carry your Athletic Department into a minor positive number, where is the money coming from? SEC football isn't Microsoft lol. You guys might make a lot of money and you might be loyal, but there isn't much left over. Facilities have to be built on campus and I promise you it isn't each department for themselves. If the campus needs renovations at the library, money will come from the Athletic Department, too. There's no money left over to pay players. They're getting MORE than enough. And I guarantee that if players start getting paid, scholarships will be taken away and players will have to pay their own way. Then what? Kids will end up spending MORE to play than they are getting paid. If they do get paid, it won't be much at all. It won't be millions. There's no way to pull this off.

TedSlimmJr
07-23-2010, 05:31 PM
You don't have to be microsoft... You seem to be assuming that I'm talking about paying the players NFL salaries...

I'm talking about paying the kids SOMETHING.... let them get a piece of the pie that they're baking in the first place. Many of these kids come from absolutely nothing and other than free room and board, textbooks paid for, meals, and their education for free.. they don't even have the money to take a ladyfriend out on a date...

If you're not going to pay them anything, then it stays corrupt.... because those are the one's that are most likely to accept the money from outside sources.... I'd rather them take a $1,000 from a booster than out selling $1,000 worth of drugs....

JCane
07-23-2010, 05:36 PM
See that's the problem. These kids ARE getting something. I was athletically gifted. Probably could have landed a baseball scholarship somewhere. But I blew my arm out as a Sophomore. So instead, I had to pay my way thru college. I ended up at USC. I'm almost 32 years-old and STILL paying off those loans. What these kids are GIVEN is extremely valuable and unless you take it away from them, no one will understand it. They are given an allowance each week of about $200. It's tax free. A free place to live. That saves them about $1000 a month on average when you factor in cable, Internet, water, electricity and rent. You figure $80,000 for a quality education. God forbid you're an out-of-state student.

Education has taken a backseat to athletics in this country—especially in the deep South.

JCane
07-23-2010, 05:41 PM
By the way, if you're an incoming Freshman on athletic scholarship and let's say you blow out your knee in training camp...you're DONE for your college career. You can still redshirt and the University still honors your scholarship. So you're getting five years of quality education for FREE. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me.

Not only that, but as a college athlete and a major DI University such as Alabama, you're going to get a shot at the NFL. Not a bad deal either. These kids are given A LOT more than we realize. But if it isn't STRAIGHT CASH HOMIE we just assume they're getting the short end of the stick.

TedSlimmJr
07-23-2010, 06:00 PM
The scholarship is only good for campus life JCANE... I coached scholarship athletes for years at football camps... You can't spend your entire college life on campus.


Education has taken a backseat to athletics.... but not "especially in the deep South"... just ask Reggie Bush and his parents. You're not stamping the south with that stereotype....

The deep south has always been about high school football and college football.. for 100 years it's been that way. Except now it's making more people richer than it ever has before off the backs of athletes that get a textbook and basic living necessities for free. Yet the NCAA wants to go all Rambo on institutions for not being in the dark alley at 2 o'clock in the morning to stop that kid from taking that cash from a booster.... or chiropractor...

COphinphan89
07-23-2010, 09:30 PM
See that's the problem. These kids ARE getting something. I was athletically gifted. Probably could have landed a baseball scholarship somewhere. But I blew my arm out as a Sophomore. So instead, I had to pay my way thru college. I ended up at USC. I'm almost 32 years-old and STILL paying off those loans. What these kids are GIVEN is extremely valuable and unless you take it away from them, no one will understand it. They are given an allowance each week of about $200. It's tax free. A free place to live. That saves them about $1000 a month on average when you factor in cable, Internet, water, electricity and rent. You figure $80,000 for a quality education. God forbid you're an out-of-state student.

Education has taken a backseat to athletics in this country—especially in the deep South.
That much is probably true, unfortunately. I think the only school left in the SEC that is truly academics first and athletics second is Vanderbilt.

JCane
07-23-2010, 10:28 PM
Stereotypes become stereotypes because there's some truth a validity to them. It's no secret that the South is the least educated region in the country. The SEC schools and a few of the ACC schools are willing to bend the rules a little more than everyone else in the country when it comes to admissions. Those dudes up North provide quality education. That's one reason why most of the money is up North. City of Miami has the stereotype that English is a second language. Why is that? A lot of people in South Florida speak pretty good Spanish. Stereotypes don't just happen.

A lot of this stuff is very regional. Football DOMINATES the South. The North doesn't really care all that much about it. The North dominates baseball; Yankees, Red Sox, Phillies, etc. Miami seems to be following in the footsteps of Notre Dame. Remember back in the 1980's when Notre Dame was beating the hell out of almost everyone. Coming into the 90's Notre Dame tightened up on their admission standards and stopped letting full blown retards get into the school just to play football. I see the same thing happening at Miami. There have been several kids who have had to go elsewhere because they can't cut it academically. And these same kids would have been admitted 15 years ago. In the South, if you can play, you're getting in no matter what. I don't care if your IQ is mustard—you'll get into Georgia. If the NCAA should crack down on anything it's that.