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nosleep
09-19-2010, 04:01 PM
Seriously.

This certainly doesn't make me want to actually PAY for any kind of VIP service with this board.

See you on the other Fin site!

Anyway

GO FINS GREAT WIN!!!!!!!

MadDog 88
09-19-2010, 04:04 PM
Don't let the mouse hit you in the a$$ on the way out

Namor
09-19-2010, 04:07 PM
Seriously.

This certainly doesn't make me want to actually PAY for any kind of VIP service with this board.

See you on the other Fin site!

Anyway

GO FINS GREAT WIN!!!!!!!

I don't have a problem....Bye,Bye

sbh1602
09-19-2010, 04:12 PM
He does have a point. Childish way to go about it, but he does have a point.

The forum gets extremely slow in gameday, and sometimes it doesn't load at all. It's been an ongoing issue for years now... and it's awful because it just drives you away from it, really. I rather use an IRC with general NFL fans, because that one is actually usable.

For all the positives that Finheaven has (and don't get me wrong, it has plenty), this one is a huge, gaping hole. And I'm not sure why it is; it's not like servers and sites can't be configured for huge loads of traffic. If you're not getting performance from a hosting provider, get an Amazon EC2 instance. Or set up your own infrastructure. Hell, I'll even volunteer to help the site admins with it if they want it. Just... get it fixed, please!

Wildbill3
09-19-2010, 04:17 PM
I haven't had one problem until just after the final second ticked off the clock. and I'm using Hughesnet. Anyway show me where Finheaven EXPECTS anyone to pony up 18 dollars for VIP from its members.

tylerdolphin
09-19-2010, 04:19 PM
I havent had any problems...

Hurricane_Shula
09-19-2010, 04:22 PM
Actually today was the first time in a long time I came during game day and it was loading fine. A little slow but a lot better than plain not-working like it used to be in past years.

miamiron
09-19-2010, 04:22 PM
5 years always slow on game day and drafts

but outstanding other times

Wildbill3
09-19-2010, 04:25 PM
There are currently 660 users online (http://www.finheaven.com/forums/online.php). 452 members and 164 guests and 44 spiders

sbh1602
09-19-2010, 04:44 PM
There are currently 660 users online (http://www.finheaven.com/forums/online.php). 452 members and 164 guests and 44 spiders

I hope you don't think that somehow justifies the performance of the servers. Because... it doesn't.

I won't talk about Amazon/Google/whatever, because obviously the infrastructure is not the same. But I'll give you an example more akin to this.

A couple of weeks ago I had to supervise a series of tests by a medical board. They handled about 800 students, simultaneously, using a web app on a localized server (meaning, using LAN). They had the works: heavyset servers (dual, quad-core processors at around 3 Ghz, 8 Gb RAM, etc), 1 Gb wired LAN, the laptops used to take the tests were pretty decent... and the test broke down as soon as the students started.

After a few hours of debugging their configurations, app, etc., the solution was simple. A couple of misconfigured parameters in SQL Server, and a pathetic table that was meant to hold every single student's answers... without indexing. Yeah. Obviously after that, the tests went as smoothly as possible. By their hardware, they could've supported the entire student body (they did this on 10 different cities, around 800 students on each) even remotely, and the servers wouldn't have even blinked.

My point is, the numbers shouldn't matter. 600 simultaneous users is nothing. Nothing.

Hell, 6000 simultaneous users is nothing as well. You have to go to the 10s or 100s of thousands to even make a server notice.

FWIW, yeah, the server is running pretty well today. But it has been an issue, and is worth talking about it.

Ricky4Life
09-19-2010, 04:48 PM
No problems today for me and i am on the droid x.

Clipse
09-19-2010, 04:49 PM
Funny, I've had no problems all day.

DannyBoy13
09-19-2010, 04:53 PM
I agree with him. After a big win the site is always slow as hell. After 5 years I've gotten used to it. Things seems to be better today though.

Lester
09-19-2010, 05:01 PM
I know not to even try during a game cause loading takes too long.
I love this site, but it is an issue. CAn't pretend it isn't.

JC
09-19-2010, 05:03 PM
It wouldn't load for me at all during the game.

Canadianfishfan
09-19-2010, 05:05 PM
It's been great since the migration. But it's expected really, after all the sudden traffic.

Maybe the OP should get off dial up and check out broadband. Sheessh!

Wildbill3
09-19-2010, 05:21 PM
I hope you don't think that somehow justifies the performance of the servers. Because... it doesn't.

I won't talk about Amazon/Google/whatever, because obviously the infrastructure is not the same. But I'll give you an example more akin to this.

A couple of weeks ago I had to supervise a series of tests by a medical board. They handled about 800 students, simultaneously, using a web app on a localized server (meaning, using LAN). They had the works: heavyset servers (dual, quad-core processors at around 3 Ghz, 8 Gb RAM, etc), 1 Gb wired LAN, the laptops used to take the tests were pretty decent... and the test broke down as soon as the students started.

After a few hours of debugging their configurations, app, etc., the solution was simple. A couple of misconfigured parameters in SQL Server, and a pathetic table that was meant to hold every single student's answers... without indexing. Yeah. Obviously after that, the tests went as smoothly as possible. By their hardware, they could've supported the entire student body (they did this on 10 different cities, around 800 students on each) even remotely, and the servers wouldn't have even blinked.

My point is, the numbers shouldn't matter. 600 simultaneous users is nothing. Nothing.

Hell, 6000 simultaneous users is nothing as well. You have to go to the 10s or 100s of thousands to even make a server notice.

FWIW, yeah, the server is running pretty well today. But it has been an issue, and is worth talking about it.
hey i'm sure you're right about your numbers etc, however in the past this board would be down for 12 hours etc, At this point from what I can tell the majority of our users are only, and posting. This is directly attributable to our new servers hosted by webtractive, of which Henrik is the man. We had zero downtime during the preseason, and if my own experience today is an indication, at most there was 10 minutes today at the end of the game where my own experience (using hughesnet) was hindered by a slowdown. Of which I'd hazzard a guess that we had multiple users decide to log in at nearly the same time. You're right a good server can handle tons of traffic, but even the best servers will have an issues with multiple people logging in at the same time. if you want to discuss performance with anyone, i'm sure henrik would answer your pm.

Adam First
09-19-2010, 05:22 PM
I don't pay for VIP so I don't complain about the slowdowns.

I must say it has improved greatly. Back in '08 the board would be immobilized for 3-4 hours after the game.

MadDog 88
09-19-2010, 05:26 PM
Maybe if more people paid for VIP they could upgrade the equipment. The site is much better then when I first joined. I had no problem until the game ended and it got a little slow.

sbh1602
09-19-2010, 05:27 PM
hey i'm sure you're right about your numbers etc, however in the past this board would be down for 12 hours etc, At this point from what I can tell the majority of our users are only, and posting. This is directly attributable to our new servers hosted by webtractive, of which Henrik is the man. We had zero downtime during the preseason, and if my own experience today is an indication, at most there was 10 minutes today at the end of the game where my own experience (using hughesnet) was hindered by a slowdown. Of which I'd hazzard a guess that we had multiple users decide to log in at nearly the same time. You're right a good server can handle tons of traffic, but even the best servers will have an issues with multiple people logging in at the same time. if you want to discuss performance with anyone, i'm sure henrik would answer your pm.

Oh, I agree wholeheartedly; it's been improving constantly. And I think it goes to the heart of what this site once was: no one foresaw what it would become. So as it's grown, so have the servers.

In reality I'm not quite complaining; I understand that growing pains are a reality with all web apps. Particularly when they're very popular ;) But my point is, Finheaven (as a community) shouldn't brush off this kind of posts as rubbish; while the OP has an awful delivery, the content is valid.

Hey, it's a happy day. Let's all go get drunk and celebrate the victory :D

Mogwai
09-19-2010, 05:28 PM
It used to be much, much worse. Not so much a problem anymore. OP is a childish ***, but the complaint is sorta valid. The poor performance I used to experience pretty much killed any chance I'd actually pay to post here.

sbh1602
09-19-2010, 05:28 PM
Maybe if more people paid for VIP they could upgrade the equipment. The site is much better then when I first joined. I had no problem until the game ended and it got a little slow.

I agree.

BTW, where can I get that little "server xfer survivor" badge? I survived it too! ;)

Vaark
09-19-2010, 05:29 PM
It would probably help if he didn't have a dial up connection.

nosleep
09-19-2010, 05:38 PM
So I'm childish for complaining? I admit I could have had more tact but ****, If no one complains it will never get fixed.

And terrible performance honestly would not make me want to pay for VIP. They offer a service for a price, I would expect them to want to hear customers, or potential customers opinions on the matter.

I'm on 1mbps cable.

Wildbill3
09-19-2010, 05:43 PM
So I'm childish for complaining? I admit I could have had more tact but ****, If no one complains it will never get fixed.

I'm on 1mbps cable.
complaining? yes it was childish how you complained.

"i'm leaving and taking my toys with me, and you can't make me pay for vip" vs... Hey you guys upgraded to new servers, yet i'm still having trouble with finheaven slowing down/being down etc. Is there any plans to fix this?

Which of those two statements looks more constructive?