PDA

View Full Version : ** Draft Winds - Breaking Down Dolphins Rounds 5-7 **



TrinidadDolfan
04-19-2011, 01:12 PM
Cheers to CK, Simon and the rest. Great article!......again.


http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports/columnists/hyde/blog/2011/04/draft_winds_breaking_down_dolp.html

ckparrothead
04-19-2011, 01:47 PM
LOL thanks for the shout but I'd prefer you didn't copy and paste the whole thing in the thread...the Sun Sentinel folks tend to appreciate the click-thrus.

TrinidadDolfan
04-19-2011, 01:52 PM
Hawaii receiver Kealoha Pilares is a beast, with great speed. Would not mind that pickup at all.
Worries about the ligament tear in his knee last December though....thankfully he did not need surgery and is back with good times.

I wonder what Bess knows about him.....?

TrinidadDolfan
04-19-2011, 01:54 PM
LOL thanks for the shout but I'd prefer you didn't copy and paste the whole thing in the thread...the Sun Sentinel folks tend to appreciate the click-thrus.

Done. Thanks for the heads up!

Any idea of a Bess opinion on Kealoha Pilares?

hooshoops
04-19-2011, 01:55 PM
i like the bilal powell and derek newton picks although i think newton may be kicked inside...like the anthony sherman pick also if fb is in play...powell in the 5th is where ideally i'd want to get him but i think its dicey...round 4 more in his wheelhouse...dion lewis in the 6th...man that seems late...herzlich in the 5th the earliest i could get down with that but there i'd be willing to take the chance...allen bradford in the 7th sign me up

greg mcelroy...ugh...not a nield guy at all although there is some resemblance to kelly gregg there for me...a very poor mans version...can't stand damien berry or graig cooper...zero interest in either

nice work

hooshoops
04-19-2011, 02:08 PM
i guess you guys have been hearing on julius thomas pretty much what i've been hearing for quite a while now since he's no where on your round 5 list...stock is way up

i wanted to try and get him in the 5th but that sounds like wishful thinking now...i wouldn't be shocked if he went mid to late round 3 but definitely by end of round 4

TedSlimmJr
04-19-2011, 02:14 PM
Agree with CK on what they should do... agree with Richard on what they will do.... and agree with Simon that I'm confused as hell too...


Glad to see you guys come around on Pilares though... I've always thought he'll make a better pro than Salas..

hooshoops
04-19-2011, 02:16 PM
oh and i agree with ck on aldrick robinson also...if he's not a dolphin by the end of the draft i will be flat out shocked

Elliott 1
04-19-2011, 02:23 PM
Mike Person OL
Aldrick Robinson WR
Anthony Anderson FB
Marc Schiechl OLB
Michael Huey OG

Any projections without at least two of these guys isn't worth much.

Mr. Magoo
04-19-2011, 03:32 PM
oh and i agree with ck on aldrick robinson also...if he's not a dolphin by the end of the draft i will be flat out shocked

The changes to the kickoff rules is probably going to push him down some more, but overall, I'd agree. Brandon Fusco is another guy who I think is fairly likely to end up a Dolphin given what the UD guys have said about him, likewise Bilal Powell and Alex Green.

TrinidadDolfan
04-19-2011, 03:48 PM
The changes to the kickoff rules is probably going to push him down some more, but overall, I'd agree. Brandon Fusco is another guy who I think is fairly likely to end up a Dolphin given what the UD guys have said about him, likewise Bilal Powell and Alex Green.

I agree... Aldrick Robinson may get pushed down a bit. At the end of the day, he is undersized but has very good speed. Great college production from a program that is not known to produce great receivers. A bit of a quagmire here...

ckparrothead
04-19-2011, 03:52 PM
Done. Thanks for the heads up!

Any idea of a Bess opinion on Kealoha Pilares?

Never heard Davone say anything about him. But last week in our position breakdowns I picked Kealoha as my sleeper. He's a guy that's front and center for me as the type of player that catches my eye because he made a position switch and became dominant at the new position very quickly...like a horse that goes from dirt to turf and looks great. In only his second year at the receiver position, Kealoha had remarkable statistics in the WAC. And this was with Bryant Moniz passing, I don't think Moniz has got real pro talent. I like Salas a little better than Pilares and said so when TedSlimmJr brought up Pilares prior to the season, but the fact that Salas has garnered mid-round grades while some draft services have Pilares far into undrafted territory, I can't agree with that. THose are two players that should be a little more neck and neck...and both are probably good role players at the next level.

ckparrothead
04-19-2011, 03:54 PM
i like the bilal powell and derek newton picks although i think newton may be kicked inside...like the anthony sherman pick also if fb is in play...powell in the 5th is where ideally i'd want to get him but i think its dicey...round 4 more in his wheelhouse...dion lewis in the 6th...man that seems late...herzlich in the 5th the earliest i could get down with that but there i'd be willing to take the chance...allen bradford in the 7th sign me up

greg mcelroy...ugh...not a nield guy at all although there is some resemblance to kelly gregg there for me...a very poor mans version...can't stand damien berry or graig cooper...zero interest in either

nice work

Thanks. Yeah, I'm not a huge Berry or Cooper fan. Never really been interested in either. But I just got this feeling when I saw the Dolphins scout cracking up with Graig Cooper like they'd grown up together or something...this was during Shrine week.

ckparrothead
04-19-2011, 03:55 PM
i guess you guys have been hearing on julius thomas pretty much what i've been hearing for quite a while now since he's no where on your round 5 list...stock is way up

i wanted to try and get him in the 5th but that sounds like wishful thinking now...i wouldn't be shocked if he went mid to late round 3 but definitely by end of round 4

Yeah I've had Julius 4th round to potentially 3rd round for a while. That's why I didn't consider him. The one guy I WANTED to stick in this piece and kept questioning myself as to why I didn't was Johnny White. The real reason was I didn't want half my picks to be runners.

ckparrothead
04-19-2011, 04:02 PM
One thing you didn't really hear me talk about was me taking so-and-so because he adds returns ability.

Special teams are dead.

Or at least, they're dying.

That's just a fact. The NFL is trying to kill special teams and they'll soon succeed. Touchback percentages were already at an all time high for the last two seasons. They were at an all time high in 2009 and then 2010 pushed it to a new all time high. Teams were already getting better and better at booting the ball into the end zone, and now you're spotting those strong-legged kickers an extra 5 yards? Forget about it. I believe 50% of the league's kickoffs will be touchbacks, think the league has strongly underestimated the change in touchback percentage. They used bad assumptions and outdated historical data to predict what would happen. They will be wrong, and the teams with GOOD kick returners will probably suffer the most because no team will even bother trying to do anything other than boot the ball through the uprights.

And sadly enough, fair catches on punts are also at an all time high. Punt returns are being crowded out of the picture as well.

So I'm not about to look at all these return prospects and start using draft picks on them just so that the team facing us can boot the ball through the uprights and take our talented return man out of the picture. Aldrick Robinson is a bonafied deep threat, he hasn't really been much of a return guy yet...the Dolphins were just trying him out there. I could honestly care less now after the rule changes.

Aqua and Orange
04-19-2011, 04:56 PM
While it is not what I would like personally, being a guy who has been screaming at the Dolphins for years to draft a QB in the 1st round, I happen to think that Boomer's prediction on what the Dolphins will do regarding overall speed and field-stretching is dead-on in the first few rounds. While Henning is no longer employed, he intimated during several of his pressers that the Dolphins were doing the best with what they had talent-wise as far as deep throws and stretching the field. The lack of fear of a running game, coupled with a lack of fear of a deep passing game, could be blamed for some of the predictability of the Dolphins short-passing offense last year. Teams knew there was a chunk of about 20 yards they had to police to disrupt the Dolphins offense. On top of that, I keep hearing the term "weapons" used by Ireland in regards to the Dolphins offense, and it doesn't seem like a smokescreen to me that they intend to make wide changes to the offensive talent. While a QB at 15 would certainly help out, a trade down to gather picks and upgrade the speed positions and open up the field seems the most plausible. Toss in the fact that Daboll used field stretching to facilitate room for the New England short passing offense and it's almost a lock that one of the early picks goes towards a player with speed.

The biggest surprise will ultimately be the Dolphins NOT trading down.

spiketex
04-19-2011, 05:24 PM
Really like the Dion Lewis suggested pick. He seems too good to fall to round 6, but you guys are the experts.

dr.jake
04-19-2011, 05:37 PM
round six ryan bartholemew center syracuse.34 reps and sub 5 40.

TrinidadDolfan
04-19-2011, 05:59 PM
One thing you didn't really hear me talk about was me taking so-and-so because he adds returns ability.

Special teams are dead.

Or at least, they're dying.

That's just a fact. The NFL is trying to kill special teams and they'll soon succeed. Touchback percentages were already at an all time high for the last two seasons. They were at an all time high in 2009 and then 2010 pushed it to a new all time high. Teams were already getting better and better at booting the ball into the end zone, and now you're spotting those strong-legged kickers an extra 5 yards? Forget about it. I believe 50% of the league's kickoffs will be touchbacks, think the league has strongly underestimated the change in touchback percentage. They used bad assumptions and outdated historical data to predict what would happen. They will be wrong, and the teams with GOOD kick returners will probably suffer the most because no team will even bother trying to do anything other than boot the ball through the uprights.

And sadly enough, fair catches on punts are also at an all time high. Punt returns are being crowded out of the picture as well.

So I'm not about to look at all these return prospects and start using draft picks on them just so that the team facing us can boot the ball through the uprights and take our talented return man out of the picture. Aldrick Robinson is a bonafied deep threat, he hasn't really been much of a return guy yet...the Dolphins were just trying him out there. I could honestly care less now after the rule changes.

Yeah, the return factor will be comatose soon. Hard to understand why the League has taken this stance. I know that returns are often violent in nature, but it is an "extra" element to the game that can change the outcome quite quickly.

If it were up to me, I would have moved the kick back some so that teams are forced to return rather than have a high % of touchbacks. Putting the ball where they will, they might as well just eliminate the play altogether and spot it on the opposing 20yd. line.

TrinidadDolfan
04-19-2011, 08:17 PM
While it is not what I would like personally, being a guy who has been screaming at the Dolphins for years to draft a QB in the 1st round, I happen to think that Boomer's prediction on what the Dolphins will do regarding overall speed and field-stretching is dead-on in the first few rounds. While Henning is no longer employed, he intimated during several of his pressers that the Dolphins were doing the best with what they had talent-wise as far as deep throws and stretching the field. The lack of fear of a running game, coupled with a lack of fear of a deep passing game, could be blamed for some of the predictability of the Dolphins short-passing offense last year. Teams knew there was a chunk of about 20 yards they had to police to disrupt the Dolphins offense. On top of that, I keep hearing the term "weapons" used by Ireland in regards to the Dolphins offense, and it doesn't seem like a smokescreen to me that they intend to make wide changes to the offensive talent. While a QB at 15 would certainly help out, a trade down to gather picks and upgrade the speed positions and open up the field seems the most plausible. Toss in the fact that Daboll used field stretching to facilitate room for the New England short passing offense and it's almost a lock that one of the early picks goes towards a player with speed.
The biggest surprise will ultimately be the Dolphins NOT trading down.

Kinda makes you wish we had our 2nd rounder doesn't it?

Fin Thirteen
04-20-2011, 06:49 AM
I like the Powell, Addison, Boren picks. Gatlin is an interesting one - I took the CB out of my latest mock but I can see why the FO might look for a late rounder (esp one with greater pick abilities than we have on the roster - does Gatlin have this?). Another late rounder I think would be good (DKPhin or someone else has him too) is FS/SS Chris Prosinski.

I have to confess I like both Devine and Tolzien! Devine's potential success hinges on whether he can add bulk. He's not a thin guy, so I suspect he can. I disagree that he lacks vision, but his stock will fall as STs become de-emphasised in the NFL.

Boomer
04-20-2011, 10:38 AM
Mike Person OL
Aldrick Robinson WR
Anthony Anderson FB
Marc Schiechl OLB
Michael Huey OG

Any projections without at least two of these guys isn't worth much.

Yes.

Of course.

Boomer
04-20-2011, 10:45 AM
oh and i agree with ck on aldrick robinson also...if he's not a dolphin by the end of the draft i will be flat out shocked

I agree.

j-off-her-doll
04-20-2011, 11:27 AM
One thing you didn't really hear me talk about was me taking so-and-so because he adds returns ability.

Special teams are dead.

Or at least, they're dying.

That's just a fact. The NFL is trying to kill special teams and they'll soon succeed. Touchback percentages were already at an all time high for the last two seasons. They were at an all time high in 2009 and then 2010 pushed it to a new all time high. Teams were already getting better and better at booting the ball into the end zone, and now you're spotting those strong-legged kickers an extra 5 yards? Forget about it. I believe 50% of the league's kickoffs will be touchbacks, think the league has strongly underestimated the change in touchback percentage. They used bad assumptions and outdated historical data to predict what would happen. They will be wrong, and the teams with GOOD kick returners will probably suffer the most because no team will even bother trying to do anything other than boot the ball through the uprights.

And sadly enough, fair catches on punts are also at an all time high. Punt returns are being crowded out of the picture as well.

So I'm not about to look at all these return prospects and start using draft picks on them just so that the team facing us can boot the ball through the uprights and take our talented return man out of the picture. Aldrick Robinson is a bonafied deep threat, he hasn't really been much of a return guy yet...the Dolphins were just trying him out there. I could honestly care less now after the rule changes.

I was talking with someone about D. Moore and T. Young, and the guy wasn't especially familiar with Moore anyway, but he kept asking if Moore had the return ability that Young does and how it's a gaping hole on our team. When I told him to discount the kick-return aspect, he looked at me like I was crazy.

ckparrothead
04-20-2011, 04:34 PM
Greg Cosell was recently tweeting about Aldrick Robinson:


SMU WR Robinson. Dynamic slot prospect. More explosive than Shipley a year ago. Deceptively quick in-and-of breaks. Lateral explosion. Hands

ckparrothead
04-20-2011, 04:35 PM
I was talking with someone about D. Moore and T. Young, and the guy wasn't especially familiar with Moore anyway, but he kept asking if Moore had the return ability that Young does and how it's a gaping hole on our team. When I told him to discount the kick-return aspect, he looked at me like I was crazy.

That's what we're down to with the rule changes. I'm not even considering it. Like, at all. As far as I'm concerned Lex Hilliard can do it. Doesn't matter anyway.

justdev7
04-21-2011, 12:22 AM
Yes to bradford, Robinson, Lewis, Addison and a few others. Nobody seemed to respond to the thread I started about Mario Addison a little over a week ago so It's nice to see that someone else is interested in him. I would be surprised if dion Lewis lasted that long, he's got too much talent

Sent from my Eris using Tapatalk

justdev7
04-22-2011, 05:34 AM
Really like the Dion Lewis suggested pick. He seems too good to fall to round 6, but you guys are the experts.

Exactly. The guy is too good. His 40 wasn't as fast as a lot of people were expecting but it doesn't bother me at all