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BARF
04-17-2011, 03:25 AM
there is a lot of good talent between picks 50 and 60 i was looking at some mocks and they jonathan baldwin, ryan williams, kyle rudolph even though i don't see us drafting a te in the 2nd but then again this regime is crazy. i will not be surprise if we trade down twice in the first round, this would be awesome we could have a late first, 2 2's or 1 2, and 2 3's, I would prefer 2 2's, we just have to be careful we don't move to far down. I just saw on finfever and liked the guys scenario, we trade with the chargers, we pick up a 3rd, and then we trade with the falcons and pick up a 2nd and a 4th, that would give us, 1 1st, 1 2nd, 2 3rd, and 2 4th. But then again thats a crazy *** dolfan, and he is not being realistic

j-off-her-doll
04-17-2011, 05:35 AM
**** that ****. We need a QB.

Markcalius
04-17-2011, 10:16 AM
we trade with the chargers, we pick up a 3rd, I can imagine us trading down three spots with the Chargers to help them leapfrog NE, then NE spiting us by trading back with Seattle so they can get Mallett.

allsilverdreams
04-18-2011, 07:30 PM
if we trade down i dont think we get a 2nd ronder i think perhaps a 3rd

AZStryker
04-18-2011, 07:37 PM
No more quantity over quality!!!!!

RockyMtnPhinfan
04-18-2011, 07:39 PM
I say we'll trade down once......then take either Mallett or Ponder (in that order if available)...........then i bet we go o-line in rd 2. TE in rd 3 and maybe RB in 4.......
This FO has been pretty successful in the draft relative to our success in the draft before they got here. Long/Smith/Davis/Langford/Merling(hopefully)/Henne/Hartline/Bess/Jerry are all picks that actually started games for this team.

RockyMtnPhinfan
04-18-2011, 07:41 PM
I can imagine us trading down three spots with the Chargers to help them leapfrog NE, then NE spiting us by trading back with Seattle so they can get Mallett.
Dude the Pats ain't drafting Mallett. What kind of message you think that sends Brady? They are not going to play head games with the golden boy.

retarmyfinfan
04-18-2011, 08:42 PM
Dude the Pats ain't drafting Mallett. What kind of message you think that sends Brady? They are not going to play head games with the golden boy.

I think your are right. They won't pick a QB until they think Brady has 2-3 years left so he can teach the new guy, kind of like Favre/Rodgers. The Packers played it smart and didn't lose a step in the QB transition.

hooshoops
04-18-2011, 08:45 PM
Dude the Pats ain't drafting Mallett. What kind of message you think that sends Brady? They are not going to play head games with the golden boy.

the pats probably won't draft a qb in the first round...but i bet they trade that pick #28 to someone who will...

Hayden Fox
04-18-2011, 08:46 PM
I do not want to trade down. Get a better and more of an impact player at 15.

finfan54
04-18-2011, 10:14 PM
I do not want to trade down. Get a better and more of an impact player at 15.

so forget trading down, cus all those DE's are going to make cam wake look stupid? cus all those Tackles are going to get us that impact?

Trading down is highly possible here and still get your impact player. QB is clearly that impact player. You can make an argument for RB but really, good RB's are going in 2nd/3rd round, which is why you want to trade down and get a pick.

Now, as i have said before, no team needs a QB behind us except Seattle and maybe, maybe, Jaxonville. So trading down is not a huge risk to us losing our impact player IMO because I am not so sure there are any. An impact player on this team is QB because we will get our RB's and what else we need is doable later.

If we like Mallett or even Ponder, we could trade down no problem in this draft. Clearly, there are not alot of teams needing a QB behind us in this draft. And what is really interesting to me is that alot of teams in the top ten could use another pick on a QB and none of them seemingly are hot for whats there.

PhinsTD
04-18-2011, 11:00 PM
Get a QB or you've learned nothing, accomplished nothing, and will be in the unemployment line soon Ireland/Sporano.

Don't trade down unless Mallett is gone, and then it had better be a good deal.

enJeppesen
04-18-2011, 11:02 PM
Get a QB or you've learned nothing, accomplished nothing, and will be in the unemployment line soon Ireland/Sporano.

Don't trade down unless Mallett is gone, and then it had better be a good deal.

So which rookie qb out there is gonna take us to the playoffs in 2011?

PhinsTD
04-18-2011, 11:12 PM
So which rookie qb out there is gonna take us to the playoffs in 2011?

Most likely none of them. Who said they would?

You aren't going to the playoffs w/o a QB, and we don't have one, and our owner knows it.

enJeppesen
04-18-2011, 11:14 PM
Most likely none of them. Who said they would?

You aren't going to the playoffs w/o a QB, and we don't have one, and our owner knows it.

Why the urge to state the obvious, then. :(

PhinsTD
04-18-2011, 11:18 PM
Why the urge to state the obvious, then. :(

I quite literally have no idea what you're talking about?

The point of this thread is to advocate trading down. I'm saying you aren't winning anything w/o a QB so rather than trade down for quantity, throw your dong on the table and try to actually be great, rather than being scared to make a mistake all the time.

enJeppesen
04-18-2011, 11:48 PM
Cause this regime isnt taking ANY quarterback that isnt going to help them to the playoffs..this is win or get out. And if they are sold on him chances of him being there at #15? hardly. You never see trades in to the top 10..the ammunition needed is just too big especially for Miami who doesnt have a 2nd rounder. Why advocate just pulling the trigger if they arent sold on a QB? If they are sold to a point where they see the next Marino/whatever they'll do it and you know they will. Every franchise would in today's game.

Sparano could still might keep the job if they hit big on a quarterback who has a great rookie season but doesnt make the playoffs but out of Mallett(and there's still obvious glaring marks that we cant know how they feel about), I don't see any (afterall AFCE is as tough as it gets) QB this year worthy of such a move.

greasyObnoxious
04-19-2011, 08:06 AM
Cause this regime isnt taking ANY quarterback that isnt going to help them to the playoffs..this is win or get out. And if they are sold on him chances of him being there at #15? hardly. You never see trades in to the top 10..the ammunition needed is just too big especially for Miami who doesnt have a 2nd rounder. Why advocate just pulling the trigger if they arent sold on a QB? If they are sold to a point where they see the next Marino/whatever they'll do it and you know they will. Every franchise would in today's game.

Sparano could still might keep the job if they hit big on a quarterback who has a great rookie season but doesnt make the playoffs but out of Mallett(and there's still obvious glaring marks that we cant know how they feel about), I don't see any (afterall AFCE is as tough as it gets) QB this year worthy of such a move.

IF we're starting a rookie QB this season and he shows promise, Sparano and Ireland bought themselves another year.

nyashfan
04-19-2011, 09:49 AM
Not that it means anything, but McShay & co. claimed that Ponder is the most NFL ready of all the QB's this year. It will be interesting to see that, if the Dolphins can trade back into the late 20's, would they draft Ponder at that spot. Especially knowing that teams like the Bengals, Cardinals, Titans, etc. who pass on a QB with their first round pick would be targeting Ponder with their 2nd rounder. To me Ponder is interesting in that he has a different skill set with his mobility than does Henne, whereas Mallett is in the same mold as Henne -- better or worse to be determined.

TedSlimmJr
04-19-2011, 10:07 AM
I understand the point people are trying to make in regards to acquiring a quarterback who isn't "like" Henne, but it's completely irrelevant. A quarterback with the opposite skillset of Chad Henne doesn't mean the guy is going to be any good, nor does it even mean he's going to be a quarterback...

Tyler Thigpen is extremely mobile and athletic, which is opposite of Henne.. but that doesn't mean he's any good.

The best quarterbacks in the NFL are all "like" Henne in the fact that they're pocket passers... most of them are "statue"-esque.

What Miami needs is a franchise quarterback... it doesn't matter if he's "like" Chad Henne in terms of skillset, or "like" Steve Young.