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dolphinsbshaw72
03-28-2011, 04:44 PM
reasons why we should take him and reason why we should not.. personally i like locker.. but thats me.. fire away..lol

Wildbill3
03-28-2011, 04:56 PM
hmmm... draft forum maybe? IDK seems like thats where I'd check for draft talk.

sinPHIN
03-28-2011, 05:07 PM
NO! accuracy accuracy accuracy. something he doesnt have.

Gamble
03-28-2011, 05:18 PM
Isn't it interesting Locker seems to be the only quarterback the Dolphins haven't had a tryout with.

Kdawg954
03-29-2011, 07:48 AM
Isn't it interesting Locker seems to be the only quarterback the Dolphins haven't had a tryout with.


They could be waiting for his Pro Day on Wednesday to set something up as well. I'm pretty sure we will be in attendance.

fins_rock
03-29-2011, 07:49 AM
Cons

He's not accurate.
He doesn't throw well in the pocket.
He run's to much.
He doesn't read defenses well.
He regressed his senior year compared to his Junior year.
He didn't run a pro style offense in college which means he won't be able to compete as a starter for a couple years.
He's didn't throw enough touchdowns in his college career.

Pros

He has good speed
He throws well outside the pocket

Kdawg954
03-29-2011, 07:57 AM
Cons

He's not accurate.
He doesn't throw well in the pocket.
He run's to much.
He doesn't read defenses well.
He regressed his senior year compared to his Junior year.
He didn't run a pro style offense in college which means he won't be able to compete as a starter for a couple years.
He's didn't throw enough touchdowns in his college career.

Pros

He has good speed
He throws well outside the pocket

More Pros:

He is also tough as nails, has made plays . . . in the pocket, his junior year to win huge games. Excellent work ethic and has been in the pro system for 2 years. At times, he carried his team to victories. He has a great arm.

Teams are going to have to figure out what is going on mentally that is causing him to be inaccurate. Personally I think alot has to do with the lack of trust in his OLine, less to do with mechanics . . . but maybe it is just something he is going to struggle with, which is not good because you want the problem to be fixable at the next level. If it is fixable . . .he has a chance to become the best QB in this class.

j-off-her-doll
03-29-2011, 08:03 AM
Cons

He's not accurate.
He doesn't throw well in the pocket.
He run's to much.
He doesn't read defenses well.
He regressed his senior year compared to his Junior year.
He didn't run a pro style offense in college which means he won't be able to compete as a starter for a couple years.
He's didn't throw enough touchdowns in his college career.

Pros

He has good speed
He throws well outside the pocket

He did run a pro style offense his final two seasons.

hooshoops
03-29-2011, 08:09 AM
they said last night on path to the draft that team grades on jake locker are all over the place...some wouldn't touch him til the 3rd or 4th round...some have him as the 2nd or 3rd qb off the board

twg76
03-29-2011, 09:45 PM
I'd take Locker over Henne.

Roonnette
03-29-2011, 09:53 PM
#1 problem with Locker is he can't complete passes. #2 problem is he does not have pocket presence to stand in there. #3 problem is his footwork mechanics.

That said, Locker is a tough SOB and can run. Tebow won 1 out of 3 games in NFL. Locker can bat .333 as well. First round?? Don't think so.

twg76
03-29-2011, 10:17 PM
#1 problem with Locker is he can't complete passes. #2 problem is he does not have pocket presence to stand in there. #3 problem is his footwork mechanics.

That said, Locker is a tough SOB and can run. Tebow won 1 out of 3 games in NFL. Locker can bat .333 as well. First round?? Don't think so.

Thing about Locker is that he has what it takes naturally. He has the talent. With good coaching, he could be great in the NFL. With bad coaching, he could sit the bench and never grow past his limited ability to stand tall in the pocket.

BARF
03-29-2011, 10:31 PM
don't want him still convinced that stanzi would be a steal or the next brady in the nfl

sinPHIN
03-29-2011, 10:39 PM
don't want him still convinced that stanzi would be a steal or the next brady in the nfl

i agree

Roonnette
03-29-2011, 10:45 PM
don't want him still convinced that stanzi would be a steal or the next brady in the nfl

That's a bold statement. There has not been a Brady since Brady, and even before Brady, save for maybe Young who comes close but only after 4-5 years in the league.

I like Stanzi, he runs his offense well and has a knack for winning with that offense. A team that picks him to lead their group would be well advised to adopt that offensive system and go, and I don't think it would be as big a stretch as TCU offense.

Roman529
03-29-2011, 11:22 PM
I don't want Locker unless he falls to the third round. He's just inot very accurate which is probably the #1 criteria for NFL quarterbacks. Not sure if he can fix this.

Roonnette
03-29-2011, 11:24 PM
I don't want Locker unless he falls to the third round. His just is not very accurate which is probably the #1 criteria for NFL quarterbacks. Not sure if he can fix this.

Why? Why would you take him in the third round when he is not good enough to be a first rounder?

Roman529
03-29-2011, 11:33 PM
Why? Why would you take him in the third round when he is not good enough to be a first rounder?

I think we are going to need TWO qb's as I don't see Pennington or Thigpen back with the team next year. I would like to draft one QB and acquire a veteran. The problem we have right now is we just have the 15th pick and then don't pick again until the 3rd round, unless we can trade down. I don't think there will be much left by the third round....maybe Kaepernick or Locker. We have to make sure our 15th overall pick is someone we get right and not a bust. That's why I wouldn't draft Locker with the 15th pick.

Roonnette
03-29-2011, 11:36 PM
I think we are going to need TWO qb's as I don't see Pennington or Thigpen back with the team next year. I would like to draft one QB and acquire a veteran. The problem we have right now is we just have the 15th pick and then don't pick again until the 3rd round, unless we can trade down. I don't think there will be much left by the third round....maybe Kaepernick or Locker. We have to make sure our 15th overall pick is someone we get right and not a bust. That's why I wouldn't draft Locker with the 15th pick.

I'd rather wait for Enderle or Chappell in UDFA than waste a pick on a bench warmer. Sorry, drafting a QB in the middle rounds makes no sense whatsoever for the Dolphins.

BTW, Thigpen is tendered and I don't see anyone parting with picks for him, They also have the third stringer rookie from Fresno State.

Roman529
03-29-2011, 11:48 PM
I'd rather wait for Enderle or Chappell in UDFA than waste a pick on a bench warmer. Sorry, drafting a QB in the middle rounds makes no sense whatsoever for the Dolphins.

BTW, Thigpen is tendered and I don't see anyone parting with picks for him, They also have the third stringer rookie from Fresno State.

I am not sure I would waste a spot on the roster for Thigpen. I see us sticking with Henne again next year, but hopefully we can draft a guy who will eventually become our franchise QB. We are never going to be able to compete for a SB without a top QB, no matter who else we may have at other positions.

dolphinsbshaw72
03-30-2011, 01:57 PM
NO! accuracy accuracy accuracy. something he doesnt have.

There are a huge number of reasons why Jake's completion percentage were low that don't ping him as an inaccurate quarterback (drops, throwaways, receiving corps, no tight end, etc). The standards he is being subjected to are incredibly high and this is the problem and THE ONLY reason why his draft stock is falling. Let's ignore the ridiculous run-first offense of his first 2 years in college and look at him in a pro system, as that's what he's going to be running with the Dolphins in the NFL; CMP% = 56.94 YDS = 5065 TDS = 38 INTS = 20 TDs per INT = 1.9 ... Now let's compare him to a successful NFL Rookie and No.1 pick, Matt Stafford, in college: CMP% = 56.6 YDS = 7731 TDS = 51 INT = 33 TDs per INT = 1.54... Now, consider that Stafford played in a TERRIFIC Georgia team (ranked No. 1) and that Jake played in a below-average Washington team. Their stats are alarmingly similar, with Jake having the edge in a number of zones (TD to INT is a good example). Now, explain why Stafford is an accurate QB, and consensus No. 1 pick in 2008, when Jake Locker is an inaccurate 'project' QB that belongs in the second round (which is the vague media consensus, though he has a number of advocates -- which tend to be the more astute Mayocks, Razallos, etc)? This is crazy. This kid will burn it up in the NFL - he's being held to impossible standards against SPREAD QBS in GREAT TEAMS (Gabbert, Newton). Gabbert and Newton are projects, people will be very surprised at how quickly Jake Locker adapts to the NFL. I wish him all the best, if anyone can handle being this draft's under'dawg', it's Jake Locker.

Kdawg954
03-30-2011, 05:17 PM
There are a huge number of reasons why Jake's completion percentage were low that don't ping him as an inaccurate quarterback (drops, throwaways, receiving corps, no tight end, etc). The standards he is being subjected to are incredibly high and this is the problem and THE ONLY reason why his draft stock is falling. Let's ignore the ridiculous run-first offense of his first 2 years in college and look at him in a pro system, as that's what he's going to be running with the Dolphins in the NFL; CMP% = 56.94 YDS = 5065 TDS = 38 INTS = 20 TDs per INT = 1.9 ... Now let's compare him to a successful NFL Rookie and No.1 pick, Matt Stafford, in college: CMP% = 56.6 YDS = 7731 TDS = 51 INT = 33 TDs per INT = 1.54... Now, consider that Stafford played in a TERRIFIC Georgia team (ranked No. 1) and that Jake played in a below-average Washington team. Their stats are alarmingly similar, with Jake having the edge in a number of zones (TD to INT is a good example). Now, explain why Stafford is an accurate QB, and consensus No. 1 pick in 2008, when Jake Locker is an inaccurate 'project' QB that belongs in the second round (which is the vague media consensus, though he has a number of advocates -- which tend to be the more astute Mayocks, Razallos, etc)? This is crazy. This kid will burn it up in the NFL - he's being held to impossible standards against SPREAD QBS in GREAT TEAMS (Gabbert, Newton). Gabbert and Newton are projects, people will be very surprised at how quickly Jake Locker adapts to the NFL. I wish him all the best, if anyone can handle being this draft's under'dawg', it's Jake Locker.

Great post!!

I think people see how athletic he is and want to compare him to some of these spread option QB's when in fact he played in a pro system for 2 years with a team that just wasn't very talented offensively, especially on the OLine and with the pass catchers. I dunno, I think he would be a great fit for Miami, but I also think a team drafting before us will realize that and scoop him up. Jake can improvise, and I think he is the "ideal" QB that Miami is looking for. Strong arm, strong intangibles, athletic.