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bpackers13
07-22-2010, 09:52 AM
Where the NCAA's anti-agent crackdown stops, nobody knows (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Where-the-NCAA-s-anti-agent-crackdown-stops-nob;_ylt=AheuAmDQ1GzfkQ_n9o4KWHXynYl4?urn=ncaaf-257376)

By Matt Hinton (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday;_ylt=ArPf3UvSycuKEzr1egD5IdbynYl4?author=Matt+Hinton)

http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif There are plenty of fans content to snicker at Florida (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/NCAA-s-anti-agent-crusade-hits-Florida-for-alleg;_ylt=AvqtO2CBNDIetzH_fqxtqWzynYl4?urn=ncaaf,256855) and Alabama (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Alabama-s-Dareus-lates-target-in-NCAA-s-anti-age;_ylt=An876bLKU2UB30TL9bqxdrjynYl4?urn=ncaaf,257204) as they fall out of the NCAA's sweeping anti-agent dragnet (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AgHS0FMlIdn0H_qd4mcIxPzynYl4/SIG=12utrcb1l/**http%3A//sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/stewart_mandel/07/19/ncaa.agents/index.html), and dismiss both as unscrupulous cheaters (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=Agp2Zdhn2Zoe03BO3Tf9VobynYl4/SIG=13usgj96v/**http%3A//blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_bianchi/2010/07/forget-southern-cal-alabama-is-ncaas-most-consistent-cheater.html). In time, the suddenly aggressive-looking NCAA may agree. But Nick Saban doesn't see it that way, and frankly, he resents the characterization (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AhoM.IDtFjf4V1.YHSoEYrnynYl4/SIG=11qt0lki1/**http%3A//sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story%3Fid=5396236) – it's not like kids pocketing a few bucks from outsiders is his fault:
"What the NFL Players Association and the NFL need to do is if any agent breaks a rule and causes ineligibility for a player, they should suspend his [agent's] license for a year or two," Saban said. "I'm about ready for college football to say, 'Let's just throw the NFL out. Don't let them evaluate players. Don't let them talk to players. Let them do it at the combine.' If they are not going to help us, why should we help them?"
Saban said he also believes the NCAA should "take schools off the hook" for the actions of agents and players. In the end, however, he points at the former.
"Right now, agents are screwing it up," Saban said. "They are taking the eligibility of players. ..."
Saban knows of which he speaks: Before defensive end/BCS Championship Game MVP Marcell Dareus was implicated in the ongoing Agentpalooza on Tuesday, the Crimson Tide had to endure the agent-related suspension of All-America left tackle Andre Smith (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=Ajmfybsu6AOUC.OLy3vA.o7ynYl4/SIG=13cej6515/**http%3A//www.al.com/alabamafootball/mobileregister/index.ssf%3F/base/sports/1230632130162200.xml%26coll=3) before the 2009 Sugar Bowl. The same guy accused of giving Smith money was reportedly sniffing around the program again (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AlCz.41a0LC_0iYVxc_8V4zynYl4/SIG=11j4iscmq/**http%3A//twitter.com/schadjoe/status/19095590091) last year. And the four players from 'Bama, North Carolina (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/-Hectic-agent-activity-calls-NCAA-magnifying-gl;_ylt=Ajw4T3z81jLxMM2DKy3hSDzynYl4?urn=ncaaf,256425) and South Carolina (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/NCAA-s-sprawling-Carolina-probe-implicates-Gamec;_ylt=ArUd9I9b733c.h.JTMCT8LPynYl4?urn=ncaaf,256765) that have been specifically, publicly implicated to date in the NCAA's investigation into an agent-related trip to South Beach in late May are only the tip of the iceberg (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AvL2DcUzwZEUbonAwsvaQdTynYl4/SIG=12g01t795/**http%3A//www.bylawblog.com/2010/07/one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-other/) on that trip. A half-dozen more could be right behind them, potentially implicating dozens of players from almost every school in the SEC and beyond.
When you start pulling on those kinds of threads, there's no telling where it's going to stop. MSNBC marketing guru Darren Rovell estimates that, in any given year, at least 50 high-profile college stars are taking money from agents (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=Ak81kDbgeEGSexhOjO2vYYXynYl4/SIG=123qmpsoi/**http%3A//www.cnbc.com/id/38328371%3F__source=RSS*blog*%26par=RSS), who consider payouts part of the cost of doing business: "Everyone already knows that in order to consistently land top players, you have to give money or guarantee money to a college player in order to sign him." When a player like former Florida All-American Maurkice Pouncey is accused of taking huge sums (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AnbuRFY_thnwBj2eQL9YL5rynYl4/SIG=13ob6gcf9/**http%3A//sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story%3Fid=5392159%26campaign=rss%26source=twitter%26ex_cid=Twitter_espn_5392159) for verboten cash before his last game (a charge he's calling "absolutely ridiculous," (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=Allk7DBELxZxdnpxrHBEl8vynYl4/SIG=13l5j3sq9/**http%3A//www.gatorsports.com/article/20100721/ARTICLES/100729921/1136%3FTitle=Pouncey-denies-he-took-money%26tc=ar) for the record), the incriminating dots go everywhere: In this case alone, Pouncey's agent is Joel Segal, who once roster of NFL stars (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AqbrxL89UNOZIymCR.ZtX4jynYl4/SIG=123471dbe/**http%3A//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Segal_%2528sports_agent%2529) includes former Pouncey teammate Percy Harvin and Harvin's one-time recruiting host (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AuPTiJJHuUZ6n9Iuk2zHoQLynYl4/SIG=12ihk4tqq/**http%3A//sportsbybrooks.com/sources-percy-harvin-part-of-ncaas-usc-report-28592) at USC, Reggie Bush.
http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif Now, imagine half a dozen guys with that resumé (and two dozen more hoping to build it) looking for ways into your locker room. Bush's lucrative arrangement with New Era Sports was caught because one of his alleged money men went public (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AnLx3sdi43lWbFGKxnYCXcXynYl4/SIG=12lt7sr94/**http%3A//www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2008-01-17-reggiebush-book_N.htm). But Lloyd Lake was an amateur. As the Bylaw Blog points out, most of them are much better at this (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=As6WwiMKWaJua0xEUCMCu9vynYl4/SIG=12b757cq3/**http%3A//www.bylawblog.com/2010/07/solving-the-unsolvable-agent-problem/):

• Agents are as good or better than college coaches or pro scouts at identifying prospects. In some cases they are two years ahead of everyone else.
• Agents are almost never on campus. Most on-campus contact is made by teams of runners who look young enough to blend in on campus.
• Athletes ask runners and agents for gifts and favors far more often than runners and agents offer impermissible benefits.
• While athlete agents are regulated in almost every state, folks like financial advisors and marketing reps are not. So it’s hard to know who to even look out for.
• Almost everyone out to get a piece of a player, including business and marketing managers and personal trainers is connected to an agent.
Echoing Saban, SEC commissioner Mike Slive said today "it's time to reexamine the NCAA rules relating to agents," (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AivpQWeEkwH9OIpa33FVOkHynYl4/SIG=11p55adha/**http%3A//twitter.com/ClayTravisBGID/status/19094293788) not-so-subtly classifying the rules themselves as "part of the problem rather than the solution." Darren Rovell's suggestion for warding off middle men is of a piece with Saban's: Rather than build a fence to keep the pros out, he suggests the NCAA form workable partnerships with the NFL and NBA (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AtqWiF9.HAOy_PMlLoQNh4vynYl4/SIG=123qmpsoi/**http%3A//www.cnbc.com/id/38328371%3F__source=RSS*blog*%26par=RSS) to regulate and punish offending agents through the pro players' associations.
That is, if the NCAA is serious about trying to root out the problem, rather than reactively whacking the few moles that happen to poke their heads above ground. The heavy-handed reaction to the Bush scandal and the breadth of the inquiries reported over the last week are tentative indications that it is. But if the problem is that deeply ingrained as everyone suggests, and that adept at evolving to (mostly futile) efforts at reform, it's going to take a few deliberate, concerted shocks to the system before it starts to recede.

Damn I hate Saban. Maybe the NFL needs to quit scouting and drafting YOUR players. Lets see how many recruits you get then, huh scum bag? The NFL is the reason the NCAA is so huge now. Plain and simple.

Nublar7
07-22-2010, 09:56 AM
How about installing a rule that prevents college teams from raiding NFL teams for coaches? Especially during the season.

Also, Saban called the agents "Pimps" where is the Mike Silver article bashing Saban over this? After all, Ireland is a supposed to be a horrible man for using the word "prostitute".

PhinsPhan11
07-22-2010, 10:07 AM
I agree with you Nublar, there should be a rule for that.

TedSlimmJr
07-22-2010, 10:13 AM
What Saban is referring to is the "runners" that execute this shady, slimeball paying of amateur athletes.... that get off scott free with no punishment... they're names are never even made public for ridicule...

Instead, it's the programs and innocent student athletes left behind that are always punished... that had nothing to do with it.

The same "pimp" that got Andre Smith suspended before the Sugar Bowl 2 years ago, was snooping around the program again prior to the 2010 draft attempting to pay players to lure them to a certain agency for representation on their professional contracts.... this is ILLEGAL...

Saban and the University could have prosecuted him.... problem with that is, it also brings sanctions down on your program... so what do you do?




You stop letting scouts come to your campus and evaluate players all together.... and if enough legitimate programs do it, it'll FINALLY be enought for the NFL to get involved and try to do something to curtail this ILLEGAL behavior by these agents.... College football and programs are sick and tired of paying the price and being put on probation and handed down sanctions by the NCAA for things that are impossible to control... it's time for the crooks actually committing the crimes to get punished....

It's the entire system that is flawed here....


Once there is a rookie wage salary cap in place, and these unproven college draft prospects aren't getting paid $30-50 million before they ever take an NFL snap, then the incentive for these agents to come snooping around college campuses to prey on amateur athletes goes away....

That's the only way to solve the problem...

JCane
07-22-2010, 10:16 AM
Ted, I'm glad you're here this morning because I just didn't have it in me to explain this **** to them.

Nick Saban is 100% correct but the majority of this board will not accept it because he spurned us.

TedSlimmJr
07-22-2010, 10:17 AM
How about installing a rule that prevents college teams from raiding NFL teams for coaches? Especially during the season.

Also, Saban called the agents "Pimps" where is the Mike Silver article bashing Saban over this? After all, Ireland is a supposed to be a horrible man for using the word "prostitute".


Big difference between referring to a college kids mother during a job interview, and referring to crooks that get away scott free for ILLEGAL contact of an amateur athlete that gets sanctions brought down on programs that had nothing to do with it....

You can't install a rule that prevents Americans from pursuing other job opportunities... Besides, the Miami Dolphins are the ones that came snooping around LSU in order to "steal" their coach.... your windows in your glass house here aren't strong enough to throw stones Nublar...

phinpunk14
07-22-2010, 10:17 AM
This absolutely needs to be done for basketball. With the new one and done rule in the NBA, more and more college big time college players are taking benefits before going pro. Something has to be done to protect the universities that don't even know players are receiving these benefits 95% of the time.

Namor
07-22-2010, 10:18 AM
Other than most people's "jilted girlfriend syndrome" about Saban on these boards,
just what the freak does this have to do with the Dolphins?

bpackers13
07-22-2010, 10:20 AM
Ted, I'm glad you're here this morning because I just didn't have it in me to explain this **** to them.

Nick Saban is 100% correct but the majority of this board will not accept it because he spurned us.

He is NOT 100% correct! I agree with what he is saying for the most part..... but like another poster said....... Where is the article spurning Saban for using the word "pimp". Ireland got his for using the word prostitute.

bpackers13
07-22-2010, 10:21 AM
Other than most people's "jilted girlfriend syndrome" about Saban on these boards,
just what the freak does this have to do with the Dolphins?

As mad as it makes me..... Saban is an ex- Dolphin.

Namor
07-22-2010, 10:27 AM
He is NOT 100% correct! I agree with what he is saying for the most part..... but like another poster said....... Where is the article spurning Saban for using the word "pimp". Ireland got his for using the word prostitute.

100% correct..end of story..the other is
apples and oranges,..anything else is trying to attach something to Nick..which then we go back to
"jilted girlfriend syndrome"

ckparrothead
07-22-2010, 10:29 AM
Innocent programs, innocent student athletes, what a crock of sh-t.

The coaches like Nick Saban that get paid $5 million a year to coach a bunch of indentured servants are at least as much pimps as the agents. They're both making money off the backs of the players, but at least the agents are doing so by actually trying to give the players some of the money that they earned but were withheld by a system that is set up for voluntary slavery. God damn those agents, confusing these innocent players with tastes of freedom. What would they do outside of the plantatio-err, college?

Give me a break. College football is a multi-billion dollar industry and all the money goes to the schools run by white athletic directors and white college football coaches (way higher percentage than the NFL, and way less inclination by the powers at be to do anything about it). Literally NONE of the money goes to the players who break their bodies and suffer heart and brain damage in order to provide the revenue source for the schools. What do they get paid instead? Scholarships for an "education" that in most cases is WAY overpriced by a bloated and inefficient University system. And even the bloated and exorbitent price tags of those scholarships, if added together as a cost of doing business, would amount to what percentage of revenues derived from college football? Maybe like 2%, something like that? Yeah, THAT'S awesomely fair.

And you know what, that's fine. I'm not proposing we abolish college football or ban anything. I just don't want to hear disengenuous diseased peckers like Nick Saban whine about agents trying to use players to get paid, after Saban himself just gets home from depositing his $5 million check in the bank. Screw that, and screw him.

bpackers13
07-22-2010, 10:30 AM
100% correct..end of story..the other is
apples and oranges,..anything else is trying to attach something to Nick..which then we go back to
"jilted girlfriend syndrome"

Thats YOUR opnion.

Namor
07-22-2010, 10:34 AM
Thats YOUR opnion.

WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE MIAMI DOLPHINS?
It can be on the college boards.

TedSlimmJr
07-22-2010, 10:38 AM
Innocent programs, innocent student athletes, what a crock of sh-t.

The coaches like Nick Saban that get paid $5 million a year to coach a bunch of indentured servants are at least as much pimps as the agents. They're both making money off the backs of the players, but at least the agents are doing so by actually trying to give the players some of the money that they earned but were withheld by a system that is set up for voluntary slavery. God damn those agents, confusing these innocent players with tastes of freedom. What would they do outside of the plantatio-err, college?

Give me a break. College football is a multi-billion dollar industry and all the money goes to the schools run by white athletic directors and white college football coaches (way higher percentage than the NFL, and way less inclination by the powers at be to do anything about it). Literally NONE of the money goes to the players who break their bodies and suffer heart and brain damage in order to provide the revenue source for the schools. What do they get paid instead? Scholarships for an "education" that in most cases is WAY overpriced by a bloated and inefficient University system. And even the bloated and exorbitent price tags of those scholarships, if added together as a cost of doing business, would amount to what percentage of revenues derived from college football? Maybe like 2%, something like that? Yeah, THAT'S awesomely fair.

And you know what, that's fine. I'm not proposing we abolish college football or ban anything. I just don't want to hear disengenuous diseased peckers like Nick Saban whine about agents trying to use players to get paid, after Saban himself just gets home from depositing his $5 million check in the bank. Screw that, and screw him.


College football players DO deserve to get paid.... the problem is the NCAA doesn't think so... because it's unfair to the students who are attending the school on academic scholarships as opposed to athletic scholarships...

Universities are making money off these kids.... they're on video games... their jerseys are being sold...etc.. yet all the kids get out of it is a free education? Are you serious?

Accepting benefits from an agent isn't a violation.... the problem is that it makes you a professional once you accept them... making you ineligible to play in a game...

THAT'S where the violation is...


You're wrong CK... there's a reason why almost 40 states have laws on the books against this very agent/amateur athlete contact.... but until programs are able to punish this activity and prosecute these guys without bringing undeserved sanctions upon themselves, something has to change...

It's a black and white issue for sure... but certainly has nothing to do with race as you suggest... It has to do with right and wrong.

JCane
07-22-2010, 10:41 AM
He is NOT 100% correct! I agree with what he is saying for the most part..... but like another poster said....... Where is the article spurning Saban for using the word "pimp". Ireland got his for using the word prostitute.

Who cares about some article that wasn't written. I'd like to hang out with that goober and listen to some of the things he says in everyday life. And I know for a fact I'd say some offensive **** around him that he can write in the papers for me to laugh about later.

JCane
07-22-2010, 10:41 AM
College football players DO deserve to get paid.

You and I will NOT see eye to eye here lol.

Namor
07-22-2010, 10:43 AM
Said agent talks a player (the one from NC) into calling his friends..Hey come to this party,
never saying that a agent is involved.These other players get there,now they are in trouble.
And you guys have a problem with Nick?
Tell me thats not "jilted girlfriend syndrome"

TedSlimmJr
07-22-2010, 10:45 AM
You and I will NOT see eye to eye here lol.



:lol: We'll have to have this discussion later... bigger fish to fry here..

Namor
07-22-2010, 10:49 AM
A week or two ago when Nick said he was sorry for the way he handled leaving Miami,
you guys cried"he is trying to get back into the NFL,now you get mad that he is calling
out the NFL and agents.....Make up your mind.

bpackers13
07-22-2010, 10:53 AM
A week or two ago when Nick said he was sorry for the way he handled leaving Miami,
you guys cried"he is trying to get back into the NFL,now you get mad that he is calling
out the NFL and agents.....Make up your mind.

Let me guess, your an Alabama fan.

hooshoops
07-22-2010, 10:58 AM
how bout nick just shuts up...he's the last person that should be calling out the nfl imo...

TedSlimmJr
07-22-2010, 10:58 AM
Let me guess, your an Alabama fan.


He could be.... but it's not nearly as obvious as spotting a brain washed Dolphin fan when the word Saban is mentioned...


Everybody knows Saban is right on here... all the college coaches, conference commissioners, legitimate sports agents that operate by a code of ethics, state law makers, the NFL commissioner and the NFLPA.....


They all know he's right and something needs to be done...

Namor
07-22-2010, 10:59 AM
Let me guess, your an Alabama fan.

Alumni...
There has been a thread on this in the college forum for a few days.
Thats where this belongs.
It has nothing to do with the Dolphins.
Mine and Ted Slimm's views on this has been noted on these boards for years.

Namor
07-22-2010, 11:00 AM
how bout nick just shuts up...he's the last person that should be calling out the nfl imo...

Other than being a Dolphin fan...
please explain this with some facts.

hooshoops
07-22-2010, 11:07 AM
you don't think there's shadiness going on with players etc right under sabans nose at bama or under meyers nose at florida...clean programs my ***...

i watched the pete carroll interview on real sports where he should have gotten an academy award for the acting he did...it was impressive and rediculous..."i had no clue" what a fraud

this stuff is going on everywhere...whether it be agent contacts or players getting paid by boosters under the table or players driving around in rigs that everyone knows they can't afford...

rampant...and its been going on for quite a long time...and it's not gonna stop...and nick saban isn't the savior...he's a part of the problem just like everybody else...i guarantee it

so nick just shut up...

Phinfan99
07-22-2010, 11:08 AM
It must be close to football season again cause Nick Saban has opened his big mouth and alot of hot air is coming out, again. Word to the wise Nick....SHUT THE HELL UP! No one care's what you think anyway so just keep your mouth shut for a change.

JCane
07-22-2010, 11:13 AM
you don't think there's shadiness going on with players etc right under sabans nose at bama or under meyers nose at florida...clean programs my ***...

i watched the pete carroll interview on real sports where he should have gotten an academy award for the acting he did...it was impressive and rediculous..."i had no clue" what a fraud

this stuff is going on everywhere...whether it be agent contacts or players getting paid by boosters under the table or players driving around in rigs that everyone knows they can't afford...

rampant...and its been going on for quite a long time...and it's not gonna stop...and nick saban isn't the savior...he's a part of the problem just like everybody else...i guarantee it

so nick just shut up...

I'm willing to bet that it's not going on at the University of Miami.

Namor
07-22-2010, 11:13 AM
you don't think there's shadiness going on with players etc right under sabans nose at bama or under meyers nose at florida...clean programs my ***...

i watched the pete carroll interview on real sports where he should have gotten an academy award for the acting he did...it was impressive and rediculous..."i had no clue" what a fraud

this stuff is going on everywhere...whether it be agent contacts or players getting paid by boosters under the table or players driving around in rigs that everyone knows they can't afford...

rampant...and its been going on for quite a long time...and it's not gonna stop...and nick saban isn't the savior...he's a part of the problem just like everybody else...i guarantee it

so nick just shut up...

USC allowed agents and such at their
pratices for years,most programs don't
do that.
So tell again why Nick shouldn't have a opinion on something that affects his
program.

Namor
07-22-2010, 11:15 AM
It must be close to football season again cause Nick Saban has opened his big mouth and alot of hot air is coming out, again. Word to the wise Nick....SHUT THE HELL UP! No one care's what you think anyway so just keep your mouth shut for a change.

It has alot of you guys ranting and raving for no reason at all...so you would
be wrong..It seems alot of people do care.

TedSlimmJr
07-22-2010, 11:17 AM
you don't think there's shadiness going on with players etc right under sabans nose at bama or under meyers nose at florida...clean programs my ***...

i watched the pete carroll interview on real sports where he should have gotten an academy award for the acting he did...it was impressive and rediculous..."i had no clue" what a fraud

this stuff is going on everywhere...whether it be agent contacts or players getting paid by boosters under the table or players driving around in rigs that everyone knows they can't afford...

rampant...and its been going on for quite a long time...and it's not gonna stop...and nick saban isn't the savior...he's a part of the problem just like everybody else...i guarantee it

so nick just shut up...


You're still not addressing the point.... the point is it never comes out about these kids receiving all of these benefits from boosters while playing for a program until they're already gone... moved on to the NFL and sitting there fat, rich and happy...

Then the NCAA decides to hand down punishment on the school and 85 other players that had nothing to do with it.... there are kids playing high school football right now that haven't even committed to USC yet that will have to bear the brunt of what Reggie Bush is guilty of....


A booster giving a kid money or fancy cars in order to get him to come play for a school is cheating... it gives the school a competitive advantage..

However, the school doesn't benefit in any way whatsoever when a kid decides on his OWN INDIVIDUAL CONSCIENCE to accept money or benefits from a SPORTS AGENT.... who has NOTHING to do with the University itself...

This is apples and oranges.... It's time for the NFL to get off their *** and do something to help college football prevent this type of agent/athlete contact, or college football campuses all across the country are going to shut their doors in the face of NFL scouts when they come to evaluate players...

Then all the "NFL fanatics" can ***** and moan to each other about how their front offices keep botching draft picks...

JCane
07-22-2010, 11:18 AM
It has alot of you guys ranting and raving for no reason at all...so you would
be wrong..It seems alot of people do care.

Yeah no one cares...that's why this thread will be 10 pages by the afternoon and several posts will be deleted because someone will get bent out of shape because they hate it when Saban is right.

ckparrothead
07-22-2010, 11:19 AM
College football players DO deserve to get paid.... the problem is the NCAA doesn't think so... because it's unfair to the students who are attending the school on academic scholarships as opposed to athletic scholarships...

Universities are making money off these kids.... they're on video games... their jerseys are being sold...etc.. yet all the kids get out of it is a free education? Are you serious?

Accepting benefits from an agent isn't a violation.... the problem is that it makes you a professional once you accept them... making you ineligible to play in a game...

THAT'S where the violation is...


You're wrong CK... there's a reason why almost 40 states have laws on the books against this very agent/amateur athlete contact.... but until programs are able to punish this activity and prosecute these guys without bringing undeserved sanctions upon themselves, something has to change...

It's a black and white issue for sure... but certainly has nothing to do with race as you suggest... It has to do with right and wrong.

We agree on some things, not on others, obviously. I'm not saying that what the agents do is awesome. I'm saying that from a moral and ethical standpoint, guys like Nick Saban have zero high ground to talk about it because they are BOTH trying to make money off the backs of the unpaid players.

And the reason I would personally assume that there are laws on the books in many states against the practice you're talking about, is simply because the voters and legislatures of those states love their college football and want to protect the system, unfair as that system may be. Hell, I wouldn't put it beyond the Alabama legislature to try and pass some law specifically designed to protect Marcel Dareus' status as an amateur athlete, because them boys love their Alabama football. These agents are a threat to the system. It's really a morally neutral issue, and it has a heck of a lot more to do with the practice presenting a structural threat to a system that the public loves for their own selfish reasons.

As for whether there is race involved in this, a couple of things. One, the majority of student football players are black whereas if you look at the percentages of Athletic Directors and coaches, it's overwhelmingly white. And this is and has been even more egregious than the NFL. Some very respectable people have decried it, but unlike the NFL the NCAA seems to not care or have any inclination to do anything about it. Secondly, even with that imbalance, my slavery parallel was not meant to emphasize black versus white. Indentured servants were white. Today's version of indentured servitude and the modern slave trade is not black, mostly hispanic if I'm not mistaken. The metaphor was just meant to emphasize a system that is set up unfairly to produce a hell of a lot of money on the backs of people who don't get jack squat. And given the inequity here, I do find the black-white disconnect between players and coaches to be conspicuous, though obviously not conclusive in any way.

hooshoops
07-22-2010, 11:19 AM
until nicks program is clean which it will never completely be if he wants to keep landing these top notch recruits who's families are looking for handouts etc i don't think he should be calling out the nfl about anything...

and cane if you don't think there's still some shadiness going on at um despite the new philosophy and coaching change etc you sir are naive...

i don't trust any of them...even mike whatchamacallit at duke in hoops...none of them...period

i just accept thats what college sports have become and roll with it...check that revenue sports like football and basketball that carry the ratings and the publics eye...

hooshoops
07-22-2010, 11:21 AM
You're still not addressing the point.... the point is it never comes out about these kids receiving all of these benefits from boosters while playing for a program until they're already gone... moved on to the NFL and sitting there fat, rich and happy...

Then the NCAA decides to hand down punishment on the school and 85 other players that had nothing to do with it.... there are kids playing high school football right now that haven't even committed to USC yet that will have to bear the brunt of what Reggie Bush is guilty of....


A booster giving a kid money or fancy cars in order to get him to come play for a school is cheating... it gives the school a competitive advantage..

However, the school doesn't benefit in any way whatsoever when a kid decides on his OWN INDIVIDUAL CONSCIENCE to accept money or benefits from a SPORTS AGENT.... who has NOTHING to do with the University itself...

This is apples and oranges.... It's time for the NFL to get off their *** and do something to help college football prevent this type of agent/athlete contact, or college football campuses all across the country are going to shut their doors in the face of NFL scouts when they come to evaluate players...

Then all the "NFL fanatics" can ***** and moan to each other about how their front offices keep botching draft picks...


my point is people that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...

TedSlimmJr
07-22-2010, 11:24 AM
until nicks program is clean which it will never completely be if he wants to keep landing these top notch recruits who's families are looking for handouts etc i don't think he should be calling out the nfl about anything...

and cane if you don't think there's still some shadiness going on at um despite the new philosophy and coaching change etc you sir are naive...

i don't trust any of them...even mike whatchamacallit at duke in hoops...none of them...period

i just accept thats what college sports have become and roll with it...check that revenue sports like football and basketball that carry the ratings and the publics eye...


You're talking out of your *** here hoops and you know it... you're throwing out accusations all over the place without anything to back it up..

Nick Saban has ran a clean program everywhere he's been.... the only reason Alabama is always in the news lately about this kind of stuff is because he keeps sniffing it out and addressing it before it can be a detriment to the program...

Unlike past regimes at Alabama... and Universities all over the country where ALL WAS QUIET.... until the hammer dropped..

ckparrothead
07-22-2010, 11:24 AM
That's exactly my beef. If people want to cry about losing a player because of these sports agents, not being able to cheer for a team that is as strong as it should be, fine whatever. But Nick Saban and really any college head coach or Athletic Director, really have no moral grounds to be publicly bashing the agents. No moral grounds whatsoever.

TedSlimmJr
07-22-2010, 11:28 AM
We agree on some things, not on others, obviously. I'm not saying that what the agents do is awesome. I'm saying that from a moral and ethical standpoint, guys like Nick Saban have zero high ground to talk about it because they are BOTH trying to make money off the backs of the unpaid players.

And the reason I would personally assume that there are laws on the books in many states against the practice you're talking about, is simply because the voters and legislatures of those states love their college football and want to protect the system, unfair as that system may be. Hell, I wouldn't put it beyond the Alabama legislature to try and pass some law specifically designed to protect Marcel Dareus' status as an amateur athlete, because them boys love their Alabama football. These agents are a threat to the system. It's really a morally neutral issue, and it has a heck of a lot more to do with the practice presenting a structural threat to a system that the public loves for their own selfish reasons.

As for whether there is race involved in this, a couple of things. One, the majority of student football players are black whereas if you look at the percentages of Athletic Directors and coaches, it's overwhelmingly white. And this is and has been even more egregious than the NFL. Some very respectable people have decried it, but unlike the NFL the NCAA seems to not care or have any inclination to do anything about it. Secondly, even with that imbalance, my slavery parallel was not meant to emphasize black versus white. Indentured servants were white. Today's version of indentured servitude and the modern slave trade is not black, mostly hispanic if I'm not mistaken. The metaphor was just meant to emphasize a system that is set up unfairly to produce a hell of a lot of money on the backs of people who don't get jack squat. And given the inequity here, I do find the black-white disconnect between players and coaches to be conspicuous, though obviously not conclusive in any way.


Ok, well we do agree on some things here then... Of course these politicals love their college football.. and always will. It's been around a lot longer than the NFL has... many of these politicians have personal ties to their Universities and are alumni... not some second rate, jersey wearing, pampered millionaire admirer....


The system is flawed... these unethical agents aren't a threat to the system... the system is a threat to college athletics.

ckparrothead
07-22-2010, 11:34 AM
Fair enough.

Nick Saban sucks.

Just thought I'd add that in.

Bumpus
07-22-2010, 11:35 AM
I'm willing to bet that it's not going on at the University of Miami.

:lol: Hell bro, it's happening everywhere. I had a buddy back in the day @ West Liberty (Division 2) that used to get his "envelopes" after every game.


... To say, "Not at my school" is the equivalent of an ostrich with it's head in the sand.

hooshoops
07-22-2010, 11:36 AM
You're talking out of your *** here hoops and you know it... you're throwing out accusations all over the place without anything to back it up..

Nick Saban has ran a clean program everywhere he's been.... the only reason Alabama is always in the news lately about this kind of stuff is because he keeps sniffing it out and addressing it before it can be a detriment to the program...

Unlike past regimes at Alabama... and Universities all over the country where ALL WAS QUIET.... until the hammer dropped..

i don't believe that nick saban has run a clean program everywhere...you may but i don't...do i have proof??? no i don't...but i know that i've been around some high level college who became pro athletes growing up and i saw some shady stuff...real shady stuff...and from coaches who paint a very "who me...never" picture...that's all i'll say

if nick comes back to the nfl for $35 mil over 5 years anytime soon i'll know to look for THE HAMMER TO DROP

JCane
07-22-2010, 11:36 AM
:lol: Hell bro, it's happening everywhere. I had a buddy back in the day @ West Liberty (Division 2) that used to get his "envelopes" after every game.


... To say, "Not at my school" is the equivalent of an ostrich with it's head in the sand.

Nah, it's not happening at UM. If it were we'd be winning something. If you can't win the scrub *** ACC with our talent, you aren't cheating. And if you aren't cheating, you aren't trying.

Bumpus
07-22-2010, 11:37 AM
Oh yeah, I agree - wrong forum.

hooshoops
07-22-2010, 11:37 AM
Fair enough.

Nick Saban sucks.

Just thought I'd add that in.

i second that...

tcdrover
07-22-2010, 11:44 AM
That article was a crock. Saban is right, but this is nothing new. There should be an FCAT for sportswriters because all of the S FL writers are truly pathetic, and horrifically unprofessional.

The problem isn't just the agents though. Those players are more to blame than some will lead you to believe.

Reggie Bush took the money and then decided to stiff the guys who handed it to him. This does not appear like the actions of a victim to me. The entire NCAA is corrupt as can be. They are making billions and very conveniently looking the other way when those players can't read and write. How many college level courses does anyone believe Jamarcus Russell passed?

Or Dez Bryant?

If those colleges were actually forced to comply with the education laws that are already in place, then these kids would be better equiped to make these types of decisions.

TedSlimmJr
07-22-2010, 11:44 AM
BTW CK, do have any idea how many "minority" AD's there were in college football as of a month ago?

Compares to how many "minority" AD's have recently been fired in the past month for running un-legit programs hand-in-hand with shady agents (Mike Garrett at USC) and the Georgia AD Damon Evans busted for DUI and cheating on his wife all in one traffic stop...

Believe me when I say that the conference commissioners and University Presidents have taken notice....

ckparrothead
07-22-2010, 11:49 AM
Well if that ain't data mining, I don't know what is.

TedSlimmJr
07-22-2010, 11:53 AM
That article was a crock. Saban is right, but this is nothing new. There should be an FCAT for sportswriters because all of the S FL writers are truly pathetic, and horrifically unprofessional.

The problem isn't just the agents though. Those players are more to blame than some will lead you to believe.

Reggie Bush took the money and then decided to stiff the guys who handed it to him. This does not appear like the actions of a victim to me. The entire NCAA is corrupt as can be. They are making billions and very conveniently looking the other way when those players can't read and write. How many college level courses does anyone believe Jamarcus Russell passed?

Or Dez Bryant?

If those colleges were actually forced to comply with the education laws that are already in place, then these kids would be better equiped to make these types of decisions.


Absolutely... when talking about the "innocent kids", I'm obviously referring to the one's that aren't receiving these benefits from shady agents that are left behind to pay the price for the one's that did....adn the players that do choose to participate in this activity with agents should be held accountable... including Marcel Dareus... but Dareus isn't guilty of anything other than attending a party on South Beach...

The NCAA is nothing but a bunch of bleeding heart pencil necks that look to tar and feather every program they can for "violations" when they won't do anything to try to help the situation or prevent it from happening... Lord forbid the NCAA actually be of any help to an institution for ****'s sake....

Players negotiated their own contracts in the NFL for 50 years without agents crawling all over the place.... but college football has become such big business that it's become necessary.... However, the NFL and the owners are to to blame for letting bums like Jamarcus Russell rob them of tens of millions of dollars right off the bat without playing a down in the first place....

The individual states themselves are responsible for the lack of compliance from Universities reguarding the education laws... Did I mention college football is big business?

NY8123
07-22-2010, 11:55 AM
**** Saban.

Chicken **** mother ****er is what he is. He can play a game of hide and go fist **** himself. Douche Bag!

Look in the mirror how many basket weaving classes have your players taken through the years in pursuit of your national championship.

JCane
07-22-2010, 11:57 AM
**** Saban.

Chicken **** mother ****er is what he is. He can play a game of hide and go fist **** himself. Douche Bag!

Look in the mirror how many basket weaving classes have your players taken through the years in pursuit of your national championship.

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2010/07/IMG_0070JPG-1.jpg

ckparrothead
07-22-2010, 12:02 PM
Absolutely... when talking about the "innocent kids", I'm obviously referring to the one's that aren't receiving these benefits from shady agents that are left behind to pay the price for the one's that did....adn the players that do choose to participate in this activity with agents should be held accountable... including Marcel Dareus... but Dareus isn't guilty of anything other than attending a party on South Beach...

The NCAA is nothing but a bunch of bleeding heart pencil necks that look to tar and feather every program they can for "violations" when they won't do anything to try to help the situation or prevent it from happening... Lord forbid the NCAA actually be of any help to an institution for ****'s sake....

Players negotiated their own contracts in the NFL for 50 years without agents crawling all over the place.... but college football has become such big business that it's become necessary.... However, the NFL and the owners are to to blame for letting bums like Jamarcus Russell rob them of tens of millions of dollars right off the bat without playing a down in the first place....

The individual states themselves are responsible for the lack of compliance from Universities reguarding the education laws... Did I mention college football is big business?

Oh don't get me started on that. The NFL and owners ARE to blame, but not for the reason you imply, IMO.

Everyone talks about the injustice of what 5 or 10 players in the NFL draft make. Nobody talks about the injustice of what 200 other players taken in the NFL draft make. Any of those players that become starters are set up to be grossly underpaid for 2, maybe even 3 of the 4 years on their contract. And when they try and get more money, the teams just look at them (like they have with Lamarr Woodley, Chris Johnson and Darrelle Revis), and say "Tough."

When you structure an inherently corrupted system that intends to pervert the natural order of just paying players the appropriate amount for what they bring to the table, then you're going to get feedback and perversions that run the other way. In this case, the ridiculous amount paid to the players in the top 5 or 10 of the draft is just that...the backwash of a corrupt system intended to systematically underpay players.

TedSlimmJr
07-22-2010, 12:11 PM
Oh don't get me started on that. The NFL and owners ARE to blame, but not for the reason you imply, IMO.

Everyone talks about the injustice of what 5 or 10 players in the NFL draft make. Nobody talks about the injustice of what 200 other players taken in the NFL draft make. Any of those players that become starters are set up to be grossly underpaid for 2, maybe even 3 of the 4 years on their contract. And when they try and get more money, the teams just look at them (like they have with Lamarr Woodley, Chris Johnson and Darrelle Revis), and say "Tough."

When you structure an inherently corrupted system that intends to pervert the natural order of just paying players the appropriate amount for what they bring to the table, then you're going to get feedback and perversions that run the other way. In this case, the ridiculous amount paid to the players in the top 5 or 10 of the draft is just that...the backwash of a corrupt system intended to systematically underpay players.


They only way the other 200 players can be considered "underpaid" is in comparison to the ridiculous amount of money the top players in the league are making anyway.... it's relative. There's not a player in the NFL that is living from paycheck to paycheck CK.... they're all getting paid just fine to run around kick, block, tackle, and catch a football... but it is what is... but there is no "injustice"...

Players that did the same thing these guys are doing 30 years ago for $50,000 a year laugh in people's face that come with that angle...

The real problem IMO is the $20-30-40 million dollars given out to these unproven players.... it's a joke... There's not a human being in sports worth that... it's just sports.. a game that kids play for free...

They need to put a cap on this rookie situation no matter what..

ckparrothead
07-22-2010, 12:15 PM
They only way the other 200 players can be considered "underpaid" is in comparison to the ridiculous amount of money the top players in the league are making anyway.... it's relative. There's not a player in the NFL that is living from paycheck to paycheck CK.... they're all getting paid just fine to run around kick, block, tackle, and catch a football... but it is what is... but there is no "injustice"...

Players that did the same thing these guys are doing 30 years ago for $50,000 a year laugh in people's face that come with that angle...

The real problem IMO is the $20-30-40 million dollars given out to these unproven players.... it's a joke... There's not a human being in sports worth that... it's just sports.. a game that kids play for free...

They need to put a cap on this rookie situation no matter what..

That's an incredibly one-dimensional way of looking at things. The amount of money the players are getting today is in proportion to the amount of money the NFL as a whole is making today. The labor deserves its fair share of that money. The NFL makes as much money as college football except unlike the colleges which generally put the money back into a public good, secondary and post-secondary education, the NFL has owners which just collect the money and get richer. You'd rather THEY get the money, for being fat and happy and not doing any work?

tcdrover
07-22-2010, 12:17 PM
Yeah, I don't know about that.

"...the backwash of a corrupt system intended to systematically underpay players."

Just the Practice sqaud players get paid more than most posters on this forum do.

ckparrothead
07-22-2010, 12:21 PM
Again, a VERY one dimensional view of things. There's a big pie, a very big pie, and the decision is what PORTION of it is going to go to whom. The NFL is the players. They are who make the NFL. Even those practice squad players. But when people whine about how much money NFL players are making relative to how much they personally make, and trust me it comes off as nothing more than whinning, they are in effect saying...let's give the owners all that money. For doing practically nothing. Because I'd rather one guy get WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY more money than me, than have thousands of guys be a little richer than me. Because I'm that selfish.

JCane
07-22-2010, 12:25 PM
I wanna go out on a limb and say that these Saban haters are the same people I seen buring Ricky Williams jerseys a few years back.

TedSlimmJr
07-22-2010, 12:28 PM
That's an incredibly one-dimensional way of looking at things. The amount of money the players are getting today is in proportion to the amount of money the NFL as a whole is making today. The labor deserves its fair share of that money. The NFL makes as much money as college football except unlike the colleges which generally put the money back into a public good, secondary and post-secondary education, the NFL has owners which just collect the money and get richer. You'd rather THEY get the money, for being fat and happy and not doing any work?


No it's ridiculous what the 53rd rated salary on ANY NFL roster is making.... I understand that it's in proportion to what the league is worth now compared to 30 years ago... But this a real life point of view... you're caught up in the dramatics of it all because it's a sport..

The "injustice" is in what people out here risking their lives everyday are getting paid compared to what some 3rd string special teamer in the NFL is making.... compile that with most of these overpaid players also got a college education for free...(or at least the opportunity to get one)... where the "average Joe" getting paid much, much less to do a much more significant job had to apply for a grant or work 2 jobs just to get through college...


The owners didn't get to be rich enough to buy a football team in the first place by not doing any work.... they own it.. it's their money... they can do whatever they want with it (to an extent obviously)... I'm all for free enterprise and capitalism... but no wonder you're on the side of these crooked agents..... you view it through their goggles..

Mr. Magoo
07-22-2010, 12:35 PM
If the average Joe out there valued the service people gave risking their lives fighting fires and arresting criminals as much as they value football players, they'd be paid that way. It's tragic, unfortunate and unfair, but it's very simple economics. It's the same situation in the movie business. What actors do is ridiculous on the face of it but what they do is incredibly valuable to the public and people show what they value with their wallets.

The NFL is a multibillion dollar business and CK is absolutely right. Someone's going to keep those billions. It's not going to charity. I vote for it being the players and coaches. They're the ones who generate the demand, not the owners.

NY8123
07-22-2010, 12:37 PM
I wanna go out on a limb and say that these Saban haters are the same people I seen buring Ricky Williams jerseys a few years back.

Wrong limb. Ricky made a mistake and maned up. Saban ran out of town like whipped dog. He took a job and couldn't handle it and folded and instead of maning up he took the cowards way out.

**** Saban I hate him more then anyone else in the history of Miami just for the way he pussed out.

TedSlimmJr
07-22-2010, 12:42 PM
If the average Joe out there valued the service people gave risking their lives fighting fires and arresting criminals as much as they value football players, they'd be paid that way. It's tragic, unfortunate and unfair, but it's very simple economics. It's the same situation in the movie business. What actors do is ridiculous on the face of it but what they do is incredibly valuable to the public and people show what they value with their wallets.

The NFL is a multibillion dollar business and CK is absolutely right. Someone's going to keep those billions. It's not going to charity. I vote for it being the players and coaches. They're the ones who generate the demand, not the owners.


Exactly... but it speaks more to society than anything else... the society that WE created. People choose to spend their money on entertainment (professional sports) as opposed to appreciating what the average Joe is doing out here.... It's our fault for overpaid athletes as a whole...

But I can speak for myself because I don't spend my dollars on anything to make an NFL owner richer, or an NFL athlete richer... I DON'T contribute to it...

However, if I had to choose, the money would go to better pensions for retired players, proven veterans, charities, etc... and perhaps even a fund set up bail all these slimeball agents out of jail that keep coming around like parasites attaching themselves to amateur athletes...

When the NFL owners money starts having to go towards bailing these creeps out of jail, paying for their lawyers, fines, etc... instead of in their pockets... that's another way to get the NFL to start paying attention to the issue...

JCane
07-22-2010, 12:45 PM
Wrong limb. Ricky made a mistake and maned up. Saban ran out of town like whipped dog. He took a job and couldn't handle it and folded and instead of maning up he took the cowards way out.

**** Saban I hate him more then anyone else in the history of Miami just for the way he pussed out.

If he couldn't handle why the hell would you be mad at him for leaving lol? I realized he couldn't handle it so I was glad he left. No sense in forcing something that probably won't happen right? Why make us suffer even more. Makes about as much sense as a screen door on a submarine.

JCane
07-22-2010, 12:47 PM
And I don't think Ricky manned up lol. I think Ricky sobered up long enough to understand what he was facing legally. Ricky had no choice but to return to the NFL to make some of that money back. I love Ricky to death but damn these hippies are retarded.

:lol:

Vaark
07-22-2010, 01:21 PM
LOL@thelittleshmuck.

With St Nick, it's always someone else who's the villian or a revisionist rendition where his motives are pure, his intent is forthright and his actions are well-meaning but misunderstood.

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2010/07/20mdxt-1.jpg

JCane
07-22-2010, 01:23 PM
LOL@thelittleshmuck.

With St Nick, it's always someone else who's the villian or a revisionist rendition where his motives are pure, his intent is forthright and his actions are well-meaning but misunderstood.


I was wondering when you'd get here.

:lol:

Namor
07-22-2010, 01:34 PM
Still amounts to "jilted girlfriend syndrome"

ckparrothead
07-22-2010, 01:35 PM
No it's ridiculous what the 53rd rated salary on ANY NFL roster is making.... I understand that it's in proportion to what the league is worth now compared to 30 years ago... But this a real life point of view... you're caught up in the dramatics of it all because it's a sport..

The "injustice" is in what people out here risking their lives everyday are getting paid compared to what some 3rd string special teamer in the NFL is making.... compile that with most of these overpaid players also got a college education for free...(or at least the opportunity to get one)... where the "average Joe" getting paid much, much less to do a much more significant job had to apply for a grant or work 2 jobs just to get through college...


The owners didn't get to be rich enough to buy a football team in the first place by not doing any work.... they own it.. it's their money... they can do whatever they want with it (to an extent obviously)... I'm all for free enterprise and capitalism... but no wonder you're on the side of these crooked agents..... you view it through their goggles..

If you're a big fan of enterprise and capitalism then surely you would recognize the free market principles that go into the NFL being such a powerful revenue generating machine, which in turn makes the best football players in the world highly paid people. It's easy when you're not close enough to Miami to be tempted to buy a ticket to a game, to claim yourself blameless for the system you hate. But, presumably you watch the NFL on television. Here you sit, hours a day, spending time discussing football on an NFL oriented message board. This is all part of the machine. The NFL collected $3 billion in television revenue this year, if you extract the tv revenue number from the Packers' financial reporting and extrapolate it across the 32 teams which share it equally. If the players get 60% of that money then each player averaged $1 million this year, thanks to your viewership. On behalf of those NFL players, I would like to thank you for the viewership of yourself and those like you, without which these NFL players could not make 20 times the money of a fireman or policeman. Thank you, TedSlimmJr, for doing your part to make them rich.

As for the owners and "enterprise and capitalism"...come on. The owners in most cases either A) have owned the teams since they cost a nickel and have ridden the wave of success as the NFL became more and more popular, B) earned their ownership status via being born to the right person, or C) paid money for the team commensurate to the amount of money they can expect to get back from it under the current system that has been set up. A system, by the way, that is stamped with the approval of the U.S. Government, who designs laws to protect it, and who made it exempt from certain key anti-trust laws that help the owners maintain a full court press in their ongoing struggle against the players union.

TedSlimmJr
07-22-2010, 01:42 PM
That's exactly my beef. If people want to cry about losing a player because of these sports agents, not being able to cheer for a team that is as strong as it should be, fine whatever. But Nick Saban and really any college head coach or Athletic Director, really have no moral grounds to be publicly bashing the agents. No moral grounds whatsoever.


I must have missed this one somehow...

Collegiate coaches and AD's are bashing the system more than they're standing on their moral high horse and bashing slimeball agents.... Alabama can survive without Marcel Dareus (even though he's the best defensive lineman in college football) and win another championship.... that's not the point..

The point is it's not right for the PROGRAM to suffer the consequences (probation, sanctions, loss of scholarships, etc., etc.) for the actions of an idividual player who has already had it DRILLED in him from day 1 from coaches and compliance departments that he CANNOT accept any benefits from an agent, or have contact with an agent at all... period. Meanwhile, the slimeball agent has broken the law and goes unpunished..... never even gets his name mentioned in the media... he just runs off to another dark alley for another shady deal with another amateur athlete... and gets another program put on probation..

The problem here is the structure of the authorative entities... the NCAA can punish a program for something they had nothing to do with.... they have no authority over the agents... so there's nothing to even deter the agents from pursuing more kids....the agents don't care if they get every program in the country on probation as long as they're getting their pockets padded off the reputation of an athletes skills...

The NFL and the players union have authority over agents and unethical practices.... yet they won't do anything to help...

Until now... I guarantee you things are about to change...





The way I feel about it is it shouldn't even be a penalty handed down unless a booster or someone associated with the University is attempting to attract recruits via benefits (money, fancy cars, etc.).... that is an unfair competitive advantage and should be punished.... if you can't land a recruit without that type of behavior then you don't deserve him...

What's strange is that the best players that come out of the University of Alabama are seldom ever 5 star recruits..... they're mostly 2 and 3 stars.... occassionally 4 stars...etc...

Which speaks to the ability of a coaching staff to develope football players... It's not right for agents to be cashing in on this as long as the player still has eligibility and is the coaches and programs responsibility..

The difference between Saban and the agents is that HE is the one that invested the knowledge, coaching, time, effort, and resources to give this kid a chance to play at the next level.... the agent did nothing but piggy back off of Saban's coaching ability to cash in....

If you can't see the difference there it's only because you choose not to...

NY8123
07-22-2010, 02:33 PM
If he couldn't handle why the hell would you be mad at him for leaving lol? I realized he couldn't handle it so I was glad he left. No sense in forcing something that probably won't happen right? Why make us suffer even more. Makes about as much sense as a screen door on a submarine.


It isn't the fact that he left, it is how he left. Be a man admit you were wrong and own up. He didn't do any of that when he left the franchise and now he has the balls to call out others for their shortcomings. Laughable in my eyes regardless of the fact if he is right or not ask yourself if Shula, Landary or Lombardi would have handled it that way!

Bama couldn’t have a better leader if you ask me, Saban is right were he belongs, with a bunch of hogs.


It took Ricky a long time to step-up and own up to his problems and in the middle of it I was mother ****ing him for not changing his ways but and the big but in my eyes with Ricky is that he finally realized he was to blame and no one else.

Ricky is guilty of not being a better roll model, Saban is in a position of a roll model and doesn't deserve to be.

If more parents were up to the task of being good roll models then less public action would be required to fill the roll.

TedSlimmJr
07-22-2010, 02:53 PM
It isn't the fact that he left, it is how he left. Be a man admit you were wrong and own up. He didn't do any of that when he left the franchise and now he has the balls to call out others for their shortcomings. Laughable in my eyes regardless of the fact if he is right or not ask yourself if Shula, Landary or Lombardi would have handled it that way!

Bama couldn’t have a better leader if you ask me, Saban is right were he belongs, with a bunch of hogs.


It took Ricky a long time to step-up and own up to his problems and in the middle of it I was mother ****ing him for not changing his ways but and the big but in my eyes with Ricky is that he finally realized he was to blame and no one else.

Ricky is guilty of not being a better roll model, Saban is in a position of a roll model and doesn't deserve to be.

If more parents were up to the task of being good roll models then less public action would be required to fill the roll.



You really feel jilted don't you son? Here's a clue... Nick Saban was up front and honest with the only people that mattered.... His wife, his kids, and Wayne Huizenga...

He didn't owe the south Florida jughead media pricks or it's fickle fanbase a thing... NOTHING... and still doesn't.

There's only one thing people hate worse than a liar and that's a hypocrite.... which is exactly what all you whiny ***** are....especially those of you that enjoy sucking off Bill "spurn one franchise for the other" Parcells... except when YOU'RE considering a career change or even a handle change to post on internet message boards, YOU don't have microphones and cameras shoved in your face...

You're right about one thing though.... Alabama couldn't have a better leader...






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07-22-2010, 03:26 PM
You really feel jilted don't you son? Here's a clue... Nick Saban was up front and honest with the only people that mattered.... His wife, his kids, and Wayne Huizenga...

He didn't owe the south Florida jughead media pricks or it's fickle fanbase a thing... NOTHING... and still doesn't.

There's only one thing people hate worse than a liar and that's a hypocrite.... which is exactly what all you whiny ***** are....especially those of you that enjoy sucking off Bill "spurn one franchise for the other" Parcells... except when YOU'RE considering a career change or even a handle change to post on internet message boards, YOU don't have microphones and cameras shoved in your face...

You're right about one thing though.... Alabama couldn't have a better leader...






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I just don't like Nick Saban. If you want to kiss his *** feel free but since I don't have to like everyone in the world I will call him an ******* any chance I get.

You are right about one thing son - he did right by his family and that is commendable I would do the same. What he lacks is honor and integrity and that my friend is what makes a leader and a roll model.

TedSlimmJr
07-22-2010, 03:40 PM
I just don't like Nick Saban. If you want to kiss his *** feel free but since I don't have to like everyone in the world I will call him an ******* any chance I get.

You are right about one thing son - he did right by his family and that is commendable I would do the same. What he lacks is honor and integrity and that my friend is what makes a leader and a roll model.


There's nothing wrong with not liking Nick Saban.... If that's how anyone feels it's their choice.... and I can certainly respect that.

But to sit there and throw out that the man lacks honor and integrity as reasons why simply don't just doesn't fly..... Perhaps he's a little narcissistic.... but the great one's always are.... in any walk of life that's dog-eat-dog... as sports is.

Unless you are the absolute pillar of honor and integrity and live your life daily building upon these qualities and have substantiated proof of it... it's just comes across as sour grapes and another envious Dolphins fan...

Saban is more of a role model than anyone is willing to admit.... not only to football players, but to his coaching peers.

Ask any of those programs that he's been at and left to better himself (LSU, Michigan St., etc.) if they'd take him back in a heartbeat... you already know what the answer would be....

And to players like Mark Ingram, etc... who's fathers are in prison serving time behind bars.. Saban is much more than a role model, he IS their father figure...

NY8123
07-22-2010, 03:59 PM
There's nothing wrong with not liking Nick Saban.... If that's how anyone feels it's their choice.... and I can certainly respect that.

But to sit there and throw out that the man lacks honor and integrity as reasons why simply don't just doesn't fly..... Perhaps he's a little narcissistic.... but the great one's always are.... in any walk of life that's dog-eat-dog... as sports is.

Unless you are the absolute pillar of honor and integrity and live your life daily building upon these qualities and have substantiated proof of it... it's just comes across as sour grapes and another envious Dolphins fan...

Saban is more of a role model than anyone is willing to admit.... not only to football players, but to his coaching peers.

Ask any of those programs that he's been at and left to better himself (LSU, Michigan St., etc.) if they'd take him back in a heartbeat... you already know what the answer would be....

And to players like Mark Ingram, etc... who's fathers are in prison serving time behind bars.. Saban is much more than a role model, he IS their father figure...

No one is perfect it's how you handle the imprefction that defines us and Saban has a lot to learn in that area.


Charles Robinson
University Wire
11-30-1999
(The State News) (U-WIRE) EAST LANSING, Mich. -- The courtship was short, the cash was sweet and Nick Saban's tenure as MSU football head coach is history.

Saban accepted a reported 5-year, $6.25 million offer from Louisiana State University to become its football head coach.

The loss throws the Spartan football program into chaos, as assistant head coach Bobby Williams will coach the team for the Jan. 1 Citrus Bowl and the school begins to scour the nation for another coach.




After repeated denials, Saban takes Bama job
TUSCALOOSA, Ala. -- Nick Saban landed to chants of "Roll Tide," then stepped off the airplane and made the long trek across the tarmac to greet throngs of screaming Alabama fans.
That feverish reception Wednesday kicked off a "new era" for the Crimson Tide under a coach they're hoping will finally restore the program to championship heights.

Alabama lured Saban from the Miami Dolphins on Wednesday, ending five weeks of denials and two days of deliberation. Saban, who two weeks ago declared "I'm not going to be the Alabama coach," accepted the Tide's job offer job and abandoned his attempt to rebuild the Dolphins after only two seasons.

Yeah Saban has some good actions in his past. He is the last one that should call anyone out for anything they do.

TedSlimmJr
07-22-2010, 04:30 PM
Michigan St. would take Saban back in a heartbeat... as would LSU.... they talk about it all the time...



As for the Dolphins, you do realize that Wayne let him out of his contract? Saban told Wayne he would stay an honor it... continue to coach the Dolphins.. Wayne told him if he didn't want to be the Dolphins coach to go ahead and go....

Why would Saban (or any coach) stand up there and tell everyone that he's going to be the coach somewhere else when he didn't even know he was going to be the coach somewhere else?.... he didn't know that Wayne was going to let him out of his contract... Hell, Saban's job was to keep the team together.... he was still Miami's coach. And there's not a coach anywhere in any league that would do different...


It's not Saban that has a lot to learn.. he's learned. If he stood up there and looked dead in the camera and said "I'm not happy here.... my family isn't happy here... I have to consider other opportunities"...

Would you hate him any less? Because the fact is... HE DIDN'T OWE THAT TO YOU.... OR THE MEDIA.... He owed it to his boss and that's exactly what he did....

The only reason he FINALLY said "I'm not going to be the Alabama coach" is because the media kept hounding him about it over and over and over again at every press conference despite him constantly telling them that he had no contact with Alabama... which he had not had at that point..


As a matter of fact, when Mal Moore flew down to Miami to offer Saban the job, Dr. Witt told him that if he didn't come back with Nick Saban on that plane, to just tell the pilot to "keep on flying you to Cuba"....


Saban had agreed to nothing...

NY8123
07-22-2010, 10:07 PM
Michigan St. would take Saban back in a heartbeat... as would LSU.... they talk about it all the time...



As for the Dolphins, you do realize that Wayne let him out of his contract? Saban told Wayne he would stay an honor it... continue to coach the Dolphins.. Wayne told him if he didn't want to be the Dolphins coach to go ahead and go....

Why would Saban (or any coach) stand up there and tell everyone that he's going to be the coach somewhere else when he didn't even know he was going to be the coach somewhere else?.... he didn't know that Wayne was going to let him out of his contract... Hell, Saban's job was to keep the team together.... he was still Miami's coach. And there's not a coach anywhere in any league that would do different...


It's not Saban that has a lot to learn.. he's learned. If he stood up there and looked dead in the camera and said "I'm not happy here.... my family isn't happy here... I have to consider other opportunities"...

Would you hate him any less? Because the fact is... HE DIDN'T OWE THAT TO YOU.... OR THE MEDIA.... He owed it to his boss and that's exactly what he did....

The only reason he FINALLY said "I'm not going to be the Alabama coach" is because the media kept hounding him about it over and over and over again at every press conference despite him constantly telling them that he had no contact with Alabama... which he had not had at that point..


As a matter of fact, when Mal Moore flew down to Miami to offer Saban the job, Dr. Witt told him that if he didn't come back with Nick Saban on that plane, to just tell the pilot to "keep on flying you to Cuba"....


Saban had agreed to nothing...

I never said the man did nor did I ever want him to "owe" me anything as a fan. Every time Saban took another job there was some sort of abandonment from the commitment he took on. I'm just sayin' the man oozes lack of commitment when the going gets tough.

I was a Miami fan with him as a coach and I am without him as a coach. I as a fan wouldn’t ever want the man back as a leader of a team I root for so as long as he never heads to south Miami I have nothing ever to worry about.

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me!

Namor
07-22-2010, 10:22 PM
Still amounts to "jilted girlfriend syndrome".

NY8123
07-23-2010, 10:40 AM
Still amounts to "jilted girlfriend syndrome".

Nah. DBS - Douche Bag Syndrome

Namor
07-23-2010, 01:14 PM
Nah. DBS - Douche Bag Syndrome

Only from the ones jilted!!

NY8123
07-24-2010, 01:09 AM
Only from the ones jilted!!

So you want him back to coach Miami then?

Namor
07-24-2010, 06:15 PM
So you want him back to coach Miami then?

No...he did not want to be in Miami,he waited till the season was over,unlike a Petrino,
(would you guys prefered that way?)and he told Wayne what was up.
I don't want nobody coaching Miami,that doesn't want to be here,dang,thats just stupid.
Plus,I'm a Bama alum..I'm kind of fond of where he is at and what he has done.
It's kind of like my ex-wife..i hope she goes on to great things.I don't sit around pining
for her,saying she was this or that.
I've gone on to better my life without her....It takes two to screw things up.
The Dolphins had their share of the blame in why Nick left.
Hate Nick all you want to,It doesn't bother him and just makes alot of you
guys look petty.

JCane
07-24-2010, 07:05 PM
Saban was screwed either way. If he comes out and says that he's interested in the Alabama job he's going to get crucified. If he takes us to the playoffs that season and then leaves after saying he'd reevaluate his position at the end of the season, he still gets crucified for taking a job he shouldn't have. It was a lose - lose for Saban regardless of how he handled it. Fans are RUTHLESS when it comes to this kind of stuff.

Definitely the jilted girlfriend syndrome. It was always going to be viewed as Miami isn't good enough.

NY8123
07-25-2010, 06:52 AM
No...he did not want to be in Miami,he waited till the season was over,unlike a Petrino,
(would you guys prefered that way?)and he told Wayne what was up.
I don't want nobody coaching Miami,that doesn't want to be here,dang,thats just stupid.
Plus,I'm a Bama alum..I'm kind of fond of where he is at and what he has done.
It's kind of like my ex-wife..i hope she goes on to great things.I don't sit around pining
for her,saying she was this or that.
I've gone on to better my life without her....It takes two to screw things up.
The Dolphins had their share of the blame in why Nick left.
Hate Nick all you want to,It doesn't bother him and just makes alot of you
guys look petty.

I don't hate Saban I hate the way he handled the situation. He lost respect in my eyes over it and if in the future he does something to change my opinion then so be it, I don't think Nick Saban or myself are going to lose any sleep over it either way (at least this Nick isn't anyway).

My ex-wife and I are better friends now then we were at the end of our marriage, sometime people are just meant to be friends and nothing more. Saban is no particular friend of the Dolphins. Never once did he stand up and say he ****ed up until he was bashed in the media into doing so.

Be a man admit your failure, learn from it and move on. Simple.

JPPT1974
07-25-2010, 02:43 PM
Well agree or not, that is Saban's opinion and he's sticking to it! As having an agent in college, is a no-no due to NCAA violation rules.

Namor
07-25-2010, 07:02 PM
I don't hate Saban I hate the way he handled the situation. He lost respect in my eyes over it and if in the future he does something to change my opinion then so be it, I don't think Nick Saban or myself are going to lose any sleep over it either way (at least this Nick isn't anyway).

My ex-wife and I are better friends now then we were at the end of our marriage, sometime people are just meant to be friends and nothing more. Saban is no particular friend of the Dolphins. Never once did he stand up and say he ****ed up until he was bashed in the media into doing so.

Be a man admit your failure, learn from it and move on. Simple.

Yet in many interviews,Nick has always talked well of the Dolphins and blamed himself for the way things happened.
I've sat in several Red elephant club dinners and heard him say these exact things.
He was in a no win situation...
Do you think Nick CARES what the media thinks..He hates talking to the media..he just
wants to recruite and coach...plan and simple.
What kills me around here is Dolphin fans yell Shut up Nick no one cares..
yet,when he speaks ...there will be several 6 to 10 page threads about a coach
that left four years ago.
If nobody cares,then why when Nick talks he makes the National news,USAToday ,SI.
and ESPN.The media follows him,not the other way around.
As much as I like Tony S,(one because he is our coach)when was the last time he
was on the cover of SI,Forbes or paid hundreds of thousands to speak somewhere?
Like him or not Nick is the best college football coach in the business.
People are stupid if they think that with enough time and the front office staying
out of his way Nick would not have been successful here.
Dolphin fans are mad because they got jilted...Plain and simple.

NY8123
07-26-2010, 10:08 AM
Yet in many interviews,Nick has always talked well of the Dolphins and blamed himself for the way things happened.
I've sat in several Red elephant club dinners and heard him say these exact things.
He was in a no win situation...
Do you think Nick CARES what the media thinks..He hates talking to the media..he just
wants to recruite and coach...plan and simple.
What kills me around here is Dolphin fans yell Shut up Nick no one cares..
yet,when he speaks ...there will be several 6 to 10 page threads about a coach
that left four years ago.
If nobody cares,then why when Nick talks he makes the National news,USAToday ,SI.
and ESPN.The media follows him,not the other way around.
As much as I like Tony S,(one because he is our coach)when was the last time he
was on the cover of SI,Forbes or paid hundreds of thousands to speak somewhere?
Like him or not Nick is the best college football coach in the business.
People are stupid if they think that with enough time and the front office staying
out of his way Nick would not have been successful here.
Dolphin fans are mad because they got jilted...Plain and simple.

Don't be fooled Nick cares what the media and fans for that matter think (even Miami). We all care, if you were getting bashed for events in your past by the media you would care, I would care we all would. If Saban didn't care it wouldn't be the topic at several Red elephant club dinners.

When Saban commented on the NFL agents (which honestly I think he was right on the money with his comments) he didn't stop to think that he himself was not in the best position to comment publicly.

If you are a Bama fan then you love the guy and think what's the big deal but unfortunately that is only a certain portion of the population, the rest of us ask why the hell should this guy care at all after the way he handled some of the moves in his life? Who is he to criticize?

Bowden, and JoePa might have a little something to say about that best coach thing too.

As for Tony and his lack of media exposure, that is the influence of Bill and Bill alone. He views the media as a distraction to what needs to be done. As time wears and if Tony as success as a head coach he will be exposed more in the media. First and foremost the job at hand is to turn the Miami Dolphins back into the club it was though most of it's storied life.

TedSlimmJr
07-26-2010, 10:39 AM
Don't be fooled Nick cares what the media and fans for that matter think (even Miami). We all care, if you were getting bashed for events in your past by the media you would care, I would care we all would. If Saban didn't care it wouldn't be the topic at several Red elephant club dinners.

When Saban commented on the NFL agents (which honestly I think he was right on the money with his comments) he didn't stop to think that he himself was not in the best position to comment publicly.

If you are a Bama fan then you love the guy and think what's the big deal but unfortunately that is only a certain portion of the population, the rest of us ask why the hell should this guy care at all after the way he handled some of the moves in his life? Who is he to criticize?

Bowden, and JoePa might have a little something to say about that best coach thing too.

As for Tony and his lack of media exposure, that is the influence of Bill and Bill alone. He views the media as a distraction to what needs to be done. As time wears and if Tony as success as a head coach he will be exposed more in the media. First and foremost the job at hand is to turn the Miami Dolphins back into the club it was though most of it's storied life.



You're way off on one thing here... Nick Saban is in the best position of anyone to comment on the agents.... He's currently the highest paid coach in the business, the current national champion, and he knows that his comments get noticed.... for better or worse. But the main reason he's in position to comment is because it's a topic that DIRECTLY AFFECTS HIS PROGRAM..

..and he happens to be the best coach in college football no matter who's paying him... (Bama, LSU, Michigan St., etc.)... it doesn't matter..



The only percentage of the population that suffers from JGS (jilted girlfriend syndrome) is the Dolphins fanbase.... which is only a blip on the radar of the entire college football and NFL world....

Saban has the backing of the most powerful men in business and sports when it comes to this issue... and even rival coaches. The only place where it's being "asked why in the hell should this guy care at all after the way he handled some of the moves in his life" is in your head...

You simply can't say he was right about his comments, and then turn around in the same breath and be more concerned about who said it just because it was Saban... that's just another JGS episode coming to the surface there... You really should move on from your judgemental state of mind here about a man you don't know a **** hair about... Who are you to criticize? The answer is jilted Dolphins fan...nothing more.


Also, Saban has the same number (2) of national championships as Paterno and Bowden... except it took them 30-40 years to get there, and Saban has done it in two different places....Saban still has a long ways to go... Bobby is retired anyway... and was run off in favor of a Saban protege (Jimbo Fisher)...

Last but certainly not least... comparing any career move Saban has ever made is apples and oranges to the unethical practices of rogue agents contacting amateur athletes in order to get rich fast piggy backing off Saban's coaching ability and developing the players in the first place....

What they're doing is ILLEGAL.....

Seriously snap out of it... maybe you should seek counseling...

NY8123
07-26-2010, 11:58 AM
You're way off on one thing here... Nick Saban is in the best position of anyone to comment on the agents.... He's currently the highest paid coach in the business, the current national champion, and he knows that his comments get noticed.... for better or worse. But the main reason he's in position to comment is because it's a topic that DIRECTLY AFFECTS HIS PROGRAM..

..and he happens to be the best coach in college football no matter who's paying him... (Bama, LSU, Michigan St., etc.)... it doesn't matter..



The only percentage of the population that suffers from JGS (jilted girlfriend syndrome) is the Dolphins fanbase.... which is only a blip on the radar of the entire college football and NFL world....

Saban has the backing of the most powerful men in business and sports when it comes to this issue... and even rival coaches. The only place where it's being "asked why in the hell should this guy care at all after the way he handled some of the moves in his life" is in your head...

You simply can't say he was right about his comments, and then turn around in the same breath and be more concerned about who said it just because it was Saban... that's just another JGS episode coming to the surface there... You really should move on from your judgemental state of mind here about a man you don't know a **** hair about... Who are you to criticize? The answer is jilted Dolphins fan...nothing more.


Also, Saban has the same number (2) of national championships as Paterno and Bowden... except it took them 30-40 years to get there, and Saban has done it in two different places....Saban still has a long ways to go... Bobby is retired anyway... and was run off in favor of a Saban protege (Jimbo Fisher)...

Last but certainly not least... comparing any career move Saban has ever made is apples and oranges to the unethical practices of rogue agents contacting amateur athletes in order to get rich fast piggy backing off Saban's coaching ability and developing the players in the first place....

What they're doing is ILLEGAL.....

Seriously snap out of it... maybe you should seek counseling...

It is your point of view that I am way off base about Saban and his ability to comment.

He is the highest paid coach in college football because he put himself first, ahead of any program he has ever coached. So isn't that that same thing the agents for the players are doing, making money for themselves? Right? It is all about the money always has been with Saban.

You are the one that needs to snap out of it, the guy would leave Bama for the next best thing in a heart beat if the offer came up. Saban has no loyalties and neither do the NFL agents so that in itself makes him one not to comment on it.

Dennis Erickson has about the same coaching credentials as Saban and I wouldn't put him with Bowden and Paterno.

TedSlimmJr
07-26-2010, 12:32 PM
It is your point of view that I am way off base about Saban and his ability to comment.

He is the highest paid coach in college football because he put himself first, ahead of any program he has ever coached. So isn't that that same thing the agents for the players are doing, making money for themselves? Right? It is all about the money always has been with Saban.

You are the one that needs to snap out of it, the guy would leave Bama for the next best thing in a heart beat if the offer came up. Saban has no loyalties and neither do the NFL agents so that in itself makes him one not to comment on it.

Dennis Erickson has about the same coaching credentials as Saban and I wouldn't put him with Bowden and Paterno.


Saban hasn't had the time to accumulate the overall longevity of Paterno or Bowden.... but either way he's still the best coach in college football at the present time.... In fact, tune in on September 11th and you'll get to see Paterno face Saban....

I've always been partial to Paterno, and Bowden for that matter.... because I'm an old school college football guy and Bama fan, and I appreciate the legends of the past more than the younger generation... Some of the best games I've ever seen were between Paterno and Bear Bryant... "The Goal Line Stand" in the '79 Sugar Bowl, etc...

I've always admired Paterno because of the way he coaches his players and molds young men... he runs a clean program and does it the right way... just like Saban does...

However, there's two words that ends all conversations when it comes to the best college football coach of all time.... Bear Bryant.






As for Saban and the agents, Saban is the one investing the time, resources, coaching, teaching, and development of the players in order for them to even have a chance to play at the next level and "get paid".... the rogue agents are nothing but parasites that leach off of it....they have nothing invested.

The only thing they invest in is a cash loan up front to players who still have eligibility left.... making them ineligible and leaving the program to deal with the consequences.....I mean honestly, what are you not understanding about that???

Saban is the highest paid coach in college football because that's what his worth is.... although there's a couple who are making just about what Saban is making... who agree with him. He's making less at Alabama than he was in Miami so how does that constitute being all about the money?

He also pays his assistants quite well so they can take care of their families....


Like I said it's fine to dislike Saban, but your attempts to peel this man's personal character back layer by layer as means for it are more and more visible as pure jealousy and envy... Just be glad this "dishonorable" man isn't Miami's coach and proceed to sucking off Bill Parcells.... who shares the same agent as Saban...


If Saban were to leave Alabama for the next "big thing" as you suggest, I can promise you that the Bama fans are much better equipped to deal with it... it's an entirely different breed of fan from the one's of professional sports...and have experienced much worse. A local sportswriter once said it best....."Alabama didn't sell their soul to Satan, Alabama has no soul".....



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NY8123
07-26-2010, 01:05 PM
Saban hasn't had the time to accumulate the overall longevity of Paterno or Bowden.... but either way he's still the best coach in college football at the present time.... In fact, tune in on September 11th and you'll get to see Paterno face Saban....

I've always been partial to Paterno, and Bowden for that matter.... because I'm an old school college football guy and Bama fan, and I appreciate the legends of the past more than the younger generation... Some of the best games I've ever seen were between Paterno and Bear Bryant... "The Goal Line Stand" in the '79 Sugar Bowl, etc...

I've always admired Paterno because of the way he coaches his players and molds young men... he runs a clean program and does it the right way... just like Saban does...

However, there's two words that ends all conversations when it comes to the best college football coach of all time.... Bear Bryant.






As for Saban and the agents, Saban is the one investing the time, resources, coaching, teaching, and development of the players in order for them to even have a chance to play at the next level and "get paid".... the rogue agents are nothing but parasites that leach off of it....they have nothing invested.

The only thing they invest in is a cash loan up front to players who still have eligibility left.... making them ineligible and leaving the program to deal with the consequences.....I mean honestly, what are you not understanding about that???

Saban is the highest paid coach in college football because that's what his worth is.... although there's a couple who are making just about what Saban is making... who agree with him. He's making less at Alabama than he was in Miami so how does that constitute being all about the money?

He also pays his assistants quite well so they can take care of their families....


Like I said it's fine to dislike Saban, but your attempts to peel this man's personal character back layer by layer as means for it are more and more visible as pure jealousy and envy... Just be glad this "dishonorable" man isn't Miami's coach and proceed to sucking off Bill Parcells.... who shares the same agent as Saban...


If Saban were to leave Alabama for the next "big thing" as you suggest, I can promise you that the Bama fans are much better equipped to deal with it... it's an entirely different breed of fan from the one's of professional sports...and have experienced much worse. A local sportswriter once said it best....."Alabama didn't sell their soul to Satan, Alabama has no soul".....



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Where have I wrote anywhere in this post that Saban was a bad coach or running a "dirty" program. Not once did I criticize him for any of his accomplishments in College football.

All I said his he handled his departure from Miami like a douche and the facts are he did and then later tried to back track. End of story. His track record for leaving other programs high and dry is not the best either and those programs he left were due to his personal goals only. Saban doesn't make less money at Bama he makes 4mill a year with 700 to 800K in bowl incentives a year compared to the 4.5mil he left on the table at Miami. Boo Hoo.

Alabama didn't have to sell their soul to Satan, they sold it to Saban.

NY8123
07-26-2010, 01:15 PM
Ha I must not be the only one who noticed Saban should have not commented lol. Old Ralphie shares my point of view it would seem.


"[D]on't put USC in your rear view mirror," Cindrich said, via SportsRadioInterviews.com. "There is a lot more going on there. Those guys out there from neighborhoods that are deprived who are driving Range Rovers and the Mercedes and all the rest, they just earn that on their own on the weekends in the offseason."

Cindrich also had some pointed comments for Nick Saban, who described agents who give money to players as "pimps." As to whether there's a difference between the way that college coaches and agents recruit, Cindrich said, "No. And old Nick knows that. I've seen him out on the road a time or two. He's contacted a client of mine or a family member of a client of mine. I know what goes on out there and he knows that I know. The bottom line is that to stand up on a pulpit and start preaching that way -- and maybe I'm doing it, take a shot at me -- that bothers me, especially when it comes from a guy like Nick Saban."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/26/cindrich-says-there-is-a-lot-more-going-on-at-usc/

TedSlimmJr
07-26-2010, 01:17 PM
Where have I wrote anywhere in this post that Saban was a bad coach or running a "dirty" program. Not once did I criticize him for any of his accomplishments in College football.

All I said his he handled his departure from Miami like a douche and the facts are he did and then later tried to back track. End of story. His track record for leaving other programs high and dry is not the best either and those programs he left were due to his personal goals only. Saban doesn't make less money at Bama he makes 4mill a year with 700 to 800K in bowl incentives a year compared to the 4.5mil he left on the table at Miami. Boo Hoo.

Alabama didn't have to sell their soul to Satan, they sold it to Saban.


The only "facts" you know are what some brain dead south Florida journalist that feels spurned as much as you do wants you to believe...

There's an entirely different perspective on what the "facts" are that have been provided for you in this thread and many, many others.. it's just whatever you choose to believe. It's almost as if you think you'd be less of a Dolphins fan if you didn't stick your fingers in your ears and yell "LA LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU... SABAN SUCKS"....etc...

Which is fine... In fact, it's actually entertaining to a few of us that post around here which is why we like to participate in these Saban threads that get posted once a week now....

We're just waiting for the Bill Parcells threads that are sure to follow..... All of the one's that suck him off now will be trashing him once he lives up to his reputation and leaves with the job unfinished...

TedSlimmJr
07-26-2010, 01:22 PM
Ha I must not be the only one who noticed Saban should have not commented lol. Old Ralphie shares my point of view it would seem.



http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/26/cindrich-says-there-is-a-lot-more-going-on-at-usc/



It's always the stuck pig that squeals... The agents that operate by a code of ethics aren't offended by Saban's comments and know that he's right...

And if guys like this had to worry about their licenses being taken away for their illegal activity without sanctions being brought down on programs you wouldn't hear a peep out of him....

ckparrothead
07-26-2010, 01:32 PM
Conveniently glossing over the part where Cindrich directly implies that Nick Saban is guilty of plenty of infractions?

milldog
07-26-2010, 02:03 PM
Sorry but he is 100% correct, you just don't get it! Has nothing to do w what either said.

Namor
07-26-2010, 02:03 PM
Conveniently glossing over the part where Cindrich directly implies that Nick Saban is guilty of plenty of infractions?

Other than a few secondary violations.
Name them.

TedSlimmJr
07-26-2010, 02:12 PM
Other than a few secondary violations.
Name them.


He couldn't.... Cindrich obviously has to be referring to Saban contacting "clients" during his NFL tenure.... Agents dont represent high school kids on the recruiting trail... Unless he's referring to coaches...

Which isn't a violation or illegal... The only thing that is required is sort of an unwritten rule... You're supposed to contact the head coach personally and inform him that you're interested in one of his coaches.... which is what Lane Kiffin DIDN'T do for Jeff Fisher, which is why Jeff Fisher is pissed off at Lane Kiffin...



Again, this has nothing to do with a "Holy War"... this is about one sided punishment towards the programs these coaches are responsible for keeping afloat while the violators and rogue agents go unpunished and unidentified...

milldog
07-26-2010, 02:40 PM
And another fact to be considered is the amount of time a player will actually stay in the NFL...I have no problem with them being millionaires, heck I believe they should be able to make as much as they can bargain for especially when the owner's getting uber-rich eating cheetos, sippin scotch, and getting a back rub till he dies.

TedSlimmJr
07-26-2010, 02:43 PM
BTW... Bobby Bowden is a Birmingham native and was raised on Alabama football.. he grew up a Bama fan as a kid and even played quarterback at Bama before transferring... He always said he wanted to come back home and watch Alabama play football when he retired...

He's accepted a personal invitation from athletic director Mal Moore to attend the Bama/Penn St. game in early September to see his old friend and rival Papa Joe square off against Saban.... easy to figure out who he'll be pulling for...

NY8123
07-26-2010, 03:23 PM
The only "facts" you know are what some brain dead south Florida journalist that feels spurned as much as you do wants you to believe...

There's an entirely different perspective on what the "facts" are that have been provided for you in this thread and many, many others.. it's just whatever you choose to believe. It's almost as if you think you'd be less of a Dolphins fan if you didn't stick your fingers in your ears and yell "LA LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU... SABAN SUCKS"....etc...

Which is fine... In fact, it's actually entertaining to a few of us that post around here which is why we like to participate in these Saban threads that get posted once a week now....

We're just waiting for the Bill Parcells threads that are sure to follow..... All of the one's that suck him off now will be trashing him once he lives up to his reputation and leaves with the job unfinished...

Ralph Cindrich is a little more then a brain dead south Florida journalist. I don't even read the Florida papers I am from NY so Miami coverage around these parts is a little slim. ha.

Here is some info on the man calling Saban out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Cindrich

You will never hear me call out Bill Parcels, I never called out Dave Wannstedt (even though I think Saban is a better coach then stash), Cam Cameron got a raw deal as well (I am not sure he has what it takes to be a HC in the NFL) dealing with the mess so many left behind.

BP will own up when he makes a mistake, every place he has ever left is better because he was there and in good running shape when he departed. If Saban had handled the situation better when he departed then I would have some respect for the man but it is the same ol' story time and time again with Saban, run to the next best thing and who cares what state I leave the prior team in.

NY8123
07-26-2010, 03:27 PM
BTW... Bobby Bowden is a Birmingham native and was raised on Alabama football.. he grew up a Bama fan as a kid and even played quarterback at Bama before transferring... He always said he wanted to come back home and watch Alabama play football when he retired...

He's accepted a personal invitation from athletic director Mal Moore to attend the Bama/Penn St. game in early September to see his old friend and rival Papa Joe square off against Saban.... easy to figure out who he'll be pulling for...

I know where Booby boy is from, WTF does that have to do with this debate? I never said everyone from Bama was a douche just Saban for commenting on something he had no business commenting on.

It be like me lecturing an AA class and then going home and knockin' the bottom out of a 30 pack of beer. Just doesn't make any sense.

TedSlimmJr
07-26-2010, 04:08 PM
Ralph Cindrich is a little more then a brain dead south Florida journalist. I don't even read the Florida papers I am from NY so Miami coverage around these parts is a little slim. ha.

Here is some info on the man calling Saban out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Cindrich

You will never hear me call out Bill Parcels, I never called out Dave Wannstedt (even though I think Saban is a better coach then stash), Cam Cameron got a raw deal as well (I am not sure he has what it takes to be a HC in the NFL) dealing with the mess so many left behind.

BP will own up when he makes a mistake, every place he has ever left is better because he was there and in good running shape when he departed. If Saban had handled the situation better when he departed then I would have some respect for the man but it is the same ol' story time and time again with Saban, run to the next best thing and who cares what state I leave the prior team in.


Saban left Miami in the same state they were in when he got there....in the hands of a clueless owner and all of his talking suits.. Except with a more talented roster...

Bill Parcells has never owned up to any mistakes... elaborate.. be specific... Did he own up to Arthur Blank when he left him standing at the alter to come be Miami's VP of Football Operations? Also, when Parcells leaves one team for the other, he always takes his coaches and players with him... that's not neccessarily leaving them better off...



All these "character facts" that you've based your hate on Saban from had nothing to do with Cindrich.... so obviously you've gotten them from somewhere... which is from unscrupulous south Florida journalists...

Cindrich hasn't thrown the first "fact" out there yet... only unfounded accusations... you do realize the difference don't you? Like I said, it's the stuck pig that squeals.... just ask Drew Rosenhaus, Tom Condon, Leigh Steinberg, etc...

TedSlimmJr
07-26-2010, 04:11 PM
I know where Booby boy is from, WTF does that have to do with this debate? I never said everyone from Bama was a douche just Saban for commenting on something he had no business commenting on.

It be like me lecturing an AA class and then going home and knockin' the bottom out of a 30 pack of beer. Just doesn't make any sense.



Wrong.. it's apples and oranges. Saban is guilty of nothing illegal.... nor breaking any laws, nor trying to get rich quick by breaking rules, laws, or off the backs of someone elses hard work....

Saban only gets out of his profession what he puts in it..... Rogue agents are the lowest form of pond sucking scum... the only thing worst than them is the current system that is in place which allows them to get away with it...