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12-13-2003, 11:46 PM
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SMadison29
12-14-2003, 12:15 AM
Jason White.

This is the biggest BS since...since...since USC not being placed in the Sugar Bowl. The NCAA has really F'd this season up big time. They might as well clear from the record books because it's obvious this shiznit is rigged.

This makes 3 BS Heisman winners in the past 4 years. Weinke, Crouch, & not White. Palmer was the only player that wasn't a fraud. The voters also have to get it in their head that the QB from the #1 or #2 team does not automatically deserve the Heisman.

The REAL Heisman Vote
1-Larry Fitzgerald, Pitt
2-Eli Manning, Miss
3-Chris Perry, Mich
4-Darren Sproles, Kansas State
5-Mike Williams, USC

dolfan06
12-14-2003, 12:42 AM
Originally posted by SMadison29
Jason White.

This is the biggest BS since...since...since USC not being placed in the Sugar Bowl. The NCAA has really F'd this season up big time. They might as well clear from the record books because it's obvious this shiznit is rigged.

This makes 3 BS Heisman winners in the past 4 years. Weinke, Crouch, & not White. Palmer was the only player that wasn't a fraud. The voters also have to get it in their head that the QB from the #1 or #2 team does not automatically deserve the Heisman.

The REAL Heisman Vote
1-Larry Fitzgerald, Pitt
2-Eli Manning, Miss
3-Chris Perry, Mich
4-Darren Sproles, Kansas State
5-Mike Williams, USC i really haven't followed the heisman that much, but weiner was definately a bad choice!:rolleyes:

iceblizzard69
12-14-2003, 10:53 AM
Larry Fitzgerald deserved the award. I had a feeling White would win, but he didn't deserve it. Manning and Fitzgerald were a lot more deserving.

inFINSible
12-14-2003, 11:20 AM
Didn't White throw for like 40 TDs against 6 iNTs......hard to argue with that from where I'm sitting. :dunno:

TerryTate
12-14-2003, 11:51 AM
Sproles will be there next year....just watch

iceblizzard69
12-14-2003, 12:23 PM
Originally posted by inFINSible
Didn't White throw for like 40 TDs against 6 iNTs......hard to argue with that from where I'm sitting. :dunno:


I think he threw for 40 TDs and 8 INTs, he definitely had great numbers. However, he just isn't the best player in the country. The best player in the country was Larry Fitzgerald. Also, Eli Manning is a better player as well. White had a great season, he just should not have won the Heisman.

dolfan06
12-14-2003, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by iceblizzard69



I think he threw for 40 TDs and 8 INTs, he definitely had great numbers. However, he just isn't the best player in the country. The best player in the country was Larry Fitzgerald. Also, Eli Manning is a better player as well. White had a great season, he just should not have won the Heisman. receivers CAN make a QB look good!;)

canephin
12-14-2003, 01:02 PM
Wasn't the reason that they didn't give Ken Dorsey the Heisman cause they beleived that the talent he was surrounded by made him look good. Even though he was 38-2 as a starter in fact at the time he was 38-1 as a starter. So whats the excuse for giving Jason the Heisman and not the best player, i can tell you popularity. If any of you have read the newest ESPN magazine which was published before the Heisman they basically already said that he would win. And the fact that 500 votes had already been sent in before the sooners lost no excuse me were pumeled by kansas is to me wrong. Who in here actually believes that he will do anything in the NFL. Cause again an excuse they used for not giving Dorsey the Heisman was that they didn't think he would do anything in the NFL. (Which is kinda funny cause Erickson came on and said that Dorsey is amazing that he is the smartest QB hes ever seen and he has gained 25 pounds and that he is the future of this team) In my opinion it should have been Larry Fitz or Eli this was a total BS year. I really hope they fix things up next year.

Bling
12-14-2003, 02:20 PM
I think Fitzgerald would have won had they voted AFTER the BIG XII Championship. It was obvious White was going to win, but Fitzgerald deserved it.

As for Weinke and Crouch being bad picks. I disagree. Those guys were on good teams, and played their hearts out.

Angneli
12-15-2003, 03:10 PM
Look at the production of Oklahoma's offense between last season and this season. Jason White was the difference. The receivers are the same guys that were there last year. White made them a better team.

If you want to use the extra game as a measuring stick then fine. He was the only candidate to have to play an extra game. He led his team to a better record than all the other candidates. Chris Perry did nothing for Michigan v. Oregon. Larry Fitzgerald DISAPPEARED when he went up against your beloved 'Canes. And Manning well if he wanted to have a shot then he needs to make sure he gets a pass off on 4th down.

Jason White won the trophy and it was the right call.

SMadison29
12-16-2003, 01:57 AM
Jason White didn't deserve it. If you want to go by #s like the 40 TDs then BJ Symons should have won. The award has become a joke in recent years & this year is no different. He's not he best player in the country, he's not the most outstanding player in the country, he's just a QB on the #3 team. I guess that's all you have to be these days to qualify.

Center
12-16-2003, 03:27 PM
You know...once, I wish someone who wears a number in the 50s, 60s, or 70s would be seriously considered for the Heisman. But it'll never happen. The Heisman is ostensibly for "The best player in college football", but it's not. It's for the "best player who regularly touches the ball".

You can't convince me that Jason White is a better player than Robert Gallery.

Angneli
12-16-2003, 08:09 PM
Originally posted by SMadison29
Jason White didn't deserve it. If you want to go by #s like the 40 TDs then BJ Symons should have won. The award has become a joke in recent years & this year is no different. He's not he best player in the country, he's not the most outstanding player in the country, he's just a QB on the #3 team. I guess that's all you have to be these days to qualify.


BJ Symons threw for a lot of yards and TD's but he also threw a lot of picks that cost his team games. Including two games where he had 5 interceptions in each game.

White threw 8 the entire season.

What did Eli Manning do? Or Chris Perry?

Larry Fitzgerald caught 22 touchdowns that's amazing. His # of Catches and yards were not that great.

Angneli
12-16-2003, 08:15 PM
Originally posted by Center
You can't convince me that Jason White is a better player than Robert Gallery.

Nor would I try to, I agree with you.


Orlando Pace is the lineman that I remember being considered a finalist.

dolfan06
12-16-2003, 10:23 PM
Originally posted by Center
You know...once, I wish someone who wears a number in the 50s, 60s, or 70s would be seriously considered for the Heisman. But it'll never happen. The Heisman is ostensibly for "The best player in college football", but it's not. It's for the "best player who regularly touches the ball".

You can't convince me that Jason White is a better player than Robert Gallery. you're right, i've seen some damn good centers that made the running game go!;)

SMadison29
12-17-2003, 03:18 AM
What did Eli Manning do?

He lead a crappy Ole Miss team to 3 points shy of the SEC championship. There's no way they would have been this good without Eli.

Look at the production of Oklahoma's offense between last season and this season. Jason White was the difference. The receivers are the same guys that were there last year. White made them a better team.

Look at their ranking last year compared to this year. They went from 5th to 3rd. Ole Miss went from not ranked at 7-6 to 16th.

Angneli
12-17-2003, 02:56 PM
Which is more difficult? Getting into the Top 25 or staying in the top 5?

White beat Manning in every statistical category. Granted Manning will probably be the better NFL qb, but there is no comparison for this past season.

SMadison29
12-17-2003, 08:37 PM
Originally posted by Angneli
Which is more difficult? Getting into the Top 25 or staying in the top 5?

White beat Manning in every statistical category. Granted Manning will probably be the better NFL qb, but there is no comparison for this past season.

You're looking to much at teh statistical side of it. Like last year if you went by stats it shouldn't have been Carson Palmer but Larry Johnson, Kliff Kingsbury, or Willis McGahee but the voters got it right because Palmer was the best player in the nation, most outstanding, & at the time MVP(we now know that any good QB can put up great #s in USC's system but last year was the first). Eli & Fitzgerald were clearly the two most outstanding players & more important to each of their respective teams.

Angneli
12-19-2003, 02:28 AM
White was just as important to his team. Without him the would have not had the offensive year that they had. They jumped up the boards on offense in every passing category. The difference between this year and last year is Jason White.

I don't think that Rutherford gets enough credit for Pittsburgh's offense.

canephin
12-19-2003, 11:45 PM
angneli you make a few good pionts but if Jason won it with the statistics he had then tell me why Ken Dorsey shouldn't have won it. In all honesty i agree that carson palmer had the best mechanics for the NFL, but if your throwing the statistics in isn't 38-2 as a starter got to do something with how the Canes were amazing the past few years, i think so. So if you wanna say well he helped his team and they have a great record then hell if this was the team heismen and he was representing them then i would have given it to Jason as well but this is who is the best in the nation and clearly i think it was Eli and Larry, and since you say that Larry disappeared against our canes where was Jason against Kansas, losses and bad games come with the territory but the best in the game was clearly Larry and Eli and its to bad that it went the way that it did.

Angneli
12-20-2003, 02:58 PM
I'll tell you exactly why Dorsey didn't win. Palmer dominated him in every category that season. Palmer had More TD's, Less Int's, more yards and a higher completion percentage.

Sounds familiar.

SMadison29
12-21-2003, 01:09 AM
But dont you think the Heisman is based on what you've done for your team. White has lead Chokelahoma from the #5 ranking of Nate Hybl's team to #3 this year & probably lower after the BS championship. He hasn't done much more for the team, 60 more yards of offense a game is it.

Angneli
12-21-2003, 01:43 PM
Don't forget the 13 more touchdowns, and 1 less interception and a higher completion percentage. (then Manning)

And a National Championship is still possible.

canephin
12-23-2003, 11:29 PM
alright lets get off jason whites tip here. I will agree with palmer winning it, personally i believe the reason Ken Dorsey didn't win is the fact that we had 2 Miami players there and it really split votes. I just don't think jason deserved it. And i think most people would agree that either eli or Larry deserved it which also may be the reason neither of them won, because the votes were split between them.

Angneli
12-29-2003, 01:33 AM
The votes were not that split up. Manning was way behind Fitzgerald.