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SCOTTY
04-20-2011, 07:57 PM
I have been listening to ESPN radio all day. Every draft "expert" now believes Mallett will fall to the 2nd round and Clayton says don't be surprised if he falls to the 3rd. Do you really still want him at 15? I have said for months and months now. He is Ryan Leaf 2.0. I pass on him at 15. If we trade down and get back into the 2nd maybe I'll take the risk there.

ckparrothead
04-20-2011, 07:58 PM
Well these "insiders" are all over the place.

SCOTTY
04-20-2011, 08:03 PM
Well these "insiders" are all over the place.

True-but doesn't that itself say something?? CK I know you do a TON of research. Seriously, none of this bothers you enough to think twice at 15??

X-Pacolypse
04-20-2011, 08:05 PM
If by "Mallet" you mean, Jake Locker then I would agree.

foozool13
04-20-2011, 08:14 PM
NONSENSE....pure NONSENSE.

BostonPhin4
04-20-2011, 08:30 PM
I have been listening to ESPN radio all day. Every draft "expert" now believes Mallett will fall to the 2nd round and Clayton says don't be surprised if he falls to the 3rd. Do you really still want him at 15? I have said for months and months now. He is Ryan Leaf 2.0. I pass on him at 15. If we trade down and get back into the 2nd maybe I'll take the risk there.

Mallet will go in the 1st round. To the Phins or to someone else. And we will be a worse team for not having selected him. Three years down the road he will be at minimum Joe Flacco, a more than serviceable starter, or at best a slower but more accurate Big Ben. While we are stuck with whatever bargain bin weak @$$ 2nd/3rd rounder we elect to take this year, wishing that out team would finally grow some balls and take a 1st round Qb.

finfan54
04-20-2011, 08:32 PM
so its pretty much consensus that mallett is the best pure passer in this draft with the best mind ready for the nfl and now he is slipping to 2nd and 3rd. all this talked about while they spread this carolina nonsense? this is your typical drive by shooting by the media.

Casas9425
04-20-2011, 08:46 PM
I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that Mallett talks like a white ghetto kid and that turns a lot of people off.

ckparrothead
04-20-2011, 09:15 PM
True-but doesn't that itself say something?? CK I know you do a TON of research. Seriously, none of this bothers you enough to think twice at 15??

I do a TON of research precisely so that I won't be bothered by the warblings of some of these "insiders".

Hurr1cane17
04-20-2011, 09:19 PM
so ck i'm assuming you'd be happy with mallett at 15? I would be personally, but I'd like the opinion of someone with a lot of draft knowledge.

OrlandoFin
04-20-2011, 09:46 PM
so its pretty much consensus that mallett is the best pure passer in this draft with the best mind ready for the nfl and now he is slipping to 2nd and 3rd. all this talked about while they spread this carolina nonsense? this is your typical drive by shooting by the media.

Having the strongest arm doesn't make him the best "pure passer." If by pure passer you mean the one that will stand back in the pocket and throw the ball, yeah you are right, because he's a statue back there. His strides are way to long on his drops and he throws off balance more than he throws on. He can get away with that in college, but he won't be able to in the pros.

Yessir
04-20-2011, 09:46 PM
At the the end of the day, opinions are like a-holes and everyone has one. I remember during the 2007 draft, Ron Jaworski and Steve Young thought John Beck was a steal. None of these guys have any clue. Quarterback is the hardest position to evaluate by far. I think Mallet has the tools to be a star, but who really knows?

JerryD
04-20-2011, 10:20 PM
Who was on ESPN?? ... Pee Wee Herman??

Maybe they were thinking how far he'd get on Dancing With The Stars!!

Don't forget ... the networks cater to fools & suckers ... why do you think they give folks like Matt Millen an analyst job. Cripes, Gruden is just a talking-head cheerleader ... Yaks with very little football.

ESPN & NFL Network know their audience!! The Gossipy Crowd ... just like the Oprah show!! These things get the crowd going like Springer & they continue to tune in!! Its about Ratings & NOT Football!!

Folks who know football don't watch/listen to those shows ... there's NO FOOTBALL!!

BostonPhin4
04-20-2011, 10:34 PM
Having the strongest arm doesn't make him the best "pure passer." If by pure passer you mean the one that will stand back in the pocket and throw the ball, yeah you are right, because he's a statue back there. His strides are way to long on his drops and he throws off balance more than he throws on. He can get away with that in college, but he won't be able to in the pros.


I think you may be exaggerating just a tad don't you? Throws off balance more than he does balanced? I have watched film and will agree that he does seem to throw off balanced a bit and does tend to throw across his body more than I would like. But his great arm gives him the ability to get away with those things and still get his passes on target. Throwing across your body and still hitting your mark isn't a matter of competition, doesn't matter if Revis is out there, hitting your receiver is hitting your receiver. If you want to say the quality of DBs isn't as good fine I'll give you that but he hasn't exactly been throwing to Brandon Marshall in college either.

A statue in the pocket? Really? I mean honestly? Come on now, just because a guy isn't Mike Vick, or even Big Ben doesn't mean he is a statue. Mallet could work on his footwork I won't dispute that, but plenty of guys without quicks manage to be very successful in this league with nothing more than an extra step away from the pressure to buy an extra second or two. See: Tom Brady, or Peyton Manning. Neither is much of a running threat but both have good internal clocks as to how long the ball should be in their hands, and when to bail out because of the coming rush.

I'm a Mallet guy I'll admit it but you won't see me saying Mallet is the next Brady, or Marino. So let's just keep the exaggerations to a minimum gentlemen I believe our conversations will be better and more intelligent for it.

Thumper1016
04-20-2011, 11:01 PM
I think you may be exaggerating just a tad don't you? Throws off balance more than he does balanced? I have watched film and will agree that he does seem to throw off balanced a bit and does tend to throw across his body more than I would like. But his great arm gives him the ability to get away with those things and still get his passes on target. Throwing across your body and still hitting your mark isn't a matter of competition, doesn't matter if Revis is out there, hitting your receiver is hitting your receiver. If you want to say the quality of DBs isn't as good fine I'll give you that but he hasn't exactly been throwing to Brandon Marshall in college either.

A statue in the pocket? Really? I mean honestly? Come on now, just because a guy isn't Mike Vick, or even Big Ben doesn't mean he is a statue. Mallet could work on his footwork I won't dispute that, but plenty of guys without quicks manage to be very successful in this league with nothing more than an extra step away from the pressure to buy an extra second or two. See: Tom Brady, or Peyton Manning. Neither is much of a running threat but both have good internal clocks as to how long the ball should be in their hands, and when to bail out because of the coming rush.

I'm a Mallet guy I'll admit it but you won't see me saying Mallet is the next Brady, or Marino. So let's just keep the exaggerations to a minimum gentlemen I believe our conversations will be better and more intelligent for it.

+1

LouPhinFan
04-20-2011, 11:35 PM
Good lord, the projections on this kid are all over the place. All this is super weird. I bet there are more than a few teams highly interested in drafting this kid and they are just fighting to see who can get him at the rock bottom price (lowest draft pick). They see an easy opportunity with him because of a few trangression early in his college career and they can try and steer opinion on him and drive down the price.

Next Thursday evening is going to be very interesting. Then of course if Cincy takes him at #4 all these shenannigans are for naught.:lol:

Spesh
04-20-2011, 11:38 PM
I have been listening to ESPN radio all day. Every draft "expert" now believes Mallett will fall to the 2nd round and Clayton says don't be surprised if he falls to the 3rd. Do you really still want him at 15? I have said for months and months now. He is Ryan Leaf 2.0. I pass on him at 15. If we trade down and get back into the 2nd maybe I'll take the risk there.

If everything was vetted through "experts" of the media: Cam Newton would be picked by all 5 teams of the first 5 picks, the Jets would have a superbowl ring even if they don't reach the game, and Jake Long would be playing right tackle.

Take anything said this week with a grain of salt. The pressure is building and NFL teams are doing everything possible to put themselves in the best position to get who they want. Keep in mind, Michael Lombardi said Mallett would be gone before 20, and probably in the top 10.

Btw, did you also consider Phillip Rivers a cancer? The media used to blast him left and right. His teammates couldnt figure it out. His coaches couldnt figure it out. Then he goes and plays through the playoffs with torn ligaments and suddenly "experts" consider him one of the best leaders in football. Sound familiar? The media is fickle for a reason: because they know people are ill-informed and love jumping to conclusions.

MadDog 88
04-20-2011, 11:49 PM
Wasn't there a lot of insiders at ESPN declaring Clausen as a top 10 pick?

Fin_Frenzy_84
04-20-2011, 11:53 PM
I honestly have no clue about this draft... I dont know who we are gonna get or what we will do or when Mallet will go or who will go number 1... No one knows... I do have some ideas but there not set in stone.

Roman529
04-20-2011, 11:56 PM
I am sure John Clayton would have taken Dan Marino in Round Three as well.

justdev7
04-21-2011, 04:42 AM
I've been transported to bizzaro world. Andy dalton is a first round prospect and mallet is a 3rd rounder. Whatever

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OrlandoFin
04-21-2011, 08:07 AM
I think you may be exaggerating just a tad don't you? Throws off balance more than he does balanced? I have watched film and will agree that he does seem to throw off balanced a bit and does tend to throw across his body more than I would like. But his great arm gives him the ability to get away with those things and still get his passes on target. Throwing across your body and still hitting your mark isn't a matter of competition, doesn't matter if Revis is out there, hitting your receiver is hitting your receiver. If you want to say the quality of DBs isn't as good fine I'll give you that but he hasn't exactly been throwing to Brandon Marshall in college either.

A statue in the pocket? Really? I mean honestly? Come on now, just because a guy isn't Mike Vick, or even Big Ben doesn't mean he is a statue. Mallet could work on his footwork I won't dispute that, but plenty of guys without quicks manage to be very successful in this league with nothing more than an extra step away from the pressure to buy an extra second or two. See: Tom Brady, or Peyton Manning. Neither is much of a running threat but both have good internal clocks as to how long the ball should be in their hands, and when to bail out because of the coming rush.

I'm a Mallet guy I'll admit it but you won't see me saying Mallet is the next Brady, or Marino. So let's just keep the exaggerations to a minimum gentlemen I believe our conversations will be better and more intelligent for it.


Gotcha, sorry my intelligence level isn't up to par for you. All this is a matter of opinion, and the sooner you and all the Mallett fan realize this then we can truly have intelligent conversations. Just as you are a fan of his, I am not. Not only for the things I have mentioned but his lack of leadership, drinking/partying issues, and his lack of athletic ability. Yes those are rumors, well maybe not all since he was arrested for public intoxication, but who knows, maybe that was a rumor as well. Where there is smoke there is fire and there sure as heck been a lot of smoke signals about Mallett.

A strong arm does not a QB make. If Miami drafts him then I will root for him and hope and pray he becomes a HOF QB, but I personally want no part of him because I see him more of a Dan McGwire than I do a Dan Marino.

RockyMtnPhinfan
04-21-2011, 08:58 AM
Honestly the most statue-like QB i have seen is Gabbert. There are plays where he take a shotgun snap and you see him just stand FLAT FOOTED and stands there for a couple of seconds waiting for his WR to get open, then he snaps the ball out of his hands. There is a couple of seconds there where he seems motionless. I don't feel Mallett is a statue in the pocket. I think he shuffles left and right very quickly and avoids pressure pretty well.
Draft Mallett at 15!

Mallett isn't the only QB that i think will succeed though.....depending on the scenario (trading back or what not)
Mallett >>> Ponder >>> Dalton are my favorites, in that order.

Mallett (system, arm strength, and leadership-DJ Williams enjoyed his leadership and said so several times)
Ponder (system, accuracy, ability to escape)

Of these two i really think they both have great play action fakes and understand the details of the job and what it takes to become successful.

Dalton (very intelligent, record speaks for itself, accurate on short and mid length routes, seems very coachable- 100 plays digested and regurgitated 2 days later to our staff and aced it)

I would not be upset if we got any of these guys.

Heisman34
04-21-2011, 09:56 AM
I have been listening to ESPN radio all day. Every draft "expert" now believes Mallett will fall to the 2nd round and Clayton says don't be surprised if he falls to the 3rd. Do you really still want him at 15? I have said for months and months now. He is Ryan Leaf 2.0. I pass on him at 15. If we trade down and get back into the 2nd maybe I'll take the risk there.

Without even looking back at your previous post on you saying Mallet is the next Leaf. Saying that you've been saying it for the last couple months. I'm gonna call Bullsh#t on that one. Seems like since Brian Billick said it earlier this month everyone has been saying it and were saying it for the last couple months...

Phinatic8u
04-21-2011, 10:05 AM
Gotcha, sorry my intelligence level isn't up to par for you. All this is a matter of opinion, and the sooner you and all the Mallett fan realize this then we can truly have intelligent conversations. Just as you are a fan of his, I am not. Not only for the things I have mentioned but his lack of leadership, drinking/partying issues, and his lack of athletic ability. Yes those are rumors, well maybe not all since he was arrested for public intoxication, but who knows, maybe that was a rumor as well. Where there is smoke there is fire and there sure as heck been a lot of smoke signals about Mallett.

A strong arm does not a QB make. If Miami drafts him then I will root for him and hope and pray he becomes a HOF QB, but I personally want no part of him because I see him more of a Dan McGwire than I do a Dan Marino.

Well nobody can comment on lack of leadership UNLESS you yourself have played with him or watched every Arkansas game.

A college kid is gonna party & drink, ALL OF EM, & he got arrested while walking, not serious enough to turn away me or even teams,

Alot of NFL QBs have a lack of athletic mobility. Besides a handful, whats your point?

etsudolfan
04-21-2011, 10:57 AM
take Mallett at 15 if he is there...if not...try to trade back a few spots, take Pouncy, Ingram, or maybe even Ponder depending on which picks we would get

Aqua and Orange
04-21-2011, 10:59 AM
Peter King has us taking Andy Dalton at 15. I think that is all the proof you need that being a good sports journalist means nothing when regarding scouting and predicting draft worth.

ckparrothead
04-21-2011, 11:23 AM
Gotcha, sorry my intelligence level isn't up to par for you. All this is a matter of opinion, and the sooner you and all the Mallett fan realize this then we can truly have intelligent conversations. Just as you are a fan of his, I am not. Not only for the things I have mentioned but his lack of leadership, drinking/partying issues, and his lack of athletic ability. Yes those are rumors, well maybe not all since he was arrested for public intoxication, but who knows, maybe that was a rumor as well. Where there is smoke there is fire and there sure as heck been a lot of smoke signals about Mallett.

A strong arm does not a QB make. If Miami drafts him then I will root for him and hope and pray he becomes a HOF QB, but I personally want no part of him because I see him more of a Dan McGwire than I do a Dan Marino.

Watched a lot of tape of Dan McGwire, have ya?

ckparrothead
04-21-2011, 11:24 AM
Honestly the most statue-like QB i have seen is Gabbert. There are plays where he take a shotgun snap and you see him just stand FLAT FOOTED and stands there for a couple of seconds waiting for his WR to get open, then he snaps the ball out of his hands. There is a couple of seconds there where he seems motionless. I don't feel Mallett is a statue in the pocket. I think he shuffles left and right very quickly and avoids pressure pretty well.
Draft Mallett at 15!

Mallett isn't the only QB that i think will succeed though.....depending on the scenario (trading back or what not)
Mallett >>> Ponder >>> Dalton are my favorites, in that order.

Mallett (system, arm strength, and leadership-DJ Williams enjoyed his leadership and said so several times)
Ponder (system, accuracy, ability to escape)

Of these two i really think they both have great play action fakes and understand the details of the job and what it takes to become successful.

Dalton (very intelligent, record speaks for itself, accurate on short and mid length routes, seems very coachable- 100 plays digested and regurgitated 2 days later to our staff and aced it)

I would not be upset if we got any of these guys.

That's the system in Missouri. I've seen breakouts of Pinkel's target percentages and a certain percentage of his plays are shotgun what they call "rock back and throw". It's not a drop back, it's a rock back, which means you barely move your feet. Ponder did that at times as well.

OrlandoFin
04-21-2011, 11:50 AM
Watched a lot of tape of Dan McGwire, have ya?

Enough to see he was a joke...

OrlandoFin
04-21-2011, 11:55 AM
Well nobody can comment on lack of leadership UNLESS you yourself have played with him or watched every Arkansas game.

A college kid is gonna party & drink, ALL OF EM, & he got arrested while walking, not serious enough to turn away me or even teams,

Alot of NFL QBs have a lack of athletic mobility. Besides a handful, whats your point?

I don't like him as an NFL QB. We all have opinions on him and all players to say one's is better than the other is the issue. No one knows how he's going to turn out. For his sake I hope all the things I don't like about him come out differently and the kids turns out to be a great NFL QB no matter what team he plays for, I just don't like him for Miami. No point...what's yours?

ckparrothead
04-21-2011, 11:59 AM
Enough to see he was a joke...

What was Dan McGwire's throwing motion like? High? Low? Hitchy? Pushed? How was his footwork? Long strider? Short strider? Weak arm? Strong arm? Good spin on the ball? Or did it flutter? Do tell.

OrlandoFin
04-21-2011, 12:57 PM
What was Dan McGwire's throwing motion like? High? Low? Hitchy? Pushed? How was his footwork? Long strider? Short strider? Weak arm? Strong arm? Good spin on the ball? Or did it flutter? Do tell.

CK, not sure why you are pushing this but ok. His throwing motion was actually a little 3/4. Very similar to Rivers. His footwork was actually better than Mallett's but Mallett's arm is much better. Sorry I don't have the time to watch hundred's of hours of tape like you do so I will let you stick to the expertise of it all. Once again, it's all opinions and like a**holes, we all have them...

MarSly
04-21-2011, 02:30 PM
Mallet will eventually lose that ghetto white kid voice once he becomes a star hopefully on the Dolphins.

sn9ke.eyes
04-21-2011, 02:47 PM
Good lord, the projections on this kid are all over the place. All this is super weird. I bet there are more than a few teams highly interested in drafting this kid and they are just fighting to see who can get him at the rock bottom price (lowest draft pick). They see an easy opportunity with him because of a few trangression early in his college career and they can try and steer opinion on him and drive down the price.

Next Thursday evening is going to be very interesting. Then of course if Cincy takes him at #4 all these shenannigans are for naught.:lol:

I agree with you. My best guess is that one or more teams have thoroughly looked over the QB prospects and decided that Mallet is the guy they like and are now attempting to drive down his price. It's easy to do because there were already the rumors about him.

BostonPhin4
04-21-2011, 02:53 PM
Gotcha, sorry my intelligence level isn't up to par for you. All this is a matter of opinion, and the sooner you and all the Mallett fan realize this then we can truly have intelligent conversations. Just as you are a fan of his, I am not. Not only for the things I have mentioned but his lack of leadership, drinking/partying issues, and his lack of athletic ability. Yes those are rumors, well maybe not all since he was arrested for public intoxication, but who knows, maybe that was a rumor as well. Where there is smoke there is fire and there sure as heck been a lot of smoke signals about Mallett.

A strong arm does not a QB make. If Miami drafts him then I will root for him and hope and pray he becomes a HOF QB, but I personally want no part of him because I see him more of a Dan McGwire than I do a Dan Marino.

My friend I am in no way trying to take a dig at anyone's intelligence I was merely stating that the exaggerations on both the pro Mallet and against Mallet sides are getting ridiculous. You have half this board claiming he is the next Marino, and the other half claiming he is Ryan Leaf 2.0.

I did not mean any disrespect and apologize if it came off that way.

OrlandoFin
04-21-2011, 03:07 PM
My friend I am in no way trying to take a dig at anyone's intelligence I was merely stating that the exaggerations on both the pro Mallet and against Mallet sides are getting ridiculous. You have half this board claiming he is the next Marino, and the other half claiming he is Ryan Leaf 2.0.

I did not mean any disrespect and apologize if it came off that way.

No problem, sorry if I took it wrong. It is funny how passionate we all get over how we think the Dolphins can get to what we all want...LOL

SCOTTY
04-21-2011, 08:36 PM
Without even looking back at your previous post on you saying Mallet is the next Leaf. Saying that you've been saying it for the last couple months. I'm gonna call Bullsh#t on that one. Seems like since Brian Billick said it earlier this month everyone has been saying it and were saying it for the last couple months...

This one really pissed me off Heisman34. From now on you should think twice about coming on here and calling someone a liar. I posted in JANUARY:

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Thanked 102 Times in 59 PostsSeveral posters have told me the same thing. But I'm sticking to my guns. Mallett-character issues, accuracy issues, very bad mechanics, terrible footwork. All the guy has is a cannon arm. I see a Ryan Leaf type bust. Gabbert- played in a spread offense, barley took a snap under center. Has some accuracy issues. He is a big dude-not in the athletic way completely. I just don't see he taking a team and leading it. Only time will tell for these guys. But I'm not going to back down from my stance. I don't see any QB in this draft as "franchise" and actually see more busts than fans want to admit.