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Locke
09-28-2010, 11:12 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_rel_religious_literacy_poll


A new survey of Americans' knowledge of religion found that atheists, agnostics, Jews and Mormons outperformed Protestants and Roman Catholics in answering questions about major religions, while many respondents could not correctly give the most basic tenets of their own faiths.


Forty-five percent of Roman Catholics who participated in the study didn't know that, according to church teaching, the bread and wine used in Holy Communion is not just a symbol, but becomes the body and blood of Christ.


More than half of Protestants could not identify Martin Luther as the person who inspired the Protestant Reformation. And about four in 10 Jews did not know that Maimonides, one of the greatest rabbis and intellectuals in history, was Jewish.


Admittedly, I found this incredibly surprising...

1Hawdolfin4L
09-28-2010, 03:03 PM
I wasn't surprised.

Many Christians are Christians for only an hour or so per week, and that is on Sunday.

Many pastors try to stress the fact that being a Christian is a life style. Falls on many a deaf ear.

So sad, but so true.



From the article and poll:

according to church teaching, the bread and wine used in Holy Communion is not just a symbol, but becomes the body and blood of Christ.



my comment:

I always thought that it was a symbol of the body and blood. Does this means that the RCC believes that it is the literal body and blood?

Dolphan7
09-28-2010, 07:58 PM
This isn't surprising to me either. Atheists and Agnostics strike me as people who have taken the time to research and inquire about religion (s), and thus gain more of a broader knowledge of said religions. Christians, and I use that term loosely, tend to just believe without really knowing why, without searching out the facts behind their faith...and there is a lot. And the Catholics and Pre-destiny Christians are the worse.

JCane
09-28-2010, 08:03 PM
This doesn't surprise me at all. As an Agnostic myself, I like to think I'm fairly knowledgeable with Christian beliefs as well as other Religions. Took several Religion courses in college because Religion was very interesting to me. It's fascinating why people believe the things they do.

X-Pacolypse
09-29-2010, 07:55 PM
Not surprising in the least. Atheists and Agnostics are willing to do research and ask questions, whereas most folks who are raised in a faith will blindly follow what they're taught.

X-Pacolypse
09-29-2010, 08:03 PM
I wasn't surprised.

Many Christians are Christians for only an hour or so per week, and that is on Sunday.

Many pastors try to stress the fact that being a Christian is a life style. Falls on many a deaf ear.

So sad, but so true.



From the article and poll:

according to church teaching, the bread and wine used in Holy Communion is not just a symbol, but becomes the body and blood of Christ.



my comment:

I always thought that it was a symbol of the body and blood. Does this means that the RCC believes that it is the literal body and blood?

That's pretty much what turned me away from Christianity. I was raised in the Catholic faith, and went to Catholic schools, but often times, (especially as I got older) I would live my life the complete opposite of the Catholic doctrine. Being part of a religion requires more work than most realize, and it's work I want no part of. I have a life, I have better things to do with my time than go to mass, bible studies, etc.

Dolphan7
09-29-2010, 11:28 PM
That's pretty what turned me away from Christianity. I was raised in the Catholic faith, and went to Catholic schools, but often times, (especially as I got older) I would live my life the complete opposite of the Catholic doctrine. Being part of a religion requires more work than most realize, and it's work I want no part of. I have a life, I have better things to do with my time than go to mass, bible studies, etc.
This is exactly why the Catholic church is so far off track. It is so consumed with tradition and rules and regulations.....and meaningless work, that it has lost the true meaning of the Gospel. Please don't reject Jesus because of the Catholics. They are the modern day Pharisees.

CedarPhin
09-29-2010, 11:57 PM
I'm agnostic, but I've always been interested in different religions.

I've read the Bible, the Koran, the Torah, looked at Buddhism, etc.

Hell, I've even read the Book of Mormon, but I found that to be the biggest joke I've ever read.

X-Pacolypse
09-30-2010, 01:27 PM
This is exactly why the Catholic church is so far off track. It is so consumed with tradition and rules and regulations.....and meaningless work, that it has lost the true meaning of the Gospel. Please don't reject Jesus because of the Catholics. They are the modern day Pharisees.

Too late. Between all the rules, regulations, priests touching children, followed by the Vatican's constant cover-ups of said scandals. I'm done.

1Hawdolfin4L
10-04-2010, 04:06 AM
Too late. Between all the rules, regulations, priests touching children, followed by the Vatican's constant cover-ups of said scandals. I'm done.

Are you also done with education?


Sex Abuse by Teachers Said Worse Than Catholic Church


http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/4/5/01552.shtml

(http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/4/5/01552.shtml)
To support her contention, Shakeshaft compared the priest abuse data with data collected in a national survey for the American Association of University Women Educational Foundation in 2000. Extrapolating data from the latter, she estimated roughly 290,000 students experienced some sort of physical sexual abuse by a school employee from a single decade—1991-2000. That compares with about five decades of cases of abusive priests.


Such figures led her to contend "the physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests."





The big list: Female teachers with students

Most comprehensive account on Internet of women predators on campus

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=39783

(http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=39783)
Here is a list of the teacher 'sexpidemic' cases WND has documented where female teachers have been accused, or convicted, of assaulting students:








Now we have real evidence – sexual abuse is not a ‘Catholic problem’


http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2010/08/09/now-we-have-real-evidence-%E2%80%93-sexual-abuse-is-not-a-%E2%80%98catholic-problem%E2%80%99/

(http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2010/08/09/now-we-have-real-evidence-%E2%80%93-sexual-abuse-is-not-a-%E2%80%98catholic-problem%E2%80%99/)
But we still have a fight ahead: the media are out to get us


The fact is, however, that not only is the Catholic Church NOT an endemically paedophile organisation, the evidence is now emerging that, in fact, even Newsweek is exaggerating: it’s not that “priests… abuse children at the same rate as everyone else”: actually, according to Dr Thomas Plante of Stanford University and Santa Clara University, “available research suggests that approximately two to five per cent of priests have had a sexual experience with a minor” which “is lower than the general adult male population” – in which the percentage of those who have interfered with minors “is best estimated to be closer to eight per cent”. In other words, children who have anything to do with priests are between 1.6 and four times LESS likely to be abused by them than by anyone else.

Locke
10-04-2010, 11:01 AM
Are you also done with education?


Sex Abuse by Teachers Said Worse Than Catholic Church


http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/4/5/01552.shtml

(http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/4/5/01552.shtml)
To support her contention, Shakeshaft compared the priest abuse data with data collected in a national survey for the American Association of University Women Educational Foundation in 2000. Extrapolating data from the latter, she estimated roughly 290,000 students experienced some sort of physical sexual abuse by a school employee from a single decade—1991-2000. That compares with about five decades of cases of abusive priests.


Such figures led her to contend "the physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests."





The big list: Female teachers with students

Most comprehensive account on Internet of women predators on campus

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=39783

(http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=39783)
Here is a list of the teacher 'sexpidemic' cases WND has documented where female teachers have been accused, or convicted, of assaulting students:








Now we have real evidence – sexual abuse is not a ‘Catholic problem’


http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2010/08/09/now-we-have-real-evidence-%E2%80%93-sexual-abuse-is-not-a-%E2%80%98catholic-problem%E2%80%99/

(http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2010/08/09/now-we-have-real-evidence-%E2%80%93-sexual-abuse-is-not-a-%E2%80%98catholic-problem%E2%80%99/)
But we still have a fight ahead: the media are out to get us


The fact is, however, that not only is the Catholic Church NOT an endemically paedophile organisation, the evidence is now emerging that, in fact, even Newsweek is exaggerating: it’s not that “priests… abuse children at the same rate as everyone else”: actually, according to Dr Thomas Plante of Stanford University and Santa Clara University, “available research suggests that approximately two to five per cent of priests have had a sexual experience with a minor” which “is lower than the general adult male population” – in which the percentage of those who have interfered with minors “is best estimated to be closer to eight per cent”. In other words, children who have anything to do with priests are between 1.6 and four times LESS likely to be abused by them than by anyone else.

This is basic statistics. The vast vast vast majority of children attend some sort of public or private school. How many attend church? Probably somewhere around 50-60% would be my best guess. The sheer difference in numbers alone mean that there will be more cases of sexual misconduct and abuse in one. Do you have something that looks at the occurrence per capita? That is the only data that will accurately compare the two...

1Hawdolfin4L
10-04-2010, 01:44 PM
occurrence per capita?


The study indicates that between 2 - 5 percent of priests have had a sexual experience with a minor.

The rest of the population is above that percentage.

The teacher percent must be astronomically high because a study cites 100 times worst than the Catholic church.




disclosure: I was raised as a RC, but severed long ago. A former priest of the congregation was accused of abuse.

Also several teachers here was also accused of abuse.

Locke
10-04-2010, 02:25 PM
The study indicates that between 2 - 5 percent of priests have had a sexual experience with a minor.

The rest of the population is above that percentage.

The teacher percent must be astronomically high because a study cites 100 times worst than the Catholic church.




disclosure: I was raised as a RC, but severed long ago. A former priest of the congregation was accused of abuse.

Also several teachers here was also accused of abuse.

Sources? Links? I'd be interested in reading the study...