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Ricky'sWeinerBong
10-10-2010, 02:51 PM
would a team like Boise or even Oregon get a shot if they run the table? Im hoping Ohio St loses at some point so if one of these other smaller programs is undefeated they actually get a shot.

Mako
10-11-2010, 11:59 AM
My biggest hope is that Oregon does their yearly choke and that Michigan State, Michigan or Wisconsin trips up Ohio State.

I want nothing more than to see TCU and Boise finish unbeaten and see the ways the BCS will find to shaft them. It's a joke.

tylerdolphin
10-11-2010, 12:43 PM
My biggest hope is that Oregon does their yearly choke and that Michigan State, Michigan or Wisconsin trips up Ohio State.

I want nothing more than to see TCU and Boise finish unbeaten and see the ways the BCS will find to shaft them. It's a joke.
It wouldnt be shafting anyone...Boise doesnt play anyone. Bama just showed what can happen with a real schedule...you can run into a team that just has everything clicking that day and they beat you. Boise plays one mediocre ACC team and Oregon State and then the next toughest team they play is Nevada. They literally couldnt lose another game if they wanted to. If they come out flat one game, it doesnt matter. Their opponents having a great day wont even phase them. That schedule should be taken into consideration when you have a 1 loss team from the SEC or Boise. If Bama played the schedule Boise plays there no way in hell they would lose a game.

Namor
10-11-2010, 12:47 PM
My biggest hope is that Oregon does their yearly choke and that Michigan State, Michigan or Wisconsin trips up Ohio State.

I want nothing more than to see TCU and Boise finish unbeaten and see the ways the BCS will find to shaft them. It's a joke.

There's a couple of high schools in Alabama and Texas that play tougher
schedules than TCU or a WAC schedule.

Mako
10-11-2010, 12:58 PM
It wouldnt be shafting anyone...Boise doesnt play anyone. Bama just showed what can happen with a real schedule...you can run into a team that just has everything clicking that day and they beat you. Boise plays one mediocre ACC team and Oregon State and then the next toughest team they play is Nevada. They literally couldnt lose another game if they wanted to. If they come out flat one game, it doesnt matter. Their opponents having a great day wont even phase them. That schedule should be taken into consideration when you have a 1 loss team from the SEC or Boise. If Bama played the schedule Boise plays there no way in hell they would lose a game.

I don't disagree with you about the schedule Boise St. and TCU play. However, I also think the system as a whole is flawed where a team can't get a chance to play for the national title despite an unbeaten season.

Using the college basketball analogy... Butler last season took the college basketball landscape by storm. Their conference schedule couldn't TOUCH the one played by Michigan State, Duke or any of the heavy hitters.

Under the BCS format, Butler would have never gotten so much as a CHANCE to prove they could hang with the big dogs.

I fault the system.

Namor
10-11-2010, 01:04 PM
I don't disagree with you about the schedule Boise St. and TCU play. However, I also think the system as a whole is flawed where a team can't get a chance to play for the national title despite an unbeaten season.

Using the college basketball analogy... Butler last season took the college basketball landscape by storm. Their conference schedule couldn't TOUCH the one played by Michigan State, Duke or any of the heavy hitters.

Under the BCS format, Butler would have never gotten so much as a CHANCE to prove they could hang with the big dogs.

I fault the system.

But if you go to a playoff system..
How do you determine who goes to the playoffs?By playing a schedule like Boise
St and TCU? You are back to the original
problem.

tylerdolphin
10-11-2010, 01:49 PM
Well, if they went to an 8 team playoff format, undefeated teams like Boise would definitely get a shot I would think. Wishful thinking though. We arent gonna see a playoff anytime soon. It sucks for Boise...its not that I dont think they deserve a shot, its just that other teams deserve the benefit of the doubt under the BCS system.

X-Pacolypse
10-11-2010, 03:00 PM
My biggest hope is that Oregon does their yearly choke and that Michigan State, Michigan or Wisconsin trips up Ohio State.

I want nothing more than to see TCU and Boise finish unbeaten and see the ways the BCS will find to shaft them. It's a joke.

I don't think MSU and Ohio State play each other this year. Regardless, if Boise State or TCU run the table and go undefeated then they deserve to play in the National Title game. Everyone talks about Boise's schedule, but it's not as if they have the power to magically make the WAC conference better. It is what it is. Don't punish them for playing in a lackluster conference.

Before the season everybody wanted too see the following things from Boise.

- Beat Virginia Tech. Check.

- Beat Oregon State. Check.

- Blowout conference foes by a wide margin. So far, so good.

What more do you want? If you SEC and BCS honks have the magical ability to change the level of play in the WAC then by all means do it. Otherwise, Boise is doing exactly what they have to do in order to remain in the conversation. Yes, the James Madison loss puts a damper on the win over Va Tech, but lately it seems Beamer and the boys are righting that ship and could become players again for the ACC Title. Oregon State just took down a top ten program in Arizona, that same Arizona team that took Iowa to the woodshed. If Va Tech and Oregon State continue to win and look good that makes Boise's case for a shot at the title even more convincing.

Ricky'sWeinerBong
10-11-2010, 04:18 PM
Boise beat Oklahoma and still gets no respect.

X-Pacolypse
10-11-2010, 04:59 PM
Boise beat Oklahoma and still gets no respect.

They beat Oregon and TCU last year as well. The thing with pollsters is, and much like society itself... It's a mentality of "what have you done for me lately?"

tylerdolphin
10-11-2010, 05:24 PM
Boise beat Oklahoma and still gets no respect.
It says a lot about them that they can beat good teams. Im not trying to say Boise is garbage, because they clearly arent. All Im saying is that they play one, maybe two losable games all year. You cant do that and expect to be held in the same regard as a team that plays 5 or 6 games against real opponents. Its hard to be on your game every single week.

X-Pacolypse
10-11-2010, 05:30 PM
It says a lot about them that they can beat good teams. Im not trying to say Boise is garbage, because they clearly arent. All Im saying is that they play one, maybe two losable games all year. You cant do that and expect to be held in the same regard as a team that plays 5 or 6 games against real opponents. Its hard to be on your game every single week.

Problem is NOBODY wants to play Boise. They see what happens to Oklahoma, Oregon, and more recently Virginia Tech. Boise tries to get AQ conference teams to do a home and home series all the time and they always back out or just want to do a "neutral site" game. Hell, Utah backed out of a series with Boise State so they could continue their rivalry with Dorkwuss U.

Rafiki
10-11-2010, 05:32 PM
On one hand BSU is a non-AQ team. On the other hand, people always say elite team X would go undefeated with that schedule. So what does that make BSU? In my opinion, it makes them an elite team since the comparison has already been made by all the naysayers.

They now own the longest winning streak in Division 1 football. The last time they lost was in 2008, after an undefeated regular season, to TCU. The same TCU they beat last year.

They're now on course for their 4th undefeated regular season in 5 years. Think about that. How hard is it to do that, even with cream puffs? When was the last time this was accomplished in any division of college football?

But they'll always be unworthy to some. They just don't jibe with the hundred-year-long-plus tradition of college football. They're the new guy in the company who wants the top spot and damn the seniority. All they can do is keep proving themselves. Again, again, again and again. Until Mark May and Craig James wipe those **** eating smirks off their faces.

X-Pacolypse
10-11-2010, 05:39 PM
On one hand BSU is a non-AQ team. On the other hand, people always say elite team X would go undefeated with that schedule. So what does that make BSU? In my opinion, it makes them an elite team since the comparison has already been made by all the naysayers.

They now own the longest winning streak in Division 1 football. The last time they lost was in 2008, after an undefeated regular season, to TCU. The same TCU they beat last year.

They're now on course for their 4th undefeated regular season in 5 years. Think about that. How hard is it to do that, even with cream puffs? When was the last time this was accomplished in any division of college football?

But they'll always be unworthy to some. They just don't jibe with the hundred-year-long-plus tradition of college football. They're the new guy in the company who wants the top spot and damn the seniority. All they can do is keep proving themselves. Again, again, again and again. Until Mark May and Craig James wipe those **** eating smirks off their faces.

Preach on!

t2thejz
10-11-2010, 06:42 PM
I really dont know the answer to this but could Boise St. have moved to the Pac-10 if they wanted to with the recent shuffles.

#1dolphinsfan
10-11-2010, 07:15 PM
I am really hoping that Oregon plays for the National Championship

chrisbaucom
10-11-2010, 07:33 PM
Boise needs to do what miami and fsu had to do 30 years ago....travel anywhere and play anybody. Don't expect home and homes because its not happening in a crappy 40,000 seat stadium. The fact is they don't play a tough schedule, they get up for 1 -2 tough games a year. Thats a lot easier than an sec schedule, hell thats easier than an acc schedule.

Rafiki
10-11-2010, 07:59 PM
I really dont know the answer to this but could Boise St. have moved to the Pac-10 if they wanted to with the recent shuffles. They need an invite first. And to get an invite they need a bigger media market. Think about it: why the **** did the Pac 10 invite Colorado? Does it up their BCS numbers? No.

After all is said and done, Boise State will get passed over repeatedly for an AQ conference due to one thing only: money. Money is what college football is about. It isn't about sportsmanship or finding out which team is best. It's about which team representing a big media market can sell the most viewers to advertisers. Period.

Rafiki
10-11-2010, 08:01 PM
Boise needs to do what miami and fsu had to do 30 years ago....travel anywhere and play anybody. Don't expect home and homes because its not happening in a crappy 40,000 seat stadium. The fact is they don't play a tough schedule, they get up for 1 -2 tough games a year. Thats a lot easier than an sec schedule, hell thats easier than an acc schedule.

That's a joke. Yes, all they need to do is schedule harder teams--just like on the playstation!

Mako
10-11-2010, 08:27 PM
They need an invite first. And to get an invite they need a bigger media market. Think about it: why the **** did the Pac 10 invite Colorado? Does it up their BCS numbers? No.

After all is said and done, Boise State will get passed over repeatedly for an AQ conference due to one thing only: money. Money is what college football is about. It isn't about sportsmanship or finding out which team is best. It's about which team representing a big media market can sell the most viewers to advertisers. Period.

Please don't take this as me criticizing Boise State, however what it boils down to (with Colorado getting the invite) is this..

With Colorado, they essentially capture the Denver market, and they get a school with pretty high educational scores.. And they bring the almighty $$$$.. The Pac 10's plan is to get the schools that bring the bucks, and the schools that bring the media markets.

This is the reason they also added Utah.... the market (even though Salt Lake City is truly the cesspool of planet Earth, it IS for some ungodly reason a big media market), the money and the educational standards.

Picture it: the Pac 10 is looking to score a major tv network like what the Big 10 has. Their major hope was to get Texas and Oklahoma to build around (with USC), and to focus around three traditional powerhouse programs. When that fell through, they looked at media market size, money and education, which is why Colorado remained in the picture regardless of whether or not the Big 12 teams made the jump. You include Denver and Salt Lake City to a conference with media markets in LA, Phoenix, Portland, and Seattle..... I think you understand where I'm going with this.

These three things really crushed Boise's chances.

tylerdolphin
10-11-2010, 08:32 PM
That's a joke. Yes, all they need to do is schedule harder teams--just like on the playstation!
Why they cant schedule better opponents isnt really important to this discussion. The fact of the matter is their schedule, for whatever reason, simply isnt up to par with a team from a major conference. Boise is a very good team, but its really not fair to other teams to penalize them for playing real games all year.

chrisbaucom
10-11-2010, 08:34 PM
it's the truth rafiki.....worked for the canes and noles. They weren't kidding themselves, they didn't expect home and homes or ridiculous amounts of money to go play teams, they just showed up and beat them.

TedSlimmJr
10-12-2010, 02:58 PM
A lot of these undefeated teams are going to play each other and cancel each other out....

TCU and Utah are going to play... the loser is out of the national title picture all together...

Nebraska and Oklahoma will play in the Big-12 title game... if both are still undefeated when they meet, the loser is out...period.

The SEC teams are going to continue knocking each other off... LSU and Auburn still have to play each other, and BOTH still have to play Alabama...

Michigan St. and Ohio St. DO NOT play each other...


Ohio St., Boise St, and Oregon have the easiest paths to remain undefeated.... NONE play a conference championship game... a 1 loss SEC team could still very easily end up in the national championship game.. and deservedly so...

Ricky'sWeinerBong
10-12-2010, 04:11 PM
or they stop using computers to determine these things and let the teams play one another. never will happen. as a poster above mentioned, college ball is really more about money than determining which team truly is the best.

TedSlimmJr
10-12-2010, 04:27 PM
or they stop using computers to determine these things and let the teams play one another. never will happen. as a poster above mentioned, college ball is really more about money than determining which team truly is the best.



No... that's what the BCS is about... not what college football is about... I figured the BCS out a decade ago..


Here's the problem with conferences that don't play conference championship games (like the Big-Ten).. Ohio St. and Michigan St. could both be undefeated at the end of the season.. they don't play each other.

They'll just "split" the conference title and the BCS will put Ohio St. in the national championship game based on BCS ranking... meanwhile, Michigan St. will be invited to a meaningless BCS game despite having the same undefeated record (and conference record) as Ohio St...

The Pac-10 won't play a conference championship game either... neither will the WAC (although that would be futile anyway)...


The SEC is 26-6 so far against all the other conferences.... with 4 of those losses coming directly from the 2 worst teams in the conference (Ole Miss and Vandy)... Vandy lost by 2 points to a team that was in the top 25 just a week or so ago (Northwestern)...

Mississippi St. just beat a Houston team that was ranked in the top 25 a couple of weeks ago... absolutely KILLED Houston... Ole Miss hung 55 points on Boise St.'s conference "bellcow" Fresno St... again, we're talking about the 2 WORST teams just inside the SEC West... and THE worst team inside the SEC East...




The SEC West Division alone is a suicide mission.... (Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Mississippi St.).. nevermind having to go on the road to face an SEC East team like South Carolina... or playing Florida at home, etc., etc, etc....



I've always been a proponent of a playoff system... but even then, it's still no comparison.. The schedule that teams from the SEC had to play to QUALIFY for a playoff scenario compared to the joke schedules of teams from other conferences still represents a HUGE gap....


I'm curious to see what else would be left for anyone to whine about when college football adopts a playoff system and two SEC teams STILL end up playing for the national championship... because they were the two best teams to begin with...

Rafiki
10-12-2010, 07:44 PM
Why they cant schedule better opponents isnt really important to this discussion. The fact of the matter is their schedule, for whatever reason, simply isnt up to par with a team from a major conference. Boise is a very good team, but its really not fair to other teams to penalize them for playing real games all year.

So what's the point of the BCS in Division 1 football if all the teams don't have a legitimate chance to get to the championship? It really seems like pundits, coaches, know-it-alls and hacks put a goal up there- they say win all your games. Okay they'll do that. They say, no championship but BCS bowl and prove yourself and maybe later. Okay, they did that twice.

Now they say, regardless of past accomplishments, past records, past BCS wins, the fact that 21 out of 22 starters return from the Fiesta Bowl team that shut down TCU, etc, it'll never be good enough. Too bad, kid. Maybe you should join a AQ conference! Yeah, great idea...

This is the reality of the BCS system. It's completely outrageous. Imagine a professional sports league that had teams which would structurally never have a chance of a championship. It would be shut down IMMEDIATELY.

Rafiki
10-12-2010, 07:48 PM
No... that's what the BCS is about... not what college football is about... I figured the BCS out a decade ago..


Here's the problem with conferences that don't play conference championship games (like the Big-Ten).. Ohio St. and Michigan St. could both be undefeated at the end of the season.. they don't play each other.

They'll just "split" the conference title and the BCS will put Ohio St. in the national championship game based on BCS ranking... meanwhile, Michigan St. will be invited to a meaningless BCS game despite having the same undefeated record (and conference record) as Ohio St...

The Pac-10 won't play a conference championship game either... neither will the WAC (although that would be futile anyway)...


The SEC is 26-6 so far against all the other conferences.... with 4 of those losses coming directly from the 2 worst teams in the conference (Ole Miss and Vandy)... Vandy lost by 2 points to a team that was in the top 25 just a week or so ago (Northwestern)...

Mississippi St. just beat a Houston team that was ranked in the top 25 a couple of weeks ago... absolutely KILLED Houston... Ole Miss hung 55 points on Boise St.'s conference "bellcow" Fresno St... again, we're talking about the 2 WORST teams just inside the SEC West... and THE worst team inside the SEC East...




The SEC West Division alone is a suicide mission.... (Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Mississippi St.).. nevermind having to go on the road to face an SEC East team like South Carolina... or playing Florida at home, etc., etc, etc....



I've always been a proponent of a playoff system... but even then, it's still no comparison.. The schedule that teams from the SEC had to play to QUALIFY for a playoff scenario compared to the joke schedules of teams from other conferences still represents a HUGE gap....


I'm curious to see what else would be left for anyone to whine about when college football adopts a playoff system and two SEC teams STILL end up playing for the national championship... because they were the two best teams to begin with...

How about this: Instead of disbanding the BCS, we take OOC scheduling completely out of the hands of the schools. Instead we have a rotating schedule like the NFL where one season one conference plays another and then rotate from there. Florida would be forced to leave the state to play OOC. Alabama would have to travel to UTEP. Boise would have to travel to Ohio State, etc. Wouldn't that be more fair?

And in a playoff system two SEC teams would never make it. They'd knock eachother out in regional play.

Mako
10-13-2010, 10:58 AM
No... that's what the BCS is about... not what college football is about... I figured the BCS out a decade ago..


Here's the problem with conferences that don't play conference championship games (like the Big-Ten).. Ohio St. and Michigan St. could both be undefeated at the end of the season.. they don't play each other.

They'll just "split" the conference title and the BCS will put Ohio St. in the national championship game based on BCS ranking... meanwhile, Michigan St. will be invited to a meaningless BCS game despite having the same undefeated record (and conference record) as Ohio St...

The Pac-10 won't play a conference championship game either... neither will the WAC (although that would be futile anyway)...


The SEC is 26-6 so far against all the other conferences.... with 4 of those losses coming directly from the 2 worst teams in the conference (Ole Miss and Vandy)... Vandy lost by 2 points to a team that was in the top 25 just a week or so ago (Northwestern)...

Mississippi St. just beat a Houston team that was ranked in the top 25 a couple of weeks ago... absolutely KILLED Houston... Ole Miss hung 55 points on Boise St.'s conference "bellcow" Fresno St... again, we're talking about the 2 WORST teams just inside the SEC West... and THE worst team inside the SEC East...




The SEC West Division alone is a suicide mission.... (Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Mississippi St.).. nevermind having to go on the road to face an SEC East team like South Carolina... or playing Florida at home, etc., etc, etc....



I've always been a proponent of a playoff system... but even then, it's still no comparison.. The schedule that teams from the SEC had to play to QUALIFY for a playoff scenario compared to the joke schedules of teams from other conferences still represents a HUGE gap....


I'm curious to see what else would be left for anyone to whine about when college football adopts a playoff system and two SEC teams STILL end up playing for the national championship... because they were the two best teams to begin with...

Ted, as is now, let's be honest.. Do the two best teams always wind up playing for the National Title under the current system?

If so, Alabama and Florida SHOULD have played last year, with apologies to Texas. Should Oklahoma have got the nod over Texas for the title game two years ago after losing to the Longhorns? Should Nebraska have made the National Title game in 2001 after losing by 26 to Colorado in November, and after not even making the Big 12 title game?

The whole system is flawed. If there is a playoff system and two SEC squads wind up playing for the National Title, I'd have zero complaints.

TedSlimmJr
10-13-2010, 04:56 PM
How about this: Instead of disbanding the BCS, we take OOC scheduling completely out of the hands of the schools. Instead we have a rotating schedule like the NFL where one season one conference plays another and then rotate from there. Florida would be forced to leave the state to play OOC. Alabama would have to travel to UTEP. Boise would have to travel to Ohio State, etc. Wouldn't that be more fair?

And in a playoff system two SEC teams would never make it. They'd knock eachother out in regional play.


I'd actually be more in favor to just go ahead and disband the BCS....:lol:


However, I agree with the THEORY behind your proposal here, it balances things out much more than they are now in terms of the route teams would have to take for the right to play for the title... but only if OOC scheduling is taken out of the hands of the schools and run by the conference commissioners... Otherwise, you still have the same BCS problems reguarding who gets invited to which bowl games (particularly BCS bowls)...

ALL conferences should be required to play conference championship games IMO.... if they refuse, those conferences should be ineligible to play for the national championship. Send them to one of the irrelevant BCS bowls instead...

You MUST decide a conference champion ON the field of play.... that should be first and foremost.



The only way two SEC teams couldn't play each other for the title would be if you structured it that way to begin with.... what's to say that there would be regional elimination to begin with?

The playoff structure and format should be based on seeding, not region.... otherwise, it still just boils down to two SEC teams beating each other up and knocking the other one out of a chance to play for the national championship... we'd just be back where we're at right now.

It doesn't do the SEC any favors, it only benefits the weaker conferences by letting the SEC eliminate each other rather than one of the other conferences having to do it.

HurriPhin
10-13-2010, 05:23 PM
I'm curious to see what else would be left for anyone to whine about when college football adopts a playoff system...

Nothing to complain about. I can't wait. Until then though, crowning a NCAA champion is crap.

TedSlimmJr
10-13-2010, 05:36 PM
Ted, as is now, let's be honest.. Do the two best teams always wind up playing for the National Title under the current system?

If so, Alabama and Florida SHOULD have played last year, with apologies to Texas. Should Oklahoma have got the nod over Texas for the title game two years ago after losing to the Longhorns? Should Nebraska have made the National Title game in 2001 after losing by 26 to Colorado in November, and after not even making the Big 12 title game?

The whole system is flawed. If there is a playoff system and two SEC squads wind up playing for the National Title, I'd have zero complaints.


Absolutely not... I don't think the two best teams ALWAYS wind up playing for the national title under the current system....but 95% of the time they do.

You're preaching to choir here son... I've stated my case against the BCS long ago, and used all of the examples you just spewed back at me...


Hell, for that matter, I don't think the "two best teams" ALWAYS end up playing for the superbowl either... a lot of times it just boils down to whoever gets hot in the playoffs...


..but at least all of the best teams had a CHANCE to win their way to play in the superbowl... which is what we need to accomplish in college football...

Mako
10-14-2010, 09:04 AM
Absolutely not... I don't think the two best teams ALWAYS wind up playing for the national title under the current system....but 95% of the time they do.

I'd say 90 percent, but we're on the same page.

Yet, even in spite of that, every year it seems like there's one or two teams that possibly could stake the "WHAT ABOUT US" claim and a few others with close losses that really cripple their chances.

The playoffs aren't fool proof by any means. Honestly speaking, in the NFL or any other playoff system, the top two seeds wind up making it to the championship game about 60-65 percent of the time. Yet, a playoff would be worlds better than the crap we see now.


You're preaching to choir here son... I've stated my case against the BCS long ago, and used all of the examples you just spewed back at me...

Aight son, but I am only now familiar with your thoughts on the matter, so we're BOTH preaching to the choir it seems and have the same thought process regarding the ineptitude of the BCS.

Flip Tanneflop
10-14-2010, 01:30 PM
Alabama will be in the BCS National Championship Game and WIN IT. Book it.

Nick Saban taught Urban Meyer how to lose a game in October and still win the national championship.

Flip Tanneflop
10-14-2010, 01:39 PM
No... that's what the BCS is about... not what college football is about... I figured the BCS out a decade ago..


Here's the problem with conferences that don't play conference championship games (like the Big-Ten).. Ohio St. and Michigan St. could both be undefeated at the end of the season.. they don't play each other.

They'll just "split" the conference title and the BCS will put Ohio St. in the national championship game based on BCS ranking... meanwhile, Michigan St. will be invited to a meaningless BCS game despite having the same undefeated record (and conference record) as Ohio St...

The Pac-10 won't play a conference championship game either... neither will the WAC (although that would be futile anyway)...


The SEC is 26-6 so far against all the other conferences.... with 4 of those losses coming directly from the 2 worst teams in the conference (Ole Miss and Vandy)... Vandy lost by 2 points to a team that was in the top 25 just a week or so ago (Northwestern)...

Mississippi St. just beat a Houston team that was ranked in the top 25 a couple of weeks ago... absolutely KILLED Houston... Ole Miss hung 55 points on Boise St.'s conference "bellcow" Fresno St... again, we're talking about the 2 WORST teams just inside the SEC West... and THE worst team inside the SEC East...




The SEC West Division alone is a suicide mission.... (Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Mississippi St.).. nevermind having to go on the road to face an SEC East team like South Carolina... or playing Florida at home, etc., etc, etc....



I've always been a proponent of a playoff system... but even then, it's still no comparison.. The schedule that teams from the SEC had to play to QUALIFY for a playoff scenario compared to the joke schedules of teams from other conferences still represents a HUGE gap....


I'm curious to see what else would be left for anyone to whine about when college football adopts a playoff system and two SEC teams STILL end up playing for the national championship... because they were the two best teams to begin with...

Dr. Slimm FTMFW!!!!!!!