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FinAtic8480
08-03-2010, 03:30 AM
look for the Dolphins to be a sleeper team that nobody's picking. Miami is such a team. Two years ago, people took notice. Last year they had a brutal schedule and a not-ready-for-big-time QB. The O-line caused a minor setback.

Garth in Albuquerque, N.M.

A: You may hit on that one. I have them as about an eight- or nine-win team, but I have them third in the division. By ranking them third in the AFC East, though, I'm not saying the Dolphins aren't a playoff contender. In my opinion, the AFC East is the toughest division in the AFC this season because of the improvement of the Jets over the past two seasons and the presence of the Patriots. I do have concerns about some of the recent problems along Miami's defensive line -- the loss of Phillip Merling for the season and the retirement of Jason Ferguson. I also wonder if the Dolphins can generate many sacks with Cameron Wake, Charlie Anderson and Koa Misi.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp10/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=5429845

PhinsPhan11
08-03-2010, 03:49 AM
I agree with most of what he said. The only thing I disagree with is how he isn't confident in the linebackers. I think they will provide good pressure this season.

flynryan15
08-03-2010, 06:21 AM
Yawn! I would fall out off my chair if anyone associated with ESPN was ever high on the Dolphins! My only concern on defense is FA our front 7 will dominate and create a ton of pressure! 2 words Clayton " Mike Nolan"

Mcganiel
08-03-2010, 08:32 AM
I think he is spot on. He also didn't bring up how bad our secondary play was last year. I know we have Nolan but we will be going through a huge learning curve this year. New system, new players and a new coach really stack the odds against us. But one thing is for sure we are going in the right direction.

flynryan15
08-03-2010, 09:19 AM
Really didn't the Saints have Greg Williams for only one year? He turned a bunch of cast offs and misfits on defense into Superbowl Camps. Sharper, Greer, Gay, Vilma etc we nothing special but played great under Williams.

In one year Nolan took Denver from 26th to 7th on defense and 3rd against the pass. He has plenty of tools to match or better that.

On offense we already have a top 5 running game, which just got better with Marshall drawing double teams. Passing attack hot better, Hence swept the Jets, and should have swept the Pats if Finn wasn't such a ***** across the middle he would still be running.

I don't care what the Crip Keeper says we are the front runners of our division we got better and younger. The Jets and Pats got older and weaker! 8-8 is a failure!

SebasMiamiFan
08-03-2010, 09:22 AM
Boring..... same old the Jets and Patriots are better, Miami stands no chance, ect. that you hear from ESPN.

nyjunc
08-03-2010, 09:40 AM
Really didn't the Saints have Greg Williams for only one year? He turned a bunch of cast offs and misfits on defense into Superbowl Camps. Sharper, Greer, Gay, Vilma etc we nothing special but played great under Williams.

In one year Nolan took Denver from 26th to 7th on defense and 3rd against the pass. He has plenty of tools to match or better that.

On offense we already have a top 5 running game, which just got better with Marshall drawing double teams. Passing attack hot better, Hence swept the Jets, and should have swept the Pats if Finn wasn't such a ***** across the middle he would still be running.

I don't care what the Crip Keeper says we are the front runners of our division we got better and younger. The Jets and Pats got older and weaker! 8-8 is a failure!

How did we get older and weaker? B/c we signed 2 part time players to low salaries?

Greg Williams is a better DC than Mike Nolan, the two aren't close.

You should have swept the Pats but you also shouldn't have swept us. You needed 3 non offensive TDs to beat us the 2nd time and in the 1st game you scored a last second TD. NE beat you by double digits.

Chubby
08-03-2010, 09:46 AM
How did we get older and weaker? B/c we signed 2 part time players to low salaries?

Greg Williams is a better DC than Mike Nolan, the two aren't close.

You should have swept the Pats but you also shouldn't have swept us. You needed 3 non offensive TDs to beat us the 2nd time and in the 1st game you scored a last second TD. NE beat you by double digits.
Didn't you need like a ton of fake punts to even stay close to us in the game?

flynryan15
08-03-2010, 09:48 AM
How did we get older and weaker? B/c we signed 2 part time players to low salaries?

Greg Williams is a better DC than Mike Nolan, the two aren't close.

You should have swept the Pats but you also shouldn't have swept us. You needed 3 non offensive TDs to beat us the 2nd time and in the 1st game you scored a last second TD. NE beat you by double digits.

Not even close on Williams over Nolan.

Losing Jones and Washington will hurt you on the field and in the locker room.

LT is a shell of his former self.

Not to mention the Revis drama.

Trading Kerry Rhodes and only replacing him with concussion phone Pool.

Get over how we scored! Fact is we scored more then you did. You had 11 men on the field and so did we. We scored period end of story! 3 aspects to a football game offense, defense, and special teams. This is as bad of argument as this who claim you backed into the playoffs.

j-off-her-doll
08-03-2010, 09:53 AM
I like G. Williams, but saying he's better than Nolan and it's not even close . . . just game me dumb chills.

SebasMiamiFan
08-03-2010, 09:56 AM
How did we get older and weaker? B/c we signed 2 part time players to low salaries?

Greg Williams is a better DC than Mike Nolan, the two aren't close.

You should have swept the Pats but you also shouldn't have swept us. You needed 3 non offensive TDs to beat us the 2nd time and in the 1st game you scored a last second TD. NE beat you by double digits.

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2010/08/th_rkellywtfio8-1.gif (http://s276.photobucket.com/albums/kk39/douganlaw/?action=view&current=rkellywtfio8.gif)

josekareh
08-03-2010, 10:01 AM
Don't argue with NYJUNC, let him speak, being a fan of the Jests and having almost 15,000 posts in a Miami Dolphins forum, what do you expect, smart comments? enough said!!!

nyjunc
08-03-2010, 10:07 AM
Didn't you need like a ton of fake punts to even stay close to us in the game?

No, we didn't need them. They both happened in the first half.


Not even close on Williams over Nolan.

Losing Jones and Washington will hurt you on the field and in the locker room.

LT is a shell of his former self.

Not to mention the Revis drama.

Trading Kerry Rhodes and only replacing him with concussion phone Pool.

Get over how we scored! Fact is we scored more then you did. You had 11 men on the field and so did we. We scored period end of story! 3 aspects to a football game offense, defense, and special teams. This is as bad of argument as this who claim you backed into the playoffs.

I'm not sure what DC you guys think you are getting but Mike Nolan has never been an elite DC. He's a GOOD DC but he's not Gregg Williams. The man has been a part of just 2 playoff wins as a DC, Gregg was the DC on a Ten team that made the SB, he was Dc in DC for their only playoff win in the 00s and he has now won a SB as a DC.

Jones averaged 3.6 YPC in 2007 before we made the OL changes, expect a more efficient LT.

We'll miss Leon but we made a run to the title game w/o him last year remember.

I'm just pointing out facts about 3 non offensive TDs, that doesn't happen often and I'll get over it as soon as you get over your meaningless sweep of us as it didn't help you get to postseason or hurt us from getting to the title game.


I like G. Williams, but saying he's better than Nolan and it's not even close . . . just game me dumb chills.

You guys realize you got Mike Nolan, right?

ronnieb_23
08-03-2010, 10:14 AM
Didn't the Bengals and Colts bench players in the final two games of the season?

XxfeensterxX
08-03-2010, 10:23 AM
Sadly if it were the other way arund NyJunc would be telling us how scoring is scoring it doesnt matter how it happens.

nyjunc
08-03-2010, 10:26 AM
Didn't the Bengals and Colts bench players in the final two games of the season?

The Colts rested startes for a qtr and a half in a 15-10 game, the Bengals pulled their starters at halftime trailing 27-0.

13mademeafan
08-03-2010, 11:30 AM
All I see in nyjunc's post are blah blah blah blah blah, we got swept, blah blah blah

Dmarino110
08-03-2010, 11:48 AM
realize that henne did not sweep the jets last year, Ginn won that 2nd game...

TPD1479
08-03-2010, 12:17 PM
How did we get older and weaker? B/c we signed 2 part time players to low salaries?

Greg Williams is a better DC than Mike Nolan, the two aren't close.

You should have swept the Pats but you also shouldn't have swept us. You needed 3 non offensive TDs to beat us the 2nd time and in the 1st game you scored a last second TD. NE beat you by double digits.


You know what makes me laugh about the comment we needed 3 non offensive TD's to beat you, well if your offense didn't cough up the ball and your special teams could play a lick we wouldn't have scored 3 non offensive TD's, and yes, BEAT you twice.. And let me throw in living here in NY I had to listen to how Revis wasen't beaten deep once all year. Well I seem to remember that underachieving bust of a first round pick Ted Ginn run right past Revis for a 50+ yd TD...
Only time will tell whats going to happen but nothing makes me happier then all the JET super bowl or bust talk, watching the end result will be that much sweeter...

nyjunc
08-03-2010, 01:52 PM
You know what makes me laugh about the comment we needed 3 non offensive TD's to beat you, well if your offense didn't cough up the ball and your special teams could play a lick we wouldn't have scored 3 non offensive TD's, and yes, BEAT you twice.. And let me throw in living here in NY I had to listen to how Revis wasen't beaten deep once all year. Well I seem to remember that underachieving bust of a first round pick Ted Ginn run right past Revis for a 50+ yd TD...
Only time will tell whats going to happen but nothing makes me happier then all the JET super bowl or bust talk, watching the end result will be that much sweeter...

I never said you didn't deserve to win, I pointed out the fact that you needed 3 non offensive TDs and you still barely beat us. That won't happen again for a long time.

Congrats for sweeping us, I know it means everything to you guys but you can sweep us every year if we are playing in the AFC Championship Game every year.

Revis wasn't on Ginn in man coverage.

thefranchisedef
08-03-2010, 03:10 PM
um.. nyjunc, I seem to remember miami having more success throwing againt your team than anyother team (except the colts).

Two of Henne's better games came against your team.

Where were you last year when everyone was calling Nolan a genius?

hooshoops
08-03-2010, 03:12 PM
i'd say that john clayton like a lot of these talking heads hasn't watched a lot of cam wake tape...

X-Pacolypse
08-03-2010, 03:14 PM
The master of spin is at it again. First it's "Brandon Marshall is just a possession receiver" and now "Gregg Williams is a better DC than Mike Nolan." Give me a break.

nyjunc
08-03-2010, 03:18 PM
um.. nyjunc, I seem to remember miami having more success throwing againt your team than anyother team (except the colts).

Two of Henne's better games came against your team.

Where were you last year when everyone was calling Nolan a genius?

Henne had one good game against us- the Monday Nighter. In the 2nd game he was awful and we shut him and your O down.


Who was calling Nolan a genius? for what? having a good first month or so and collapsing down the stretch? He's a GOOD DC, you guys are acting like you got Belichick or Buddy Ryan as your DC.


The master of spin is at it again. First it's "Brandon Marshall is just a possession receiver" and now "Gregg Williams is a better DC than Mike Nolan." Give me a break.

If you can't handle the truith that is your problem. Marshall is a really good player, he's not Jerry Rice like you think. Nolan is a GOOD DC, he's not Belichick like you think.

thefranchisedef
08-03-2010, 03:24 PM
nyjunc is so biased. lets know how you really feel... are you scared cromartie is gonna suck still? are you worried about brandon pool getting 3 more concussions? how long will jenkins knees hold up? wheres the depth on you d-line? Is jason Taylor washed up? Is Mcknight still puking? can L.T. run for a 20 yard gain? has Sanchez gotten any better? has shonn green solved that fumbling problem? is revis gonna play? wheres the depth? why have we only drafted 6 players in 2 years? is ducasse, a project, better than faneca? can santonio stay out of trouble? will we ever beat miami again?

TPD1479
08-03-2010, 03:28 PM
Henne had one good game against us- the Monday Nighter. In the 2nd game he was awful and we shut him and your O down.


Who was calling Nolan a genius? for what? having a good first month or so and collapsing down the stretch? He's a GOOD DC, you guys are acting like you got Belichick or Buddy Ryan as your DC.



If you can't handle the truith that is your problem. Marshall is a really good player, he's not Jerry Rice like you think. Nolan is a GOOD DC, he's not Belichick like you think.


Thats the misconception you didn't shut anything down, the offense was hardly on the field cause the defense and special teams kept scoring...And obviously your offense didn't do much if you couldn't out score our punt returner.
And by the way Revis was ABSOLUTELY on GINN..I have the game tivo'd

TPD1479
08-03-2010, 03:30 PM
nyjunc is so biased. lets know how you really feel... are you scared cromartie is gonna suck still? are you worried about brandon pool getting 3 more concussions? how long will jenkins knees hold up? wheres the depth on you d-line? Is jason Taylor washed up? Is Mcknight still puking? can L.T. run for a 20 yard gain? has Sanchez gotten any better? has shonn green solved that fumbling problem? is revis gonna play? wheres the depth? why have we only drafted 6 players in 2 years? is ducasse, a project, better than faneca? can santonio stay out of trouble? will we ever beat miami again?

Nice post by the way..Bottom line is jets were 7-7 and backed in the playoffs because 2 teams layed down for them... Let them keep telling the world how great they are...

thefranchisedef
08-03-2010, 03:34 PM
Henne had one good game against us- the Monday Nighter. In the 2nd game he was awful and we shut him and your O down..

Henne didnt play bad in the second game, he just didnt have to come on the field because our special teams and defense was scoring.


Who was calling Nolan a genius? for what? having a good first month or so and collapsing down the stretch? He's a GOOD DC, you guys are acting like you got Belichick or Buddy Ryan as your DC.



If you can't handle the truth that is your problem. Marshall is a really good player, he's not Jerry Rice like you think. Nolan is a GOOD DC, he's not Belichick like you think.

Brandon marshall may be a possession reciever but, hes the best after the catch at getting extra yards. he's faster than jerry rice, and bigger than jerry rice.. we can talk about measurements all day. the problem is brandon marshall is the best reciever in the division. He can catch anything thrown near him.. He has 3 seasons of 100 catches in a row and he only played 16 games in one of those seasons. He's in his prime. you dont think he will be better this season? he missed 2 games last season and still had 100 catches. he owns the 2 most catches in a games of all time. dont act like we have a chump? you're scared of him...

we had a better offseason than you. we added key pieces that made us better. you just filled old spots, that had good overrated players, with more overrated players. name a better acquisition than dansby and marshall? you cant!

flynryan15
08-03-2010, 03:42 PM
Henne had one good game against us- the Monday Nighter. In the 2nd game he was awful and we shut him and your O down.


Who was calling Nolan a genius? for what? having a good first month or so and collapsing down the stretch? He's a GOOD DC, you guys are acting like you got Belichick or Buddy Ryan as your DC.



If you can't handle the truith that is your problem. Marshall is a really good player, he's not Jerry Rice like you think. Nolan is a GOOD DC, he's not Belichick like you think.

Mmmmm isn't Marshall the only player in NFL history to have 3 straight 100 rec seasons? Even the great Rice never accomplished that.

Touched you guys have Rex Ryan not George Walsh yet you make him out to be NFL Jesus.

No one will remember your historic run to the AFC Championship game in 2009, hell you don't even get to hang a banner for that or a hat and no you won't play for it again. You team is like your fans loud and built for the media. I look forward to putting you to bed early in the season and watch you emplode!

nyjunc
08-03-2010, 04:07 PM
nyjunc is so biased. lets know how you really feel... are you scared cromartie is gonna suck still? are you worried about brandon pool getting 3 more concussions? how long will jenkins knees hold up? wheres the depth on you d-line? Is jason Taylor washed up? Is Mcknight still puking? can L.T. run for a 20 yard gain? has Sanchez gotten any better? has shonn green solved that fumbling problem? is revis gonna play? wheres the depth? why have we only drafted 6 players in 2 years? is ducasse, a project, better than faneca? can santonio stay out of trouble? will we ever beat miami again?

Yes I am biased:lol:

Cromartie should be muc better in a manto man system
I don't know who Brandon Pool is
I don't know about Jenkins
We lost jenkins last year and made the title game so obviously we have depth.
Taylor is washed up as an everydown player but he can still be a pass rush specialist
Who knows about McKnight?
Don't need LT top break 20 yd gains but I expect he'll average around 4 YPC
Sanchez improved immensely in postseason, I expect him to pick up where he left off
I don't about Greene, immense talent but needs to be durable and hold onto the football
yes Revis will play
we have depth pretty much everywhere
I'd rather draft few players that hit than the Parcells philosophy of drafting a million guys and only a few stick.
Ducasse and Slausen have alot to prove, we'll see.
I think Santonio can stay out of trouble but we'll see.
of course we will beat Miami again.

Any more questions?


I have some for you-

Can Sparano ever win a playoff game? Can henne ever win a big game? has henne progressed where he is a reliable QB? Can Ronnie stay healthy? will Ricky wear down again? Can Marshall be anything more than a great possession WR? how will the 2 new starters on the OL fare? Can Mike Nolan be as good of a DC as you guys think he is? Will the 2 young corners take a huge leap forward and become good players this year? will you get better safety play? how will NT work out? How many more guys will get arrested? Will Parcells win only his 2nd playoff game ever in years he picks players? will you ever win a playoff game again?


Thats the misconception you didn't shut anything down, the offense was hardly on the field cause the defense and special teams kept scoring...And obviously your offense didn't do much if you couldn't out score our punt returner.
And by the way Revis was ABSOLUTELY on GINN..I have the game tivo'd

The O was on the field for almost 26 mins, that was plenty of time to score more than 9 pts.

Miami's O scored .35 Points per minute, the Jets O scored .74 points per minute that game.


Nice post by the way..Bottom line is jets were 7-7 and backed in the playoffs because 2 teams layed down for them... Let them keep telling the world how great they are...

Actually the bottom line is the Jets made the playoffs then won 2 road playoff games and had a lead in the 2nd half of the AFC Championship game while Miami finished 7-9 and out of the playoffs.


Henne didnt play bad in the second game, he just didnt have to come on the field because our special teams and defense was scoring.



Brandon marshall may be a possession reciever but, hes the best after the catch at getting extra yards. he's faster than jerry rice, and bigger than jerry rice.. we can talk about measurements all day. the problem is brandon marshall is the best reciever in the division. He can catch anything thrown near him.. He has 3 seasons of 100 catches in a row and he only played 16 games in one of those seasons. He's in his prime. you dont think he will be better this season? he missed 2 games last season and still had 100 catches. he owns the 2 most catches in a games of all time. dont act like we have a chump? you're scared of him...

we had a better offseason than you. we added key pieces that made us better. you just filled old spots, that had good overrated players, with more overrated players. name a better acquisition than dansby and marshall? you cant!

They had almost 26 mins of offense to work w/ and if not for a blown call they would have scored 3 pts for the entire game. Henn and the Miami O were shut down.


If Marshall is so great w/ Yards after the catch why does he only average 12 yds per rec for his career?

Please do not EVER compare Marshall to Jerry Rice.

Why would I be scared of Marshall when we have revis who shut down better WRs than Marshall?


I think it remains to be seen who had a better offseason, you did have more holes to fill and you weren't hamstrung by the final 4 rules.

Yes, we acquired nothing but old guys like Antonio Cromartie, Brodney Pool and Santonio Holmes:rolleyes2:

nyjunc
08-03-2010, 04:09 PM
Mmmmm isn't Marshall the only player in NFL history to have 3 straight 100 rec seasons? Even the great Rice never accomplished that.

Touched you guys have Rex Ryan not George Walsh yet you make him out to be NFL Jesus.

No one will remember your historic run to the AFC Championship game in 2009, hell you don't even get to hang a banner for that or a hat and no you won't play for it again. You team is like your fans loud and built for the media. I look forward to putting you to bed early in the season and watch you emplode!

I'm not sure if he is the only player to catch 100 balls 3 straight years, that doesn't make him anywhere near as good as Rice b/c he was not.

Who is George Walsh?

No one will remember our run to the title game but they will remember your meaningless sweep?

72champagne
08-03-2010, 04:14 PM
How did we get older and weaker? B/c we signed 2 part time players to low salaries?

Greg Williams is a better DC than Mike Nolan, the two aren't close.

You should have swept the Pats but you also shouldn't have swept us. You needed 3 non offensive TDs to beat us the 2nd time and in the 1st game you scored a last second TD. NE beat you by double digits.jets don't like the broom up your ***? are you guys mad, brah?

nyjunc
08-03-2010, 04:31 PM
jets don't like the broom up your ***? are you guys mad, brah?

Yes we were very angry to reach the title game, man how I wish we could have gone 7-9 and missed the playoffs.

TPD1479
08-03-2010, 04:44 PM
Its all talk and water under he bridge. We can debate all day on playoffs, division titles, who's better then who but the bottom line is the season is almost here and time for some relevant talk will be upon us.. now why don't you go back to your JEST forum and tell the other Jest fans how good your defense is and how you already won the super bowl. Come back during the season to talk smack or eat crow..

tay0365
08-03-2010, 04:48 PM
realize that henne did not sweep the jets last year, Ginn won that 2nd game...

Henne doesn't pull off that 4th quarter final drive, Miami does not win the 2nd game.

tay0365
08-03-2010, 04:55 PM
Who was calling Nolan a genius? for what? having a good first month or so and collapsing down the stretch? He's a GOOD DC, you guys are acting like you got Belichick or Buddy Ryan as your DC.


You do realize that Nolan's Defense was changed by McDaniels, after the Broncos failed to have enough pressure for 1 game.

nyjunc
08-03-2010, 05:01 PM
You do realize that Nolan's Defense was changed by McDaniels, after the Broncos failed to have enough pressure for 1 game.

Is that the excuse?

tay0365
08-03-2010, 05:05 PM
Is that the excuse?

No, that's the fact Jack.

Ricky'sWeinerBong
08-03-2010, 07:04 PM
The master of spin is at it again. First it's "Brandon Marshall is just a possession receiver" and now "Gregg Williams is a better DC than Mike Nolan." Give me a break.
really? i find alot of his posts more informed and much more logical and unbiased than alot of posters here. ppl are pumping Nolan up way more than they should IMO. defintely an upgrade over what we had, but remains to be seen how things play out.

rev kev
08-03-2010, 07:17 PM
how did we get older and weaker? B/c we signed 2 part time players to low salaries?

Greg williams is a better dc than mike nolan, the two aren't close.

You should have swept the pats but you also shouldn't have swept us. You needed 3 non offensive tds to beat us the 2nd time and in the 1st game you scored a last second td. Ne beat you by double digits.

LT PT or not came to NY to start

juice1348
08-03-2010, 08:46 PM
I never said you didn't deserve to win, I pointed out the fact that you needed 3 non offensive TDs and you still barely beat us. That won't happen again for a long time.

Congrats for sweeping us, I know it means everything to you guys but you can sweep us every year if we are playing in the AFC Championship Game every year.

Revis wasn't on Ginn in man coverage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=MyPtJF-IgPc

Revis is lined up on Ginn...Ginn runs right past him....its truly that simple.

prim3time
08-03-2010, 09:30 PM
really? i find alot of his posts more informed and much more logical and unbiased than alot of posters here. ppl are pumping Nolan up way more than they should IMO. defintely an upgrade over what we had, but remains to be seen how things play out.

Get off his nut's already

ted ginn burned Derrelle " HOLD OUT " revis
MyPtJF-IgPc

there's my logic^

jlfin
08-03-2010, 10:39 PM
How did we get older and weaker? B/c we signed 2 part time players to low salaries?

Greg Williams is a better DC than Mike Nolan, the two aren't close.

You should have swept the Pats but you also shouldn't have swept us. You needed 3 non offensive TDs to beat us the 2nd time and in the 1st game you scored a last second TD. NE beat you by double digits.


I'm so sick of that argument from Jets fans. In the 1st meeting your defense was manhhandled. Your entire team was outplayed and you needed 2 fake punts and 2 VERY questionable PI calls to make the game close. The score was in no way indicative of the way the Jets were dominated.
In the second game you Jets fans like to point to the stat sheet, but you fail to recognize that coaches alter their strategies based on the score. There was no reason for the Phins to take risks on offense or open up the playbook in the 2nd half because they were on the road and playing with the lead. Its true the Jets did dominate the lines of scrimmage, but there are 3 phases to a game.
The Phins defense scored a TD after Paul Soliai tossed your pro bowl C (Mangold) aside like a ragdoll and hit your RB in the backfield. That was not a fluke, it was a big play. You also give no credit for the Phins special teams. It was your ST's that gave up back to back KO returns yet you give NO credit to the Phins ST's. You supposedly have one of the best ST's coaches in the game (he used to coach the Phins)

16phinsrfast
08-03-2010, 11:09 PM
Yes I am biased:lol:

Cromartie should be muc better in a manto man system
I don't know who Brandon Pool is
I don't know about Jenkins
We lost jenkins last year and made the title game so obviously we have depth.
Taylor is washed up as an everydown player but he can still be a pass rush specialist
Who knows about McKnight?
Don't need LT top break 20 yd gains but I expect he'll average around 4 YPC
Sanchez improved immensely in postseason, I expect him to pick up where he left off
I don't about Greene, immense talent but needs to be durable and hold onto the football
yes Revis will play
we have depth pretty much everywhere
I'd rather draft few players that hit than the Parcells philosophy of drafting a million guys and only a few stick.
Ducasse and Slausen have alot to prove, we'll see.
I think Santonio can stay out of trouble but we'll see.
of course we will beat Miami again.

Any more questions?


I have some for you-

Can Sparano ever win a playoff game? Can henne ever win a big game? has henne progressed where he is a reliable QB? Can Ronnie stay healthy? will Ricky wear down again? Can Marshall be anything more than a great possession WR? how will the 2 new starters on the OL fare? Can Mike Nolan be as good of a DC as you guys think he is? Will the 2 young corners take a huge leap forward and become good players this year? will you get better safety play? how will NT work out? How many more guys will get arrested? Will Parcells win only his 2nd playoff game ever in years he picks players? will you ever win a playoff game again?



The O was on the field for almost 26 mins, that was plenty of time to score more than 9 pts.

Miami's O scored .35 Points per minute, the Jets O scored .74 points per minute that game.



Actually the bottom line is the Jets made the playoffs then won 2 road playoff games and had a lead in the 2nd half of the AFC Championship game while Miami finished 7-9 and out of the playoffs.



They had almost 26 mins of offense to work w/ and if not for a blown call they would have scored 3 pts for the entire game. Henn and the Miami O were shut down.


If Marshall is so great w/ Yards after the catch why does he only average 12 yds per rec for his career?

Please do not EVER compare Marshall to Jerry Rice.

Why would I be scared of Marshall when we have revis who shut down better WRs than Marshall?


I think it remains to be seen who had a better offseason, you did have more holes to fill and you weren't hamstrung by the final 4 rules.

Yes, we acquired nothing but old guys like Antonio Cromartie, Brodney Pool and Santonio Holmes:rolleyes2:

Yes I believe the ducks are lined up.
Henne beat you guys on Monday night to end losing streak.
Week 1 will determine the next three q's.
Isnt a WR supposed to possess a ball? ;)
Mike Nolan is more of an expierenced coach than we've ever had at DC.
Having Marshall will definitely help our young corners.
All in good time will your questions be anwsered.

I do agree that comparing Rice with Marshall is silly. Different Eras.
Also if its 10 yards for a first and hes averaging 12ypc, then its another Miami Dolphins first down!!
Latest polls has Marshall top 4, until I see Andre, Fitz, and Marsh shut down by Revis (if he plays) than ill give you that. Revis has 1 of 4 of those men and im refering to Moss.

This will be a great year for both our teams and look forward to the battles.

TPD1479
08-03-2010, 11:12 PM
Get off his nut's already

ted ginn burned Derrelle " HOLD OUT " revis
MyPtJF-IgPc

there's my logic^

LOOKS LIKE MAN COVERAGE TO ME nyjunc...LOL

nyjunc
08-04-2010, 08:34 AM
Henne doesn't pull off that 4th quarter final drive, Miami does not win the 2nd game.

If they called that fumble a fumble you don't score there. He led your O to 9 pts and that 4th qtr drive was early, he and his O had a chance to end the game w/ a first down late and couldn't do it. When your STs and D score 21 pts it makes life much easier on a QB.


No, that's the fact Jack.

No a fact is Nolan led D's have won exactly 2 playoff games TOTAL(both wild card games). That's a fact.


LT PT or not came to NY to start

I hope he has worked all offseason to start b/c that's the type of competitor we want. we don't want lebron james types that like playing second fiddle but that doesn't mean LT will be starting b/c unless Greene gets hurt he won't be.


http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=MyPtJF-IgPc

Revis is lined up on Ginn...Ginn runs right past him....its truly that simple.

So you know what copverage they were playing? you know the safety wasn't supposed to pick him up at any point? from all I have read he was supposed to have deep help in that coverage but let's say Ginn beat him- that's one fluke play all year. I can live w/ that.


I'm so sick of that argument from Jets fans. In the 1st meeting your defense was manhhandled. Your entire team was outplayed and you needed 2 fake punts and 2 VERY questionable PI calls to make the game close. The score was in no way indicative of the way the Jets were dominated.
In the second game you Jets fans like to point to the stat sheet, but you fail to recognize that coaches alter their strategies based on the score. There was no reason for the Phins to take risks on offense or open up the playbook in the 2nd half because they were on the road and playing with the lead. Its true the Jets did dominate the lines of scrimmage, but there are 3 phases to a game.
The Phins defense scored a TD after Paul Soliai tossed your pro bowl C (Mangold) aside like a ragdoll and hit your RB in the backfield. That was not a fluke, it was a big play. You also give no credit for the Phins special teams. It was your ST's that gave up back to back KO returns yet you give NO credit to the Phins ST's. You supposedly have one of the best ST's coaches in the game (he used to coach the Phins)

Our D did get crushed that game but we didn't need 2 fake punts. They both happene dearly in the game, we could have overcome them and there was one questionable call that was a CORRECT call w/ the PI on Braylon.


You didn't score the first non offensive TD until 10 mins left in the 3rd qtr, for 35 mins of the game your O scored THREE pts. You can use the excuse about altering the gameplan but our D shut your O down all game and if not for a blown call you would have had 3 pts on O for the entire game.

You also took a 30-19 lead w/ under 9 mins left in the game. Your O got the ball back w/ under 6 to play needing a 1st down or 2 to basically end the game or make it very difficult for us to come back- you went 3 and out and gave us the ball back w/ 3 1/2 to play nearly costing you the game.

Your O was dominated that game.


Yes I believe the ducks are lined up.
Henne beat you guys on Monday night to end losing streak.
Week 1 will determine the next three q's.
Isnt a WR supposed to possess a ball? ;)
Mike Nolan is more of an expierenced coach than we've ever had at DC.
Having Marshall will definitely help our young corners.
All in good time will your questions be anwsered.

I do agree that comparing Rice with Marshall is silly. Different Eras.
Also if its 10 yards for a first and hes averaging 12ypc, then its another Miami Dolphins first down!!
Latest polls has Marshall top 4, until I see Andre, Fitz, and Marsh shut down by Revis (if he plays) than ill give you that. Revis has 1 of 4 of those men and im refering to Moss.

This will be a great year for both our teams and look forward to the battles.

The ducks are lined up but he has NEVER been a part of a playoff win whether as HC or an assistant.
That Mon Night game wasn't a true big game like a late season or playoff game is and you won the wek before so what losing streak did he break?


Every WR averages over 10 yards per rec, 12 yards is ok but nothing special.

Revis hled Andre Johnson(arguably the best along w/ Fitz) to 4 recs for 35 yds.


I agree w/ your last sentence. Putting allt he fun trash talk aside we both have teams capable of doing some great things this year. The rivalry should be incredible the next few years.

SA_BUTTA
08-04-2010, 08:51 AM
LT is not the workhorse he use to be and Shonn Greene is no Thomas Jones...
You may have a decent running game with both of them, but it was much better with Jones and
Washington...BTW LT only had 20 rec. last season on a team that likes to throw the ball...

nyjunc
08-04-2010, 09:09 AM
LT is not the workhorse he use to be and Shonn Greene is no Thomas Jones...
You may have a decent running game with both of them, but it was much better with Jones and
Washington...BTW LT only had 20 rec. last season on a team that likes to throw the ball...

We don't need LT to be a workhorse and Greene was our best RB when it mattered last year by far.

We will not have the amount of rushing yards we had last year but we wil also not be running as much, I expect it to be as efficient as it was last year though.

Those 20 recs for LT(in 14 games) were 10 more than Jones and Greene combined

malzj
08-04-2010, 09:21 AM
nyjunc talks about our three non-offensive tds but conveniently forgets the Colts laid down for them. If they don't, the Jets don't make the playoffs. That's why the NFL fixed it this year by making the last game a divisional game.

he also forgets how the Chargers gave them a playoff game by missing three or so fgs from a guy who is usually pretty good.

We'll see what happens when we play. So, I'll save the rest of the trash talk till then.

nyjunc
08-04-2010, 09:29 AM
nyjunc talks about our three non-offensive tds but conveniently forgets the Colts laid down for them. If they don't, the Jets don't make the playoffs. That's why the NFL fixed it this year by making the last game a divisional game.

he also forgets how the Chargers gave them a playoff game by missing three or so fgs from a guy who is usually pretty good.

We'll see what happens when we play. So, I'll save the rest of the trash talk till then.


yes, everyone gave us everything but the funny thing is w/ 3 weeks left you guys controlled your playoff fate and you choked. Stop whining, we got a break and took advantage just like you guys did in 2008- except we actually did something in postseason w/ our break.

malzj
08-04-2010, 10:27 AM
yes, everyone gave us everything but the funny thing is w/ 3 weeks left you guys controlled your playoff fate and you choked. Stop whining, we got a break and took advantage just like you guys did in 2008- except we actually did something in postseason w/ our break.

The division was ours for the taking last year and we did choke. We and even New England basically handed you guys the division.

The difference is in 2008 we actually beat teams that were in front of us to earn the division, like when we beat you guys the last game to seal it.

Last year, we had a total meltdown and I was disgusted.

Your team never beat a team who played their best game heading into the playoffs or in the playoffs. Your your team is crowning yourselfs as supebowl contenders/champs.

At least come on here and say "we were lucky to get into the playoffs, but at least we got there, we have a lot of work to do, with hard work,a little luck, and we will be contenders this season." I can at least respect that. But don't come on our boards and say your team is better than ours when our head to head record from last season says other wise.

You don't see me on here saying we are going to win it all. We have a lot of work to do and hopefully we don't get hit by the injury bug. But I do believe we have a shot, that's why the games are played.

Who's team is better this year is yet to be determined, but I guess we have nothing better to do but debate till the games are played.

nyjunc
08-04-2010, 10:40 AM
The division was ours for the taking last year and we did choke. We and even New England basically handed you guys the division.

The difference is in 2008 we actually beat teams that were in front of us to earn the division, like when we beat you guys the last game to seal it.

Last year, we had a total meltdown and I was disgusted.

Your team never beat a team who played their best game heading into the playoffs or in the playoffs. Your your team is crowning yourselfs as supebowl contenders/champs.

At least come on here and say "we were lucky to get into the playoffs, but at least we got there, we have a lot of work to do, with hard work,a little luck, and we will be contenders this season." I can at least respect that. But don't come on our boards and say your team is better than ours when our head to head record from last season says other wise.

You don't see me on here saying we are going to win it all. We have a lot of work to do and hopefully we don't get hit by the injury bug. But I do believe we have a shot, that's why the games are played.

Who's team is better this year is yet to be determined, but I guess we have nothing better to do but debate till the games are played.

We didn't win the division so NE didn't hand us anything. You guys choking did help us get the WC just like our choke in '08 led to your div title.

We weren't in front of you and our team was dead in week 17.

So Cincy and Sd were not trying to win in the playoffs? SD only had the longest win streak in the leaue but obviously they were playing poorly:rolleyes2:

The excuses crack me up:lol:



We weren't lucky, we caught a break and took advantage. We were losing by just 5 pts when Manning and company left the game, we were beating Cincy 27-0 when they took out Palmer and co then we beat up Cincy on the road in postseason and beat SD on the road.


Do you see me saying we are going to win it all? where are these posts? please show me.


I have said over and over we both have good teams on paper, that doesn't mean we'll be good or bad but we should be good and it should be a fun season for both of our teams.

godolphins1985
08-04-2010, 10:45 AM
Bottom line is this. The Jets got handed a playoff spot. The Jets took advantage of it by beating a overrated Bengals team and smacked a pretty good SD team in the mouth. They were out matched by a better Colts team. THE END.

nyjunc
08-04-2010, 10:47 AM
Bottom line is this. The Jets got handed a playoff spot. The Jets took advantage of it by beating a overrated Bengals team and smacked a pretty good SD team in the mouth. They were out matched by a better Colts team. THE END.

Nothing was handed to us, we got a break and we took advantage. We still had to beat Indy's backups in the 4th qtr. In '04 Buf has the same scenario in week 17 against Pitt's backups at home and they loast, in '93 we had a similar scenario at Hosuton and we lost. You still have to take care of business and we did that.

SA_BUTTA
08-04-2010, 10:51 AM
We don't need LT to be a workhorse and Greene was our best RB when it mattered last year by far.

We will not have the amount of rushing yards we had last year but we wil also not be running as much, I expect it to be as efficient as it was last year though.

Those 20 recs for LT(in 14 games) were 10 more than Jones and Greene combined
I think you will see a slight decline in running production based on the moves, but that is just my opinion. As far as our teams on paper, I believe they are both very competitive and I see this season as a challenge for both...Although injuries are part of the game I hope we are able to play each other full strength...

godolphins1985
08-04-2010, 10:59 AM
Nothing was handed to us, we got a break and we took advantage. We still had to beat Indy's backups in the 4th qtr. In '04 Buf has the same scenario in week 17 against Pitt's backups at home and they loast, in '93 we had a similar scenario at Hosuton and we lost. You still have to take care of business and we did that.

Ok so beating up on the Colts backups is challenging? Give me a break dude, wake up! How you dont think that it was handed to you is beyond me. Yes of course you must still beat a bunch of backups using your starting offense and defense but how hard is that? You make it seem as if you had an uphill battle facing the ELITE colts backups led by ALLSTAR Curtis Painter...the damn guy posted a 9.8 RATING. If you believe the JETS wernt handed a playoff spot then thats your opinion, but the vast vast majority agrees with me.

nyjunc
08-04-2010, 11:01 AM
Ok so beating up on the Colts backups is challenging? Give me a break dude, wake up! How you dont think that it was handed to you is beyond me. Yes of course you must still beat a bunch of backups using your starting offense and defense but how hard is that? You make it seem as if you had an uphill battle faces the ELITE colts backups led by ALLSTAR Curtis Painter...the damn guy posted a 9.8 RATING. If you believe the JETS wernt handed a playoff spot then thats your opinion, but the vast vast majority agrees with me.

The Colts removed their started midway through the 3rd qtr holding a slim 5 pt lead. We played their backups for a qtr and a half. We were handed a playoff spot as much as you guys were a div title in 2008 beating a ton of dead teams down the stretch.

godolphins1985
08-04-2010, 11:16 AM
The Colts removed their started midway through the 3rd qtr holding a slim 5 pt lead. We played their backups for a qtr and a half. We were handed a playoff spot as much as you guys were a div title in 2008 beating a ton of dead teams down the stretch.
Ok so let me get this straight, you were losing when Manning and company were starting, then all of a sudden they were pulled and you win. Hmmmm...Ok pal!

And im sorry but the teams we played in 2008 were against starters, PERIOD. Yes we played some poor teams through out the season but guess what we were good enough to beat the starters on that team unlike the 2009 Jets who didnt have to play a full game against starters in 2 games againsts playoff bound teams. If those backups were so good then they would be starting on a roster some place and not sitting on the bench. While i still think you would have beaten the Bengals you would have lost to the Colts just like you did in the playoffs.

nyjunc
08-04-2010, 11:37 AM
Ok so let me get this straight, you were losing when Manning and company were starting, then all of a sudden they were pulled and you win. Hmmmm...Ok pal!

And im sorry but the teams we played in 2008 were against starters, PERIOD. Yes we played some poor teams through out the season but guess what we were good enough to beat the starters on that team unlike the 2009 Jets who didnt have to play a full game against starters in 2 games againsts playoff bound teams. If those backups were so good then they would be starting on a roster some place and not sitting on the bench. While i still think you would have beaten the Bengals you would have lost to the Colts just like you did in the playoffs.

We were losing by 5. In the div rd vs. SD we were losing by 4 at the same point and guess what? we won the game.

You played bad starters or starters that had given up on thes eason late in 2008, you had an easier road than we did which is why you got smoked in the WC game at home while we made the title game.

godolphins1985
08-04-2010, 12:08 PM
What ever im not arguing about what we did in 2008, im talking about what the Jets did in 2009. Jets top D beat up on a ****ty back up group of the Colts, whats not to be handed? I dont know what else to say, your alone in this one i think. My co worker at my sports store is HUGE Jets fan and agrees 100% with me about the Colts game, just common sense.

NYPhin24
08-04-2010, 01:02 PM
Get off his nut's already

ted ginn burned Derrelle " HOLD OUT " revis
MyPtJF-IgPc

there's my logic^

It even looked like Revis aka GOD acording to Jest fans, gave up towards the end where if he knew he was burnt at least could have went for some pass intereference or gave a little more effort, he just stopped running.

OH AND ONCE AGAIN, ANOTHER THREAD HIJACKED BY NYJUNC AND TURNED INTO A DOLPHINS VS. JETS THREAD, REAL ORGINAL, GET OFF THIS WEBSITE FOR ONE DAY

SammySmif
08-04-2010, 01:19 PM
How did we get older and weaker? B/c we signed 2 part time players to low salaries?

Greg Williams is a better DC than Mike Nolan, the two aren't close.

You should have swept the Pats but you also shouldn't have swept us. You needed 3 non offensive TDs to beat us the 2nd time and in the 1st game you scored a last second TD. NE beat you by double digits.


I hate guys who don't accept defeat. You lost to us both times. Shut up already and quit whining about it.

And Clayton was very fair in what he wrote. I seriously doubt he hates the Dolphins like people like to think.

JBinSD
08-04-2010, 01:29 PM
Sorry NY Junky -- the verdict was in all over San Diego (I live here), that LT didn't lose a step. HE LOST TWO OR THREE. Good luck with that one. I think that you have a great back in Shonn Greene, but you obviously did yourselves a disservice with LT. I can't WAIT to face that washed-up-whiner!

nyjunc
08-04-2010, 01:31 PM
What ever im not arguing about what we did in 2008, im talking about what the Jets did in 2009. Jets top D beat up on a ****ty back up group of the Colts, whats not to be handed? I dont know what else to say, your alone in this one i think. My co worker at my sports store is HUGE Jets fan and agrees 100% with me about the Colts game, just common sense.

You still have to play, did you want us to lose the game? Their starters were pulled in a tight game midway through the 3rd. We got a break and took advantage of it. That is what good teams do. I'd buy the argument more if we didn't make the run to the title game but once in postseason we won 2 road games which is incredibly difficult to do.

NYPhin24
08-04-2010, 01:38 PM
You still have to play, did you want us to lose the game? Their starters were pulled in a tight game midway through the 3rd. We got a break and took advantage of it. That is what good teams do. I'd buy the argument more if we didn't make the run to the title game but once in postseason we won 2 road games which is incredibly difficult to do.

its not as incredibly difficult as you might think when you have 6 missed field goals against you from 1 of the most accurate kickers in football and another who was pretty good as well, its also a little easier when your playing against a washed up Tomlinson who gives up and pulls himself out of every playoff, and a little easier when you have Anotonio Cromartie play hide and seek with Shonn Green and avoid all contact at all cost..........................

Wait a minute, didnt the Jets sign both of those players? hahaha

godolphins1985
08-04-2010, 01:43 PM
You still have to play, did you want us to lose the game? Their starters were pulled in a tight game midway through the 3rd. We got a break and took advantage of it. That is what good teams do. I'd buy the argument more if we didn't make the run to the title game but once in postseason we won 2 road games which is incredibly difficult to do.

Ok so you say "you still have to play"...ok so when your team plays against Backups you get to use the excuse "we still need to play the game" but us beating "bad" teams in 2008 is a gimme in winning the division? Give me a break. The FACT is the Jets were losing to the Colts, they pulled there players....YOU WIN. Your number 1 ranked Defense beat some 2nd and 3rd string players to make the playoffs. Why are you trying to make it like it was a grueling battle against top talent, there is a reason they are 2nd and 3rd stringers. I know your a Jets fan but there comes a time where common sense should set in and being a blind fan subsides. I give the Jets props for beating the Bengals and the Chargers, i refuse to give them any credit in EARNING a playoff spot.

nyjunc
08-04-2010, 01:48 PM
its not as incredibly difficult as you might think when you have 6 missed field goals against you from 1 of the most accurate kickers in football and another who was pretty good as well, its also a little easier when your playing against a washed up Tomlinson who gives up and pulls himself out of every playoff, and a little easier when you have Anotonio Cromartie play hide and seek with Shonn Green and avoid all contact at all cost..........................

Wait a minute, didnt the Jets sign both of those players? hahaha

More excuses. Do we get the excuse in the title game when our K msised 2 FGs?

We were in control in Cincy whether their kicker makes those kicks or not, Kaeding missed a 57 yarder and the strategy changes if he makes the other 2. We don't go into prevent and allow them to march down the field for their last TD that pulled them w/in 17-14.


Ok so you say "you still have to play"...ok so when your team plays against Backups you get to use the excuse "we still need to play the game" but us beating "bad" teams in 2008 is a gimme in winning the division? Give me a break. The FACT is the Jets were losing to the Colts, they pulled there players....YOU WIN. Your number 1 ranked Defense beat some 2nd and 3rd string players to make the playoffs. Why are you trying to make it like it was a grueling battle against top talent, there is a reason they are 2nd and 3rd stringers. I know your a Jets fan but there comes a time where common sense should set in and being a blind fan subsides. I give the Jets props for beating the Bengals and the Chargers, i refuse to give them any credit in EARNING a playoff spot.

I have said all along you guys did what you needed to do, you took advantage of a cupcake sched. I only bring it up when you guys start whining about our playoff run.

We have no idea how that Colt game ends if they don't pull their starters. If SD pulled their starters up 4 midway through the 3rd in the div rd you and all the other jealous dolphin fans would have said we had no shot to win but the game was played and we won.

godolphins1985
08-04-2010, 01:59 PM
Your right you have no idea how it would have ended, but i have an idea...A.)you were losing NOT WINNING. B.) You got your *** whipped in the playoffs by the same team while the starters played all the way through with a purpose.

While we did beat some really easy teams last year we didnt win games because a team decided to pull players to secure the health of there players for the playoffs. While it isnt the Jets fault for that occurrence it still happened and as a result of it you were allowed into the playoffs. I dont see how you cant see this....must be a Jets thing or maybe you just like to argue over BS.

nyjunc
08-04-2010, 02:01 PM
Your right you have no idea how it would have ended, but i have an idea...A.)you were losing NOT WINNING. B.) You got your *** whipped in the playoffs by the same team while the starters played all the way through with a purpose.

While we did beat some really easy teams last year we didnt win games because a team decided to pull players to secure the health of there players for the playoffs. While it isnt the Jets fault for that occurrence it still happened and as a result of it you were allowed into the playoffs. I dont see how you cant see this....must be a Jets thing or maybe you just like to argue over BS.

An *** whooping is losing 38-3, 62-7, 27-0. We lost 30-17 and led 17-13 in the 3rd qtr. It's ok to admit you were jealous of our run.

godolphins1985
08-04-2010, 02:08 PM
An *** whooping is losing 38-3, 62-7, 27-0. We lost 30-17 and led 17-13 in the 3rd qtr. It's ok to admit you were jealous of our run.

Whats to be jealous of? Did you win the superbowl or even go to one? NOPE. You did exactly what 30 other teams did on the superbowl, stayed home and watched from a far like the rest of the teams. Get real dude. Later i dont have time to teach you anything else for the day.

nyjunc
08-04-2010, 02:10 PM
Whats to be jealous of? Did you win the superbowl or even go to one? NOPE. You did exactly what 30 other teams did on the superbowl, stayed home and watched from a far like the rest of the teams. Get real dude. Later i dont have time to teach you anything else for the day.

We made it to the AFC Title Game, a game you haven't played in since 1992 and haven't been close to since 1994.

Wai I forgot, it's meaningless to make the title game but meaningful to sweep an opponent even though it had no bearing ont he playoff race:lol:

Keep teaching me please:lol2:

NYPhin24
08-04-2010, 02:35 PM
We made it to the AFC Title Game, a game you haven't played in since 1992 and haven't been close to since 1994.

Wai I forgot, it's meaningless to make the title game but meaningful to sweep an opponent even though it had no bearing ont he playoff race:lol:

Keep teaching me please:lol2:

NOBODY on this board cares about your hoax trip to the playoffs and AFC Championship Game, YOU DID NOT WIN THE GAME OR GO TO THE SUPERBOWL OR WIN THE SUPERBOWL, you talk about the AFC Championship as your main argument, but that beloved game you never keep quiet about, YOU DIDNT WIN...

The games we talk about the 2-0 vs. the Jets last season (the ones we only bring up because your constantly on this board bringing up that AFC Championship game you LOST, hijacking threads per usual) the Dolphins actually WON those games, so we can talk about them....keep bringing up a game your great defense choked and blew and lost

Yonk1216
08-04-2010, 02:48 PM
Catching a break and getting lucky are synonymous when you don't create the break in question.... Catching a break and making a play are synonymous when you have a hand in doing something.

Sacking a QB in the endzone who fumbles and your team recovers for a game changing TD when you're down 14 is catching a break but it's a break you earned. He could just have well held onto the ball and now you're down 12 instead of 7.

The Colts were going to rest their starters whether they were playing the Jets, Fins, Pats, or Raiders.... you guys were lucky enough to be the team that benefited from that..... I'm not denying the fact that the Jets didn't take full advantage of the opportunity.... just saying it was lucky that you were on the schedule for week 17 (and that's something you can't argue).



An *** whooping is losing 38-3, 62-7, 27-0. We lost 30-17 and led 17-13 in the 3rd qtr. It's ok to admit you were jealous of our run.

So in week 17 against the 2nd team it was no problem to come back from a 5 point deficit but in the most important game of the year against the starters a 4 point lead turned into a 13 pt loss??..... It's ok to admit that if the starters played 60 mins in week 17 the Jets most likely would have been sitting one game better than the dolphins at 8-8 on the outside looking in.

nyjunc
08-04-2010, 03:02 PM
NOBODY on this board cares about your hoax trip to the playoffs and AFC Championship Game, YOU DID NOT WIN THE GAME OR GO TO THE SUPERBOWL OR WIN THE SUPERBOWL, you talk about the AFC Championship as your main argument, but that beloved game you never keep quiet about, YOU DIDNT WIN...

The games we talk about the 2-0 vs. the Jets last season (the ones we only bring up because your constantly on this board bringing up that AFC Championship game you LOST, hijacking threads per usual) the Dolphins actually WON those games, so we can talk about them....keep bringing up a game your great defense choked and blew and lost

:lol:You guys are consumed w/ it, the jealousy rages on and i understand that since your team hasn't been close to getting that far in 15 years.

I don't hijack threads, jealous posters like yopurslef hijack them to try and downplay what the jets did.


Catching a break and getting lucky are synonymous when you don't create the break in question.... Catching a break and making a play are synonymous when you have a hand in doing something.

Sacking a QB in the endzone who fumbles and your team recovers for a game changing TD when you're down 14 is catching a break but it's a break you earned. He could just have well held onto the ball and now you're down 12 instead of 7.

The Colts were going to rest their starters whether they were playing the Jets, Fins, Pats, or Raiders.... you guys were lucky enough to be the team that benefited from that..... I'm not denying the fact that the Jets didn't take full advantage of the opportunity.... just saying it was lucky that you were on the schedule for week 17 (and that's something you can't argue).




So in week 17 against the 2nd team it was no problem to come back from a 5 point deficit but in the most important game of the year against the starters a 4 point lead turned into a 13 pt loss??..... It's ok to admit that if the starters played 60 mins in week 17 the Jets most likely would have been sitting one game better than the dolphins at 8-8 on the outside looking in.

Huh? we were down 5 when we sacked Painter and recovered the fumble to take the lead. This is the misconception, that somehow Indy was blowing us out until they pulled their starters, it was a 5 point game when they came out.

The title game was different, each game plays out differently. We lost DB after Db in that game, we lost Shonn Greene. It was a totally different game. I just love how we can assume we'd lose b/c we lost the title game yet you guys harp on the bengals resting starters(even though they were down 27-0 when they took them out) and fail to mention how we beat them on the road the following week.

You guys crack me up:lol2:

SammySmif
08-04-2010, 03:07 PM
Why would we be jealous of a team we have beaten 3 times in a row?


You are delusional.

TPD1479
08-04-2010, 03:10 PM
Bottom line is we have more super bowl wins/appearances, more division titles, much more history, AND we have our OWN stadium..lol....

nyjunc
08-04-2010, 03:22 PM
Why would we be jealous of a team we have beaten 3 times in a row?


You are delusional.

I don't know, maybe b/c we were less than 30 mins from the SB, the last time you were that close was 1984 but of course 2 meaningless(as they turned out to be) regular season games clearly trump a trip to the title game:lol: I'm delusional:lol2:

nyjunc
08-04-2010, 03:23 PM
Bottom line is we have more super bowl wins/appearances, more division titles, much more history, AND we have our OWN stadium..lol....

I didn't realize we were talking ancient history.

We share our Stadium just like you guys do and hopefully our new Stadium won't have a new name 3 times a year like whatever you call that Stadium now.

Yonk1216
08-04-2010, 03:27 PM
:lol:You guys are consumed w/ it, the jealousy rages on and i understand that since your team hasn't been close to getting that far in 15 years.

I don't hijack threads, jealous posters like yopurslef hijack them to try and downplay what the jets did.



Huh? we were down 5 when we sacked Painter and recovered the fumble to take the lead. This is the misconception, that somehow Indy was blowing us out until they pulled their starters, it was a 5 point game when they came out.

The title game was different, each game plays out differently. We lost DB after Db in that game, we lost Shonn Greene. It was a totally different game. I just love how we can assume we'd lose b/c we lost the title game yet you guys harp on the bengals resting starters(even though they were down 27-0 when they took them out) and fail to mention how we beat them on the road the following week.

You guys crack me up:lol2:

Hence why I didn't mention the Bengals which validates what people say about you and how you keep bringing this stuff up... it's actually really comical... and you say we crack you up hahahaha.... Don't give me the "we lost DB's and Shonn Greene" argument if you can't even admit that you guys got in because you took advantage of Curtis Painter and the 2nd team O line.... The Colts starters beat you for half the game then you took advantage of them resting.... it was a lucky break that you were in INDY week 17.... just admit it..... I'm not trying to demean what you did once you made the playoffs.... just that it took luck outside of your doing to have the opportunity to make the run you did..... God I have 3 friends who are Jets fans and even they can admit that..... must be nice living in a fantasy world where you team is by far and away the class of the NFL after 2 consecutive 9-7 seasons

And I know it wasn't a blow out.... which is why I asked if you can come back from behind and earn your berth by beating up on the number 2's why couldn't the same team hold a 4 point lead 2 weeks later??..... it just proves that the Colts were the better team twice and had they not rested, you wouldn't have made the playoffs.... there is really no arguing the facts.

MiZFiT
08-04-2010, 03:27 PM
I didn't realize we were talking ancient history.

We share our Stadium just like you guys do and hopefully our new Stadium won't have a new name 3 times a year like whatever you call that Stadium now.

Ross is all about money, and thats why Marshall is in Miami. Maybe if you guys had some money, Revis wouldnt hold out. And your ******* coach is dumb enough to think his team can make the superbowl without Revis.

Yonk1216
08-04-2010, 03:31 PM
I don't know, maybe b/c we were less than 30 mins from the SB, the last time you were that close was 1984 but of course 2 meaningless(as they turned out to be) regular season games clearly trump a trip to the title game:lol: I'm delusional:lol2:

HAHA.... and if the Jets could have beaten us even once instead of choking the games away twice with bad defense and bad special teams.... this argument would not be happening because that one win would have gotten you to the promise land win or lose against the colts. But they couldn't and needed a free pass to get in and make noise.

nyjunc
08-04-2010, 03:33 PM
Hence why I didn't mention the Bengals which validates what people say about you and how you keep bringing this stuff up... it's actually really comical... and you say we crack you up hahahaha.... Don't give me the "we lost DB's and Shonn Greene" argument if you can't even admit that you guys got in because you took advantage of Curtis Painter and the 2nd team O line.... The Colts starters beat you for half the game then you took advantage of them resting.... it was a lucky break that you were in INDY week 17.... just admit it..... I'm not trying to demean what you did once you made the playoffs.... just that it took luck outside of your doing to have the opportunity to make the run you did..... God I have 3 friends who are Jets fans and even they can admit that..... must be nice living in a fantasy world where you team is by far and away the class of the NFL after 2 consecutive 9-7 seasons

And I know it wasn't a blow out.... which is why I asked if you can come back from behind and earn your berth by beating up on the number 2's why couldn't the same team hold a 4 point lead 2 weeks later??..... it just proves that the Colts were the better team twice and had they not rested, you wouldn't have made the playoffs.... there is really no arguing the facts.

That's funny b/c I mentioned over and over and over again that we got a break and took advantgae of it.

It doesn't prove anything, it proves they won the title game, it doesn't prove they would have won in week 16. They probably would have but we'll never know.


Ross is all about money, and thats why Marshall is in Miami. Maybe if you guys had some money, Revis wouldnt hold out. And your ******* coach is dumb enough to think his team can make the superbowl without Revis.

We just built a billion dollar stadium, I'm pretty confident our owner has some money but it's foolish to do things the Parcells way and just throw money around like he did when he ruined our cap in the early 00s.

MiZFiT
08-04-2010, 03:34 PM
We just built a billion dollar stadium, I'm pretty confident our owner has some money but it's foolish to do things the Parcells way and just throw money around like he did when he ruined our cap in the early 00s.

So its foolish to sign Dansby and Marshall to big contracts?

nyjunc
08-04-2010, 03:34 PM
HAHA.... and if the Jets could have beaten us even once instead of choking the games away twice with bad defense and bad special teams.... this argument would not be happening because that one win would have gotten you to the promise land win or lose against the colts. But they couldn't and needed a free pass to get in and make noise.

How would winning either of the 2 games against you have helped us? We would have been the 5 seed and playing Cincy regardless.

nyjunc
08-04-2010, 03:35 PM
So its foolish to sign Dansby and Marshall to big contracts?

Didn't I write "like he did when he ruined OUR cap in the early 00s"?

MiZFiT
08-04-2010, 03:36 PM
Didn't I write "like he did when he ruined OUR cap in the early 00s"?

Yea but you wrote it as if he did the same thing this off-season for the phins.

Ricky'sWeinerBong
08-04-2010, 03:37 PM
i dont know. give me a choice of being swept by the Jets and getting to the AFC Title game or sweeping the Jets and missing the playoffs. guess which one I'm choosing?

nyjunc
08-04-2010, 03:50 PM
Yea but you wrote it as if he did the same thing this off-season for the phins.

Nope, I was talking about how he hurt us.

NYPhin24
08-04-2010, 04:18 PM
:lol:You guys are consumed w/ it, the jealousy rages on and i understand that since your team hasn't been close to getting that far in 15 years.

I don't hijack threads, jealous posters like yopurslef hijack them to try and downplay what the jets did.



Huh? we were down 5 when we sacked Painter and recovered the fumble to take the lead. This is the misconception, that somehow Indy was blowing us out until they pulled their starters, it was a 5 point game when they came out.

The title game was different, each game plays out differently. We lost DB after Db in that game, we lost Shonn Greene. It was a totally different game. I just love how we can assume we'd lose b/c we lost the title game yet you guys harp on the bengals resting starters(even though they were down 27-0 when they took them out) and fail to mention how we beat them on the road the following week.

You guys crack me up:lol2:


So i as a dolphin fan am jealous of the team that we beat twice? DELUSIONAL, and i as a dolphin fan am hijacking a thread dedicated to the football team i root for and you hate on, DELUSIONAL, the only thing im "jealous" of is that the jets got to play the colts the week they did when nothing mattered and they pulled like 5 all-pro players and a couple of hall of famers, no big deal tho, curtis painter is just as good as Peyton Manning,

THIS IS A DOLPHINS BOARD AND A DOLPHINS THREAD THAT WAS TALKING ABOUT JOHN CLAYTON'S OPINION ON THE DOLPHINS, NOT NYJUNC'S OPINION ON THE DOLPHINS,

IF ALL YOUR GETTING TO DO IS CAUSE 8 PAGES OF DOLPHINS VS. JETS BACK AND FORTH ARGUMENTS, THEN STAY OFF THE SITE, YOUR ON THIS SITE LIKE ITS YOUR JOB, GET A LIFE

nyjunc
08-04-2010, 04:21 PM
So i as a dolphin fan am jealous of the team that we beat twice? DELUSIONAL, and i as a dolphin fan am hijacking a thread dedicated to the football team i root for and you hate on, DELUSIONAL, the only thing im "jealous" of is that the jets got to play the colts the week they did when nothing mattered and they pulled like 5 all-pro players and a couple of hall of famers, no big deal tho, curtis painter is just as good as Peyton Manning,

THIS IS A DOLPHINS BOARD AND A DOLPHINS THREAD THAT WAS TALKING ABOUT JOHN CLAYTON'S OPINION ON THE DOLPHINS, NOT NYJUNC'S OPINION ON THE DOLPHINS,

IF ALL YOUR GETTING TO DO IS CAUSE 8 PAGES OF DOLPHINS VS. JETS BACK AND FORTH ARGUMENTS, THEN STAY OFF THE SITE, YOUR ON THIS SITE LIKE ITS YOUR JOB, GET A LIFE

Aww calm down, everything will be ok. Take your blood pressure medication, have a cool drink and relax.

NYPhin24
08-04-2010, 04:29 PM
Aww calm down, everything will be ok. Take your blood pressure medication, have a cool drink and relax.

my blood pressure is just fine thaks for asking though. yes everything will be okay thanks again, i wil have a cool drink, relax, and watch the highlights of the Dolphins 2 wins vs. the Jets last season, you should do the same, maybe it will help you snap back into reality, and possibly make you realize deep down your a dolphin fan seeing as your on this board religiously

nyjunc
08-04-2010, 04:30 PM
my blood pressure is just fine thaks for asking though. yes everything will be okay thanks again, i wil have a cool drink, relax, and watch the highlights of the Dolphins 2 wins vs. the Jets last season, you should do the same, maybe it will help you snap back into reality, and possibly make you realize deep down your a dolphin fan seeing as your on this board religiously

I'll watch 2 playoff wins, you can have your 2 meaningless regular season wins.

NYPhin24
08-04-2010, 04:35 PM
I'll watch 2 playoff wins, you can have your 2 meaningless regular season wins.

you make sure to watch those meaningless playoff wins, because once again you lost the big game that mattered most

and make sure to watch that playoff LOSS

also maybe check out the game the Colts laid down and let you into the playoffs, which is really where it all starts

You ended the season same as the Dolphins and every other team but the Saints, without a Super Bowl trophy

You think the Colts are celebrating their Super Bowl loss and their fans are bragging to Titants fans saying "Well at least we lost the Super Bowl"

nyjunc
08-04-2010, 04:38 PM
you make sure to watch those meaningless playoff wins, because once again you lost the big game that mattered most

and make sure to watch that playoff LOSS

also maybe check out the game the Colts laid down and let you into the playoffs, which is really where it all starts

You ended the season same as the Dolphins and every other team but the Saints, without a Super Bowl trophy

You think the Colts are celebrating their Super Bowl loss and their fans are bragging to Titants fans saying "Well at least we lost the Super Bowl"

Yes I do, it's bettre to get to the playoffs and lose than to not make them. I understand you guys don't feel that way since you are always humiliated in your playoff losses but you can lose w/ honor when you are less than 30 mins from the Super Bowl.

NYPhin24
08-04-2010, 04:42 PM
Yes I do, it's bettre to get to the playoffs and lose than to not make them. I understand you guys don't feel that way since you are always humiliated in your playoff losses but you can lose w/ honor when you are less than 30 mins from the Super Bowl.

Why is it better, so you can get a worse draft pick? or get restricted with free agents? or have a target on your back for the next season?

humiliated or losing by 1, a loss is a loss either way your not playing in the next round

HONOR.....hahahahah you really wanna talk about HONOR

The jets and their bandwagon fans should take no "honor" in any accomplishment in the playoffs because they didnt honorably make it to the playoffs, honorable would have meant playing the Colts starters and the best QB in the league, the WHOLE game and not a second less, not a undrafted infant who has not stepped foot onto an NFL field

Once again congrats on beating Curtis Painter, real honor in that

nyjunc
08-04-2010, 04:51 PM
Why is it better, so you can get a worse draft pick? or get restricted with free agents? or have a target on your back for the next season?

humiliated or losing by 1, a loss is a loss either way your not playing in the next round

HONOR.....hahahahah you really wanna talk about HONOR

The jets and their bandwagon fans should take no "honor" in any accomplishment in the playoffs because they didnt honorably make it to the playoffs, honorable would have meant playing the Colts starters and the best QB in the league, the WHOLE game and not a second less, not a undrafted infant who has not stepped foot onto an NFL field

Once again congrats on beating Curtis Painter, real honor in that

The object is to win not to get higher draft picks that may or may not pan out.

I got to see 3 more meaningful games than you did, I'll take that every year. The excitement of the week leading up to each game, the excitement of the games themselves. How can you take a crapshoot of a draftpick over that?


You bore me. Come up w/ something interesting or please move along.

NYPhin24
08-04-2010, 04:54 PM
The object is to win not to get higher draft picks that may or may not pan out.

I got to see 3 more meaningful games than you did, I'll take that every year. The excitement of the week leading up to each game, the excitement of the games themselves. How can you take a crapshoot of a draftpick over that?


You bore me. Come up w/ something interesting or please move along.

sorry i "bore" your im sure already boring life since your on here 24/7, this a dolphins board not a JEST board so move along off this board and back to that classless sorry excuse gangreen, seriously i bet your on a dolphins website more than a jet website easily , which is just a little bit abnormal,

thanks, and "move along"

nyjunc
08-04-2010, 04:58 PM
sorry i "bore" your im sure already boring life since your on here 24/7, this a dolphins board not a JEST board so move along off this board and back to that classless sorry excuse gangreen, seriously i bet your on a dolphins website more than a jet website easily , which is just a little bit abnormal,

thanks, and "move along"

:lol: If you only had a clue what I do for a living.

NYPhin24
08-04-2010, 05:03 PM
:lol: If you only had a clue what I do for a living.

If only you had a clue that i couldnt care less what you do for a living, besides live on this board, here is your clue, not sure if you will get it though, I DONT CARE ;)

Ricky'sWeinerBong
08-04-2010, 05:03 PM
considering how bad the Phins have been the last decade, Im somewhat confused at all these Phin fans who would rather have a sweep over the Jets than a playoff run. of course, if the tables were turned, Phin fans would have a completely different take on the situation. lol. it is what it is...............

nyjunc
08-04-2010, 05:08 PM
If only you had a clue that i couldnt care less what you do for a living, besides live on this board, here is your clue, not sure if you will get it though, I DONT CARE ;)

You do care b/c you keep trying to take shots at me for being on here when you don't have a clue what I do. Stop whining and grow up, pay attention instead of hurling insults. you might learn something so the next time you get into an argument you won't look quite as foolish.

NYPhin24
08-04-2010, 05:08 PM
considering how bad the Phins have been the last decade, Im somewhat confused at all these Phin fans who would rather have a sweep over the Jets than a playoff run. of course, if the tables were turned, Phin fans would have a completely different take on the situation. lol. it is what it is...............

exactly, it is what it is, thats why last season and every season before that shouldnt be brought up at all but they constantly are because the offseason is so slow and all fans are anxiously awaiting the season to start and the last thing a fan wants to hear before a new season starts, is a fan of another team especially a rival team downplaying and downtalking your team constantly

Ricky'sWeinerBong
08-04-2010, 05:15 PM
i actually find Junks opinions pretty informed and for the most part level headed. I disagree with him that Brandon Marshall isnt a top wideout, but I find him pretty accurate alot of the time. sometimes when you get an unbiased look at your favourite team, its not a bad thing.

thefranchisedef
08-04-2010, 05:16 PM
Yes I am biased:lol:

Cromartie should be muc better in a manto man system
I don't know who Brandon Pool is
I don't know about Jenkins
We lost jenkins last year and made the title game so obviously we have depth.
Taylor is washed up as an everydown player but he can still be a pass rush specialist
Who knows about McKnight?
Don't need LT top break 20 yd gains but I expect he'll average around 4 YPC
Sanchez improved immensely in postseason, I expect him to pick up where he left off
I don't about Greene, immense talent but needs to be durable and hold onto the football
yes Revis will play
we have depth pretty much everywhere
I'd rather draft few players that hit than the Parcells philosophy of drafting a million guys and only a few stick.
Ducasse and Slausen have alot to prove, we'll see.
I think Santonio can stay out of trouble but we'll see.
of course we will beat Miami again.

Any more questions?


I have some for you-

Can Sparano ever win a playoff game? Can henne ever win a big game? has henne progressed where he is a reliable QB? Can Ronnie stay healthy? will Ricky wear down again? Can Marshall be anything more than a great possession WR? how will the 2 new starters on the OL fare? Can Mike Nolan be as good of a DC as you guys think he is? Will the 2 young corners take a huge leap forward and become good players this year? will you get better safety play? how will NT work out? How many more guys will get arrested? Will Parcells win only his 2nd playoff game ever in years he picks players? will you ever win a playoff game again?



The O was on the field for almost 26 mins, that was plenty of time to score more than 9 pts.

Miami's O scored .35 Points per minute, the Jets O scored .74 points per minute that game.



Actually the bottom line is the Jets made the playoffs then won 2 road playoff games and had a lead in the 2nd half of the AFC Championship game while Miami finished 7-9 and out of the playoffs.



They had almost 26 mins of offense to work w/ and if not for a blown call they would have scored 3 pts for the entire game. Henn and the Miami O were shut down.


If Marshall is so great w/ Yards after the catch why does he only average 12 yds per rec for his career?

Please do not EVER compare Marshall to Jerry Rice.

Why would I be scared of Marshall when we have revis who shut down better WRs than Marshall?


I think it remains to be seen who had a better offseason, you did have more holes to fill and you weren't hamstrung by the final 4 rules.

Yes, we acquired nothing but old guys like Antonio Cromartie, Brodney Pool and Santonio Holmes:rolleyes2:

Im willing to let those questions answer themselves. I dont know whats going to happen. I know that the jets way of building a team isnt the best. i know that building through the draft is proven, and has most if not all superbowls the last decade. teams like the jets, redskins, and raiders are nothing more than highly publicized attention Mongols. non of those teams have done squat since free agency has come about. believe me when i say, i understand what its like to have a team built of other teams castoffs.

i remember junior seau, david boston, james mcknight, tony martin, joey porter, girbril wilson, daunte culpepper, joey harrington, aj feeley, and jay fiedler.. the players that made the dolphins successful were the ones we drafted.

the jets are trying to build a quick winner. they dont have enough money to sign all these players next season. The jets are banking on winning it all this season. the problem is that they dont have alot of depth.

whose behind jason taylor and calvin pace? whose behind David Harris or Bart Scott? maybe Kerry Rhodes (a consistent play-maker) wasnt the problem. you dont know if kyle wilson or ducasse will be good.. the draft builds teams.

people who do it the right way win. look at the colts, patriots, vikings, chargers, titans, cowboys, packers, giants, eagles, falcons, and now the 49ers for example. those are the better teams in the league right now. few teams get lucky in finding a drew brees. you build through the draft! the jets dont have alot of depth other than reciever and cornerback. thats not good especially with injuries occurring more and more every year. You cant expect to trade for players that other teams dont want.

cromartie has been god awful the past two seasons. l.t. is washed up.. brodney pool hits hard but, gets concussions while in the process. braylon edwards has the most inconsistent hands in the league. faneca's presence will be missed, without him your running game wasnt as good. santonio holmes is good but we dont know if he can stay out of trouble. shonn greene played awesome in the playoffs but what happened against the colts? who's your depth on the o-line? the draft helps that process..

when you draft more players you also hit on more players, by the rule of thumb. this is the year the jets have to do it. they wont be the same next year, or the year after.. lets see NOW!

we will both make the playoffs barring freak injuries... lets see whose better on the field. we can argue all day about who has better what, lets just see what happens come monday night week 3!

Tigers2003
08-04-2010, 05:18 PM
I like G. Williams, but saying he's better than Nolan and it's not even close . . . just game me dumb chills.

Yeah that was obviously biased with out much thought to it from the Jets poster. Williams is an excellent OC is so is Nolan. Both believe in bringing the pressure and being aggressive. Both have solid pedigrees and track record. They are both in the same neighborhood as far as knowing what they are doing. Its not like one or the other is head and shoulders above the other as someone else was trying to make it look like.

nyjunc
08-04-2010, 05:23 PM
Im willing to let those questions answer themselves. I dont know whats going to happen. I know that the jets way of building a team isnt the best. i know that building through the draft is proven, and has most if not all superbowls the last decade. teams like the jets, redskins, and raiders are nothing more than highly publicized attention Mongols. non of those teams have done squat since free agency has come about. believe me when i say, i understand what its like to have a team built of other teams castoffs.

i remember junior seau, david boston, james mcknight, tony martin, joey porter, girbril wilson, daunte culpepper, joey harrington, aj feeley, and jay fiedler.. the players that made the dolphins successful were the ones we drafted.

the jets are trying to build a quick winner. they dont have enough money to sign all these players next season. The jets are banking on winning it all this season. the problem is that they dont have alot of depth.

whose behind jason taylor and calvin pace? whose behind David Harris or Bart Scott? maybe Kerry Rhodes (a consistent play-maker) wasnt the problem. you dont know if kyle wilson or ducasse will be good.. the draft builds teams.

people who do it the right way win. look at the colts, patriots, vikings, chargers, titans, cowboys, packers, giants, eagles, falcons, and now the 49ers for example. those are the better teams in the league right now. few teams get lucky in finding a drew brees. you build through the draft! the jets dont have alot of depth other than reciever and cornerback. thats not good especially with injuries occurring more and more every year. You cant expect to trade for players that other teams dont want.

cromartie has been god awful the past two seasons. l.t. is washed up.. brodney pool hits hard but, gets concussions while in the process. braylon edwards has the most inconsistent hands in the league. faneca's presence will be missed, without him your running game wasnt as good. santonio holmes is good but we dont know if he can stay out of trouble. shonn greene played awesome in the playoffs but what happened against the colts? who's your depth on the o-line? the draft helps that process..

when you draft more players you also hit on more players, by the rule of thumb. this is the year the jets have to do it. they wont be the same next year, or the year after.. lets see NOW!

we will both make the playoffs barring freak injuries... lets see whose better on the field. we can argue all day about who has better what, lets just see what happens come monday night week 3!

How are we trying to build a quick winner? we have as many home grown guys(possibly more) in our starting lineup as you guys. We have an excellent drafted core w/ the QB, C, LT, TE, WR, RB, ILB, CBs all drafted by the Jets.

We are doing it the right way, it's why we have tons of drafted players coming up for new deals. if we weren't drafting well we wouldn't have these contract problems.


It is better to draft few guys and hit than draft a ton and miss(like BP did w/ us in the last 90s).


i actually find Junks opinions pretty informed and for the most part level headed. I disagree with him that Brandon Marshall isnt a top wideout, but I find him pretty accurate alot of the time. sometimes when you get an unbiased look at your favourite team, its not a bad thing.

I never said Marshall wasn't a top WR, I think he is one of the best in the league. I just don't think he is in the Andre Johnson/Larry Fitzgerald category.

nyjunc
08-04-2010, 05:24 PM
Yeah that was obviously biased with out much thought to it from the Jets poster. Williams is an excellent OC is so is Nolan. Both believe in bringing the pressure and being aggressive. Both have solid pedigrees and track record. They are both in the same neighborhood as far as knowing what they are doing. Its not like one or the other is head and shoulders above the other as someone else was trying to make it look like.

One has been to two SBs and won one, the other has never even been to a title game.

Ricky'sWeinerBong
08-04-2010, 05:29 PM
Junk, we see eye to eye on Marshall then. I was about to type other than A Johnson and Fitz I could make a case for him as the 3rd best wideout in the league. What is the deal with all these Phin fans who say the Jets dont build a team properly. They drafted D'Brick, Mangold, Revis, D Harris, Keller, Greene, Sanchez, Cotchery, S Ellis, the young kid from Boise this year. Then they go and sign FA to try and fill other holes. Perhaps they have gone a tad overboard in FA, but they also have a good nucleus of young players. Some of you are just way off IMO...........

nyjunc
08-04-2010, 05:31 PM
Junk, we see eye to eye on Marshall then. I was about to type other than A Johnson and Fitz I could make a case for him as the 3rd best wideout in the league. What is the deal with all these Phin fans who say the Jets dont build a team properly. They drafted D'Brick, Mangold, Revis, D Harris, Keller, Greene, Sanchez, Cotchery, S Ellis, the young kid from Boise this year. Then they go and sign FA to try and fill other holes. Perhaps they have gone a tad overboard in FA, but they also have a good nucleus of young players. Some of you are just way off IMO...........

I'm not sure, Tannenbaum has done a great job drafting. Yes he has traded away alot of picks but luckily he has hit on most of them. He is also aggressive in FA and trades and I guess that skews the perception a bit.

qmar
08-04-2010, 05:49 PM
Have to somewhat agree here. I'm not exactly sure how you can call Mike Nolan a better and more proven DC then Greg Williams.

It's all in good fun and this is a Dolphins fan site, so it's only fair that Junc take his abuse if he wants to come on a rivals fan site.

I think Junc is well informed but also alot like most fans of teams (believe in their team alot more then they probably should). I guarantee that 85% of the people (including me) on this board think our team is way better then it really is.

Ricky'sWeinerBong
08-04-2010, 06:03 PM
Parcells and Co have already missed on their fair share of FA's and draft picks since taking over. It happens. It's not that Im not happy we finally have some competent people in place, but as Ive said a few times the roster was so devoid of talent it had nowhere to go but up.

72PhinFan
08-04-2010, 06:07 PM
A team's excellence at the end of the year can be affected by critical injuries; rookies hitting the wall; old players running out of gas; or the quality of opponents. But when the Jets played the Dolphins and both teams were at their strongest, Miami won not once but twice. Miami was the better team. Given the Jet's schedule, Miami could have gone 9 -7, maybe better. But that is speculation. 2-0 head-to-head is not.

DDTDON
08-04-2010, 06:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=MyPtJF-IgPc

Revis is lined up on Ginn...Ginn runs right past him....its truly that simple.

Simply beautiful!!! That should shut him up, but it won't!!!

godolphins1985
08-04-2010, 06:41 PM
Its funny showing these posts to my Jets friends, they laugh at the stupidity of a certain NYJ fan that trolls these parts.

MiZFiT
08-05-2010, 12:57 AM
Its funny showing these posts to my Jets friends, they laugh at the stupidity of a certain NYJ fan that trolls these parts.

They arent laughing at Junc, they are laughing at you because you think Junc is always wrong simply because he is a Jets fan. Now not every one of his posts are accurate but noone's is. Not even the God of the board FinAtic.

Ricky'sWeinerBong
08-05-2010, 01:00 AM
Simply beautiful!!! That should shut him up, but it won't!!!

why should it shut him up? Revis is on his way to being one of the best ever at his position. Ginn is on his way to the CFL or out of pro football alltogether. Explain your logic.

Ricky'sWeinerBong
08-05-2010, 01:01 AM
They arent laughing at Junc, they are laughing at you because you think Junc is always wrong simply because he is a Jets fan. Now not every one of his posts are accurate but noone's is. Not even the God of the board FinAtic.


all I ever see him do is cut and paste things? does he actually have football knowledge of his own? Ive never really discussed football all that in depth with him. I told him RGM sucked, and he listened eventually. thats a good start I suppose lol............

sm0kinfins
08-05-2010, 05:24 AM
i actually find Junks opinions pretty informed and for the most part level headed. I disagree with him that Brandon Marshall isnt a top wideout, but I find him pretty accurate alot of the time. sometimes when you get an unbiased look at your favourite team, its not a bad thing.

Clearly you've been hitting Ricky's bong waaaay too much. Put the joint down, sober up and come back here and read his comments. He's nothing but a thread-jacking clown with little insight and even less common sense. You belong on TGG along with your good pal junc...

nyjunc
08-05-2010, 07:51 AM
A team's excellence at the end of the year can be affected by critical injuries; rookies hitting the wall; old players running out of gas; or the quality of opponents. But when the Jets played the Dolphins and both teams were at their strongest, Miami won not once but twice. Miami was the better team. Given the Jet's schedule, Miami could have gone 9 -7, maybe better. But that is speculation. 2-0 head-to-head is not.

We played basically the same schedule and in the 2nd game we were w/o Leon Washington and kris Jenkins so how were we at full strength?

You beast us, congrats but the better team made the title game than the team that went 7-9. Look at it this way, outside of games against the Jets the dolphins won only 5 games all season.