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Jersey DolFan
11-24-2010, 04:28 AM
have been building for years with the same philosophy as we are building now...with parcells coaching tree HC's ...

mangini drafted several of the jets core players and feilded decent teams but never quite got it done


Pats same thing and look they are NEVER out of contention.

Parcells himself also coached both these teams.


the miami dolphins are 2 years removed from a 1-15 season , and being one of the most gutted and deflated franchises in the league.

the dissappointment this year comes more from fans with way too high expectations than from an actual chance at true contention. most of us realistic people predicted an 8-8 or 9-7 season. we have GREAT building blocks on this team...tons of young guys gelling 2gether and forming a formitable team.

the building isnt over and we jsut arent that good yet .... if we GUT this whole front office and coaching staff we area only starting over froms cratch again. i just hope ross isnt as silly and whiny as most of you fans.

Jimi
11-24-2010, 09:05 AM
I tend to agree, but its a tough sell to the fans after some of the garbage we witnessed this year. I happen to think that Henning may be so inept that most of the problems might be directly his fault. My idea situation would not be to gut the FO just fire Henning tomorrow. If Sparanos not here next year though, im not losin any sleep.

JB1089
11-24-2010, 09:49 AM
The Pats are where they are now because Tom Brady is their QB. They got lucky and found him in the 6th round.

The Jets were mediocre for years after Parcells left, with a revolving door at QB. Then we traded up to draft Sanchez. He starts fast, struggles through the middle of the year, then comes on again at the end. We get to the AFCCG. Next year, he continues to progress and we're one of the best teams in the league.

A strong core isn't worth much without a quarterback to lead it.

erasmus
11-24-2010, 10:41 AM
This is what? The fifth year of a three year rebuilding plan? Everyone on this site has been talking about rebuilding through the draft, and doing it "right". Does not see to be working out too well to me.

Dmarino110
11-24-2010, 10:48 AM
have been building for years with the same philosophy as we are building now...with parcells coaching tree HC's ...

mangini drafted several of the jets core players and feilded decent teams but never quite got it done


Pats same thing and look they are NEVER out of contention.

Parcells himself also coached both these teams.


the miami dolphins are 2 years removed from a 1-15 season , and being one of the most gutted and deflated franchises in the league.

the dissappointment this year comes more from fans with way too high expectations than from an actual chance at true contention. most of us realistic people predicted an 8-8 or 9-7 season. we have GREAT building blocks on this team...tons of young guys gelling 2gether and forming a formitable team.

the building isnt over and we jsut arent that good yet .... if we GUT this whole front office and coaching staff we area only starting over froms cratch again. i just hope ross isnt as silly and whiny as most of you fans.
You know what, it seems like we have been rebuilding every year since 2000...you know what the difference between now and the last time we werent rebuilding? A FRANCHISE FRIGGEN QB. A QB WE DRAFTED IN THE 1ST ROUND.

SuperMarksBros.
11-24-2010, 10:52 AM
This isnt about expectations, its about a lack of progress. 2008 was a mirage and many could see that. Record low turnovers, completely healthy, ridiculous schedule. I even overlooked the cutesy Pat White reach becasue most of the rest of that draft appeared solid. Last year most of us expected the team to be better, but the record wouldnt reflect that, and it didnt. Despite the losing record, we had a ton of building blocking including a potential QB.

This year is a joke. I think that the staff went into conservative "time to save our jobs" mode the second Parcells walked out. Playcalling has been laughable, Henne was handcuffed, Sparano and co all too eager to settle for FGs. I havent even gotten to the special teams debacles. Henning should have been canned long ago and wasnt, same with Bonamego. This FO is far to loyal to their friends, who arent getting it done. They're looking over their shoulders, coaching scared. Its Wannstedt and Spielman all over again.

sleeps w/fishes
11-24-2010, 10:52 AM
mangini drafted several of the jets core players and feilded decent teams but never quite got it done.

Sparano reminds me of Mangini, besides just being fat and Italian. Both were good guys to bring in to "change the culture," but I don't think either is a "next level" guy. Sparano will get the team to play hard, but I think another year of him at the helm will be another year of spinning wheels.

And as has been mentioned, the real key is getting a QB. Is Henne that guy under another OC? It's frustrating, because he might be. If Sparano and Henne is the team next year, figure that they only have that one year to prove they can be the team going forward. No way can they drag out the experiment another year.

Meanwhile the Pats still have Brady and Beli, and the Jets look to be on the right track with Rex & Sanchez.

DolfanISS
11-24-2010, 11:11 AM
The Pats are where they are now because Tom Brady is their QB. They got lucky and found him in the 6th round.

The Jets were mediocre for years after Parcells left, with a revolving door at QB. Then we traded up to draft Sanchez. He starts fast, struggles through the middle of the year, then comes on again at the end. We get to the AFCCG. Next year, he continues to progress and we're one of the best teams in the league.

A strong core isn't worth much without a quarterback to lead it.
You are so right! I live in New England and I have to say it’s truly remarkable what the Patriots do year in and year out and of course for a Fins fan it’s frustrating. This is probably why sometimes I’m such a negative nelly on here, this is probably where I take out my of my football frustration. The Patriots traded away their 2nd best offensive player, have the 29th or 30th ranked pass defense in the NFL. They have RB’s who really aren’t that talented, one of which wasn’t good enough to make the Jets. There WR’s are made up of a guy coming off an ACL tear and another guy they just should have paid 6 years ago and their deep threat is pretty much non-existent most of the time. Seriously I keep my happy face on when talking to Pats fans about football, “nice win by the Pats Sunday” but inside it kills me. If I hear another Pats fan bragging to me about Danny Woodhead I’m probably going to lose it. To rub salt in your wounds Belechick takes your re-treads then kicks your *** with them. I’m telling you right now Ronnie Brown to New England will be an absolute disaster for us if it happens, just wait. Tom Brady and bill Belechick just keep churning out wins regardless of who they put on the field. It’s unbelievable.

Here are some other reasons why I think they do this, Brady of course, like you said, is the biggest. Continuity on the O-line, we have almost none, in 3 seasons we’ve had 3 G-C-G combos that sucks. New Englands has been the same with minor exceptions and any guy they’ve inserted had pretty much been developed by them. Even now their RT, Nick Kaczur, is out for the season so Vollmer plays RT I think he is Matt Lights heir apparent so they already are developing their future LT. There TE’s are all specialists. This is a very important position to BB and it’s so unimportant to us we came into the season with one known commodity and all crap after that. You have the all around in Gronk, the pass catcher in Hernandez and the blocker in Crumpler. They also have either Faulk, who got hurt, and now the greatest player to ever show up in Foxboro in Woodhead to create mismatches in the passing game as well. You see the Patriots don’t do the crap we do like, we’re a power running team and that’s that, we will play to our strengths and that’s it. No instead they identify weaknesses and mismatches and attack them. It’s smart football. Trying to force your philosophy on a your team is crap, your game plan should be all about the other team and NE’s always is. Look how they always play Pittsburgh, do they run into the brick wall? No, they spread them out and beat them with short quick passes then mix in the run and Pittsburgh couldn’t stop that either.

OK enough about NE. I’ll tell you (blasphemy) I’d rather see the Jets win the AFC East then the Patriots again. I just can’t take it anymore.

datruth55
11-24-2010, 11:12 AM
have been building for years with the same philosophy as we are building now...with parcells coaching tree HC's ...


Not entirely true. Pats have traded for players for years, especially at the WR position where they have struck out in the draft more often than not. Brandon Tate is their first productive draft pick at the WR position in years and they really only use him as a return guy. Welker was traded for, Moss was traded for (and then traded away), Branch they traded back for (from Seattle after trading him there)...Gaffney when he was there was a free agent pickup, Stallworth the same...look at their roster...Sammy Morris FA pickup, Ben Green-Ellis UDFA, Quinn Olinnaka FA pickup, Alge Crumpler FA pickup, Wes Welker traded for, Deion Branch traded for, Kyle Arrington FA pickup, Gerard Warren FA pickup, Mike Wright UDFA, Rob Ninkovich FA pickup...that's 10 of their starting 22 that were traded for, signed as free agents or were undrafted free agents. The Pats are very good at recognizing talent that fits their scheme, they take other peoples cast-offs and turn them into productive players. We haven't been able to do that because our coaching isn't as good.

The Jets have done a lot of the same things except they trade for much higher profile players or sign them in free agency...guys like Braylon Edwards, Santonio Holmes, Bart Scott, Damien Woody, Kris Jenkins, Trevor Pryce, Calvin Pace, Brodney Pool, Jim Leonhard...that's 9 of their starting 22. And of course they traded up to get Sanchez too. Jets are much more aggressive then we are.

By comparison we have 8 of our 22 who were free agent pickups or traded for (if you count Berger even though he started out with us originally) and the only high profile ones would be Dansby and Marshall. Dolphins have focused mainly on the draft where the Pats and Jets will aggressively look anywhere to fill needs and IMO we're not in a position to do that right now. The foundation of the Dolphins is built through the draft while the foundation of the Pats and Jets are mainly from free agents and trades.

nyjunc
11-24-2010, 11:15 AM
The Pats are where they are now because Tom Brady is their QB. They got lucky and found him in the 6th round.

The Jets were mediocre for years after Parcells left, with a revolving door at QB. Then we traded up to draft Sanchez. He starts fast, struggles through the middle of the year, then comes on again at the end. We get to the AFCCG. Next year, he continues to progress and we're one of the best teams in the league.

A strong core isn't worth much without a quarterback to lead it.

The Jets were not mediocre for years, we had a couple of down seasons w/ QB injuries but we have been one of the better AFC teams since BP took over in '97 and we got better after he left. BP left the organization after the 2000 season:

since 2001 playoff apps:

Indy: 8
NE: 7
Pitt: 6
NYJ: 5
Bal: 5
SD: 5
Ten: 4
Den: 3
Mia: 2
oak: 2
Cin: 2
Jax: 2
KC: 2
Cle: 1
Buf: 0
Hou: 0



Only 3 AFC teams have more playoff apps since 2001.

datruth55
11-24-2010, 11:18 AM
This is what? The fifth year of a three year rebuilding plan? Everyone on this site has been talking about rebuilding through the draft, and doing it "right". Does not see to be working out too well to me.

It's not working out well for you because you have no patience. Rookies take time to develop. It's rare to have rookies make a huge impact in their first season unless everyone around them is doing their part. Jake Long made an impact from the start but his position isn't flashy and doesn't directly put points on the board. It's normally 3 years before a player really starts to show what they have. Unfortunately since our roster was so crappy and basically devoid of real veteran leadership and playmakers the rookies had no support system to help them develop and cover up their mistakes/weaknesses.

Valandui
11-24-2010, 11:20 AM
I'm sorry, did I miss where Sanchez is all of the sudden a good QB? It seems to me that the only thing he really does is try his best not to screw up the victory their defense sets up for him. He is in Trent Dilfer territory.

DolfanISS
11-24-2010, 11:21 AM
i'm sorry, did i miss where sanchez is all of the sudden a good qb? It seems to me that the only thing he really does is try his best not to screw up the victory their defense sets up for him. He is in trent dilfer territory.

denial!

datruth55
11-24-2010, 11:23 AM
I'm sorry, did I miss where Sanchez is all of the sudden a good QB? It seems to me that the only thing he really does is try his best not to screw up the victory their defense sets up for him. He is in Trent Dilfer territory.

He's not elite by any means and I still consider his accuracy marginal completing just over 50% of his passes but what he does well is throw the ball down field and the Jets are smart enough to take advantage of that fact. Funny what an OC who designs plays to his players strength can do for an offense.

nyjunc
11-24-2010, 11:27 AM
I'm sorry, did I miss where Sanchez is all of the sudden a good QB? It seems to me that the only thing he really does is try his best not to screw up the victory their defense sets up for him. He is in Trent Dilfer territory.

Clearly you have missed, he is not only good he is playing like one of the best in the league.


He's not elite by any means and I still consider his accuracy marginal completing just over 50% of his passes but what he does well is throw the ball down field and the Jets are smart enough to take advantage of that fact. Funny what an OC who designs plays to his players strength can do for an offense.

A low comp % does not mean a QB has accuracy issues. He throws the ball down the field alot and those passes are completed less often than the Henne dump offs. mark is a vety accurate passer, did you see that 40+ yd pass to Edwards down the sideline to set up the GW TD? You will never see a better, more accurate thrown ball.

ReppinThe941
11-24-2010, 11:41 AM
The Jets were not mediocre for years, we had a couple of down seasons w/ QB injuries but we have been one of the better AFC teams since BP took over in '97 and we got better after he left. BP left the organization after the 2000 season:

since 2001 playoff apps:

Indy: 8
NE: 7
Pitt: 6
NYJ: 5
Bal: 5
SD: 5
Ten: 4
Den: 3
Mia: 2
oak: 2
Cin: 2
Jax: 2
KC: 2
Cle: 1
Buf: 0
Hou: 0



Only 3 AFC teams have more playoff apps since 2001.

You have been mediocre. Sure you have 5 playoff appearances since 2000, but you won the division one time (and have only won it two times since 1970). You only got past the divisional round one time and that was last year when the Colts rolled over, then they decided to kick your arse in the championship game. The three teams right above you all have at least one ring. Since 2000 we (Phins) have three appearances, 2 divisional titles, and the same number of losing seasons as the jests.

So your saying the Jets have not been mediocre yet you have only been slightly better than us and this is the worst era EVER in Dolphins football history.

Jests have been mediocre, and you will have another playoff let down this season.

Send Rex my regards.

EEP

Dredd1050
11-24-2010, 11:46 AM
I just think a lot of us (me included) are frustrated and angry because there has really been no improvement week to week and it seems like the Miami coaching staff is out schemed on both sides of the ball week in and out. I am also seeing teams like Jax and KC really improving and ask "why not Miami?". I feel this team is no better than 8-8, it just really frustrated me watching them get there.

DolfanISS
11-24-2010, 11:52 AM
My 2 biggest offseaqson pet peeves are what I think have plagued us the most.

1. Changing the interior of the oline.
2. Roster churning at the bottom, special teams players. Let's face it we fired a coach and still had isues until we got rid of Bobbie Carpenter. Carpenter made some decent plays for us on defense (stuff of AP was really HUGE) but he was obviously not cut out to play the spot on Special teams he was manning. Coaching FUBAR to stick him out there time after time.

nyjunc
11-24-2010, 11:54 AM
You have been mediocre. Sure you have 5 playoff appearances since 2000, but you won the division one time (and have only won it two times since 1970). You only got past the divisional round one time and that was last year when the Colts rolled over, then they decided to kick your arse in the championship game. The three teams right above you all have at least one ring. Since 2000 we (Phins) have three appearances, 2 divisional titles, and the same number of losing seasons as the jests.

So your saying the Jets have not been mediocre yet you have only been slightly better than us and this is the worst era EVER in Dolphins football history.

Jests have been mediocre, and you will have another playoff let down this season.

Send Rex my regards.

EEP

How is making the 4th most playoff apps mediocre?

Those 3 apps are still les than 5, right? and your 1 playoff wins since 2000 is less than 4, right? and your zero div rd wins is less than our 1, right?

We have been one of the better teams in the AFC since 1997 and this year we might be the best in the AFC.

When was our last playoff letdown? Wouldn't you guys love to have a "letdown" like making a surprise run to the title game? You guys haven't been close tot he title game since 1994 and haven't made a title game sine 1992.

DolfanISS
11-24-2010, 11:57 AM
Guys give up, NYJUNC is right and as long as the jets keep pulling games out of their keisters he's going to continue to be right. not knocking the wins juncy, I would take them any way they come. Personally if it comes down to the Jets and NE or Baltimore, I'll be rooting for the Jets. I can't take New England anymore and just hate the Ravens.

aesop
11-24-2010, 12:09 PM
Guys give up, NYJUNC is right and as long as the jets keep pulling games out of their keisters he's going to continue to be right. not knocking the wins juncy, I would take them any way they come. Personally if it comes down to the Jets and NE or Baltimore, I'll be rooting for the Jets. I can't take New England anymore and just hate the Ravens.Root for the Jets? I'll root for whoever isn't the Jets or Patriots. Imagine having to listen to Rex Ryan after a Super Bowl appearance..

Dredd1050
11-24-2010, 12:09 PM
Personally if it comes down to the Jets and NE or Baltimore, I'll be rooting for the Jets. I can't take New England anymore and just hate the Ravens.

NEVER! If it was root for the jets or we're taking your kid, I stop wearing condoms when bangin my wife!! :)

DolfanISS
11-24-2010, 12:11 PM
yeah well you guys don't live in New England. You don't have to listen to how great Danny Woodhead and Wes Welker are every fing day. Screw the Pats 100% regardless of who they play. i had one Pats fan try to tell me the Dolphins miss Sammie morris and he;s a better backup then Ricky Williams.

I'm sick of baltimore too because on this site they are just sooo great.

ReppinThe941
11-24-2010, 12:21 PM
How is making the 4th most playoff apps mediocre?

Those 3 apps are still les than 5, right? and your 1 playoff wins since 2000 is less than 4, right? and your zero div rd wins is less than our 1, right?

We have been one of the better teams in the AFC since 1997 and this year we might be the best in the AFC.

When was our last playoff letdown? Wouldn't you guys love to have a "letdown" like making a surprise run to the title game? You guys haven't been close tot he title game since 1994 and haven't made a title game sine 1992.
If you read my above post I stated this was the worst era ever in Dolphins history. I even completely capped it for you so you wouldn't miss it, yet you still did.

4th most playoff app + ZERO SB appearances = Mediocre. *(Colts-1) *(Pats-3) *(Steelers-2) *Denotes Team and number of SB wins :)

So a good team goes 2002-playoffs, 2003- 6-10, 2004 - playoffs, 2005 - 4-12, 2006 - Playoffs, 2007 4-12 ?

For someone talking about there best decade ever, that's pretty flipping inconsistent.

If you even want to go back in complete history its no contest.

Your Record this decade is only slightly better than ours. Sure you have more playoff success but what do you have to show for it? At least we have more Divisional Championships.

Fact of the matter is you have been a mediocre team this decade, because whats most important in the NFL in consistency, and you guys have consistently been inconsistent.

This may be your best team you have had in a long time and I personaly believe Pitt, Bal, and NE are better teams.

Just get ready for another playoff letdown brew, and when it happens, Ill be here to say i told you so.

EEP

nyjunc
11-24-2010, 12:22 PM
Root for the Jets? I'll root for whoever isn't the Jets or Patriots. Imagine having to listen to Rex Ryan after a Super Bowl appearance..

I really hope we see that, I want to see what he's going to do:D

ReppinThe941
11-24-2010, 12:24 PM
Guys give up, NYJUNC is right and as long as the jets keep pulling games out of their keisters he's going to continue to be right. not knocking the wins juncy, I would take them any way they come. Personally if it comes down to the Jets and NE or Baltimore, I'll be rooting for the Jets. I can't take New England anymore and just hate the Ravens.
So Numbnuts is right because his team is winning? That actually has nothing to do with mine and his conversation, but thank you so much for throwing in your highly valued two Cents.


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I really hope we see that, I want to see what he's going to do:D
Prob would look like Squidward after he eats all those crappy pattys that one episode lol.

DolfanISS
11-24-2010, 12:26 PM
So Numbnuts is right because his team is winning? That actually has nothing to do with mine and his conversation, but thank you so much for throwing in your highly valued two sense.

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Prob would look like Squidward after he eats all those crappy pattys that one episode lol.

Anytime I can offer my two CENTS let me know. I apologize for not following the conversation. I personally don't care who's been better, worse, consistent or inconsistent in the last decade us or the Jets. It doesn't make me feel any better if the Jets sucked or haven't sucked since 2000. I only care bout right now and going forward and the jets are easily in better position than we are. Why don't we just bring up the unbeaten season that occurred 38 years ago while we are at it? We can still hang our hats on that.

nyjunc
11-24-2010, 12:27 PM
If you read my above post I stated this was the worst era ever in Dolphins history. I even completely capped it for you so you wouldn't miss it, yet you still did.

4th most playoff app + ZERO SB appearances = Mediocre. *(Colts-1) *(Pats-3) *(Steelers-2) *Denotes Team and number of SB wins :)

So a good team goes 2002-playoffs, 2003- 6-10, 2004 - playoffs, 2005 - 4-12, 2006 - Playoffs, 2007 4-12 ?

For someone talking about there best decade ever, that's pretty flipping inconsistent.

If you even want to go back in complete history its no contest.

Your Record this decade is only slightly better than ours. Sure you have more playoff success but what do you have to show for it? At least we have more Divisional Championships.

Fact of the matter is you have been a mediocre team this decade, because whats most important in the NFL in consistency, and you guys have consistently been inconsistent.

This may be your best team you have had in a long time and I personaly believe Pitt, Bal, and NE are better teams.

Just get ready for another playoff letdown brew, and when it happens, Ill be here to say i told you so.

EEP

Who brought up the 70s and 80s? who is brining up histories? It's great that Miami was better from the 70s through the mid 90s but that is ancient history. The discussion was about the 2000s and in the 2000s we were one of the better AFC teams, you called us mediocre but the 4th bst team in terms of playoff apps is not mediocre.

Have fun watching old highlights of the 70s and 80s when Miami had great teams, i'll enjoy my team right now and in the coming years.


Where are all these playoff letdowns? What playoff game have we been favored in that e lost in recent years?

aesop
11-24-2010, 12:28 PM
I really hope we see that, I want to see what he's going to do:DProbably flash his D-cups and jump up and down saying "Cheesy bread" for 10 minutes.

utahphinsfan
11-24-2010, 12:30 PM
I tend to agree, but its a tough sell to the fans after some of the garbage we witnessed this year. I happen to think that Henning may be so inept that most of the problems might be directly his fault. My idea situation would not be to gut the FO just fire Henning tomorrow. If Sparanos not here next year though, im not losin any sleep.

Well said. I agree 100%.

I will root for the Pats before the jest & prefer Ravens to those 2. If Miami is totally out of it then Indy is my 2nd choice.

ReppinThe941
11-24-2010, 12:30 PM
Anytime I can offer my two CENTS let me know.
lol good catch on that typo homie. Way to live up to that rep.

nyjunc
11-24-2010, 12:31 PM
So Numbnuts is right because his team is winning? That actually has nothing to do with mine and his conversation, but thank you so much for throwing in your highly valued two sense.

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Prob would look like Squidward after he eats all those crappy pattys that one episode lol.

Now you have gone too far, making fun of crabby patties??!!:lol:

Akronfinfan36
11-24-2010, 12:34 PM
So Numbnuts is right because his team is winning? That actually has nothing to do with mine and his conversation, but thank you so much for throwing in your highly valued two sense.

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Prob would look like Squidward after he eats all those crappy pattys that one episode lol.

I love that episode! Especially when Spongebob gets the ****eating grin on his face once he realizes that Squiddy loves crabbie patties. I admit...I watch Spongebob...with my kids.

utahphinsfan
11-24-2010, 12:37 PM
have been building for years with the same philosophy as we are building now...with parcells coaching tree HC's ...

mangini drafted several of the jets core players and feilded decent teams but never quite got it done


Pats same thing and look they are NEVER out of contention.

Parcells himself also coached both these teams.


the miami dolphins are 2 years removed from a 1-15 season , and being one of the most gutted and deflated franchises in the league.

the dissappointment this year comes more from fans with way too high expectations than from an actual chance at true contention. most of us realistic people predicted an 8-8 or 9-7 season. we have GREAT building blocks on this team...tons of young guys gelling 2gether and forming a formitable team.

the building isnt over and we jsut arent that good yet .... if we GUT this whole front office and coaching staff we area only starting over froms cratch again. i just hope ross isnt as silly and whiny as most of you fans.

In retrospect, The jest did not get a franchise QB and then build around him? How dare they? Don't tell WV.

ReppinThe941
11-24-2010, 12:40 PM
Who brought up the 70s and 80s? who is brining up histories? It's great that Miami was better from the 70s through the mid 90s but that is ancient history. The discussion was about the 2000s and in the 2000s we were one of the better AFC teams, you called us mediocre but the 4th bst team in terms of playoff apps is not mediocre.

Have fun watching old highlights of the 70s and 80s when Miami had great teams, i'll enjoy my team right now and in the coming years.


Where are all these playoff letdowns? What playoff game have we been favored in that e lost in recent years?

I believe if you read your previous post you so elegantly threw my way you will see where you begin to rehash and go back to the mid-early 90s. I know its very difficult to remember the nonsense you spew out of your mouth that you call a post, so i wont dwell on that any longer.
I simply said "History" not "70s and 80s", ok now im really done with that. lol.

Sure your 4th best in terms of playoff appearances but your TIED FOR LAST IN SB WINS this decade! WOOT! Did you catch that? I REALLY CAPPED IT OUT FOR YOU SO YOU DON'T MISS IT.

Jets - 5 Appearances, ZERO SB Appearances
Phins - 3 Appearances, ZERO SB Appearances

You don't know what a playoff letdown is?
Well I for one am extremely hardcore and whenever we do make the tourney I get my hopes up big time. I could not care less what people say and who is favored. Any given Sunday. Losing in the Tourney = Playoff Letdown.

EEP

ReppinThe941
11-24-2010, 12:42 PM
I love that episode! Especially when Spongebob gets the ****eating grin on his face once he realizes that Squiddy loves crabbie patties. I admit...I watch Spongebob...with my kids.
Dang dude im 20 and I still love to grind out an episode of SB when ever I can! Oh i also really enjoy Phineas and Ferb, that show is boss!

Akronfinfan36
11-24-2010, 12:47 PM
Tom Brady notwithstanding, I am going to go out on a limb and suggest that, over the past 3-4 years, the Jets and Pats organizations have been better than the Dolphins in both stockpiling talent through the draft and via free agency.

Over that same time, the Jets coaching staffs versus the Dolphins coaching staffs? Maybe a wash?

The Pats coaching staffs versus the Dolphins coaching staffs? Big advantage to the Pats.

That is why the Dolphins are mired in crap and the Jets and Pats are moving forward.

nyjunc
11-24-2010, 12:59 PM
I believe if you read your previous post you so elegantly threw my way you will see where you begin to rehash and go back to the mid-early 90s. I know its very difficult to remember the nonsense you spew out of your mouth that you call a post, so i wont dwell on that any longer.
I simply said "History" not "70s and 80s", ok now im really done with that. lol.

Sure your 4th best in terms of playoff appearances but your TIED FOR LAST IN SB WINS this decade! WOOT! Did you catch that? I REALLY CAPPED IT OUT FOR YOU SO YOU DON'T MISS IT.

Jets - 5 Appearances, ZERO SB Appearances
Phins - 3 Appearances, ZERO SB Appearances

You don't know what a playoff letdown is?
Well I for one am extremely hardcore and whenever we do make the tourney I get my hopes up big time. I could not care less what people say and who is favored. Any given Sunday. Losing in the Tourney = Playoff Letdown.

EEP

I was making a point about Miami not making a title game sicne 1992 and not being close since 1994.



Using your criteria, if we win the SB this year we will be the better all time franchise since we would be 2-0 in SBs and you guys would be 2-3. I hope to see you in feb saying this if we are lucky enough to win it.

sleeps w/fishes
11-24-2010, 01:14 PM
So a good team goes 2002-playoffs, 2003- 6-10, 2004 - playoffs, 2005 - 4-12, 2006 - Playoffs, 2007 4-12 ?

For someone talking about there best decade ever, that's pretty flipping inconsistent.

It has been. The Jets went thru a number of coaches and QB's over that period of time, while the Pats dominated the decade with consistency because they had Belichick and Brady.

Jets are in the second year of Ryan and Sanchez. The first year they reached the AFC Championship game, and this year they're currently tied with best record in football. It looks like the Jets may have found the coach/QB combo that works for them.

Meanwhile, Miami has Sparano and Henne. Or Thigpen. Or draft pick #1.

Until Miami figures out the coach/QB thing, they're going to be consistently in third place in the AFCe. If they bet on Sparano and Henne again next year, they better hope they're right. Otherwise, they'll just be another year behind.

satz
11-24-2010, 01:59 PM
I am curious about this rebuilding plan when the pats defence plays - 4 rookies and 4 second yr and 1 3rd yr player.rebuilding

offence - 2 rookies and 2 second yr player.

walt
11-24-2010, 02:00 PM
You are so right! I live in New England and I have to say itís truly remarkable what the Patriots do year in and year out and of course for a Fins fan itís frustrating. This is probably why sometimes Iím such a negative nelly on here, this is probably where I take out my of my football frustration. The Patriots traded away their 2nd best offensive player, have the 29th or 30th ranked pass defense in the NFL. They have RBís who really arenít that talented, one of which wasnít good enough to make the Jets. There WRís are made up of a guy coming off an ACL tear and another guy they just should have paid 6 years ago and their deep threat is pretty much non-existent most of the time. Seriously I keep my happy face on when talking to Pats fans about football, ďnice win by the Pats SundayĒ but inside it kills me. If I hear another Pats fan bragging to me about Danny Woodhead Iím probably going to lose it. To rub salt in your wounds Belechick takes your re-treads then kicks your *** with them. Iím telling you right now Ronnie Brown to New England will be an absolute disaster for us if it happens, just wait. Tom Brady and bill Belechick just keep churning out wins regardless of who they put on the field. Itís unbelievable.

Here are some other reasons why I think they do this, Brady of course, like you said, is the biggest. Continuity on the O-line, we have almost none, in 3 seasons weíve had 3 G-C-G combos that sucks. New Englands has been the same with minor exceptions and any guy theyíve inserted had pretty much been developed by them. Even now their RT, Nick Kaczur, is out for the season so Vollmer plays RT I think he is Matt Lights heir apparent so they already are developing their future LT. There TEís are all specialists. This is a very important position to BB and itís so unimportant to us we came into the season with one known commodity and all crap after that. You have the all around in Gronk, the pass catcher in Hernandez and the blocker in Crumpler. They also have either Faulk, who got hurt, and now the greatest player to ever show up in Foxboro in Woodhead to create mismatches in the passing game as well. You see the Patriots donít do the crap we do like, weíre a power running team and thatís that, we will play to our strengths and thatís it. No instead they identify weaknesses and mismatches and attack them. Itís smart football. Trying to force your philosophy on a your team is crap, your game plan should be all about the other team and NEís always is. Look how they always play Pittsburgh, do they run into the brick wall? No, they spread them out and beat them with short quick passes then mix in the run and Pittsburgh couldnít stop that either.

OK enough about NE. Iíll tell you (blasphemy) Iíd rather see the Jets win the AFC East then the Patriots again. I just canít take it anymore.

Great Post! I also live in the home of that enemy, and see it the same way. I'd also add that the Pats have consistently focused on adding team guys who care most about winning, and especially true grit gamers who lack measurables. That's why they acquired our own Wes Welker, and keep using him to kick our ***. Now they've done it again with Woodhead. And how about Ninkovich, who we got rid of. They would never have brought in a ME guy like Marshall. It's true that they stepped out of that model with Moss, but only because he's the greatest WR talent of all time, and they got him for a 4th round pick, not two second rounders. When he became a distraction, they cut the cord quick.

We had one of these true grit gamers without measurables for the past couple years named Greg Camarillo, and we traded him away for s**it. That's when I lost it.

Patrick_Bateman
11-24-2010, 02:13 PM
A strong core isn't worth much without a quarterback to lead it.

And this is what I think most of us are pissed off about (besides poor playcalling in general on offense). Over a decade of below average QBs in Miami - at some point you man up, roll the ****ing dice, trade up if you have to, but select a goddamn QB with a ceiling high enough to lead your franchise for the next decade or so. If you fail fine, then you keep at it. But to quote Wayne Gretzky "you miss 100% of the shots you don't take". That pretty much sums up our QB situation since Marino, and will continue to describe us until we start taking those shots.

DeathStar
11-24-2010, 02:44 PM
many of the pats starters are 1 and 2 year players...

BB knows how to pick players...we ****ing don't.

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oh and the pats have belicheck picking their players and the jets have ryan/tannabeam...

we have morons.

DeathStar
11-24-2010, 02:45 PM
people on this site LOVE defending mediocrity...WHY?

SabanHater
11-24-2010, 03:17 PM
yeah... and drafting players like John Beck, Ted Ginn, Pat White, Pat Turner and all the other whiffs didn't have too much to do with our current situation.... The Pats are the best when it comes to the draft, and that's why they are the best in the league right now. They rarely miss. We perfected missing players in the draft.

miamiron
11-24-2010, 03:39 PM
have been building for years with the same philosophy as we are building now...with parcells coaching tree HC's ...

mangini drafted several of the jets core players and feilded decent teams but never quite got it done


Pats same thing and look they are NEVER out of contention.

Parcells himself also coached both these teams.


the miami dolphins are 2 years removed from a 1-15 season , and being one of the most gutted and deflated franchises in the league.

the dissappointment this year comes more from fans with way too high expectations than from an actual chance at true contention. most of us realistic people predicted an 8-8 or 9-7 season. we have GREAT building blocks on this team...tons of young guys gelling 2gether and forming a formitable team.

the building isnt over and we jsut arent that good yet .... if we GUT this whole front office and coaching staff we area only starting over froms cratch again. i just hope ross isnt as silly and whiny as most of you fans.


Who are our playmakers,who are our game changers
I'm not seeing any one that fits the profile
teams do not have to game plan against our offense
No one on this offense scares anyone

nyjunc
11-24-2010, 03:57 PM
yeah... and drafting players like John Beck, Ted Ginn, Pat White, Pat Turner and all the other whiffs didn't have too much to do with our current situation.... The Pats are the best when it comes to the draft, and that's why they are the best in the league right now. They rarely miss. We perfected missing players in the draft.

The Pats have Tom Brady. THAT is why they are always good. This year's draft looks like a good one, it is their first good draft in 5-6 years.

truthbtold
11-24-2010, 04:03 PM
I'm sorry, did I miss where Sanchez is all of the sudden a good QB? It seems to me that the only thing he really does is try his best not to screw up the victory their defense sets up for him. He is in Trent Dilfer territory.

Do you have any idea how dumb that sounds?? have you been in a coma for the past month?

vs Broncos ... leads team down field for winning TD in last minute.

vs Lions ... leads team down field for TD ... gets ball back ... leads team down field again for tyng FG in last minute ... gets ball in OT ... incomplete ... 52 yard slant to Holmes ... game over thanks for showing up.

vs Browns ... gets ball at midfield with only 24 seconds left in OT ... TD pass to Holmes .... game over ... thanks for showing up.

Vs Texans ... 49 seconds left in game ... no timeouts from his own 23 ... LT once ... LT twice ... Braylon down the sideline ... fade to Holmes with 10 seconds left ... thanks for showing up.

Apparently you missed alot. Jets COULD have lost all four of those games ...
but we didn't lose any of them because our QB was the best player on the field when it mattered most.
If you're on the other side, you better not be within one score of us if we have the ball late in the game ...
because you're probably about to lose.

Are you caught up now?

Miamifins2381
11-24-2010, 04:59 PM
The Pats have Tom Brady. THAT is why they are always good. This year's draft looks like a good one, it is their first good draft in 5-6 years.
Its funny how expectations change. Im sure two years ago as a jet fan it was a bummer not to make the playoffs. now you guys have a legit chance at the SB, so if for a reason you guys dont win it you will probly go through a just a sad of a faze like we are now. Thats why ima be rooting my heart out for the colts or ravens. Just no Steelers, Jets or Pats in the superbowl and im good.

WesternNYDolfan
11-24-2010, 05:10 PM
This is what? The fifth year of a three year rebuilding plan? Everyone on this site has been talking about rebuilding through the draft, and doing it "right". Does not see to be working out too well to me.

No this is is the third year of a 5 year rebuilding plan

nyjunc
11-24-2010, 05:36 PM
Its funny how expectations change. Im sure two years ago as a jet fan it was a bummer not to make the playoffs. now you guys have a legit chance at the SB, so if for a reason you guys dont win it you will probly go through a just a sad of a faze like we are now. Thats why ima be rooting my heart out for the colts or ravens. Just no Steelers, Jets or Pats in the superbowl and im good.

Things change really quickly in this league, I am thrilled to be 8-2 but there is a lot of work to be done.

Jetsfan89
11-24-2010, 06:31 PM
I'm pretty sure Mangini didnt draft the players for the Jets. He has input but I believe Tannenbaum makes the picks.

Rex mentioned on Hard Knocks that Tannenbaum gives him 1 pick of his choosing in the draft.

Akronfinfan36
11-24-2010, 06:55 PM
I'm seeing Sanchez make plays that I'm pretty sure Henne can't. That said, Sanchez seems to have playmakers all around him.

Miamifins2381
11-24-2010, 07:03 PM
I'm seeing Sanchez make plays that I'm pretty sure Henne can't. That said, Sanchez seems to have playmakers all around him.
yea he does, but at least hes making the most of em

DolfanISS
11-24-2010, 07:08 PM
Why would anyone here have a hard time admitting Sanchez is better than Henne? Is that carved in stone for all time? Maybe not but right now Sanchez is better. Who would you rather have when the play breaks down? If anyone says Henne they do not watch football.

Ricky'sWeinerBong
11-24-2010, 10:16 PM
LOL. Every time I see fans on here bash the Jets, they say they are built for the short term. Couldnt be farther from the truth.

El Squid
11-25-2010, 01:17 AM
Sanchez = AFC offensive player of the week...just sayin

vaneasy2338
11-25-2010, 01:29 AM
Sanchez = AFC offensive player of the week...just sayinHell of a secondary he was going up against.

Ray_Finkle#5
11-25-2010, 04:23 AM
the difference b/t the jets and pats and the phins:
the pats: Belichek got LUCKY with Brady in the 5th round. Belickek can make any offence work with Brady.
the Jets: at least they took a RISK with Sanchez, going after a top ten. who is looking more and more like the real thing.
at least the jets were willing to let Sanchez make his mistakes and it looks like he is learning from it.

hemidemon
11-25-2010, 05:45 AM
The Pats are where they are now because Tom Brady is their QB. They got lucky and found him in the 6th round.

The Jets were mediocre for years after Parcells left, with a revolving door at QB. Then we traded up to draft Sanchez. He starts fast, struggles through the middle of the year, then comes on again at the end. We get to the AFCCG. Next year, he continues to progress and we're one of the best teams in the league.

A strong core isn't worth much without a quarterback to lead it.

The Jets are winning with defense, not Sanchez. Sanchez has been average at best.

Ray_Finkle#5
11-25-2010, 07:29 AM
The Jets are winning with defense, not Sanchez. Sanchez has been average at best.

the jets won with defense last year. this year it is offense (deep threat Holmes anyone?)

Valandui
11-25-2010, 08:01 AM
Do you have any idea how dumb that sounds?? have you been in a coma for the past month?

vs Broncos ... leads team down field for winning TD in last minute.

vs Lions ... leads team down field for TD ... gets ball back ... leads team down field again for tyng FG in last minute ... gets ball in OT ... incomplete ... 52 yard slant to Holmes ... game over thanks for showing up.

vs Browns ... gets ball at midfield with only 24 seconds left in OT ... TD pass to Holmes .... game over ... thanks for showing up.

Vs Texans ... 49 seconds left in game ... no timeouts from his own 23 ... LT once ... LT twice ... Braylon down the sideline ... fade to Holmes with 10 seconds left ... thanks for showing up.

Apparently you missed alot. Jets COULD have lost all four of those games ...
but we didn't lose any of them because our QB was the best player on the field when it mattered most.
If you're on the other side, you better not be within one score of us if we have the ball late in the game ...
because you're probably about to lose.

Are you caught up now?
I see a guy surrounded with talent on offense and benefiting from a killer defense still manage to just look OK week in and week out. I'm not someone saying that Henne is better than him, but he is still the most overrated QB in the league right now. If he weren't playing in New York, the media capital of the world, no one would be talking about him like he was the second coming. They would be commenting on how he can't put teams away and always take games down to the wire.

P.S.: If Stafford doesn't get hurt in the Detroit game, the Jets don't win. That win had more to do with him getting hurt than anything Sanchez did.

DolfanISS
11-25-2010, 11:26 AM
So the Jets defense beat Houston? The Jets offense let Houston take the lead when they were up 23-7 going into the 4th quarter (probably Sanchez's fault right)? The Jets defense marched down the field with 49 seconds left and scored the game winning TD. Let me guess there was a 50 yard pass play from Jason Taylor to Darrelle Revis which set up the game winning TD pass from Calvin Pace to Shaun Ellis. Man that Jets defense always wins.

Sanchez is developing like it or not. He still makes mistakes but he also makes plays. I saw one play that I thought was a sure fire sack in the Cleveland game where he broke free and completed a pass. Henne would have tucked it and ran 1 mile an hour for about 1 or 2 yards. Sanchez isn;t flawless, I don't think anyone is saying that but anyone saying he's not making plays or making excuses as to why he is making them is kidding themselves. Which team has the 50 million dollar WR again?

Pinkboy
11-25-2010, 11:31 AM
So the Jets defense beat Houston? The Jets offense let Houston take the lead when they were up 23-7 going into the 4th quarter (probably Sanchez's fault right)? The Jets defense marched down the field with 49 seconds left and scored the game winning TD. Let me guess there was a 50 yard pass play from Jason Taylor to Darrelle Revis which set up the game winning TD pass from Calvin Pace to Shaun Ellis. Man that Jets defense always wins.

Sanchez is developing like it or not. He still makes mistakes but he also makes plays. I saw one play that I thought was a sure fire sack in the Cleveland game where he broke free and completed a pass. Henne would have tucked it and ran 1 mile an hour for about 1 or 2 yards. Sanchez isn;t flawless, I don't think anyone is saying that but anyone saying he's not making plays or making excuses as to why he is making them is kidding themselves. Which team has the 50 million dollar WR again?

To be fair, the jets have a far better #2 WR (Holmes) and they have an athletic TE who can split the seam to get those WR's open. An athletic TE who can move like that does wonders to draw the safeties away from the WR's giving them more space to operate with less attention drawn.

We haven't had a TE like that for a long time so it's easy to forget how important a TE like that is for a QB... nevermind a young QB.

Sanchez also has LT who is a great safety valve out of the backfield..

Just as important, the Jets don't have Dan Henning.

Marshall would look fantastic here if he had a seam busting TE and a real #2 WR like Santonio Holmes to work with. Instead, he has the slow Fasano and Hartline who are mediocre players at best, and they're players who defensive coordinators pay no attention to because they're just not good talented players... which is why Marshall and Bess are doubled (and sometimes tripled) so often lately.

And of course, the Jets have been able to run the ball a lot better than the Dolphins so that opens up a lot of things in and of itself. The Jets are 4th in the league in rushing !!.. and the Dolphins ???

You really can't compare the weapons Sanchez has at his disposal to what the Dolphins have. It's apples and oranges.

rev kev
11-25-2010, 12:10 PM
Jets have a solid D our FO had to draft D out of desperation - why the PW pick is beyond anyone, our D was a sore spot with the FO hence three early DEs selected in three years - the O is falling further behind, and a TE who can make plays and go lateral would be so freakin nice..., maybe he wouldn't just catch the easy ones but the difficult last minute sustain a drive kind of catches that we don't see on any regularity

Phantom
11-25-2010, 12:41 PM
Face the feaking facts !!! The Jets and the Pats are more talented, and are better than we are period. 10 games in, they have three more wins, and have both beaten us in Miami, what more proof do you need? They have better qb's, and better coaches than we do. Anyone who thinks we are headed in the right direction must drive their cars around in reverse.

El Squid
11-25-2010, 01:14 PM
Hell of a secondary he was going up against.

Yeah keep hating...his new nickname is 'Miracle Mark'.

Bumpus
11-25-2010, 10:16 PM
The Pats are where they are now because Tom Brady is their QB. They got lucky and found him in the 6th round.

The Jets were mediocre for years after Parcells left, with a revolving door at QB. Then we traded up to draft Sanchez. He starts fast, struggles through the middle of the year, then comes on again at the end. We get to the AFCCG. Next year, he continues to progress and we're one of the best teams in the league.

A strong core isn't worth much without a quarterback to lead it.

I would thank you for this, but I make it a practice of never thanking Jest fans for anything ... Ever.

So ... :lol:

Ilovemyfins4eva
11-25-2010, 10:47 PM
the pats are the best team in this division. we got a lot of work ahead of us if we want to be able to compete with them yearly. they look flat out balling now. Brady's best year imo.

yes i understand that he will not have the great stats he had of 07, and he will not throw for 50 tds, but stats dont always tell the story. if you have watched him play, he just looks the best i have seen him in a while. also keep in mind, he is doing this with 2 rookie tightends, a guy in deion branch who he is making relevant again, a rookie we in ben tate, no moss anymore, he was missing his best o lineman most of the year, no real threatning running game although green ellis and woodhead are doing a solid job, and yet he is leading an offense to most ppg in the league.

pats are scary right now.

DolfanISS
11-26-2010, 11:08 AM
the pats are the best team in this division. we got a lot of work ahead of us if we want to be able to compete with them yearly. they look flat out balling now. Brady's best year imo.

yes i understand that he will not have the great stats he had of 07, and he will not throw for 50 tds, but stats dont always tell the story. if you have watched him play, he just looks the best i have seen him in a while. also keep in mind, he is doing this with 2 rookie tightends, a guy in deion branch who he is making relevant again, a rookie we in ben tate, no moss anymore, he was missing his best o lineman most of the year, no real threatning running game although green ellis and woodhead are doing a solid job, and yet he is leading an offense to most ppg in the league.

pats are scary right now.

I agree 100%. I never thought 2007 was Brady's best year. Yeah statistically it was the best year for a QB ever. But his work in the Super Bowl years, especially 2001 were more impressive. Yeah the defense was really good but he won playoff games and Super Bowls with Jermaine Wiggins and JR Redmond as big pieces in the passing game.

He is incredible this year and the Pats will only get better. I think he's saving Old Man Taylor for the late season/slash playoff run. What's great is if we turn things around (biggest if ever almost not worth mentioning) we will almost definetly get a free pass in Foxboro on Jan 2nd after NE beats the Jets next Monday. They already hold all tiebreakers over San Diego, Indy, Pittsburgh and Baltimore.

It should be interesting with the Jets Monday. I'm really curious to see how the Jets approach this with their corners. Will they waste one of their big guns on Brandon Tate, who essentially adds almost nothing to the Pats offense with the exception of maybe one game this year, or will they move Revis to the slot to play Welker. Remember many thought we nuetralized Revis last year because he covered Tedd Ginn who we really weren't going to throw to much anyway. The Jets safties/nickel on Welker will spell trouble.

The biggest thing I commend about the Jets defense is, unlike us, they play matchups on defense. New England most definetly looks for mismatches which will be harder vs the Jets then many teams, like us, who don't move their CB's around. I hate when defenses let the offense dictate the matchups like we have for as long as I can remember. Say what you wanty about Wanny, and there is plenty to say, but at least he was smart enough to move Surtain to the slot on big passing downs. Many times he would be in the slot with guys like Marvin Harrison and had we put our nickel back there, whoever it may have been, it probably would have been an automatic 1st down, kind of like Benney Sapp is.

fin13
11-26-2010, 11:31 AM
yeah... and drafting players like John Beck, Ted Ginn, Pat White, Pat Turner and all the other whiffs didn't have too much to do with our current situation.... The Pats are the best when it comes to the draft, and that's why they are the best in the league right now. They rarely miss. We perfected missing players in the draft.

Turner had a couple catches last night.....for the Jets

fin13
11-26-2010, 11:42 AM
To be fair, the jets have a far better #2 WR (Holmes) and they have an athletic TE who can split the seam to get those WR's open. An athletic TE who can move like that does wonders to draw the safeties away from the WR's giving them more space to operate with less attention drawn.

We haven't had a TE like that for a long time so it's easy to forget how important a TE like that is for a QB... nevermind a young QB.

Sanchez also has LT who is a great safety valve out of the backfield..

Just as important, the Jets don't have Dan Henning.

Marshall would look fantastic here if he had a seam busting TE and a real #2 WR like Santonio Holmes to work with. Instead, he has the slow Fasano and Hartline who are mediocre players at best, and they're players who defensive coordinators pay no attention to because they're just not good talented players... which is why Marshall and Bess are doubled (and sometimes tripled) so often lately.

And of course, the Jets have been able to run the ball a lot better than the Dolphins so that opens up a lot of things in and of itself. The Jets are 4th in the league in rushing !!.. and the Dolphins ???

You really can't compare the weapons Sanchez has at his disposal to what the Dolphins have. It's apples and oranges.

The only time the Jets played like the Fins in offense was against the Ravens, last night I watched LT and he consistently would be open just by sneaking across the line and move up 5 yards perfect safety valve not behind the line like Ronnie Brown, Sanchez missed him 2 or 3 times where he was wide open.
You have to respect the Jets for keeping on track but I'm not blown away by their QB play, nice OL and OK D.
The Pats O is impressive.

fin13
11-26-2010, 11:45 AM
So the Jets defense beat Houston? The Jets offense let Houston take the lead when they were up 23-7 going into the 4th quarter (probably Sanchez's fault right)? The Jets defense marched down the field with 49 seconds left and scored the game winning TD. Let me guess there was a 50 yard pass play from Jason Taylor to Darrelle Revis which set up the game winning TD pass from Calvin Pace to Shaun Ellis. Man that Jets defense always wins.

Sanchez is developing like it or not. He still makes mistakes but he also makes plays. I saw one play that I thought was a sure fire sack in the Cleveland game where he broke free and completed a pass. Henne would have tucked it and ran 1 mile an hour for about 1 or 2 yards. Sanchez isn;t flawless, I don't think anyone is saying that but anyone saying he's not making plays or making excuses as to why he is making them is kidding themselves. Which team has the 50 million dollar WR again?

Who has the 50 million dollar QB

Ilovemyfins4eva
11-26-2010, 01:26 PM
I agree 100%. I never thought 2007 was Brady's best year. Yeah statistically it was the best year for a QB ever. But his work in the Super Bowl years, especially 2001 were more impressive. Yeah the defense was really good but he won playoff games and Super Bowls with Jermaine Wiggins and JR Redmond as big pieces in the passing game.

He is incredible this year and the Pats will only get better. I think he's saving Old Man Taylor for the late season/slash playoff run. What's great is if we turn things around (biggest if ever almost not worth mentioning) we will almost definetly get a free pass in Foxboro on Jan 2nd after NE beats the Jets next Monday. They already hold all tiebreakers over San Diego, Indy, Pittsburgh and Baltimore.

It should be interesting with the Jets Monday. I'm really curious to see how the Jets approach this with their corners. Will they waste one of their big guns on Brandon Tate, who essentially adds almost nothing to the Pats offense with the exception of maybe one game this year, or will they move Revis to the slot to play Welker. Remember many thought we nuetralized Revis last year because he covered Tedd Ginn who we really weren't going to throw to much anyway. The Jets safties/nickel on Welker will spell trouble.

The biggest thing I commend about the Jets defense is, unlike us, they play matchups on defense. New England most definetly looks for mismatches which will be harder vs the Jets then many teams, like us, who don't move their CB's around. I hate when defenses let the offense dictate the matchups like we have for as long as I can remember. Say what you wanty about Wanny, and there is plenty to say, but at least he was smart enough to move Surtain to the slot on big passing downs. Many times he would be in the slot with guys like Marvin Harrison and had we put our nickel back there, whoever it may have been, it probably would have been an automatic 1st down, kind of like Benney Sapp is.I agree with you man. the pats right now are imo the best team in the league. are they beatable? of course they are, but they are not only winning games, they are winning in dominant fashion. how many teams go into pittsburgh and win like they did, especially in primetime?

i dont know how the hell they keep doing it, and i keep sitting here baffled. i mean they plug guys in like woodhead,who barely got on the field with the jets, and now he plays a real solid role for the pats. everyone you plug in their , they keep scoring points. people including myself thought when they traded moss their offense would take a hit, but they look better than ever.

as for the jets matching up with the pats next week, the jets will have lots of trouble. the jets secondary ( revis) is very good at keeping big time wr out of the game, but a team like the pats does not have a real number 1. they got lots of guys who are capable of catching the ball like welker, tate, gronkowski, hernandez, branch, even woodhead. the jets also have no pass rush so brady will eat that defense alive. right now, i think the pats win 31-17.

as for getting on a run at the end of the season, i really hope we can somehow be 10-5 going into that final new england game, but even then i dont know if that would be enough with us losing all tiebreakers. our best shot imo is catching the ravens or jets for these reasons.

ravens remaining opponents - vs tampa, vs pitt, at hou, vs new orleans, at cle, vs cinn. most realistic shots at losing- vs pitt, vs new orleans, and at hou since its primetime and prob houstons last meaningful game at home. we need to finish a game ahead of them in the standings for it to matter, we cant tie them.

jets- at ne, vs mia, at pitt, at chi, vs buff. i dont know how the tiebreaker sitatuion would work with the jets if we finished tied with them with their losses being to ne, us, and pitt. i think for sure the jets will lose in new england and pitt, and obviously we have to beat them to have any chance, and the game in chicago, i think chicago is overrated, but the game is in chicago and the weather can play a big factor in that game.

if we need a win to make the playoffs the last game, and the pats have everything locked up, and its between us and the jets, im sure the pats will rest their starters.

lets hopefully get their first.

twg76
11-26-2010, 01:56 PM
This thread is just more talk. Parcells, Parcells, Parcells. Blah, Blah, Blah. For some of you, it will still take more abuse and failure for you to wake up. 2008 was a one hit wonder. It was a fluke. It was one great season, but it had false hope written all over it. Do you want another one in 2011? Maybe an 11 - 5 finish and lose in the first round of playoffs again? And then back to losing seasons again in 2012 and 2013 of 7 - 9.

That is hogwash. Miami should be a team that wins year after year. That should be the goal. How many years does it take to find it? As soon as Miami finds it, they annoint people as gods and start paying them way too much money. Some people get it, and some people don't. Miami still doesn't have the right people in place to get it right and then KEEP IT THAT WAY NO MATTER WHAT.

I don't know what it will take, but they don't seem to be any closer to getting it right. The best fans can hope for is that they are closer than it seems and that they just need to get rid of a few people who keep preventing greatness from happening. Put Sparano on that short list.

DolfanISS
11-26-2010, 02:20 PM
I agree with you man. the pats right now are imo the best team in the league. are they beatable? of course they are, but they are not only winning games, they are winning in dominant fashion. how many teams go into pittsburgh and win like they did, especially in primetime?

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dont know how the hell they keep doing it, and i keep sitting here baffled. i mean they plug guys in like woodhead,who barely got on the field with the jets, and now he plays a real solid role for the pats. everyone you plug in their , they keep scoring points. people including myself thought when they traded moss their offense would take a hit, but they look better than ever.as for the jets matching up with the pats next week, the jets will have lots of trouble. the jets secondary ( revis) is very good at keeping big time wr out of the game, but a team like the pats does not have a real number 1. they got lots of guys who are capable of catching the ball like welker, tate, gronkowski, hernandez, branch, even woodhead. the jets also have no pass rush so brady will eat that defense alive. right now, i think the pats win 31-17.

as for getting on a run at the end of the season, i really hope we can somehow be 10-5 going into that final new england game, but even then i dont know if that would be enough with us losing all tiebreakers. our best shot imo is catching the ravens or jets for these reasons.

ravens remaining opponents - vs tampa, vs pitt, at hou, vs new orleans, at cle, vs cinn. most realistic shots at losing- vs pitt, vs new orleans, and at hou since its primetime and prob houstons last meaningful game at home. we need to finish a game ahead of them in the standings for it to matter, we cant tie them.

jets- at ne, vs mia, at pitt, at chi, vs buff. i dont know how the tiebreaker sitatuion would work with the jets if we finished tied with them with their losses being to ne, us, and pitt. i think for sure the jets will lose in new england and pitt, and obviously we have to beat them to have any chance, and the game in chicago, i think chicago is overrated, but the game is in chicago and the weather can play a big factor in that game.

if we need a win to make the playoffs the last game, and the pats have everything locked up, and its between us and the jets, im sure the pats will rest their starters.

lets hopefully get their first.

That really sums it up. They get rid of Moss, who pretty much dictated a certain coverage, and now they're better. You should really try living here and being a fins fan, lots of fun....LOL!

Ilovemyfins4eva
11-26-2010, 02:25 PM
That really sums it up. They get rid of Moss, who pretty much dictated a certain coverage, and now they're better. You should really try living here and being a fins fan, lots of fun....LOL!
ya i here ya, but are they really worse than jet fans?

Vertical Limit
11-26-2010, 02:36 PM
People here are actually denying the fact that Mark Sanchez is a very good QB? Jesus, get a clue. It hurts to accept the fact but the Jets have a franchise QB and we don't. We will always be third/fourth place in the division until we find a quarterback.

DolfanISS
11-26-2010, 02:38 PM
ya i here ya, but are they really worse than jet fans?

Well I don't have any Jets fans to listen too. All I hear about is how great Danny Woodhead is!

I think the Pats are Super Bowl bound anyway. I feel a strong offenisive team beating them in a shootout is there best chance to lose and Pittsburgh, Baltimore or the Jets would not be good choices to do it, when the Pats are at their best of course. Philly looks real strong though and Atlanta is no slouch. Another date with Peyton Manning or Philip Rivers couls also be interesting.

Jets vs Pats could be intersting but you raise some good points about the Jets defense and they were saying the same stuff last night. Unless they blitz they generally don't get to the QB and if they blitz Brady he will most likely eat it alive. Also the matchups again, they will likely leave Cromartie and Revis outside which hives Welker a favroable matchup all night in the slot. Not to mention the TE's and the RB's out of the backfield. I bet Woodhead has a more productive game then LT or Greene, I've been watching the Pats too long. Bank on it.

Ilovemyfins4eva
11-26-2010, 02:41 PM
Well I don't have any Jets fans to listen too. All I hear about is how great Danny Woodhead is!

I think the Pats are Super Bowl bound anyway. I feel a strong offenisive team beating them in a shootout is there best chance to lose and Pittsburgh, Baltimore or the Jets would not be good choices to do it, when the Pats are at their best of course. Philly looks real strong though and Atlanta is no slouch. Another date with Peyton Manning or Philip Rivers couls also be interesting.
i can see it being a green bay vs new england or baltimore superbowl

DolfanISS
11-26-2010, 02:47 PM
i can see it being a green bay vs new england or baltimore superbowl

GB and NE play in a couple of weeks, that should be a good one.

Ilovemyfins4eva
11-26-2010, 02:49 PM
GB and NE play in a couple of weeks, that should be a good one.
yes it should. i really wish we would make the god damn playoffs, its so frustrating

Mogwai
11-26-2010, 04:40 PM
No. To draw parallels is a huge kool-aid soaked reach. For starters, they're both building around the QB. They also have differing philosophies in how they add to the team. Jets have been far more aggressive in FA. Pats have been far more passive aggressive in the draft. Jets have risen from crap in the same time frame we've had. Pats have almost completely retooled their team without missing a beat. Wake up, man.

jetsman
11-26-2010, 07:09 PM
Who has the 50 million dollar QB
....and he's earned EVERY PENNY!!!!!Championship game as a ROOKIE and best record in football to this point as a sophomore,possibly a superbowl winning season.Yeah,money WELL SPENT......;)

HurriPhin
11-26-2010, 07:15 PM
People here are actually denying the fact that Mark Sanchez is a very good QB

Yep, that's me. :D

Dirty sucks

nyjunc
11-27-2010, 11:14 AM
Hell of a secondary he was going up against.

The excuses never end.


The Jets are winning with defense, not Sanchez. Sanchez has been average at best.

Apparently you haven't watched us most of this year. We are 9-2 mostly b/c of the QB and the offense.


the jets won with defense last year. this year it is offense (deep threat Holmes anyone?)

Actually Braylon has been the deep threat, holes is a threat anywhere on the field to take a short pass and turn it into a long gain.


I see a guy surrounded with talent on offense and benefiting from a killer defense still manage to just look OK week in and week out. I'm not someone saying that Henne is better than him, but he is still the most overrated QB in the league right now. If he weren't playing in New York, the media capital of the world, no one would be talking about him like he was the second coming. They would be commenting on how he can't put teams away and always take games down to the wire.

P.S.: If Stafford doesn't get hurt in the Detroit game, the Jets don't win. That win had more to do with him getting hurt than anything Sanchez did.

More excuses.

yeah, it's b/c he's playing in NY which is why a great player likie Curtis Martin is one of the most underrated players of all time. It has nothing do w/ him helping us get to the Title game as a rookie and stepping up his play as a 2nd year QB helping us to the best record in the league through 11 games?


the pats are the best team in this division. we got a lot of work ahead of us if we want to be able to compete with them yearly. they look flat out balling now. Brady's best year imo.

yes i understand that he will not have the great stats he had of 07, and he will not throw for 50 tds, but stats dont always tell the story. if you have watched him play, he just looks the best i have seen him in a while. also keep in mind, he is doing this with 2 rookie tightends, a guy in deion branch who he is making relevant again, a rookie we in ben tate, no moss anymore, he was missing his best o lineman most of the year, no real threatning running game although green ellis and woodhead are doing a solid job, and yet he is leading an offense to most ppg in the league.

pats are scary right now.

Brady is the best player but we are better pretty much everywhere outside of QB and NT. better RBs, better WRs, TEs even(we have the best but they have a better duo), OLs about even, we have better LBs, better secondary, better STs and w/ Gustowski out the K's are even.

AphexPhin
11-29-2010, 07:54 PM
Sanchez has been flat out CLUTCH this season.

The rematch vs the Pats should be epic. And even though I hate both teams, from an NFL fan standpoint, I will absolutely be watching it.

lf911sc
11-30-2010, 04:23 AM
The excuses never end.



Apparently you haven't watched us most of this year. We are 9-2 mostly b/c of the QB and the offense.



Actually Braylon has been the deep threat, holes is a threat anywhere on the field to take a short pass and turn it into a long gain.



More excuses.

yeah, it's b/c he's playing in NY which is why a great player likie Curtis Martin is one of the most underrated players of all time. It has nothing do w/ him helping us get to the Title game as a rookie and stepping up his play as a 2nd year QB helping us to the best record in the league through 11 games?



Brady is the best player but we are better pretty much everywhere outside of QB and NT. better RBs, better WRs, TEs even(we have the best but they have a better duo), OLs about even, we have better LBs, better secondary, better STs and w/ Gustowski out the K's are even.


Plus we've beaten the Pats already.

The Pats with Moss and the Jets with a one legged Revis for just the first half and without Holmes.

624
12-01-2010, 06:12 PM
P.S.: If Stafford doesn't get hurt in the Detroit game, the Jets don't win. That win had more to do with him getting hurt than anything Sanchez did.

Did you watch the game or the Sportscenter highlights?


After Stafford went out, they got the ball back ONCE.

They ran out the clock the first 2...which they would have done with Stafford or not, then they threw ONE play action roll out pass where no one was open to make a play, Stafford would not have made a difference in this game.


I can't beliece you even made that comment.

Don't comment on a game you didn't watch.

ReppinThe941
03-04-2011, 09:30 AM
I was making a point about Miami not making a title game sicne 1992 and not being close since 1994.



Using your criteria, if we win the SB this year we will be the better all time franchise since we would be 2-0 in SBs and you guys would be 2-3. I hope to see you in feb saying this if we are lucky enough to win it.
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